A new low in human behavior

[Onkel Neal]

I don't really know what to say. :cry:

"I've never seen an almost conspiratorial effort by a group of people to continuously torture someone until she finally died, then not really show any remorse," Hayes said.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/03/21/torture.slaying.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/03/21/torture.slaying.ap/index.html)

The death penalty? Hell, yeah. And I don't say that from anger or passion, I say it as matter of fact, that crimes like this, where evidence is this strong, these people should not be allowed to live in our world.

[miner1436]

Sick minded freaks.:nope:

[Torplexed]

Power-tripping losers. The infuriating part is that people who do this sick sorta thing are so twisted in the head they still think they're good decent people who are being unfairly misjudged somehow. :nope:

[DeepIron]

If they gave me the gun and it was a legal execution, I'd pull the trigger on each one myself... :down:

[CCIP]

Basically a bunch of degenerates taking out their inferiority complex on someone they thought was more degenerate than them.

Too bad there's no such thing :down:

[Stealth Hunter]

Makes me wonder if we are REALLY any better than barbaric animals, the only difference here being that we wear clothes, talk, and have slightly better motor skills than chimps.

Burn their flesh with hot irons and feed them salt water until their tongues swell up. And even as they scream for mercy, show them none. Torture them to death. Make them suffer to the very last breath that they take on this Earth. These pigs have no further point in the world or society, so let's end their pathetic time here. NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING, makes me more angry than when sadists do this sh*t, ESPECIALLY when they do it to women.

[SteveW1]

What sick, pathetic, degenerates, thats all I can say and doing all of what they did to a pregnant woman it just disgusts me.:nope: I hope they get the death penalty if its available where they are.

[HunterICX]

:nope: Sick bastards,

I'm at a lost of words, shocking it is
poor woman

HunterICX

[Platapus]

These people are predators and a risk to our species.

They need to be removed from our society so they can never threaten our species again.

I would support the death penalty in this case.

If this does not qualify as a "heinous" crime, I don't know what would.

I would try the 12 year old as an adult. There is no way a 12 year old would not know that what they were doing was heinous.

[Skybird]

Sick.

They shall never be allowed walking around freely again, to protect people from them.

Since they most likely cannot continue to be a threat to society in prison and their imprisonment cannot motivate others to commit acts of violence, I refuse to execute them as a preemptive measure.

As I often said, death penalty is a logical contradictio in itself and thus I reject it as a penalty, and accept executing offenders only when they continue to be a present or future major thread of considerably higher proportions than "just" the "normal, usual" crimes like robbery, rape, slaughter and murder by passion. they will not continue to control weapons smuggling, a mafia clan, a terror cell, drug trafficking and enforced prostitution and girl trading or organ trading from inside prison, so let them live and spend all their life behind bars.

[StdDev]

The death penalty is too good for these folk...
The lot of them should be made available as organ donors..
keep them alive on machines until they are finally/totally dispersed.

[mrbeast]

There was a similar case in the UK not so long ago:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/gloucestershire/6284184.stm

Terrible cases, they don't make you feel very positive about humanity.

Its tragic that a 12 year old child was mixed up in this too, in what sort of twisted environment was that child brought up?

[AVGWarhawk]

You really wonder what goes through the minds of people like this. Then again, I do not care, the death penalty needs to be carried out immediately on this crew of idiots.

[nikimcbee]

I say send them to Afighanistan or Iran with a suitcasr full of drugs, Bibles, and Playboys.
Let nature run its course. I think they will be treated fairly there:up:

[JoeCorrado]

Good Lord, I live not too far from Alton and cannot fathom that people such as these exist in the world, let alone in my own back yard. A sad, sad commentary on our society and the type of beasts who share it with us.

[AVGWarhawk]

I say send them to Afighanistan or Iran with a suitcasr full of drugs, Bibles, and Playboys.
Let nature run its course. I think they will be treated fairly there:up:

Now that is funny :rotfl:

[DeepIron]

Good Lord, I live not too far from Alton and cannot fathom that people such as these exist in the world, let alone in my own back yard.

Yeah, I used to go to Alton on a regular basis when I lived in St. Louis in the '80's... Regular midwest type of place... nice folks there.

But then again, I was in Hannibal, MO back in '99, eating at cafe there. Struck up a conversation with a local cop and he said Hannibal had become the meth capital of the midwest...

[geetrue]

That's why God invented hell, hades, sheoul, the abyss (the bottomless gulf, pit, or chaos of the old cosmogonies),
the nether-world (the world of the dead or a dark undefined area of the mind).

I prefer that all murders being turned over to the North American Indian Nation ...

Staked to an ant hill with honey all over your private parts right after a guantlet of indians intice you to try for freedom. :yep:

[Tchocky]

As that page was loading, I honestly thought that headline was a joke.

But it's real.

aaaarrggh

[Stealth Hunter]

I say send them to Afighanistan or Iran with a suitcasr full of drugs, Bibles, and Playboys.
Let nature run its course. I think they will be treated fairly there:up:

Better yet, send them to Turkey. If they aren't beaten to death, they'll end up in one of those horrible jails that the lovely Turks are so revered for. No less than what they deserve.

[Jimbuna]

Stories like this can make you question your faith in humanity :nope:

[Graf Paper]

There are serveral ancient Mongolian forms of execution that crossed my mind when reading that.

I prefer that these $#%^#$@& be put to the one that takes days to die. All you need is about 300 fishooks.

There is no measure that can plumb the depths of evil in men's hearts.

Here be monsters...

[DeepIron]

Stories like this can make you question your faith in humanity :nope:

To quote Linus Van Pelt: "I love Humanity, it's just the people I can't stand." ;)

[ReallyDedPoet]

I work with the special needs population in RL, I have learned more from them they will ever learn from me, period.


RDP

[Jimbuna]

Stories like this can make you question your faith in humanity :nope:

To quote Linus Van Pelt: "I love Humanity, it's just the people I can't stand." ;)

Rgr that http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Skybird]

Some of the commentators here make me wonder what makes the commentator different from the described perpetrators. :nope:

Determination is enough. Don't sell your soul. Don't make you learn from them.

[DeepIron]

Some of the commentators here make me wonder what makes the commentator different from the described perpetrators. :nope:
I'm sorry Skybird, but in my book, there's a BIG difference in meting out am immediate punishment to these people, than to beat a pregnant, mentally-challenged woman with a baseball bat, shoot her with a BB gun or perform any of the other abuses listed in the article.

Thank you but if I burn in hell for wanting to execute those slimeballs, I'll do so gladly...

[kiwi_2005]

Life in prison, one meal a day hard labour. Death is to easy for these sickos let them sit the years out in Jail thinking what they done.

[Jimbuna]

Life in prison, one meal a day hard labour. Death is to easy for these sickos let them sit the years out in Jail thinking what they done.

Good point....plenty of time for contemplation and regret.

[Skybird]

Thank you but if I burn in hell for wanting to execute those slimeballs, I'll do so gladly...
Are you really so worthless or are you just stupid - that you sell your soul so cheap? ;)

Who decides by emotions, is wrong: he gets decided by them.

[DeepIron]

Are you really so worthless or are you just stupid - that you sell your soul so cheap? ;)

Stupid, actually. I constantly get into conflict with myself in these kinds of issues. My desire to improve my relationship with God gets in the way of the rest of me that would simply like to dispose of the scumbags...:damn:

[Skybird]

Follow my advise that I alraedy said above: being determined is enough. Make sure society is safe from them, and lock them away.

Never love the other too much - you do not know if the other later changes and hates you in return, or you learn to hate him.

Never hate the other too much - you do not know if the other later will learn to love, or you love him.

Being determined in protecting society from them - really, that is enough. i do not know if after 2o years these rats will have turned into better or worse beings - karma will get them what they deserve anyway for all action has reaction, and what foce you inflict inevitably returns, and as long as we are safe from them, they are not of any further interest for us anyway.

And you probably are neither worthless, nor stupid, DI! You just allow your emotions to take over. Imagine what Yoda would have to say on that. :)

[Jimbuna]

Believe in the force. http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2589/winkbigid2nz2.gif (http://imageshack.us)

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4999/yodavp8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[DeepIron]

Yeah, but even Yoda wanted to kick Dookoo's butt...:up:

[AkbarGulag]

The article was disturbing.

I work with the special needs population in RL, I have learned more from them they will ever learn from me, period.
RDP

That job can be... emotionally taxing. My friends fiancee works with special needs, many do not live all that long. Modern medicine means we have more people like this now, than in the past, when they would have perished at birth. What is really impressive, is the spirit some of these children possess. It's just a lot harder to see.

It takes a special person to be in this line of work and perform well.

[August]

Imagine what Yoda would have to say on that. :)

You do realize that Yoda is a fictitious movie character, right? :p

[ReallyDedPoet]

The article was disturbing.

I work with the special needs population in RL, I have learned more from them they will ever learn from me, period.
RDP
That job can be... emotionally taxing. My friends fiancee works with special needs, many do not live all that long. Modern medicine means we have more people like this now, than in the past, when they would have perished at birth. What is really impressive, is the spirit some of these children possess. It's just a lot harder to see.

It takes a special person to be in this line of work and perform well.
I am more behind the scenes, but try to get out to our various programs as much as I can. It helps to keep me grounded and better do my job. People with disabilities can contribute to society in a big way with the proper supports in place.


RDP

[RickC Sniper]

The way people treat the helpless is the most basic thermometer of a society.

This is not just a USA problem, either.

[STEED]

Whats new?

[Platapus]

Honestly, this is yet another reason I feel that humans are a failed species.

When a species becomes its own predator....

We laugh at the dinosaurs but they lived for 300-500 Million years

Humans? 60,000 years and no one will give you odds of us making even to the first 100K

I imagine that what ever gods there are up there are looking down are saying "well, THAT did not seem to work out too well.":nope:

[Stealth Hunter]

Honestly, this is yet another reason I feel that humans are a failed species.

When a species becomes its own predator....

We laugh at the dinosaurs but they lived for 300-500 Million years

Humans? 60,000 years and no one will give you odds of us making even to the first 100K

I imagine that what ever gods there are up there are looking down are saying "well, THAT did not seem to work out too well.":nope:

If I had to believe in God, I'd either choose Buddha or the Greek pagan beliefs (I kind of like the idea of being a pawn in a great universal game that we have no control over). Unfortunately, humans are just another species in an endless and vast universe, spread out in an atom-sized cove in the gulf of space, living on a placid island of ignorance in the black seas of infinity.

[Iceman]

What a sad story Neal.
I am speechless as well.
The degree of evil here is eye opening.

All I know with all my heart is the helpless and victums like this are usherd into heaven to the front of the line with angels administering to them.Rest in peace Dear sister and child.This kind of act can only be properly judged by God is my belief.Prision and or death sentence does not begin to pay for such acts.

Vengence is mine saith the Lord.

[Jimbuna]

Honestly, this is yet another reason I feel that humans are a failed species.

When a species becomes its own predator....

We laugh at the dinosaurs but they lived for 300-500 Million years

Humans? 60,000 years and no one will give you odds of us making even to the first 100K

I imagine that what ever gods there are up there are looking down are saying "well, THAT did not seem to work out too well.":nope:

You might just have a point there/here :hmm:

[Tchocky]

Carl Sagan countered Fermi's Paradox with the idea that all advanced civilisations destroy themselves before they reach interstellar travel.

RIP Carl.