Argentina bringing back 1982 war huh?

[SUBMAN1]

I'm questioning Britain's ability to defend it this time around if Conflict does break out. I'm pretty sure they would lose since they have less capability than they did back then.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-04-03-voa28.cfm

-S

[TDK1044]

I remember the 1982 encounter well. My most vivid memory is of an intrepid reporter from one of the Networks asking a British Commando what his greatest fear is...to which he responded "An Officer with a map" :D

[Happy Times]

I'm questioning Britain's ability to defend it this time around if Conflict does break out. I'm pretty sure they would lose since they have less capability than they did back then.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-04-03-voa28.cfm

-S

I would say that the Argentians would loose again. Comparing Air Forces and Navys the Brits have nothing to fear.

[Dowly]

I remember the 1982 encounter well. My most vivid memory is of an intrepid reporter from one of the Networks asking a British Commando what his greatest fear is...to which he responded "An Officer with a map" :D

:rotfl::rotfl:

[Sonarman]

I think you are probably right about losing, our navy is very much diminished and our Merchant Navy to support operations is also much smaller than it was in '82

[SUBMAN1]

I think you are probably right about losing, our navy is very much diminished and our Merchant Navy to support operations is also much smaller than it was in '82So is the Argentines though too. SO its a toss up again. I don't even see the Mirages that the Argentines used to fly, but the Brits can't put up a carrier anymore either that I know of, so that may not even be an issue. ALl they would have to do is jump on a crusie ship and park troops in the Falklands, and I don't see how the Brits could do much about it? THey don't have a mobile airforce anymore that I know of.

-S

PS. NEver mind - THe Mirages are still flying - http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/argentina/index.html

Matter of fact, I am sure the UK would have trouble this time around.

[Happy Times]

I think you are probably right about losing, our navy is very much diminished and our Merchant Navy to support operations is also much smaller than it was in '82

Still no way.
You have 3 carriers! You can fly more Eurofighters and Tornados to RAF Mount Pleasant.
Your surface fleet and submarine force is much stronger and will own the Argentinians.
Have some faith, the Falklands is probably one of the top scenarios your Admiralty has planned.

[Roads88]

The Royal Navy still has its Subs. So much for the cruise ship.:rotfl:

[Tchocky]

Non-event. Not going to happen.
In the same way the Russo-Japanese War only happened once. When there's no need to distract, there is no distraction.

[SUBMAN1]

The Royal Navy still has its Subs. So much for the cruise ship.:rotfl:Try surprise. Cruise ship parks, Army walks off, Argentina conquered. Its already too late by the time the subs respond. And I see the Argentina Air Force has plenty of troop transport capability after the Falklands air defenses are shut down.

-S

[AVGWarhawk]

I remember that action and the Harrier jets doing their thing. I was in 10th grade.

[Happy Times]

The Royal Navy still has its Subs. So much for the cruise ship.:rotfl:Try surprise. Cruise ship parks, Army walks off, Argentina conquered. Its already too late by the time the subs respond. And I see the Argentina Air Force has plenty of troop transport capability after the Falklands air defenses are shut down.

-S

Unlikely suprise would be a success, that would be a total intelligence failure.
The Brits have Tornados and Marines placed there permanently, we dont know what else. They can fly in more troops and aircraft fast, im sure they have plans for this.

[August]

I'd like to think that given GBs support of our recent military actions we'd support them in a Falklands war redux. This time with a little more than sat imagery.

[Happy Times]

Btw, its the No. 1435 Flight RAF famous from Malta in WWII in Falklands.:up:

"The practice of naming the four-aircraft presence on the islands has also been maintained: they are called Faith, Hope and Charity, after the legendary three Gloster Gladiators that defended Malta, and Desperation. Desperation was added to the three traditional names when Phantom FGR2s entered service in the Falklands and the flight was revived in 1988. Faith, Hope and Charity fly operationally, with Desperation appropriately in reserve. On their retirement in 1992, one of the Phantoms was placed as the gate guardian at Mount Pleasant.

1435 Flight will receive the Eurofighter Typhoon by the end of 2007."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._1435_Flight_RAF

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QI-U3-9UO0w

RAF F3 Tornados; Charity and Faith heading for the runway at Mount Pleasant Airbase, Falkland Islands.

http://www.british-towns.net/offshore/falklands/1435_Flight_Tornado_F3/images/21.11%20Charity%20and%20Faith.JPG

[iambecomelife]

For those of you interested in flight sims, here is a link to an upcoming sim about the first (and hopefully the only) Falklands War:

http://www.thunder-works.com/forum.htm

It's by a smaller developer who has both British and Argentinians (sp) on the staff. They promise a detailed campaign mode and excellent graphics.

http://www.thunder-works.com/media/acmodels.jpg

http://www.thunder-works.com/media/frigate4.jpg

Pics courtesy of thunder-works.com

[Steel_Tomb]

We wouldn't be able to mount an amphibious operation full stop. Since the FA2 Sea Harriers were mothballed we only have ground attack variants of the Harrier which would be useless against even the most modest air threats. We don't have the required strength to mount an operation of any magnitude with forces spread so thinly across the world from the gulf to the med and the atlantic. Mount Pleasant is a gift wrapped present to the argies if they ever invade again. Before they only had the small strip that was bombed by the questionably successful blackbuck raids. If we had just used those small strips with harriers, we would be able to mount a good air defense. At the moment, if that airbase at mount pleasant falls they have a fully operational airbase in which they can bring in air assets like mirages and entandards with their remaining exocets. In 1982 we could get quite close to the islands because these fighters previously had to fly from the mainland and thus had a very short endurance on station making them less of a threat. Now they could possibly sink some major assets before we even get CLOSE to the islands. Unless the Royal Navy is bolstered with a lot of ships i.e. new carriers and amphibious assault vessels I can see the Falklands turning to Argentine hands within the next decade or so.

I recommend reading Commander "Sharkey" Wards book on the Falklands war, its a very good read and give an incite into how lucky we were in 1982. I don't think that luck would help us a second time around, it would seem that politicians don't learn from their mistakes!

[XabbaRus]

All it is is the regular Argentine PM's claim that it is theirs. they have to say it once in a while. However if the claims become more vocal and often then I think we may get the Carriers for sure. Also I'd bet they'd send the multi-role Typhoons down there.

If we didn't see them coming it would be a big fubar. I bet at any sign the Argies are coming we'd have a couple of SSNs ready to sink the invasion force.

Can't see it happening.

[Trex]

Tchocky has it right.

First, there is not a dictatorship in power desperately needing a distracting public opinion boost. (No Bush jokes, please.) Second, the first war was in large part caused by what was perceived to be apathy on the part of the UK, including the announcement of the imminent withdrawal of the last RN presence in the area. That misapprehension has, I think, been cleared up. Third, as has been noted, there's a bit more of a welcoming party there now than the 1982 token force and any invasion would not be quite the walkover that it was then.

This is for home consumption, the same way that Quebec in Canada refuses to acknowledge its non-ownership of Labrador. Done deal, everybody knows it, but it's comforting to reflect on past glories and what might have been. Come to think of it, is not one of Queen Elizabeth's titles 'Duchess of Normandy'?

[SUBMAN1]

Btw, its the No. 1435 Flight RAF famous from Malta in WWII in Falklands.:up:

"The practice of naming the four-aircraft presence on the islands has also been maintained: they are called Faith, Hope and Charity, after the legendary three Gloster Gladiators that defended Malta, and Desperation. Desperation was added to the three traditional names when Phantom FGR2s entered service in the Falklands and the flight was revived in 1988. Faith, Hope and Charity fly operationally, with Desperation appropriately in reserve. On their retirement in 1992, one of the Phantoms was placed as the gate guardian at Mount Pleasant.

1435 Flight will receive the Eurofighter Typhoon by the end of 2007."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._1435_Flight_RAF

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=QI-U3-9UO0w

RAF F3 Tornados; Charity and Faith heading for the runway at Mount Pleasant Airbase, Falkland Islands.

The Tonados would fall vistim to the Mirages pretty quickly, but the EF2000, not so much. The EF2000 should dominate.

-S

[Penelope_Grey]

From the tone of your posts SUBMAN1 I'm getting the distinct impression that its almost like want this to happen... serious question, if the UK and Argentina went to war, would you like it? Would that interest you and hold your attention?

Because the way you are speculating here its almost as though its a done deal that there is going to be a fight and already you are hedging your bets.

This may shock some of you "keyboard warriors" round here, but why not just let the Argentinians have the damn thing back if they want it. If they really nag, hey... just have a referendum with two choices and presto. Problem solved and nobody need fire a single bullet. Democracy in action! BAM!

[Happy Times]

HMS Ocean
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Ocean_(L12)

4 Bay class landing ship dock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_class_landing_ship_dock

2 Albion class landing platform dock
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion_class_landing_platform_dock

6 Point class sealift ship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_class

[SUBMAN1]

From the tone of your posts SUBMAN1 I'm getting the distinct impression that its almost like want this to happen... serious question, if the UK and Argentina went to war, would you like it? Would that interest you and hold your attention?

Because the way you are speculating here its almost as though its a done deal that there is going to be a fight and already you are hedging your bets.I'd watch the war, sure, but your words are kind of harsh. Having a bad day? I'll let it slide since that is probably the case.

-S

[Steel_Tomb]

From the tone of your posts SUBMAN1 I'm getting the distinct impression that its almost like want this to happen... serious question, if the UK and Argentina went to war, would you like it? Would that interest you and hold your attention?

Because the way you are speculating here its almost as though its a done deal that there is going to be a fight and already you are hedging your bets.

This may shock some of you "keyboard warriors" round here, but why not just let the Argentinians have the damn thing back if they want it. If they really nag, hey... just have a referendum with two choices and presto. Problem solved and nobody need fire a single bullet. Democracy in action! BAM!

Except for the fact of the British citizens down living in the Falkands, I doubt they want to leave. That was one of the main reasons, along with national pride we went back to take them back. I don't think people over here have the right to decide what happens to them, the Falkland's are ours, and no amount of Argie rhetoric is going to chance that.

[XabbaRus]

Actually subman I'd disagree with you on that. The Tornadoes have a much better A2A radar infact the Foxhunter radar is a very good A2A radar given that it has been upgraded and optimised for just that. They would intercept the Mirages way out and shoot them in the teeth before they get to visual range. Even then I'd bet on the RAF.

[SUBMAN1]

Actually subman I'd disagree with you on that. The Tornadoes have a much better A2A radar infact the Foxhunter radar is a very good A2A radar given that it has been upgraded and optimised for just that. They would intercept the Mirages way out and shoot them in the teeth before they get to visual range. Even then I'd bet on the RAF.I guess a good AMRAAM does the trick, no matter the aircraft firing it, so you are probably right.

-S

[Steel_Tomb]

Actually subman I'd disagree with you on that. The Tornadoes have a much better A2A radar infact the Foxhunter radar is a very good A2A radar given that it has been upgraded and optimised for just that. They would intercept the Mirages way out and shoot them in the teeth before they get to visual range. Even then I'd bet on the RAF.I guess a good AMRAAM does the trick, no matter the aircraft firing it, so you are probably right.

-S

Just hope they don't get into a BFM situation the F3 is pretty poor the Mirages would fly circles around them.

[Brag]

All it is is the regular Argentine PM's claim that it is theirs. they have to say it once in a while. However if the claims become more vocal and often then I think we may get the Carriers for sure. Also I'd bet they'd send the multi-role Typhoons down there.

If we didn't see them coming it would be a big fubar. I bet at any sign the Argies are coming we'd have a couple of SSNs ready to sink the invasion force.

Can't see it happening.

Yup, this is a routine claim Argentina makes on every aniversary of the war. They do the same at the UN on other dates.

[Penelope_Grey]

From the tone of your posts SUBMAN1 I'm getting the distinct impression that its almost like want this to happen... serious question, if the UK and Argentina went to war, would you like it? Would that interest you and hold your attention?

Because the way you are speculating here its almost as though its a done deal that there is going to be a fight and already you are hedging your bets.I'd watch the war, sure, but your words are kind of harsh. Having a bad day? I'll let it slide since that is probably the case.

-S
Ive actually been having a great day. I baked a sausage and egg pie earlier. Seriously, you ask any of the other Grey Wolves they will tell you that Christmas in my house I was the chief baker of things Christmassy! :D

At the end of the day... I ask a valid question of you the thread creator, nothing more. Following the original post by you, yourself and a few others here have sat and talked strategy, who has what, and what is good and what isn't and so forth. Rather than talking of how it could be avoided, no... straight to who has what planes and ships. If that doesn't read like people looking specifically for something to happen... I don't know what does.

I don't feel I was harsh at all. :yep: Maybe it was in as much my questions were directed at you only.

[FIREWALL]

If this war were to happen. NO CONTEST. i'll be eating fish&chips and washing it down with Guiness in Argentina within a month. :D

[Steel_Tomb]

I wouldn't worry about that Penelope, you know it's mostly a male forum, when it's not about breasts it's about war, eventually it will get back to breats :D

lol, its a vicious cycle ain't it! ;)

[SUBMAN1]

I wouldn't worry about that Penelope, you know it's mostly a male forum, when it's not about breasts it's about war, eventually it will get back to breats :DI couldn't say it any better myself! :D And I find this 'not talking' about a possible conflict, especially when there is a bit of sabre rattling going on, because it might make it happen type mentallity, is absurd! We are on a war based forum for gods sake! :D

Funny

-S

[Tchocky]

If this war were to happen. NO CONTEST. i'll be eating fish&chips and washing it down with Guiness in Argentina within a month. :D

Guinness, that most British of drinks ;)

[Happy Times]

Im sure it can get boring down there.:rotfl:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=HfIpBFEXXfk

[Trex]

Rather than talking of how it could be avoided, no... straight to who has what planes and ships.

Ms Wolf - In all honesty, you are probably a bit right, but keep in mind that this is SUBSIM, a site whose enthusiasts are interested in that end of things. If you wanted prevention, maybe there is a DIPLOMACYSIM site somewhere (only slightly joking) where the members consider a stiff diplomatic note exciting. Wrong audience, I guess.

BTW, the pie sounds yummy!

[AVGWarhawk]

Not side track the thread....the sausage and egg pie....recipe? :D

[JetSnake]

A huge oil field was recently discovered near the Falklands. Something in the size that could provide billions of barrels. My guess is it would be in the UKs interest to defend their discovery. And I would assume this is something the Argies would love to exploit since their economy is in shambles.

[SUBMAN1]

A huge oil field was recently discovered near the Falklands. Something in the size that could provide billions of barrels. My guess is it would be in the UKs interest to defend their discovery. And I would assume this is something the Argies would love to exploit since their economy is in shambles.Oh really? That makes more sense. The Argies have had their economy in shambles for some time too.

Usually, countries don't make statements like Argentina did without a goal in mind that involves action. THings may heat up soon I would guess.

-S

[Tchocky]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6571431.stm

I see the statement as something that every premier of Argentina has to rattle off at some point, every country has a few sacred cows.

[SUBMAN1]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6571431.stm

I see the statement as something that every premier of Argentina has to rattle off at some point, every country has a few sacred cows.That is because the will of the people will that Argentina do somethign about it at some point. Same problem with China and Taiwan. Things will heat up in both places at some time. It is unavoidable unless some mutually beneficial agreement can be reached. THe Falklands only way out of a future conflict may rest in sharing oil profits with Argentina now. ANy other way and Argentineans will feel angry and left out.

-S

[Trex]

ANy other way and Argentineans will feel angry and left out.
As they have for the past 180 years. I can hear their doctor from here: "Take 200 mg of Suckitup and call me in the morning."

Spain is still pissed about Gibralter. Ireland still wants the northern bits. And Japan is still fretting over the Kurils. The Afghan parliament has rejected the Duran Line and claims most of northern Pakistan. Spain and Morocco have got half a dozen territorial bunfights in the works. Canada and Denmark are bickering over Hans Island. The Yanks aren't happy about the boundary in the Juan de Fuca Strait (those damned aggressive Canadians again). You could fill a small library with details on disputed territories and most have not wound up smelling of cordite. Just because there is a dispute does not mean there is going to be a war.

Historically, those nations that started wars in recent times generally did not wind up profiting from them; with the exceptions of some utter whackos like Kim, that lesson has generally filtered down to the national level at least.

Moreover, land claims don't usually carry much weight in law centuries latter. Few nations would want them to, frankly. There are too many skeletons in just about everybody's closet.

The best option for the Falklands, I think, is for London to ask the UN to run a self-determination referendum with suffrage restricted to established residents. Make a big deal of it - international observers, full media coverage, the works. It's a no-brainer as to results and would make it much harder for some future Argentine govt to lay claim when the UN has formally nodded in Britain's direction.

[Kapitan]

We have 2 active carriers one is mothballed which means we can re activate invincible and that gives us one more carrier than in the first war, ocean could if they moved the goal keeper over possibly also carry harriers.

we have a large RFA with landing ships not to mention should war break out we have the QE2 and QM2 still and many other british flagged ships that we can use, the argentines are more scared of our nuclear submarines we have 7 trafalgars 2 swiftsures and 1 astute

we have enough DDG's to make one battle group which is enough and the type 23's which are a bit better than the type 22's we still got 4 of them as well and the ones mothballed, the FA2 is mothballed they would probably re activate them, they could send typhoons and tornadoes to the asension islands with a few tankers and then you got air denfence the type 45 would probably be there as well.

i still rekon we have a fairly good chance of winning down there even in the state we are in now.

[kiwi_2005]

I'm questioning Britain's ability to defend it this time around if Conflict does break out. I'm pretty sure they would lose since they have less capability than they did back then.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-04-03-voa28.cfm

-S

You been trying out some new beer Subman. Britain lose to Argentina:hmm: I doubt it very much, they maybe a bunch of pompus bartasds but they know how to fight & win. :)

[jumpy]

The president of Argentina has reasserted her country's claim to sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, on the 26th anniversary of the start of the war Argentina fought with Britain over the territory.
Damn politicians, why can't they keep their slack-jawed mouths shut for a change?
The Falklands belong to us British, or rather, the people who actually live there on a barren windswept lump of rock in the middle of nowhere, want to be British.
As it stands it would make little difference if the islands residents wanted to be Argentinian, fact of the matter is it's their choice who they are, not some junta nut-jobs or Whitehall fat-cats thousands of miles away.

I've wondered in the past what would have happened had the British not responded to the invasion back then; would the Argentinians have killed civilians there if they resisted the occupation? Come to that, were the positions reversed, would the British?
Rash speculation, I know, but landing expeditionary forces on foreign territory with the expectation that the country they belong to will do nothing, is just asking for a bloody nose or worse; and all for what, a boost to national pride? One more good war and an easy victory to ensure re-election? (now who does that sound like? :roll: )

One might have expected such foolish rhetoric as quoted above might have been quelled by the international embarrassment caused the last time round. I guess some people are too blind to let go of the past: a "colonial enclave in the 21st century." she called it, well there's no getting around such entrenched thinking as that.

But if that's the way they want it, well then President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, step up and take your best shot if you think you can. It had better be a good one because you won't get a second chance...








Huh, didn't think so.

[nikimcbee]

Just think of the DW scenarios you can make now.:hmm:

The UK should just sell them the Island if they want it so bad. I don't know how attached the UK is to the islands though.:roll:

[Janus]

Just think of the DW scenarios you can make now.:hmm: I've been thinking of Falklands/Malvinas Scenarios for DW since I own it. Unfortunately there aren't any.

[Steel_Tomb]

Just think of the DW scenarios you can make now.:hmm: I've been thinking of Falklands/Malvinas Scenarios for DW since I own it. Unfortunately there aren't any.

Yeah same here, shame you can't drive any brit subs.

[AkbarGulag]

Maybe they could have a game of Rugby over it :D

The arena would have to be in a third country, with a 50/50 split between Argentine and British supporters, so any pre or post match violence is not one sided.

No matter who wins, a war is sure to erupt after the '2008 Rugby Incident' and all the arm-chair warriors will have some sport also.

Seriously though. The future of the Islands is up to the inhabitants. Nationalist rhetoric from politicians we have all seen before, and if followed through, will cement an uncomprimising response from Britian.

[STEED]

Nuke Them. :D

[Steel_Tomb]

Nuke Them. :D

Subtle as always STEED lol. :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Marcantilan]

Argentine president only reasserted the claim to soverignty, but didn´t mention even a word about a future war.

In fact, she regretted the 1982 conflict in the speech (but saved the soldiers courage and the fallen memory)

So, don´t worry world, war isn´t an issue regarding the Malvinas / Falklands.

And about today´s capabilities of the Royal Navy and an hypothetical South Atlantic war, I recommend a Denise Hammick´s article, published in Jane´s Navy International, June 2007.

Lastly, FIREWALL, besides the war, I hate fish & chips (as everybody else outside the UK), but count me in for the Guiness.

[Steel_Tomb]

Blasphamy! Fish and chips is legendary lol, how can you not like it? :huh::rotfl:

[XabbaRus]

Lastly, FIREWALL, besides the war, I hate fish & chips (as everybody else outside the UK), but count me in for the Guiness.

Really? News to me. I know a lot of foreigners and they love fish and chips.

[mrbeast]

Actually I feel like some fish and chips right now..............shame all the chp shops are shut! :damn:

[diver]

Aussies love Fish & Chips.

[Marcantilan]

C´mon guys... there are, all over the world, many italian - french - chinese - thai - spanish - so on, so on - restaurants (even argentine steak houses), but not a such thing like a "UK restaurant".

That´s because the world dislikes fish & chips...

(not offense intended, this just an opinion about foods)

[Trex]

Marcantilan - It's not nice to pick on... other people. First they lost the naval race, then their Empire, then their taste buds. All they have left is fish and chips. Leave them their illusions. ;-)

[TheSatyr]

Give me fried halibut and some fries and I'm happy.

I went to London in 1978,what is with you British? You put peas on EVERYTHING!!!! First time in my my life that I had spaghetti with peas on it.

And do any of you Brits know if the "Great American Disaster" is still in business? They made some damn good burgers,but they were eating them with knives and forks...I was eating mine with my hands and they were looking at me like I was some kind of barbarian...lmao

[Sailor Steve]

I hate fish & chips (as everybody else outside the UK), but count me in for the Guiness.
Blasphamy! Fish and chips is legendary lol, how can you not like it?
First they lost the naval race, then their Empire, then their taste buds. All they have left is fish and chips. Leave them their illusions. ;-)
There we go. Just a few lines taken out of context, and we have a pretext for the next war!:rock:

[Zayphod]

If this war were to happen. NO CONTEST. i'll be eating fish&chips and washing it down with Guiness in Argentina within a month. :D


This is going to be the main plot of Silent Hunter VI, right?

[Trex]

What I do not understand is why there are so many people apparently so keen to see a war between Argentina and the UK. There are so many other places in the world in such desperate need of curetting.

[XabbaRus]

Then you need to go and find the myriad of British pubs around the world that seve British pub grub including Fish and chips.

There was a popular British Fish n' Chip restaurant in Moscow before the Mafia shut it down.

[mr chris]

All talking about the Navy and the Air force are Ok.

But it is Boots on the ground that would be needed to win any war. All that matters how you get them boots there (Navy) and how you defend them (RAF).

Also what boots would be able to sent there.?
The army is already very stretched due to it deployments to Afganhistian and Iraq.

As August posted on the the first page of this thread i hope also that the USA would help out with more than Sat Imagery should any war come about.
the buddy buddy system and all.;)

[Steel_Tomb]

Thats the point with the Navy and Armies current commitments in Afghanistan and Iraq I don't think we have the resources avaliable to tackle and invasion of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas. Really the Argentinian junta has never had such an opportunity before, the Royal Navy is weeker than it was in 1982 and the armed forces are streched to their absolute limit. Senior chiefs said themselves that there were no reserves for any sudden crisis, at home in the UK or abroad. All units that are in the UK are resting, everything else is deployed or in the process of being deployed to over sea operations!

[mr chris]

Well the is only one choice then.
Spend more on Forces and spend more on recruiting people.
We need to building up are armed forces NOT reducing funding and cutting numbers.

[Kapitan]

I think maybe we should go down there and finnish this argument off once and for all, one single all out ballte no help argentina v britain one on one and lets see the out come.

Im placing my bets on the UK.

[Marcantilan]

I think maybe we should go down there and finnish this argument off once and for all, one single all out ballte no help argentina v britain one on one and lets see the out come.

Im placing my bets on the UK.

Are you thinking in a Rocky Balboa vs. Ivan Drago scenario?

[Happy Times]

Thats the point with the Navy and Armies current commitments in Afghanistan and Iraq I don't think we have the resources avaliable to tackle and invasion of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas. Really the Argentinian junta has never had such an opportunity before, the Royal Navy is weeker than it was in 1982 and the armed forces are streched to their absolute limit. Senior chiefs said themselves that there were no reserves for any sudden crisis, at home in the UK or abroad. All units that are in the UK are resting, everything else is deployed or in the process of being deployed to over sea operations!

There is no junta in Argentina anymore, its a democracy.
The majority of Navy and RAF are free for debloyment. Your Army of 100.000 has some 15.000 troops overseas, im sure there are no troops on rest if someone attacks your territory. This scenario is unlikely but if it would come true the British would dominate Sea-Air-Land, period.
The Argentians had a better chance in -82, with little better planning, preparation and leadership they would have won.

[Janus]

There is no junta in Argentina anymore, its a democracy.
The majority of Navy and RAF are free for debloyment. Your Army of 100.000 has some 15.000 troops overseas, im sure there are no troops on rest if someone attacks your territory. This scenario is unlikely but if it would come true the British would dominate Sea-Air-Land, period.
The Argentians had a better chance in -82, with little better planning, preparation and leadership they would have won. Actually the regaining of the Malvinas was well planned but started early. Argentina originally wanted to start the operation in September '82 or something because the current conscripts would be more experienced by then and the weather would be more favourable. Furthermore the troops that would have been most suitable to fight in the Malvinas/Falklands terrain were left at the continent to defend against Chile in the southern Andes. I believe Argentina would have had a better chance in the Falklands (ground) war if these mountain troops could or would have been deployed to the islands.

[Steel_Tomb]

Thats the point with the Navy and Armies current commitments in Afghanistan and Iraq I don't think we have the resources avaliable to tackle and invasion of the Falkland Islands/Malvinas. Really the Argentinian junta has never had such an opportunity before, the Royal Navy is weeker than it was in 1982 and the armed forces are streched to their absolute limit. Senior chiefs said themselves that there were no reserves for any sudden crisis, at home in the UK or abroad. All units that are in the UK are resting, everything else is deployed or in the process of being deployed to over sea operations!
There is no junta in Argentina anymore, its a democracy.
The majority of Navy and RAF are free for debloyment. Your Army of 100.000 has some 15.000 troops overseas, im sure there are no troops on rest if someone attacks your territory. This scenario is unlikely but if it would come true the British would dominate Sea-Air-Land, period.
The Argentians had a better chance in -82, with little better planning, preparation and leadership they would have won.

I stand corrected on the government then. Nothing is ever certain in war, period. You can never be sure that you will win, by doing so you underestimate your foe. That leads to carelessness and unecessary losses, or worse!

[STEED]

Nuke Them. :D

Subtle as always STEED lol. :rotfl: :rotfl:

Yep lets get nuking. :D :up: :rock:

[Jimbuna]

Nuke Them. :D

Subtle as always STEED lol. :rotfl:

Yep lets get nuking. :D :up: :rock:

Trust you :lol:


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[Marcantilan]

who is going to be nuked??

don´t kill me just because I hate fish & chips...

[STEED]

Nuke Them. :D

Subtle as always STEED lol. :rotfl:

Yep lets get nuking. :D :up: :rock:

Trust you :lol:


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I know I'm being sarcastic.

Lighten up people it's not all doom and gloom.

[Jimbuna]

who is going to be nuked??

don´t kill me just because I hate fish & chips...

I don't think STEED would advocate something as serious as a nuclear strike just because you didn't like fish & chips :nope:

He's not that bad you know.....I reckon he'd advocate something much less destructive or severe....simple castration perhaps :hmm:

:lol:

[Steel_Tomb]

who is going to be nuked??

don´t kill me just because I hate fish & chips...
I don't think STEED would advocate something as serious as a nuclear strike just because you didn't like fish & chips :nope:

He's not that bad you know.....I reckon he'd advocate something much less destructive or severe....simple castration perhaps :hmm:

:lol:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Next on the list, France, for "dissing" the English fry up!

[Hellfire69]

thier is an army airport now so thier is no way the argies could ever retake the falklands ps we have surface to air missiles all othe the falklands i would know im posted thier

[Jimbuna]

Wow....you've waited all this time to be posted over at the penguin breeding colony before you could dig this old one up :hmmm:

I'm impressed :yeah:

[OneToughHerring]

Isn't the whole place kind of expensive to maintain? I mean what does the UK really get out of it besides seagull/penguin droppings?

[Kapitan]

Untapped oil reserves out in the bays so a recent discovery found.

[Jimbuna]

Untapped oil reserves out in the bays so a recent discovery found.

Exactly...and the same reason everyone is laying claim to arctic areas by erecting camps...the fear that someone else will get whatever is yet to be discovered below the surface.

[Steel_Tomb]

Wow... talk about thread necromancy lol... I'd forgotten about this completely.


Back on topic... about the fish & chips lol :rotfl2::salute:

[goldorak]

Yeah same here, shame you can't drive any brit subs.

Sure you can, install the DWX mod and take the Trafalgar or Trenchant for a spin. :D

[Sailor Steve]

Wow... talk about thread necromancy lol... I'd forgotten about this completely.
:o Same here! I started reading the first page to see what was happening, then I saw the posts by Subman and Penny and said "Wait...what?"

I guess that's one of the wonders of the web - you can pick up a two-year-old thread like it was yesterday.

[Jimbuna]

:o Same here! I started reading the first page to see what was happening, then I saw the posts by Subman and Penny and said "Wait...what?"

I guess that's one of the wonders of the web - you can pick up a two-year-old thread like it was yesterday.

As pointed out in #78 :DL

[Sailor Steve]

As pointed out in #78 :DL
I caught that when I finally got to it. I saw you posted it first - I was just commenting on the absurdity of it all.:sunny:

[Jimbuna]

I caught that when I finally got to it. I saw you posted it first - I was just commenting on the absurdity of it all.:sunny:

'Absurdity' be my middle name :doh:

:DL