Tweeking the boat?

[Sandman_28054]

Now I presume we are all familiar with the "Delta Renown" trick.

In the Patrols_0 file, there is listed

SubType=1
SubVersion=0
SubName=U-51

I am currently in a Mark 7 (VII). (21/3/40 is the current date)

I see that during this time there is also a Mark 9B (IXB) available.

Is there a way to change this? Can this be tweeked?

Or should I just bide my time?

Thanks in advance.

[Brag]

Personnaly, I like to stay as historically accurate as the game will allow. Some people tweak their boats and the game. It's all in your preferences and what gives you the most satisfaction. :D

[Tessa]

If you wanna switch boats to test drive it or what not its easier all around to just add the renown needed and buy the boat ingame. Changing the configuration files directly can cause unpredictible behavior if you don't make all the necessary changes (which usually spans several files) in all the proper spots.

[Sandman_28054]

Personnaly, I like to stay as historically accurate as the game will allow. Some people tweak their boats and the game. It's all in your preferences and what gives you the most satisfaction. :D

Let me just say this and I'll not bother to post in this thread again.

You know, it is 2008 and not 1940.

The game was made to make money and to enjoy. Which apparently, it has quite successfully done.

"As historically accurate as the game will allow," lets pause and look at that for a second.

I guess you always play the game on "Realistic."

I guess you always play the game with the "Time compression" turned off.

I guess then, it takes you what, a week to span the distance between Kiel and Grid AN 35?

So "as historically accurate as the game will allow," I guess it takes you about a month or longer to play one patrol in "real time?"

Geez man, don't take this crap so seriously.

You know, for all they did in the game, they left out a bunch of stuff.

How about the men on those merchant ships?

How about the number of times the U-Boat would pull along side the floating survivors and machine gun those treading water? Are you keeping it "historically accurate?"

How about those who were intentionally left in the water to become "shark bait?"

I was with the United States Marines in Panama and Grenada. War is hell! There is nothing to be made "glorious" about it. Its always one buttheads desire to have thy brothers land. And who gets caught in these situations? Innocent people!!

You guys take this stuff way, way to serious.

I guess I'm the only one who sees this for what it is: A Game!

I'm outta here, sorry to have troubled you guys.

[Jimbuna]

No trouble....I'd have given a little help if you'd hung about long enough http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1817/thinkbigsw1yo4.gif

@Brag....that's one guy who won't be purchasing a copy of your book http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4030/winkbigid2zj6.gif

[Brag]

@Brag....that's one guy who won't be purchasing a copy of your book http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4030/winkbigid2zj6.gif

Jim, it breaks my heart :88)

[STEED]

Have 100,000 renown points on me. :D

Drinks for all. :()1:

[Platapus]

Wow Sandman, I think your comments were a bit harsh there.

Brag just gave his opinion but made it pretty clear that " Some people tweak their boats and the game. It's all in your preferences and what gives you the most satisfaction."

I don't think he was intending on insulting you. As a single player game, you can play at what ever level of reality/fantasy you like. Your choice.

I hope you enjoy the game.:up:

[Elmer Kosterman]

How about those who were intentionally left in the water to become "shark bait?"

Sharks, in the North Atlantic? Now that would be unrealistic. :nope:

But seriously, the discussion about realistic simulation vs. arcade game is an old one; it's also still interesting to me. But a few people take it too far. Sandman ended up being the only one teling others how to play the game here ("don't take this crap so seriously").

It's a credit to all those that developed the game that it can be adjusted to suit different tastes and like no other sparks the interest of its players in the historical context. Hats off!

Subject-change: there seems to be only one recorded instance of german submariners machine-gunning survivors of a torpedoed ship. But it makes me think, were there other instances nobody found out about because they were so thoroughly done?

[Sandman_28054]

Let me apologize to one and all.

I did not want to sound bad in my comments.

If you want to keep it "real" fine, God Bless you.

But my whole point was just missed or glossed over.

In the sub room, under the question mark, it clearly shows the Type 9b (IXB) as available in 1939. In the stock version, even with the 1.4 patch, it is not available in either Kiel, where I chose to depart from, or Wilhamshaven.

My current "war date" is March 1940. So why isn't it available and if it is, how can tweeking effect gameplay?

Also, just for reference sake, two moths ago I had the honor of doing the eulogy of my Brother-in-Laws father. He was in the Army in WWII but because he already had 4 other brothers stationed abroad, he was put to service loading the docks in New York. He relates several stories of sailors who had their boats shot out from under them and left to feed the sharks, or some who had survived because they played "dead" to save their own skins.

Just because it isn't "documented" does not mean it didn't occur.

I have an uncle who was present December 7th, 1941 at Pearl Harbor. He was transfered to the Europian Theater shorty before the Normandy invasion. He was also present when the Allied troops began to liberate the Concentration Camps, no, the Death Camps. Germany to this day still denies this happened. They still insist that it was faked by the Allied armies.

Ask my uncle if it was "faked."

He served in the U.S. Army from 1941 until 1961 when he retired after 20 years service, then re-inlisted in the U.S.M.C. and went to Vietnam. When in 1965 he left because the Army would allow them to return fire when they were fired upon.

In WWI, the Axis U-Boats were "required" to notify any merchant ships that they were to be boarded, inspected, and consequently raided, but they mostly allowed the crew to evacuate before sinking the ship. That soon was abanded.

The same process insued in WWII.

Just because it wasn't documented, does not mean it didn't happen.

Ask any soldier what happened during the war, any war, and they can tell you stories that are not recorded or "documented."

Sorry to have upset the balance here fellows.

[Jimbuna]

Right.....now that we're back on an even keel.

Apology accepted...Brag is an okay guy. Just don't tell him I said that.

If you stick around long enough I think you'll find this community to be very helpful and supportive.

Down to business:

It is a long time since I played stock, but what I can say categorically is that the Type IXB IS available from September 39 2nd Flotilla when using GWX2.0 (2.1 is currently in the making).

I believe most references to crews of vessels being attacked by sharks because of submarines lack of attention to their welfare 'post sinking' would be down to the Japanese (IJN)in the main........USS Indianapolis (CA-35) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Indianapolis_%28CA-35%29) being a noteworthy example.

My own father, 84 year old and still with us, served in the British Merchant Navy through both the Spanish Civil and Second World War. He has often spoken of some of the atrocities he witnessed during this period.

Your correct when you make reference to the fact that not everything was documented or recorded (not for public consumption anyway).

It was however, documented and recorded in the minds of those who sacrificed so much to ensure the world was a safer place for their offspring.

I sincerely hope the equilibrium has been restored. http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9026/wolfthumbsuprw5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

SINK EM ALL!! http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/9708/piratebf4.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Brag]

Good neutal bouyancy, Jimbuna :up:

[CptGrayWolf]

Wow! Who's the one taking this way too seriously!? :rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Good neutal bouyancy, Jimbuna :up:

Rgr that mate http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/9026/wolfthumbsuprw5.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Just popping off to sit my entrants exam for the UN ;)

[STEED]

Just popping off to sit my entrants exam for the UN ;)


That's the best joke I heard all day jim. :lol:

What a corker. :lol: :rotfl: :lol: :rotfl: :lol:

[Jimbuna]

Just popping off to sit my entrants exam for the UN ;)


That's the best joke I heard all day jim. :lol:

What a corker. :lol: :rotfl: :lol: :rotfl: :lol:

Behave yersel or I'll have a word with one of yer mates......Tony or Robert :p

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6747/3658ed6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Elmer Kosterman]

Hey, no worries. I agree with you, Sandman, that war ain't no picnic. Personally, I'd object conscientiously to serving in any war that wasn't for self-defense.

On the other hand, I really enjoy playing war games where the element of physical danger is taken out. I always have, I don't know why, and I'm not ashamed of it. War games might make some people violent in real life, but not me. And they're nothing new; look at wrestling, fencing, jousting, football, paintballing, or even chess. These games might have prepared people for war at one time, but they've lost that function now and remain popular because they are fun.

One more thing:

I have an uncle who ... was also present when the Allied troops began to liberate the Concentration Camps, no, the Death Camps. Germany to this day still denies this happened. They still insist that it was faked by the Allied armies.

I can tell after having lived in Germany 20 minutes away from Dachau for five years that no one here denies the existence of the concentration camps and what they were for. In fact, there's a flourishing interest in finding out who knew what, when (see Albert Speer). If anything, children are frustrated because too much emphasis is placed on the crimes of the 3rd Reich in school. Sadly, I believe there's more people here who secretly think the camps were a good thing than that they were faked (although still way under 5%). But anti-semitism isn't only in Germany to be found.

Have a nice day!
In Soviet Russia, holocaust denies YOU!

[Sandman_28054]

Well, after playing that round through, I finally decided to take a chance.

I started another round of playing. 7th Flotilla to start out of Kiel. After about 6-7 patrols, I was offered the chance to transfer to the 2nd Flotilla and the opportunity to get the IXB. now, I'm beginng to regret it.

No upgrades for a while, larger torpedo loads means longer patrols.

While I like the type IX's, the longer patrols in 1939 may not be worth it.

Wait and see.

[Jimbuna]

Give the IX a chance....at the very least it should up your tonnage scores http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[flag4]

flippin crikey !!

better not let on about my german grandfather and his part in the ..........


same **** different shovel...



many's a time i get funny :huh: looks from people when i tell them what kind of
'game' sh3 is and my party in it as a.....

[Sailor Steve]

Well, I'm the weirdo when it comes to patrols and boats. Ever since the SH1 days I run simultaneous careers out of each available base. I have a Type II, a Type VIIB and a Type IXB all running at the same time, and I jump from career to career to keep them current.

Just wait until I get to 1942!

[Tessa]

Well, after playing that round through, I finally decided to take a chance.

I started another round of playing. 7th Flotilla to start out of Kiel. After about 6-7 patrols, I was offered the chance to transfer to the 2nd Flotilla and the opportunity to get the IXB. now, I'm beginng to regret it.

No upgrades for a while, larger torpedo loads means longer patrols.

While I like the type IX's, the longer patrols in 1939 may not be worth it.

Wait and see.

If you haven't already, try using SH3 Commander. It give you a lot of really cool options and other items to configure that you can't do otherwise (as well as add new elements). I know using SHC that you can start in 1939 with a IXB, your start date is just at the end of September instead of the beginning.

Early in the war there's much less escorts with the convoys (sometimes none), if you can take them out you can decimate the convoy. After you exhaust all your internal stores surface and transfer the external while sniping away with the deck gun at merchants on the surface. Then submerge and empty the torpedos you have left. You can really rack up some massive tonnage with the IX's. Unless you get lucky and find convoys early the patrols as you mention, they can be long and tedious.

[Sandman_28054]

Well, after playing that round through, I finally decided to take a chance.

I started another round of playing. 7th Flotilla to start out of Kiel. After about 6-7 patrols, I was offered the chance to transfer to the 2nd Flotilla and the opportunity to get the IXB. now, I'm beginng to regret it.

No upgrades for a while, larger torpedo loads means longer patrols.

While I like the type IX's, the longer patrols in 1939 may not be worth it.

Wait and see.

If you haven't already, try using SH3 Commander. It give you a lot of really cool options and other items to configure that you can't do otherwise (as well as add new elements). I know using SHC that you can start in 1939 with a IXB, your start date is just at the end of September instead of the beginning.

Early in the war there's much less escorts with the convoys (sometimes none), if you can take them out you can decimate the convoy. After you exhaust all your internal stores surface and transfer the external while sniping away with the deck gun at merchants on the surface. Then submerge and empty the torpedos you have left. You can really rack up some massive tonnage with the IX's. Unless you get lucky and find convoys early the patrols as you mention, they can be long and tedious.

I'm also finding out the hard way that my computer does not like SH3 Commander.

I keep getting error reports, or the game simply starting and playing a couple of minutes and then the screen going blank with a message about send an error report to Microsoft.

[Jimbuna]

If the game is loading and playing before a CTD, it isn't the fault of SH3 Commander.

can you post what you have installed in the way of game version and mods installed ? http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/1817/thinkbigsw1yo4.gif