Black Hitler

[STEED]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7319905.stm

So it's election time in Zimbabwe and Robert Mugabe aka Black Hitler is bound to win the vote yet again with all those dead people voting for him he can not loose. When is the rest of the world going to over throw sick murdering son of a bitch I ask?

The answer is of course never and why? Zimbabwe has nothing of value to our leaders, well I say this. Screw you ass wipes and do the right thing and get rid of this swine.

[Tchocky]

Oof, colonial remnants cause trouble for generations.

Hello Iraq.

[STEED]

Oof, colonial remnants cause trouble for generations.

Hello Iraq.


Just bump the son of a bitch off that's all that's needed.

[DeepIron]

Yeah... I was reading some of the articles on Mugabe and of course, he accuses his competitors of being "Puppets of the West"...

So Bob... what's the exchange rate in Zimbabwe these days?

1 US Dollar = 30,652.0 Zimbabwe Dollars
1 Euro = 48,383.0 Zimbabwe Dollars

[Happy Times]

Oof, colonial remnants cause trouble for generations.

Hello Iraq.

Things could be the same without colonization, but lets blame the Europeans for everything.

[DeepIron]

Things could be the same without colonization, but lets blame the Europeans for everything.

Ok. It'll take the heat off the US for awhile... :lol:

[Tchocky]

Oof, colonial remnants cause trouble for generations.

Hello Iraq.
Things could be the same without colonization, but lets blame the Europeans for everything.
Um, things could be the same, aye.
Without colonisation whites would have owned 75% of the land yet make up less than 2% of the population. Without colonisation only whites would have had the vote, leading to a civil war between white minority government and black nationalists. Whatever.

Blame the Europeans for everything? I don't see where you're getting that from. There's no way to avoid putting at least some of the blame on the retreating colonial power.

[Etienne]

So it's election time in Zimbabwe and Robert Mugabe aka Black Hitler is bound to win the vote yet again with all those dead people voting for him he can not loose.

THE NAZI ZOMBIES ARE COMING! RUN! RUN FOR THE HILLS!

...sorry. It couldn't be resisted.

[TteFAboB]

Oof, colonial remnants cause trouble for generations.

Hello Iraq.

Hello South America.

So colonization is all the same now? But in the Muslim thread you denied the generalization of Muslims.

Did you forget generalizations bother you or don't you mind complaining opportunistically, only when it's convenient?

[Happy Times]

Oof, colonial remnants cause trouble for generations.

Hello Iraq.
Things could be the same without colonization, but lets blame the Europeans for everything.
Um, things could be the same, aye.
Without colonisation whites would have owned 75% of the land yet make up less than 2% of the population. Without colonisation only whites would have had the vote, leading to a civil war between white minority government and black nationalists. Whatever.

Blame the Europeans for everything? I don't see where you're getting that from. There's no way to avoid putting at least some of the blame on the retreating colonial power.

Whaty happened when those lands were taken from the whites?? A humanitarian crisis.
I understood you put all the blame on colonial time.
It lasted from 1888-1979, i would claim Zimbabwe would be even more undeveloped without this period. Over third of the population has the HIV/AIDS, whos fault is that?

[Tchocky]

Oof, colonial remnants cause trouble for generations.

Hello Iraq.
Hello South America.

So colonization is all the same now? But in the Muslim thread you denied the generalization of Muslims. I can see where you're coming from, my statement was less than clear. I read the Zimbabwe story, and I could imagine reading similar stories about Iraq 15/20 years into the future. I was drawing a parallel rather than generalising about all colonies & and all post-colonial situation. But this wasn't evident.
Shock-therapy decolonisation will cause trouble, such as in Zimbabwe. The usual structure of society is left open to power-hungry types like Mugabe.

Did you forget generalizations bother you or don't you mind complaining opportunistically, only when it's convenient? I wasn't thinking about generalisations. She ran right out in front of me, Officer, I swear.

Whaty happened when those lands were taken from the whites?? A humanitarian crisis. Er, yes. It was handled stupidly.
I understood you put all the blame on colonial time. Not my intent, see my response to TteFAboB.
Over third of the population has the HIV/AIDS, whos fault is that?
Probably a function of low sex education, religious factors, many other reasons.

[Happy Times]

Im cool with that. Evolution from a tribal/clan based culture takes its own time, hard to teach by others.

[Brag]

This is not self promotion!

Kingmaker shows and studies what is going on in Africa. As one of the reviewers says: It shows the truth as close as the genre will permit. :|\\

[Thunder]

The situation in zimbabwe, is scary for whites in africa, here in South Africa especially.We have thousands of illegal immegrants streaming accross the border everyday, whilst out goverment persuees a policy of "quiet diplomnacy" which does sweet nothing to alleviate their plight.They (african goverments especially) continue to harp on about finding African solutions to problems, and not being the whipping boy to Europe.This is self defeating and ignorqant.
(Many of our ministers are appointed due soley to the fact they participated in the "struggle"and everytime i see one of these self important ignorant asses on the telly i'm reminded of the pink floyd song, we don't need no education...

But they will remain in power as long as the great mass of people contnue to practice reverse racisim and xenophobia.Some examples of the state of affairs in my country(which borders Zim)....

our health minister advocates African beetroot for AIDS...

our president in waiting (Jacob Zuma) has already had a rape charge laid against him(the woman was HIV but he took a shower so thats ok), and now has corruption charges against him, but it will make no difference to the average black person so long as he is in power

We have power outages because the coal being supplied to our power stations has been handed over to various BEE (Black economic empowerment) which cannot get the deliveries right.(the head of one of these companies was an interior decorator:rotfl:)

we had surplus energy withthe previous goverment, but the new gov. decided to fire/retrench all white people (some with 30 yrs experience in the industry)and replace then with inexperienced blacks.-no power.

Our energy minister tols goverment to warn off foreign investment for the next three years.

Land seizure is not called that , although farmers are forced to sell their land to the goverment(at what is deemed a fair price.These farms(90%) which are then run by the"workers' fall into dissarray.(but not before the newly appointerd black farmer had bought himself a mercedes and a rolex)

We have one of the highest(if not the highest)incidents of rape in the world.

Crime is rife and rampant, so much so that concerned citizens form neighbourhoos watches, and patrol the streets at night,supplementing the police force/

we had an elite police unit, with ready access to judges etc, and they were trackin down high profile corruption etc.The\is was disbanded by the ANC after too many of their members were nailed.

This country is being sunk by ineptitude, and we will be alonside Zim in a decade of two,then i think we should just amalgamate the two countries where we can share the nothing.

[Jimbuna]

Oof, colonial remnants cause trouble for generations.

Hello Iraq.


Just bump the son of a bitch off that's all that's needed.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1256/mugabexv5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[bookworm_020]

Australia has had quite a few white farmers come here to resettle after leaving Zimbabwe (quite a few black ones as well!) These were people who are highly skilled and trained and make an important part of an economy. The vast majority have said that they will not return, even if the government changed and they were invited back.

That is a great loss for Zimbabwe, one that will set them back many years.

[Happy Times]

The situation in zimbabwe, is scary for whites in africa, here in South Africa especially.We have thousands of illegal immegrants streaming accross the border everyday, whilst out goverment persuees a policy of "quiet diplomnacy" which does sweet nothing to alleviate their plight.They (african goverments especially) continue to harp on about finding African solutions to problems, and not being the whipping boy to Europe.This is self defeating and ignorqant.
(Many of our ministers are appointed due soley to the fact they participated in the "struggle"and everytime i see one of these self important ignorant asses on the telly i'm reminded of the pink floyd song, we don't need no education...

But they will remain in power as long as the great mass of people contnue to practice reverse racisim and xenophobia.Some examples of the state of affairs in my country(which borders Zim)....

our health minister advocates African beetroot for AIDS...

our president in waiting (Jacob Zuma) has already had a rape charge laid against him(the woman was HIV but he took a shower so thats ok), and now has corruption charges against him, but it will make no difference to the average black person so long as he is in power

We have power outages because the coal being supplied to our power stations has been handed over to various BEE (Black economic empowerment) which cannot get the deliveries right.(the head of one of these companies was an interior decorator:rotfl:)

we had surplus energy withthe previous goverment, but the new gov. decided to fire/retrench all white people (some with 30 yrs experience in the industry)and replace then with inexperienced blacks.-no power.

Our energy minister tols goverment to warn off foreign investment for the next three years.

Land seizure is not called that , although farmers are forced to sell their land to the goverment(at what is deemed a fair price.These farms(90%) which are then run by the"workers' fall into dissarray.(but not before the newly appointerd black farmer had bought himself a mercedes and a rolex)

We have one of the highest(if not the highest)incidents of rape in the world.

Crime is rife and rampant, so much so that concerned citizens form neighbourhoos watches, and patrol the streets at night,supplementing the police force/

we had an elite police unit, with ready access to judges etc, and they were trackin down high profile corruption etc.The\is was disbanded by the ANC after too many of their members were nailed.

This country is being sunk by ineptitude, and we will be alonside Zim in a decade of two,then i think we should just amalgamate the two countries where we can share the nothing.


Seems Mugabe isnt going anywhere.
There should be a country created for the European Africans, they have that right.

[Tchocky]

Seems Mugabe isnt going anywhere.
Check GT, there's a thread on his departure

There should be a country created for the European Africans, they have that right.
Mm, let's fix the mess that happened the last time that was tried.

[Happy Times]

Seems Mugabe isnt going anywhere.
Check GT, there's a thread on his departure

There should be a country created for the European Africans, they have that right.
Mm, let's fix the mess that happened the last time that was tried.

Doubt nothing will change, new clowns get in charge.
Why shouldnt civilized people that have lived for centuries in africa have the right to live in peace and prosperity? Most of those blacks in South Africa moved there after there was something to move to.

[Tchocky]

Why shouldnt civilized people that have lived for centuries in africa have the right to live in peace and prosperity? Most of those blacks in South Africa moved there after there was something to move to.
Black people aren't civilised?

[Happy Times]

[quote=Happy Times]Why shouldnt civilized people that have lived for centuries in africa have the right to live in peace and prosperity? Most of those blacks in South Africa moved there after there was something to move to.
Black people aren't civilised?[/QUOTE

The goverments in Southern Africa and most of the population arent very well educated, im not talking about all blacks in the world.

[Trex]

Why shouldnt civilized people that have lived for centuries in africa have the right to live in peace and prosperity? Most of those blacks in South Africa moved there after there was something to move to.
Black people aren't civilised? I don't think he's saying that blacks aren't civilized, but rather that a group of people who are (ie not vampires or something) should have rights, too.

[Jimbuna]

I'm certainly not intending to take any side here but there is a lot of support worldwide which believes that the blacks are only taking back what was originally taken from their ancestors anyway.

[Trex]

I'm certainly not intending to take any side here but there is a lot of support worldwide which believes that the blacks are only taking back what was originally taken from their ancestors anyway.
Well, that sort of logic is certainly common, but it leaves its adherents pretty wide open. It's not limited to Africa, either, but let's stick with that for this discussion.

On one level, remember that 'black' is far from a monolithic, unified grouping. In this case, let's say the Bantu are legitimately taking back the land that was theirs when the whites came. One hopes they will be equally happy when asked to give it back to the Bushmen, from whom they themselves took it a millenium ago.

On another level, one could make the case that the 'property' has been rather improved. I rather doubt that even the most ardent nationalist would want it back the way that the colonialists got it. Pastoral, beautiful and undisturbed it may have been, but from what I have seen, what is desired is not just the pristine land but also the things built on it and done with it. I doubt Mugabe would want to move into a grass hut, for instance, which was the status quo before the whites arrived. The claim, in other words, includes considerable 'interest' which is generally ignored when discussing the debt.

Would 'black Africa' (whatever in H that is) have brought itself to the state left by the various colonial powers? Maybe, but the evidence to date rests with decay, destruction and brutality. Africa is full of countries that were once prosperous and self-supporting but are now front-page disaster zones.

Don't get me wrong. Apartheid was a blight on the human soul, but the reality is that for every Archbishop Tutu or Nelson Mandela, there are a dozen Idi Amins and Robert Mugabes. The colonial powers were racist, short-sighted and often cruel, but their efforts were often most constructive. Demagoguery is much easier - and more common - than constructive effort. At some stage of the game, the 'oppressed' have to start spending their energy solving their problems rather than blaming others for them.

[STEED]

What's going on?

Is he planning his breakout with the loot or what?

[Trex]

Is he planning his breakout with the loot or what?

A run for it, maybe. As to his loot, you'd have to ask the Swiss, I suspect. One could take that sort of person (from whatever country), drop them stark naked into Bern or the Caymen Islands or Panama or any of the other banking havens and by night's end they'd be wearing silk in the finest hotel in town. From Castro to Mao to Mugabe to Kim to Hoxha, they all have one thing deep inside - they are thieves, hypocrites and looters. A pox on the breed.

[kiwi_2005]

I'll never forget the first time i saw him on TV there was some parade he walks up to a large banner of himself and salutes... to himself :rotfl::rotfl:

[Happy Times]

I'm certainly not intending to take any side here but there is a lot of support worldwide which believes that the blacks are only taking back what was originally taken from their ancestors anyway.

If we are talking about Western and Northern Cape areas these claims have no foundation, the Europeans have as much right to those lands as anyone.
We are talking about so massive area that dividing part of it shouldnt be a problem.
South Africa isnt a viable nation, as seen in the mass exodus of the European Africans.
Mass killings of white farmers, some 2000 murdered.
"Genocide Watch has stated that these attacks constitute early warning signs of genocide against Boers and has criticised the South African government for its inaction on the issue, pointing out that the murder rate for them ("ethno-European farmers" in their report) is four times that of the general South African population."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Farmer_Murders#_note-3

[Jimbuna]

So what's the answer.....apartheid on a continental scale ?

[Happy Times]

So what's the answer.....apartheid on a continental scale ?

It not apatheid then, no one can suppress the other if they live in their own countries.
Could actually improve relations.
This colonialist self-loathing has to stop some time, the Africans have had genocides, enslavement and poverty even without Europeans.

[Jimbuna]

So what's the answer.....apartheid on a continental scale ?

It not apatheid then, no one can suppress the other if they live in their own countries.
Could actually improve relations.
This colonialist self-loathing has to stop some time, the Africans have had genocides, enslavement and poverty even without Europeans.

They also had it long before the Europeans set foot in Africa.

[Thunder]

Living here, it is not the colour of ones skin that tends to be the problem ,it is a clash of cultures.

On the one hand we have a culture which sits happily typing away on this keyboard, familiar with the moden world and it's technology.
On the other we have a culture, which by common definition is "less advanced", and along with this comes a different set of values , and perhaps even morals.

When a common value system is shared there will be less strife.
Getting to the common set of values is the difficulty, because as children we are brought up with core beliefs. Not only that but throw religion into the mix and you have a situation that will take generations to solve.

Once again this is not a black/white thing it's about being "Savvy" in the modern world. I have black collegues at work with whom i have closer ties than many"whites".
This is because they subscribe to the same value system that i do, predominantly that of the western world.

(Some of which were instilled in me by my parents and cheesy tv shows like Dallas, Airwolf and Knightrider:rotfl:, which was what we got mainly during apartheid (ps:that's a joke:D)

People talk about redressing the disparity in wealth issue, but it is meaningless without the education to utilse the wealth, which one culture does and does well,whilst the other remains envious.

The old story of give a man a fish, he eats for a day, teach a man to fish he eats for the rest of his life.


I do not think the solution is just to give someone shares, bacause A:there is no appreciation and B:he will have aquired them without the "knowledge" to make them go further.

As for Mugabe, looks like he's gonna turn tail, by all accounts he's making a deal with Tsvanguri.it will be interesting to see how many refugees here go back.

[Trex]

There are reports of a split in Zanu-PF, Mugabe's party, with the hardliners apparently winning. Notice that the offices of the opposition party were raided earlier this week and now this - opposition representatives have been physically prevented from entering the Supreme Court Building. http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/04/05/zimbabwe.html

Plus qu'il change, plus il reste la même.

[Jimbuna]

Somehow I'm not suprised :nope:

[STEED]

Mugabe seems to be up to something but what?

[Jimbuna]

Mugabe seems to be up to something but what?

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4074/mugabeepa2102400x346xj5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[STEED]

Mugabe seems to be up to something but what?

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/4074/mugabeepa2102400x346xj5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Sling your hook mad man.

[Trex]

Mugabe has apparently decided which way to swing. Of real interest is the tag line that a New York Times reporter had to be sent to the hospital "after falling in his cell."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080407/zimbabwe_farms_080407/20080407?hub=World

[Jimbuna]

I would like to dedicate the next song to my best friend STEED

http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/259/rmsh4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[bookworm_020]

Mugabe has apparently decided which way to swing. Of real interest is the tag line that a New York Times reporter had to be sent to the hospital "after falling in his cell."

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20080407/zimbabwe_farms_080407/20080407?hub=World

Pity Mugabe can't take a fall and break his neck. I'm sure the funeral would be a scene out of A Christmas Carol.

"Thank you very much, thank you very much, it's the nicest thing that anyone has done for me!"

[Trex]

Is there something wrong with the water in Pretoria?

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/04/12/zimbabwe-mbeki.html

[Jimbuna]

Is there something wrong with the water in Pretoria?

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/04/12/zimbabwe-mbeki.html

He must be one of the worlds top ten political leader laughing stocks :nope:

[STEED]

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/pictures/covers/full/1208_big.jpg

[bookworm_020]

That sums it up!:shifty:

Nice to see the government is giving the voters some choices!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/its-mugabe-or-death-voters-told/2008/04/21/1208742852144.html

[Trex]

Lee Harvey Oswald - where are you now that we really need you?

[Von Tonner]

Our Father Mugabe,

who art in Harare ,

How bad is your name that it can be hated in all corners of the world?

Thy kingdom is no more,

Give us this day our poll results

& forgive us for voting you out

as we forgive you for trying to rig the votes.

Lead us not into stoning you, but deliver us from your policies.

For thine is da cruelty, da poverty and da shame.

Fokof!

At least Zimbabweans keep their sense of humour through these trying times.

[STEED]

While of the hoo-har is going on, people are being tortured and killed under this swine. The time has come to stop farting around and get rid of this evil man.

[Jimbuna]

Our Father Mugabe,

who art in Harare ,

How bad is your name that it can be hated in all corners of the world?

Thy kingdom is no more,

Give us this day our poll results

& forgive us for voting you out

as we forgive you for trying to rig the votes.

Lead us not into stoning you, but deliver us from your policies.

For thine is da cruelty, da poverty and da shame.

Fokof!

At least Zimbabweans keep their sense of humour through these trying times.


Nice one :rotfl:

[darius359au]

Looks like Mugabe's not waiting for the results of the "recount":nope:

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23599624-23109,00.html

[STEED]

One good bit of news, that swine is not going to get his shipment of guns from China. The ship has been forced to return back to China.

[Tchocky]

One good bit of news, that swine is not going to get his shipment of guns from China. The ship has been forced to return back to China.
Just when you thought China's PR couldn't get any worse, eh?

[STEED]

One good bit of news, that swine is not going to get his shipment of guns from China. The ship has been forced to return back to China.
Just when you thought China's PR couldn't get any worse, eh?

Too True.

[kurtz]

Meanwhile across the border...

Some discover there is something worse than euopean colonialism; being hungry!

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5288362


Farmer Dan Swart says teaching people "the finer points of farming and finance" could "make Nigeria the breadbasket of West Africa."

[Jimbuna]

Zimbabwe's loss will be Nigerias gain....good luck to them. :up: