Raw color sub footage

[Syxx_Killer]

I don't know if this has been posted before or not. If it has I apologize. Anyway, I came across this accidentally while searching for something else. There are six videos. I haven't watched them all yet, just the first one, but it was quite interesting to see.

http://www.realmilitaryflix.com/public/794.cfm

[AVGWarhawk]

I have not seen these. They are great. I love the second film were Bowfin looks to have all four diesels rolling and doing 20 kts :rock: Thanks for posting. I will be exploring the other films. :D

[Syxx_Killer]

I guess I should have said there are five videos, not six. I don't know where I got six from. :oops:

[howler93]

Thanks Syxx! Seeing the boats in color is really a different experience! :up:

Howler :arrgh!:

[Mush Martin]

What a totally awesome site ...good find. :up:

lots of stuff

Maunsell seaforts
german italian mini subs
and a whole lot more.
M:up::up::up:

[Ducimus]

Awesome find! :up: Seeing these in color is really.. umm... rare?


EDIT: If your observant, theres a treasure trove of information here.
edit: For example, 0:14, of the 2nd film just showed what real engine exhaust looks like.
edit: Ohh and i was right to have a CPO in blue dungaries and an officers service cap. :D
edit: 3:59 of 2nd film.. theres that engine exhaust again.
edit: Shame we can't have kahki officer shorts like at the start of film 3. I'll bet that would have been worn while on patrol . On that note, i knew watch crew wore a baseball styled cap. That would hve been nice too.

edit: 3rd film, 1:38 through 1:45, check out the two officers there, espeically the 2nd one. Thats probably what their apperance really looked like while on patrol. kahki shorts, a little grungy, and the "i havent shaved in a week" stubble.

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes there is! I was busy looking at the draft, surfacing and submerging aspects. Swdw draft mod is about dead on. Surfacing is dead on. Submerging is very close. The sterns likes to go down first in the game were as the Skate/Bowfine submerge on a level keel. There is a lot of good footage on the website.

Note the half circle sight on the deck cannon. Could be modded in game!


BTW Duci, I did not edit your post...I hit the wrong button. :(

[Ducimus]

Ugh, i could watch these all morning.

Im gonna go fiddle with exhaust again and see what i can do with it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Ugh, i could watch these all morning.

Im gonna go fiddle with exhaust again and see what i can do with it.

I was thinking the same thing when Bowfin came by the camera on all 4 engines and diesel smoke coming out of the exhaust pipes.

[AVGWarhawk]

Need cool set of those aviator sunglasses. :D

[Blood_splat]

Didn't realize how large the dive planes were:up:

[tedhealy]

I like at roughly 4:30 in to the first movie, they are taking 'screenshots' of the sunset :D

[momo55]

Great find ! Thanks for posting this sir :rock:

[rrmelend]

Thanks for the link, now I just have to remember that I already finished teaching my unit on WW2 a couple weeks ago and that I am not supposed to show videos all day long.

[hawk2495]

its just awesome to see these old boats in their natural environment. speaking of envirronment, i see a lot of source material to help with PE2 updates or environment 4.... thnx for the links, im probably going to be watching these myself for quite a while to come.....

[Syxx_Killer]

I'm glad you guys liked the videos. Like I said, I stumbled across them while searching for something else about US subs. I was trying to find some info about the colors and stuff like when they went from black to gray and why. I tried Wikipedia (no help) and then Yahoo. Still haven't found what I'm looking for. The videos were an awesome side track, though. That site has even more videos. Haven't really looked at them yet, but will eventually.

[Ducimus]

Ugh, i could watch these all morning.

Im gonna go fiddle with exhaust again and see what i can do with it.

I was thinking the same thing when Bowfin came by the camera on all 4 engines and diesel smoke coming out of the exhaust pipes.

I got the existing two exhausts dialed in pretty well as of this morning. Im quite happy with them.

I don't think ill add another two. I dont think all 4 were active all the time. Two should be enough i think. maybe i should prototype a dat file with 4 exhausts and see what it looks like?

[AVGWarhawk]

For the most part they motored around on two. Looking forward to see it!


I looked at the other footage and it is quite impressive. Nice find really.

[bammac3]

Thanks for the heads up on this link. Very Enjoyable. Fired a B.A.R. last summer and it was very fun. But I wouldnt use the "high elbow" stance the second guy is using...The recoil wasnt that big of a deal, but Lord, that gun was heavy! His shoulder and neck muscles must be preserved for his vital day job!

I thought the footage of the amount and type of wreckage in the water in the prisoner taking shots was interesting. Wish I could DL these.

Bam

[seafarer]

Syxx_Killer - wonderful find. I take it that third vid - 1441C - is that the visit after Bowfin's 2nd patrol by Adm. Nimitz and Admiral Halsey presenting her Presidential Unit Citation? I can't think what else all the fanfare would be about.

[Nisgeis]

Nice find Syxx!

I don't think ill add another two. I dont think all 4 were active all the time. Two should be enough i think. maybe i should prototype a dat file with 4 exhausts and see what it looks like?

Four engines were in use during a surface attack, 3 engines would be used for hours to intercept or to get into a good position ahead of a convoy, two engines for normal and one engine for loitering about, or to get to a close position with plenty of time to spare (e.g. to take up lifeguard station).

I wonder what happened to the sound in the film, it's a shame it was seperated from the images.

Also, no one has mentioned it, but they appear to be shooting at mines in the sequences with the BAR.

[Syxx_Killer]

I wonder what happened to the sound in the film, it's a shame it was seperated from the images.

Also, no one has mentioned it, but they appear to be shooting at mines in the sequences with the BAR.

I know! I would have loved to have sound with the films. I was wishing I could have heard what they were saying.

Mines were what they were shooting at? I wondered what those were.

[AVGWarhawk]

Whatever they were shooting at was moving IMO. :o

[gimpy117]

I have not seen these. They are great. I love the second film were Bowfin looks to have all four diesels rolling and doing 20 kts :rock: Thanks for posting. I will be exploring the other films. :D

yeah she appears to be hualin ass....

[seafarer]

I highly doubt there was any sound recorded. Those look like stock old 8mm or 16mm color film - no sound unless you had a separate wire recorder and later put the two together in a studio. Sound on film was pretty hi-tech stuff, even in the 1940's (it had only been invented in the 1920's).

[Soundman]

These are great. As far the shooting goes, it seems they were kinda close to be shooting at mines. When I saw it I was wondering...it kinda looks like a snorkel on a sub. And,,I coudn't help but notice the flow of water out of the limber (not sure of the spelling here) holes appeared more in the rear of the boat as opposed to forward in some of the scenes.

[Nisgeis]

I highly doubt there was any sound recorded. Those look like stock old 8mm or 16mm color film - no sound unless you had a separate wire recorder and later put the two together in a studio. Sound on film was pretty hi-tech stuff, even in the 1940's (it had only been invented in the 1920's).

Lots of the clips look to be interviews of the crew. In one shot, the Japanese POW grabs hold of the microphone and talks into it. Also, a number of the slates have 'With sound' written on them.

[-Pv-]

I enjoyed the high speed runs on 1441B, the Japanese rescue from the flotsam of a sinking and the shots of bow action showing there was a lot of pitch even in mildly chopping sea and very little roll. The surfacing drill was also fun to watch.

"The sterns likes to go down first in the game"

I have not seen this in uncounted hundreds of hours of play in SH4. We can't be playing the same game. When I play the stern is still visible with a steep angle approaching 40ft depth. The crew will keep the boat mostly level until the ballast is flooded so propulsion can be maintained.

The U505 capture footage is some I haven't seen before. Not even on the U505 web site.
-Pv-

[seafarer]

I highly doubt there was any sound recorded. Those look like stock old 8mm or 16mm color film - no sound unless you had a separate wire recorder and later put the two together in a studio. Sound on film was pretty hi-tech stuff, even in the 1940's (it had only been invented in the 1920's).

Lots of the clips look to be interviews of the crew. In one shot, the Japanese POW grabs hold of the microphone and talks into it. Also, a number of the slates have 'With sound' written on them.

Right, and I'm betting that the sound was on a separate recorder, not on the film. Even most news reels of the period used separate recordings for film and sound, then put them together in later editing. I'd guess that like a lot of the footage in the TV series "World War Two in Color", the two pieces (film and tape) got separated long ago. The film by itself has no sound track.

[Nisgeis]

Right, and I'm betting that the sound was on a separate recorder, not on the film. Even most news reels of the period used separate recordings for film and sound, then put them together in later editing. I'd guess that like a lot of the footage in the TV series "World War Two in Color", the two pieces (film and tape) got separated long ago. The film by itself has no sound track.

I was only wondering out loud, where the sound that was recorded, whether onto a seperate optical recorder or a wire recorder, had ended up. Which dusty shelf is it on, will it be found and thought to be a sound only recording, will anyone realise it has a film part to it etcetera. I thought you were saying you doubted any sound was recorded, I must have misunderstood :damn: .

[-Pv-]

If it was tape, it probably crumbled into dust many years ago. Even 80's erra tape had a useful shelf live of only a year or two. Although old tapes can survive, it takes very careful restoration. Another factor is these were made at sea and proably highly contaminated despite being kept in metal boxes. Anyhting that wasn't converted to optical right away is probably gone.
-Pv-

[JoeCorrado]

Capture of German U-boat 505 in the WW II section.

[Orffen]

Great! Shame about the lack of sound though. :)

[LukeFF]

One thing I find interesting in Reel C, at about the 2:30 mark, is all the CPOs wearing dungarees instead of the khaki uniform. How common was this?

And another question: in Reel D (?) there are several scenes of what look to be officers not wearing collar insignia with their ties off as well. Was that another common practice?

[Nisgeis]

Mines were what they were shooting at? I wondered what those were.

Well, I'm not 100% sure, but here's two stills from the film, first one looks very round and it bobs up and down:

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/Nisgeis/MineStill1.jpg

And a second frame, where the mine is silhouetted against the white spout of a round exploding behind it. You can just about make out horns either side. Once you've seen the mine, you can see it bob up and down whilst they try and shoot it.

Some people say it looks like a periscope though.

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg307/Nisgeis/MineStill3.jpg

[Torpex752]

Most of what is coming out of exhaust is water mist/steam from the exhaust valve spray rings. Not smoke.

Frank

[Syxx_Killer]

Most of what is coming out of exhaust is water mist/steam from the exhaust valve spray rings. Not smoke.

Frank

I wondered if it was something else because diesel exhaust is usually black not white.

[Ducimus]

:hmm: well i changed it to white with a hint of black in my mod, but i think its too "poofy". Its kinda hard to control the behavior of it. Looks like im going back to the drawing board. .

[399nkov]

When the engines were first started, you would see a lot of dark/black smoke and then clear out as Torpex752 stated above. Just like a diesel truck engine when it starts or you give it the gas. Relates better to a train diesel engine.

The discharge is seawater and exhausts gases.

>>LukeFF: After leaving the pier, casual dress was the norm. Crew usually kept one set of dress uniform on board. Small lockers. Our officers didn't wear ties underway and for CPO's, some wore khaki and others wore dungarees, depended on how long at sea. Ran out of clean dress after a while. One time, everyone could and most did (with skippers permission), strip to skivvies when submerged due to A/C problems.

Collar Insignia, seems they always wore those, however, on a long patrol I could understand why they wouldn't always change from shirt to shirt. Probably had one set and the crew knew everyone.

[Torpex752]

Wearing collar devices while moving around a submarine is slightly hazzardous for the wearer and possibly a piece of equipment. I've gotten my neck/collar bone area gouged and ripped a collar while wearing mine, and I cant tell you how many times I've found the "frogs" in the bilge where the pump suction strainers are.

[Ducimus]

:roll:

http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/preview/new_exhaust.jpg

[Torps]

:roll:

http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/preview/new_exhaust.jpg

I been gone a few days all this killer stuff appears, I can see you have been inspired Ducimus, Let me guess Bow waves next??:up:

[Torps]

Helluva sunset/rise at 8:20 on 1441c.

[-Pv-]

I can surely understand why it was so tempting to shoot that sunset. It was worth preserving all these years.

My 1st impression was the mines where an excuse for some target practice.
Sure looks like it was mines to me.
-Pv-

[LobsterBoy]

Great find!!!

Were the large majority of fleet boats given a stern mount for the deck gun? And how common were the 40mm AA guns? Is there a source of the modifications to boats that can be referenced?

I immediately thought they were shooting at a mine. If it were something more sinister, like a periscope, they wouldn't be moving so slowly and taking shots with a BAR.

[LukeFF]

Were the large majority of fleet boats given a stern mount for the deck gun? And how common were the 40mm AA guns? Is there a source of the modifications to boats that can be referenced?

The pre-war fleet boats all had their deck gun mounted aft of the fairwater, and it wasn't until early 1942 that captains were allowed to move it to the forward position. Even so, deck guns would continue to be mounted aft of the fairwater all the way to war's end.

40 mm AA guns were first tried out on a couple of boats early in 1944 and then became more standard in the fall of the same year. Some boats had one, others two. Commanders had a lot of flexibility and choice when deciding what type of deck armament their sub was to carry into combat.

[Torpex752]

Very authentic looking Ducimus!! :up: :up: Nice Job!!