Cell phones more dangerous than smoking. Yes, no?

[Skybird]

I personally do note judge the risk increasinging or how strong link between brain tumors and cell phone radiation is, but that there is a link is something that I do believe since years. To hold an electromagnetic radiation transmitter close to your brain often and for long does not sound like a good idea in principle, does it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/mobile-phones-more-dangerous-than-smoking-or-asbestos-802602.html?r=RSS

Already in the early 90s, my mother was busy with collecting printed material showing the risks of transmission antennas on house roofs, because back then the house community of where my parents lived back then planned to allow a cell phone company to raise according antennas on their roof for a regular fee. It were Canadian and French studies, that much I remember, and they were so vincincing that even the most greedy people in the community decided to put theit health over the money, and the company's request was rejected without a single vote in their support.

The news is not really new at all, but it seems it is so unwelcomed that it gets successfully kept under the carpet since long.

[Sailor Steve]

Kids all through the 1950s and '60s held transistor radios to their heads, and seem to have survived. On the other hand, my cell phone time is very low, so I guess I don't have to worry as much. Unless, like smoking, it only takes once if you have the right genes.

[flakmonkey]

Ha, its complete bull, you get a higher dose of EM radiation from watching (CRT) tv for 1hour than you would from a lifetime of cell phone use.

Most of the hoo ha about cell phone radiation comes from the media. People hear the word radiation and immediatly think Chernobyl, the simple fact is the human race had been surrounded by natural electromagnmetic radiation for thousands of years and we have survived this long.

If you worried about every little thing you would end up as one of those nut jobs that wallpapers their home with tin-foil or wears a tin-foil hat to block EM signals:doh:

[Skybird]

Kids all through the 1950s and '60s held transistor radios to their heads, and seem to have survived. On the other hand, my cell phone time is very low, so I guess I don't have to worry as much. Unless, like smoking, it only takes once if you have the right genes.
Radios receive - they do not transmit. ;)

[Skybird]

Ha, its complete bull, you get a higher dose of EM radiation from watching (CRT) tv for 1hour than you would from a lifetime of cell phone use.

Most of the hoo ha about cell phone radiation comes from the media. People hear the word radiation and immediatly think Chernobyl, the simple fact is the human race had been surrounded by natural electromagnmetic radiation for thousands of years and we have survived this long.

If you worried about every little thing you would end up as one of those nut jobs that wallpapers their home with tin-foil or wears a tin-foil hat to block EM signals:doh:
Thanks for the hoo ha, which actualy helps nothing. As far as I know the energy that is transmitted by cell phones does not compare to man made all-environment-radiation, but is much higher, also, the phone being the origin of it, in the immediate vicinity of the cellphone it is foucssed, or better concentrated. - A lasers energy may be harmless if its energy is used to transmit in a 360° arc or even in a round sphere -focussing the energy all into one needle-thin beam can burn your eyes, or even your skin. - Anyone here with real professional insight? the author of the study does not seem to be an unknowing dilletant, and seem to have earned plenty of medical and academic reputation. And as I pointed out by memory, french and Canadian studies aimed at the same direction even in the late 80s and early 90s. They are just aiming against a very strong business lobby, obviously.

[StdDev]

EM is not a single thing that can be generalized about... if EM is so harmless.. try sticking your head in a microwave oven!
Some frequencies are proven harmfull.. some are pretty much proven benign.
I really dont know if cell phones are harmfull.. doesnt seem so unreasonable that they could be..

Of course my opinion could be biased because of exposure to certain EM pulses.. ie. I watched alot of 3-Stooges when I was young! :damn:

[Skybird]

EM is not a single thing that can be generalized about... if EM is so harmless.. try sticking your head in a microwave oven!
Some frequencies are proven harmfull.. some are pretty much proven benign.
I really dont know if cell phones are harmfull.. doesnt seem so unreasonable that they could be..

Of course my opinion could be biased because of exposure to certain EM pulses.. ie. I watched alot of 3-Stooges when I was young! :damn:
Or think of Radar. i vaguely remember that an incredible high number of maintenance crews for German and american SAM radar batteries stationed in germany, from the 70s and 80s suffered cancer in the lower abdomen and genitals. and this althoigh the system until today officially are rated as "safe". My memory pops up the number of 40% of the crews becoming ill, but I cannot swear on that number. It was kind of a scandal here in the early 90s. there also was one incident with a technician of I thiunk a HAWK battery, again in germany, he was almost grilled when stepping in front of the antenna which was assumed to be switched off. He died short time later.

[Captain Nemo]

EM is not a single thing that can be generalized about... if EM is so harmless.. try sticking your head in a microwave oven!
Some frequencies are proven harmfull.. some are pretty much proven benign.
I really dont know if cell phones are harmfull.. doesnt seem so unreasonable that they could be..

Of course my opinion could be biased because of exposure to certain EM pulses.. ie. I watched alot of 3-Stooges when I was young! :damn:

Microwave ovens transmit at 2.4GHz and at much higher power than mobile phones and thats why it cooks food. The latest 3G phones operate at 2.2GHz but at a tiny fraction of the power that a microwave oven uses. GSM in the UK operates at 900MHz and 1800MHz. If you are worried about microwave radiation it's not just mobile phones you should be worried about. Wi-Fi operates at the same frequency as Microwave ovens (2.4GHz) and Wi-Fi transmitters are appearing in millions of locations around the world e.g. streets, pubs, McDonalds the list goes on. Do you use a Wi-Fi enabled laptop? Personally I'm not worried about it at all, there are far more important things to worry about.

Nemo

[kiwi_2005]

I watch a program on this the other night apparently the cell phone brain cancer is a hoax. Your more likely to get brain cancer from being in the sun to long than from a cell phone. Or in other words impossible. Well according to them. I know one thing i use to get wicked headaches from old CRT monitors.

[Jimbuna]

No doubt if it is ever proven beyond any reasonable doubt, it will be too late for countless numbers of unsuspecting victims and the multi nationals will have already prepared their defence against damages claims.

[SUBMAN1]

0.7 watts immediately next to your head - that is pure radiation constant. Cell phones are dangerous.

SOmeone mentioned a CRT - CRT's are shielded to direct those very frequencies out the side and back - not out the front. So that idea does not hold true. MPR ratings were developed in the early 90's and TCO ratings in the late 90's. Earlier monitors, maybe you might get some high rads there.

-S

[NEON DEON]

Be scared. :o

Very scared of soccer moms in SUVs yaking on the cell phone.:D



"As far as I can tell from the work so far," says Roti Roti, "the greatest hazard with cell-phones is driving a car while talking on one."



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020626071255.htm

[SUBMAN1]

Be scared. :o

Very scared of soccer moms in SUVs yaking on the cell phone.:D



"As far as I can tell from the work so far," says Roti Roti, "the greatest hazard with cell-phones is driving a car while talking on one."



http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/06/020626071255.htmYou have no idea how many of these 'moms' have almost killed me!!! They don't even look and just move over. This is the very thing that is getting cell phone bans during driving momentum. WA has now banned both text messaging and non-hands free cell phones with this going into effect in July. Cali - cell phones are banned. How many other states? I forget.

-S

[Jimbuna]

Banning the use of mobiles whilst driving was possibly the best law passed in the UK over the past 10 years http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/wolfcop.gif

[flakmonkey]

Sorry, i guess my initial reply was a little arrogant, i live not too far from a cell phone mast and since the mast was errected ive had to put up with almost constant protests etc, from various groups claiming its a danger to a school (thats 0.5 mile from the mast).
These folks may have a valid concern but knocking on my door at 8am to ask me to sign a petition really isnt going to get me on their side.

To answer the thread`s question i dont think its anywhere near as dangerous as smoking, smoking is proven to cause cancer and many other serious health complaints whereas the majority of research conducted on the subject of cell phone radiation has yet to show any link between cell phones and increased instances of tumors.

[Captain Nemo]

Banning the use of mobiles whilst driving was possibly the best law passed in the UK over the past 10 years http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/wolfcop.gif

Agreed, but I still see lots of drivers using mobiles whilst driving, even women whom I thought were supposed to be more sensible than men drivers, but that's another issue.

Nemo

[Skybird]

Banning the use of mobiles whilst driving was possibly the best law passed in the UK over the past 10 years http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/wolfcop.gif

Agreed, but I still see lots of drivers using mobiles whilst driving, even women whom I thought were supposed to be more sensible than men drivers, but that's another issue.

Nemo
Already inside their mother'S womb, female foetus make seven times as much talking movements with their lower chin, than male foetus. ;) no joke, it's true. A Scottich biologist showed that three or four years ago.

[Skybird]

Sorry, i guess my initial reply was a little arrogant, i live not too far from a cell phone mast and since the mast was errected ive had to put up with almost constant protests etc, from various groups claiming its a danger to a school (thats 0.5 mile from the mast).
These folks may have a valid concern but knocking on my door at 8am to ask me to sign a petition really isnt going to get me on their side.
:lol:

To answer the thread`s question i dont think its anywhere near as dangerous as smoking, smoking is proven to cause cancer and many other serious health complaints whereas the majority of research conducted on the subject of cell phone radiation has yet to show any link between cell phones and increased instances of tumors.

This is exactly where the author of this study disagrees with you, and says: that evidence is there. Mind you, what he did was a meta-study, so he analysed not his own reasearch results, but analysed the data of over 100 already existing studies. and as the article says, French and German governments have ooficially called for minimizing cellphone use (especially by children), and so did the EU as well. considering how slow and fatalistic politicians are to produce such obvious steps of action, I assume they did so by seeing according data. And as I said from my subjective experience, studies showing that there might be a health risk involved that is considerable already were to be find in the early 90s.

[Jimbuna]

Banning the use of mobiles whilst driving was possibly the best law passed in the UK over the past 10 years http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/wolfcop.gif

Agreed, but I still see lots of drivers using mobiles whilst driving, even women whom I thought were supposed to be more sensible than men drivers, but that's another issue.

Nemo

If they get caught, then pulled over, they have a choice:

pay a fixed penalty or contest in court and run the risk of being fined a four figure sum :yep:

[Platapus]

My only advice is that if you are concerned with the health risks of using a cell phone, don't use one.

Me? After 20 years in the military, I have been exposed to so much radiation and industrial chemicals that a little cell phone really won't do much to affect my life expectancy. :nope:

[Skybird]

My only advice is that if you are concerned with the health risks of using a cell phone, don't use one.

Me? After 20 years in the military, I have been exposed to so much radiation and industrial chemicals that a little cell phone really won't do much to affect my life expectancy. :nope:
And if it does, it will have done that over such a long period of time that you will not be able to track the cause back to it anyway. ;)


Why caring for anything then if dying earlier anyway... :smug:

[Platapus]

As Rodney Dangerfield said


"Aside from any accidents, if you take good care of your self, eat right, and exercise, one of these days you will get very sick and die"

Life is a tough gig, no one gets out alive.

[Blacklight]

The only way that it's even remotely possible.. and I mean VERY VERY remotely possible for a cell phone to cause cancer would be if you have your cell phone strapped to your ear 24-7 and are takling on it 24-7. Even then.. chances are so slim that you would have any problem that it's not even worth figuring out. The power just isn't there.

[August]

The only way that it's even remotely possible.. and I mean VERY VERY remotely possible for a cell phone to cause cancer would be if you have your cell phone strapped to your ear 24-7 and are takling on it 24-7. Even then.. chances are so slim that you would have any problem that it's not even worth figuring out. The power just isn't there.
I'm not so sure about that Blacklight. We don't have a good handle on the effects of long term low level exposure.

[Penelope_Grey]

Actually, I agree with Skybird.

Mobile or Cell phones, call them what you will... are based on microwaves, the same microwaves that cook your ready meals... that means you are putting a microwave device right next to your head. This is why I prefer to text! :)

Although the exposure is very very low there is no concrete answers as to what years and years and years of exposure to it will do to you. I think if you want to compare this to smoking as it stands now on research its probably less dangerous than smoking.

Although... one bit of advice if ever you are out in the thunderstorms, do the sensible thing and turn your phone off... lightning can ride the signal right down to you, that would be a shocking a experience.:shifty:

[Skybird]

The only way that it's even remotely possible.. and I mean VERY VERY remotely possible for a cell phone to cause cancer would be if you have your cell phone strapped to your ear 24-7 and are takling on it 24-7. Even then.. chances are so slim that you would have any problem that it's not even worth figuring out. The power just isn't there.
Again, the 100 studies the man analysed seem to differ with you, at least a majority of them. Do you know what you claim or do you just believe it, unfounded? ;) How long you need to telephone per week, and wether the transmitted energy is sufficient or not in order to cause a tumour within organic tissue and the brain obviously is seen considerably lower by these studies than you assume. Also, a brain tumor they said takes about 10 years to develope. We do not talk about putting your hand into a microwave oven and push the button, but exposure to low energy radiation, with regularity, over a longer period of time.

[Skybird]

Although... one bit of advice if ever you are out in the thunderstorms, do the sensible thing and turn your phone off... lightning can ride the signal right down to you, that would be a shocking a experience.:shifty:

Oh, never thought of that, and didn't know that. Gives a whole new meaning to "Beam me up, Scotty!" (image of Kirk on my mind, opening his communicator, giving the order, and getting zapped) :) Thanks!

[Jimbuna]

Oh, never thought of that, and didn't know that. Gives a whole new meaning to "Beam me up, Scotty!" (image of Kirk on my mind, opening his communicator, giving the order, and getting zapped) :) Thanks!

Switch the bugga off before filling your car up with petrol (diesel isn't such a risk)

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3779/gas41rq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Skybird]

Oh, never thought of that, and didn't know that. Gives a whole new meaning to "Beam me up, Scotty!" (image of Kirk on my mind, opening his communicator, giving the order, and getting zapped) :) Thanks!

Switch the bugga off before filling your car up with petrol (diesel isn't such a risk)

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/3779/gas41rq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Didn't know that either! :huh: Never saw a cellphone causing sparks. But have no car anyway.

How comes?

[Jimbuna]

Probably depends on which side of the unknown you subscribe to.

Only ever once been called to a petrol station fire/explosion and the eventual forensic report gave the cause as IIRC, something along the lines of 'A potentially variable causation factor. Possible causes included one or all of the following: Naked flame/spark unextinguished cigarrette, mobile phone)

Me.....I err on the side of caution. Treat flammable materials with the utmost respect :hmm:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/kent/4366337.stm

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/cellgas.htm

[TteFAboB]

Mythbusters believe cellphones explode gas stations because you leave your car without grounding yourself (one hand inside the car, the other on the phone), so when you finally do it you happen to be standing next to fuel vapors.

But don't your ground yourself when you proceed to pick up the fuel hose, when you touch the pump?

[STEED]

Banning the use of mobiles whilst driving was possibly the best law passed in the UK over the past 10 years http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/wolfcop.gif

Just a shame they can not inforce the law. :yep:

Today I saw 23 people breaking the law and I had a word with one of them who told me to, "fu*k off you c**t." Before stepping out the car and about to cause me G.B.H but changed his mind. :nope: