What Is Your View on Global Warming?

[Stealth Hunter]

I believe it exists and I believe that humans and environmental causes are to blame (50/50).

[Ironclad2]

If the American public hadn't been scare-mongered into hating nuclear power a few decades ago, it wouldn't be an issue.

[mcf1]

Well, we humans are to be blamed for a lot of things about the enviroment, but it is not everything our fault the enviroment has changed many times since its existance and probably it will continue to change untill it it no longer exists.

[MothBalls]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

[Rilder]

Its mid april and Its freaking cold outside. :lol:

Gods, how much pollutants do I have to throw into the atmosphere to get a proper spring tbh.

[NEON DEON]

Its mid april and Its freaking cold outside. :lol:

Gods, how much pollutants do I have to throw into the atmosphere to get a proper spring tbh.

Come to Los Angeles where it was 82 today 9 degrees hotter than average.

Tomorrow will hit 87 14 degrees above average.

brrrrr I am sooo cold.;)

[Letum]

If the American public hadn't been scare-mongered into hating nuclear power a few decades ago, it wouldn't be an issue.

Belive it or not, America is not the only country in the world that produces CO2.

[Monica Lewinsky]

:p bunch of b.s.

US of A is not a main cause of it with our cars. Look at former Soviet states and s/e Asia. The Earth is their dumping ground and they don't give a damn - China and the former Soviet states are the WORST- all they want to do is make $Money$, dumb the stuff, and move on.

The BIGGEST joke is hybrid car owners. They "think" they are saving the planet.

True, very true, they ARE saving the planet USING the hybrid car/vehicle for FUEL - only.

Where they have their butt blinders on [the tree huggers] is HOW the car was made - which destroys MORE than the fuel they SAVE over the lifetime of owning the car.

One example. You need to use the mineral called Nickel as a component to make the rechargeable battery. Largest source of Nickel is in an open pit mine in Canada. That ONE open pit mine has a reaction with the rain. It rains in Canada - some days :D . When it does rain, the chemical reaction of water and Nickel DESTROYS ALL VEGETATION FOREVER for a radius of 5-10 miles beyond the open pit mine perimeter. That is just ONE mine doing their "thing" causes hell for the planet Earth supporting do gooders thinking that they are doing something right.

Then you have to ship it [the Nickel] to China to process it - use of Oil for the ship to get it there- gotta send it FROM Canada to China - more waste and wrecking the enviroment. Once their slave labor is done "processing" it, more Oil is used to power another ship to send from China and send it to Japan to convert/use it as a rechargeable battery for use in the USA or elsewhere in a hybrid car.

Hybrid car owners are a laughing stock. They wreck MORE of the planet then save it just to make the rechargeable battery, alone.



everyone likes warm fuzzies.

It's like pissing in your pants with dark pants on, No One seems to notice, but it gives you a warm feeling all over... :D

[nikimcbee]

I'm sick of this eco-religion. Weather is dynamic and humans can adapt to change. End of subject. It is just another way to create a new tax.:shifty: I'm more worried about pollution.

[Monica Lewinsky]

I'm sick of this eco-religion.It is just another way to create a new tax.
More worries for you:
They might tax you going wee-wee, or worse yet, going #2 and you get taxed for just taking a dump, by the pound. That could be one hell of a pile of crap. :D

Why do I have a Jap Avatar? Do I have to make 25 more posts just to get rid of it?

[nikimcbee]

I'm sick of this eco-religion.It is just another way to create a new tax.
More worries for you:
They might tax you going wee-wee, or worse yet, going #2 and you get taxed for just taking a dump, by the pound. That could be one hell of a pile of crap. :D

Why do I have a Jap Avatar? Do I have to make 25 more posts just to get rid of it?

They already do: It's called my water bill:rotfl: :roll: :damn: .
...in addition to 25 more posts, you also need to swear allegence to algore, then you will have the PLAN sailor (Chinese) avatar:rotfl: :arrgh!:

[Monica Lewinsky]

They already do: It's called my water bill:rotfl: :roll: :damn: .
...in addition to 25 more posts, you also need to swear allegence to algore, then you will have the PLAN sailor (Chinese) avatar:rotfl: :arrgh!:
S.o.B. Stuck with it, egh - the avatar.?

I am like you, I too have a water bill. But, I have a sewer bill too, but have an odd situation.

My town does not have a sanitation district that is:
when you take a dump and flush it goes away but you $pay$ the water company to take a dump - kinda of - butt [no pun], I have a sewer district to deal with flushing said dump.

I $pay$ a neighboring sanitation district to take a dump ... BASED on the amount of gallons of water I INTAKE.

Seems ok if you take a dump. What is NOT fair, is the water I use outside to water the lawn or wash the car the water does NOT re-enter the sewer system and I should not be charged for it.

I got a DEDUCT meter installed in my house for the sewer bill. It deducts from the sewer bill the amount of water that goes out to the in-ground Sprinkler System or the outside faucits and I am not billed for that in my sewer bill.

After the $600 installation fee, it paid for itself within a year.

I can go outside, take a dump, hose it down, and it costs me nothing. Problem is the neighbors keep calling the cops. What's the problem? :D

Back to the topic:
[B]What effect on Global Warming? Feces material is HOT out of any oriface.

[nikimcbee]

They already do: It's called my water bill:rotfl: :roll: :damn: .
...in addition to 25 more posts, you also need to swear allegence to algore, then you will have the PLAN sailor (Chinese) avatar:rotfl: :arrgh!:
S.o.B. Stuck with it, egh - the avatar.?

I am like you, I too have a water bill. But, I have a sewer bill too, but have an odd situation.

My town does not have a sanitation district that is:
when you take a dump and flush it goes away but you $pay$ the water company to take a dump - kinda of - butt [no pun], I have a sewer district to deal with flushing said dump.

I $pay$ a neighboring sanitation district to take a dump ... BASED on the amount of gallons of water I INTAKE.

Seems ok if you take a dump. What is NOT fair, is the water I use outside to water the lawn or wash the car the water does NOT re-enter the sewer system and I should not be charged for it.

I got a DEDUCT meter installed in my house for the sewer bill. It deducts from the sewer bill the amount of water that goes out to the in-ground Sprinkler System or the outside faucits and I am not billed for that in my sewer bill.

After the $600 installation fee, it paid for itself within a year.

I can go outside, take a dump, hose it down, and it costs me nothing. Problem is the neighbors keep calling the cops. What's the problem? :D

Back to the topic:
[B]What effect on Global Warming? Feces material is HOT out of any oriface.


...sounds like you need a vacation:rotfl:

[Monica Lewinsky]

...sounds like you need a vacation:rotfl:
Nah, just want to take a dump with no hasslees [from you or my neighbors] and not be worried about Global Warming as an after EFFECT. :D

[CaptHawkeye]

It's happening and it's our fault. On the other hand, i'm no fan of the IPCC's reports on "zomg end of humanitz" and annoying fearmongering. I agree that our lives are going to get harder and that we have no one but ourselves to blame. But anytime some bunch of dudes pitches a wobbly and screams "end of the world as we know it" I just roll my eyes.

[STEED]

Global Warming = Green Taxes

Q.E.D :know:


I do not believe politicians as they feather there own pockets any way they can. Bring them to book not this green lie. :stare:

[Trex]

Ecology can be summed up in four simple rules:

Everything is connected to everything else.
It all has to go somewhere.
There’s no such thing as a free lunch.
You can only s*** in your nest so many times, then you are nesting in your s***.Of course six billion people are going to have an effect. Whether or not they are the only factor is immaterial. We are influencing our planet. That’s not Al Gore; that’s just scientific observation and common sense.

There have indeed been natural climate changes before. Yep. And some species lived through them.

Anything we can do to prevent or at least mitigate this process is most desirable. That doesn’t mean we cannot eat meat from methane-producing cows, drive automobiles or water our lawns. Yet. It does mean that we need to find better ways of meeting our needs, not just continue down the same path.

PS - Steed, your comments on politicians are just a bit too understated. Pity we cannot use the lot for mulch in an organic ginseng farm somewhere.

[Onkel Neal]

If the American public hadn't been scare-mongered into hating nuclear power a few decades ago, it wouldn't be an issue.
Belive it or not, America is not the only country in the world that produces CO2.

What do you mean "only country" ? Is there some others ? :D


:rotfl: Snappy comeback of the week :rotfl:

[bradclark1]

Its mid april and Its freaking cold outside. :lol:

Gods, how much pollutants do I have to throw into the atmosphere to get a proper spring tbh.
Move here. The grass is already growing, buds have been on the trees for a couple of weeks and I'm in a T-shirt.
Our average used to be snowfall and last frost around the 18th.

[antikristuseke]

In a T-shirt, so you mean that the temperature is slightly above the freezing point of water, thats when we sto pwearing warmer clothers here :88)

[NEON DEON]

If the American public hadn't been scare-mongered into hating nuclear power a few decades ago, it wouldn't be an issue.
Belive it or not, America is not the only country in the world that produces CO2.

What do you mean "only country" ? Is there some others ? :D


:rotfl: Snappy comeback of the week :rotfl:

Anwer is no.

There are at present 190 countries in the world.

The US of A produces 20 % of co 2 emissions.

China is predicted to catch the US by the end of the decade.

If we dont find a way to curb ourselves, how can we expect the rest of the world to go along with it? That goes double for The Chinese government. Afterall we are not exactly best buds.

Knee jerk reaction becuase the US sits atop the numbers people get defensive thinking not what to do about the situation but rather we are being blamed for something so lets focus on that instead of the problem.

GET OFF THE BLAME GAME and BOO HOO GAME and get back to the problem.

[Brag]

I wonder if the human species is not a virus attacking an otherwise healthy galactic cell? :hmm:

[Fish]

I wonder if the human species is not a virus attacking an otherwise healthy galactic cell? :hmm:

You could be right. :cool:

[XabbaRus]

Actually Monica, before 1991 about the USSR I'd agree with you.
After the collapse in terms of CO2 out put Russias plumeted due to the collapse and even though industry is recovereing I don't think they are anywhere near the levels they were.

[Letum]

20% ?!?!
Bleimey!
What are you guys doing over there?!

*Edit* ahh! sataistics! Perhaps misleading.
Perhaps a better way would be to measure Co2 per head, as opposed to per nation. How does that compare.

I wonder if the human species is not a virus attacking an otherwise healthy galactic cell? :hmm:

Only if you chose to define "healthy" in that way. Thats very much in the human-subjective view.

[antikristuseke]

I wonder if the human species is not a virus attacking an otherwise healthy galactic cell? :hmm:

I asked that question from my parents when i was in the second grade, only instead of virus used the word parasite.

[Trex]

I wonder if the human species is not a virus attacking an otherwise healthy galactic cell? :hmm:

Which would make ebola and the pest Gaia's antibodies...

[NEON DEON]

20% ?!?!
Bleimey!
What are you guys doing over there?!

*Edit* ahh! sataistics! Perhaps misleading.
Perhaps a better way would be to measure Co2 per head, as opposed to per nation. How does that compare.

If you did it per capita the USA would fall to tenth and China would be looking pretty good at 91st.

1. Qatar Pop. .9 mil total co2 .2%
2. Kuawait Pop. 3.3 mil
3. UAE Pop. 4.5 mil
4. Luxembourg Pop. .5 mil
5. Trinidad Pop. 1.3 mil
6. Brunei Pop. .4 mil
7. Baharain Pop. 1.0 mil
8. N. Antlls. Pop. .2 mil
9. Aruba. Pop. .1 mil
10. USA Pop. 303.8 mil total co2 20.0%


91. China. Pop. 1,321.8 mil total co2 18.4%

IE: China 2nd in output is 91st when done per capita!

I can see China spin that up big time.

[August]

I wonder if the human species is not a virus attacking an otherwise healthy galactic cell? :hmm:

I don't see such thinking as very productive.

[antikristuseke]

I wonder if the human species is not a virus attacking an otherwise healthy galactic cell? :hmm:

I don't see such thinking as very productive.

It could be used as a basis for productive thought.
For instance human beings seem to act sort of like a parasite, the kind of parasite that is aparently killing its host, while the rest of nature could be seen more as symbiotes. Now if one would look upon thins like that it could be reasoned that humanity needs to change to become a symbiote which would be productive.
Now the hard part from there is to find ways of doing that without reverting back to the stone age, which some nutcases might be happy do do.

[August]

Now the hard part from there is to find ways of doing that without reverting back to the stone age, which some nutcases might be happy do do.

Seems to me that's what calling our species a "virus" is more likely to encourage than anything constructive.

After all, what do you do with a virus? You don't modify it, you quarantine it, you attack it with drugs, you eradicate it, then you vaccinate against it to keep it from coming back. That is not exactly the kind of verbage i want to hear when we talk about the relationship of our species to our home world.

IMO, the human race only has one thing it needs to do in order to solve global warming, and that is to get it's population growth under control. As long as we continue to breed like rabbits any carbon saving, pollution control scheme we come up with is bound to fail.

[Stealth Hunter]

I wonder if the human species is not a virus attacking an otherwise healthy galactic cell? :hmm:

Yeah, we basically are. We cause more damage than good. We take; we do not give. We're a doomed and simple race flying through space in a solar system with several uninhabited planets on a sphere that's mostly made up of water that is stranded on an island of ignorance, cursed to remain as such throughout eternity on a cruise through infinity.

[The WosMan]

I believe that global warming is nothing but junk science used by a growing political community to rob and control wealth and redistribute it to another. Look no further then the Obama sponsored bill that would pledge $849 billion dollars to the UN over the next 10 years in the form of a carbon tax. The longer this goes on the more obvious the charade becomes. Earth's climate is a dynamic environment and if it is going to change, there isn't a thing we can do about it. It has been warm in the past, and it has been cold in the past. I don't think the dinosaurs were out driving SUVs when they were around but it is generally known that the planet was pretty darn hot at that time.

Historical Fact: The winter of 2008 in the USA gave us the most ice and snow since 1966. Many areas of China this winter had record snowfall. It snowed in Baghdad, Iraq for the first time in January 2008 in over 100 years. Three weeks ago I was cleaning over 2 feet of snow out of my driveway. The weather still sucks and it is April 13 and it is supposed to snow later on today.

Historical Fact 2: 1998 was the warmest year on record. Since then global temperatures have fallen.

Don't even get me started on greenhouse gasses and carbon dioxide. This whole carbon footprint scheme is another scam. Many businesses and insurance companies now offer these "offsets" which is a scam. Sure they will ease your guilty liberal conscience and take your money. They will then go plant a bunch of trees that they can cut down for paper and lumber 20 years from now.

There are real scientists and heliologists out there that are pointing to the obvious that the left is ignoring. For some time now these scientists have notice little if any solar activity and sun-spots. If this continues we may be entering a Maunder Minimum cycle. The last time this happened was from 1645-1715. This created a "little ice-age". If you check the historical records, none of us want to be around to experience something like this.

[antikristuseke]

Now the hard part from there is to find ways of doing that without reverting back to the stone age, which some nutcases might be happy do do.

Seems to me that's what calling our species a "virus" is more likely to encourage than anything constructive.

After all, what do you do with a virus? You don't modify it, you quarantine it, you attack it with drugs, you eradicate it, then you vaccinate against it to keep it from coming back. That is not exactly the kind of verbage i want to hear when we talk about the relationship of our species to our home world.

IMO, the human race only has one thing it needs to do in order to solve global warming, and that is to get it's population growth under control. As long as we continue to breed like rabbits any carbon saving, pollution control scheme we come up with is bound to fail.

Thats why i personaly prefer the term parasite, but is arguing semantics than anything else really.
As for solutions to the glogal climate change issue geting population growth under controll is only one part of the puzzle, a pretty large one at that, but there is need to find alternative energy sources to fossil fuels. Nuclear energy seems like an acceptable stop gap mesaure to me untill something better can be made practical.
But as I said (or at least tried to) coming up with general ideas is the easy part, finding practical solutions is the are where the real struggle is.

[bradclark1]

China is predicted to catch the US by the end of the decade.
Actually China surpassed us last year. They went on a coal fired power building binge so jumped ahead of schedule.

[The WosMan]

Yeah and that is crazy considering the Chinese have massive hydroelectric power plants all over the place capable of generating a lot of power. Is that Three Gorges Dam complete yet? I remember reading it is supposed to be capable of generating over 22,000 megawatts at full capacity :o

[NEON DEON]

Historical Fact 2: 1998 was the warmest year on record. Since then global temperatures have fallen.

I dont think so.


http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/140894main_BlueMarble_2005_warm.jpg 2005 was the warmest year since the late 1800s, according to NASA scientists. 1998, 2002 and 2003 and 2004 followed as the next four warmest years. Credit: NASA










http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/2005_warmest.html

The five hottest records all within the last 10 years.:sunny:

[TDK1044]

I've looked at a lot of evidence for Global warming, and I find it to be inconclusive.

The so called 'experts' can only really make judgements based on available records. That limits them to a couple of hundred years...if that. To judge the health of a planet that has been evolvong for millions of years based on a timeline of a couple of hundred years, would be like a Doctor assessing a patient based on a one minute examination out of a 70 year lifespan.

I certainly think that we should do more to lessen the amount of pollutants that we create, but I don't see a catastrophe around the corner. :D

[Trex]

The so called 'experts' can only really make judgements based on available records. That limits them to a couple of hundred years...if that.

Actually, there are quite a few ways of extrapolating medium-distant climate patterns. Just a couple of examples:

Tree growth rings are a pretty good indicator of how conditions were year by year for some thousands of years. Big rings indicate good conditions. Thin rings indicate poor growing conditions.

Air bubbles trapped in ancient ice give valuable clues as to air composition (eg the amount of CO2 in the air when the ice formed. In turn, this gives good data for computer models - not day by day, 1/10 of a degree info, but solid data on general conditions and trends.

Plus which, while there are certainly not scientific records kept, even during the dark ages,there were comments written down on cold spells, rainy spells, etc.

It's not entirely ouiji-board-and-tarot guesswork.

[TDK1044]

If you look at all of the available evidence in totality, you see a pattern where the planet can enter a given climatic condition for quite a few years. To make a judgement as to the condition of the planet while we are within a natural planetary climatic cycle (which may last longer than a human lifespan of 60 to 80 years) will give you inaccurate data. That's the mistake that a lot of these folks are making in my view. They mean well...they're just wrong. :D

[Trex]

You are not wrong about natural swings and trends. They are a reality.

Given that, the impact that 6,000,000,000 people make cannot be just ignored. Everything we produce, consume and do has an effect and - natural trends notwithstanding - there is every reason to believe that we as a species are making a potentially bad swing much worse.

We cannot do anything about the natural cycles, but we can reduce our own effect.

[TDK1044]

You are not wrong about natural swings and trends. They are a reality.

Given that, the impact that 6,000,000,000 people make cannot be just ignored. Everything we produce, consume and do has an effect and - natural trends notwithstanding - there is every reason to believe that we as a species are making a potentially bad swing much worse.

We cannot do anything about the natural cycles, but we can reduce our own effect.

Yep. I agree totally. :D

[ReallyDedPoet]

We cannot do anything about the natural cycles, but we can reduce our own effect.
Well said :yep: This only makes sense, we need to be much better Stewards of the land.


RDP

[bradclark1]

If you look at all of the available evidence in totality, you see a pattern where the planet can enter a given climatic condition for quite a few years. To make a judgement as to the condition of the planet while we are within a natural planetary climatic cycle (which may last longer than a human lifespan of 60 to 80 years) will give you inaccurate data. That's the mistake that a lot of these folks are making in my view. They mean well...they're just wrong. :D
But is the condition accelerating faster than other climactic changes in our history. You just see it as there's a climatic change and I get the impression you think we should wait till the end of the cycle to come to a decision. Exactly how would you determine when the cycle should be at an end? How would you determine if it's as should be or that something isn't right.
Nature is a complex system of balances. Any changes that nature takes, takes centuries to implement and natural adjustments made. When artificial changes imbalance nature there are going to be repercussions. We have imbalanced nature faster than the blink of an eye. The world is not a sponge that soaks up imbalances forever. It can filter as nature intended but if it can't filter fast enough there are going to be repercussions. There has to be. Thats what gets me is that people can't or won't seem to come to that simple conclusion.
Nature doesn't adjust to man. Man must adjust to nature.
Or to put it simply "You don't f#@k with mother nature. You'll loose".:)

Edit: Take water pollution for example. Everybody knows there is water pollution and the level is pretty bad. Everyone sees that. Yet we are doing the same thing to our atmosphere and people are under the assumption that the world can sluff off or soak up pollutants. What is the difference between the two? It's estimated that mankind has pumped 3% of the carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. If I gave you a glass of normal water and added 3% sewage to it would you drink it? Think fish can live in it? Before you drink it be aware that 15 micrograms per liter is the allowable pollution for drinking water.

[TDK1044]

To bradclark1, we see the data differently and we must therefore agree to differ.

[August]

It's estimated that mankind has pumped 3% of the carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. If I gave you a glass of normal water and added 3% sewage to it would you drink it? Think fish can live in it? Before you drink it be aware that 15 micrograms per liter is the allowable pollution for drinking water.

Carbon dioxide can't be considered sewage so imo your analogy isn't really valid Brad.
The world could run just fine without sewage, but without carbon dioxide we all die.

[antikristuseke]

Going to have to agree with August here, it is a silly analogy.

[Sea Demon]

Not to mention that the example above also assumes a static, unchanging environment within. It is total rubbish to compare the Earth's dynamic environment to a glass of water.

@TDK1044 - I agree with your assessments. One of the main ways of trying to promote the theory of increasing CO2 vs. sustained (potential thermal runaway) increasing temperatures has been to take a small sample of temperature data and identify the recent delta in temperature. The data sample is not complete at all considering that some newer weather data didn't actually agree with that model this past winter. The model showed something different than what we actually are seeing.

[Ducimus]

>>What is your view on global warming?


I beleive it exsists, and that we are accelerating its onset. Looking back at through history (according to the geological record), the earth goes through warm and cold cycles. A warming trend is most likely inevitable, but its onset is being accelerated by us.

Unseasonably cold weather , to my understanding, is acutally a sign of global warming. The polar ice melting, drifts down into the oceans currents (http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/education/kits/currents/05currents3.html), thereby cooling them. Its these currents that more or less regulate temperature iin various regions. Cool the currents, you get cooler weather as a result. If it wasnt for the retreating polar ice, id think it was all a load of crap too.

Generally speaking, i think most people choose to ignore, or deny global warming for one of two reasons. Firstly, the acknowledgement of global warming would require a huge change in lifestyles and infrastructures, which is not likely to happen as people are resistant to change (myself included). Secondly, by the time the effects of global warming are in full swing, most of us in this day and age will be long dead. With the general attitude probably being, "Doesnt effect me, so why should i care?"

[Trex]

Ducimus - Well said.

[bradclark1]

It's estimated that mankind has pumped 3% of the carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. If I gave you a glass of normal water and added 3% sewage to it would you drink it? Think fish can live in it? Before you drink it be aware that 15 micrograms per liter is the allowable pollution for drinking water.

Carbon dioxide can't be considered sewage so imo your analogy isn't really valid Brad.
The world could run just fine without sewage, but without carbon dioxide we all die.
Not really. Too much is a bad thing. If it makes you feel better change it to lead or arsenic or anything that isn't good for you. More or less what I'm trying to get across is if you put it in someones face so they can see it it makes an impact. Because your average person doesn't see too much Carbon Dioxide they don't recognize the hazard so they can't grasp it.

[bradclark1]

The model showed something different than what we actually are seeing.
When was the last time your weather man was wrong? I'll bet not too long ago so guesstimating the weather a year in advance is just that, a guess.

[bradclark1]

Not to mention that the example above also assumes a static, unchanging environment within. It is total rubbish to compare the Earth's dynamic environment to a glass of water.

Why is it rubbish? 3% is 3% I don't think the Carbon Dioxide changes measurably very much in a day, or a week, or a month. Because it rains today and is sunny tomorrow doesn't change anything. Variance from 2 1/2 to 3 1/2% slow it or speed it? Doesn't matter, it's still having an adverse effect. I'm willing to bet it's a slow steady rise.
Dynamic: Characterized by continuous change, activity, or progress

[Geno_Mariner]

I believe it's humans and environment's problem but a friend on DeviantArt pointed out that there is a natural cycle which I know is mentioned here. I agree we're simply accelerating it. I don't know if I make sense here, lol.
I once wanted to get a Hybrid car but that's ain't gonna happen at all (yes I did see the explanation about the Nickel thing and I agree, I did chemistry too). Though there is a car I saw on Beyond Tomorrow that has been made in Europe, that runs on air :o I think it's called CityCat or something but if it works well and comes to Australia, I'm definitely getting one :hmm:

[TDK1044]

I think the main problem with this issue is that people tend to come down on one side or the other and then only read and repeat the data that supports their view.

This is an issue where you really need to have the courage to read all of the available data on both sides of the argument and with an open mind. When you do that, you'll come to the conclusion that the answer here lies between the two polarizing views.

Clearly some level of global warming exists, and clearly to some degree that is part of our planet's natural evolutionary cycle that none of our scientists fully understand. Could we and should we do a lot more to help our environment? Absolutely. It's common sense. There are small things that we all can do on a daily basis that wouldn't compromise our lifestyle at all and would certainly help our climate.

Ordinary people are sometimes put off doing these things because it's usually the left wing eco warriors telling people what they should be doing in this area. That needs to change. People don't trust anything coming out of the mouths of extremists. You need to have credible spokesmen and women informing rather than bullying in order to effect change.

We also have to factor in political realities here. As an example, the reason we all still drive around in cars with antiquated combustion engines has nothing to do with available technology and everything to do with stability in the Middle east.

The reality is that if we all make small changes and give our children the education they need to continue to evolve environmentally friendly technologies, we'll be fine.

Al Gore's predictions of iminent climatic catastrophe are currently pure nonsense, but they could become reality within a century if we take the wrong course.

[bradclark1]

Al Gore's predictions of iminent climatic catastrophe are currently pure nonsense, but they could become reality within a century if we take the wrong course.
Why is it that anyone who's anti-GW automatically point to Al Gore when disclaiming GW? As far as time I'm not sure anyone can say for sure that it would be at this point or that point that it's irreversible but low and slow is the wrong answer.

[TDK1044]

Firstly, I'm not anti-GW...Just smart enough to be well read on both sides of this argument, as opposed to just reiterating one point of view while being ignorant of any other. As for Al Gore...he's always front and center on the pro GW position, to the point of making an inaccurate movie claiming to represent the truth on this issue.

[Trex]

the reason we all still drive around in cars with antiquated combustion engines has nothing to do with available technology and everything to do with stability in the Middle east.

Not sure about anybody else, but my driving a gas-burner has precious little to do with stability in the Middle East and everything to do with that's what is available to me at this time. When something else comes along that I can afford and that is better for the environment, my present one is Gone.

[TDK1044]

the reason we all still drive around in cars with antiquated combustion engines has nothing to do with available technology and everything to do with stability in the Middle east.

Not sure about anybody else, but my driving a gas-burner has precious little to do with stability in the Middle East and everything to do with that's what is available to me at this time. When something else comes along that I can afford and that is better for the environment, my present one is Gone.

The reason that your gas burner is the only technology available to you is entirely political and not technological.

[bradclark1]

Firstly, I'm not anti-GW...Just smart enough to be well read on both sides of this argument, as opposed to just reiterating one point of view while being ignorant of any other.
:lol: OK, I won't call you arrogant or anything. I will however point out something you might have missed. You only spout one viewpoint. The only difference between you and anybody else is the assumption that you are the only one who's read both sides. Not to mention supporting the wrong viewpoint so you must not be that well read. Try reading something other than Al Gore.

[Trex]

The reason that your gas burner is the only technology available to you is entirely political and not technological.
Well, everything ties into politics in one way or another. Unless however one posits a vast conspiracy, I suspect that the big reason is that there has not until very recently been a perceived need for anything but the petrol-fuelled internal combusion engine driven automobile. Now that those perceptions are changing, there is more and more research going towards alternatives. Some, to be sure, is impractical and some is simply undesirable if you look at the big picture (eg first-generation biofuels) but progress is being made, I think.

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I wonder if the guy who did the cartoon got his idea from this post:D