Obama's bra 54 Double D!

[NEON DEON]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU&feature=related


Black Pastor lays into Obama and the black voters who voted for him.

"You hipocrates you. you spineless you know what--- you dont have enough sense to pour piss out of a boot and your talkin about obama as your President."


When I first looked at this video 5 hours ago it had around 75 k views. It is over 800,000 views now.


Ouch!

[Sailor Steve]

A couple of instant reactions:

1) Way to preach the gospel of Christ, 'reverend'!

2) Who does he want for president? Sounds like he's using Bill to campaign for Hillary.

[Platapus]

I thought that Senator Obama's speech on Monday (I think) was good. Straight forward and he addressed the concerns.

People who attend church are not mindless zombies. Just because a soon to retire pastor vents does not mean that everyone in the church is going to buy it.

Just because Senator Obama said that this pastor was his spiritual mentor does not mean that he blindly accepts everything he said. I have have had many mentors in both my professional and academic lives. I have not had one that I did not strongly disagree with on some matter. Does that mean they can't be my mentor?

No, it does mean that I learned from them. I always learned from my mentors. Sometimes I learned what to do and other times I learned what not to do.

It is quite probable that Senator Obama listened to this crap and disagreed. If I were to sever contact with everyone I ever disagreed with I would be a lonely man indeed.

To me this is a non-issue being fanned by the Senator Clinton team.

There are other more important things you can either like or dislike Senator Obama about then what some jerk in his church said before retiring.

[NEON DEON]

It is not just the Pastor. It is written into church doctrine and documented on their web site for all to see. The church Obama has attended for almost 20 years.

Obama has openly contradicted his own statement on Wright several times this past week. One minute he says he never heard or knew of it the next he is saying before the campaign started he never knew then back again to never heard of it at all before now.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

[AVGWarhawk]

@Playtapus:

Birds of a feather flock together. I do not believe for a instant that if someone such as Obama disagrees with his pastor would continue to sit in the pew for 20 years. Read the church doctrine. In this instance is there guilt by association? I believe there is.

[sonar732]

If Obama would've made his comments when all of this came about a long time ago, he wouldn't be in the pickle that he's in now. I remember when he was thinking about running and they were questioning his relationship with his pastor.

[StarFox]

he was born trash?

You cannot be born trash, you have to earn it though your actions. My father was black and my mother is white, does that make me trash too? From the way he mentions it, yes I guess I am trash.

Guess what, I have done more with my life then I ever thought possiable. I have fought for a ship that is an American Icon. I have worked my way up from a failing student in High school to a College student that is rather succesful. I am not trash.

Reverend, you can kiss both cheeks of my ass

[nikimcbee]

@Playtapus:

Birds of a feather flock together. I do not believe for a instant that if someone such as Obama disagrees with his pastor would continue to sit in the pew for 20 years. Read the church doctrine. In this instance is there guilt by association? I believe there is.

Yeah, Oprah went there and left. Kinda makes you wonder:hmm:

I agree with Sailor Steve:
A couple of instant reactions:

1) Way to preach the gospel of Christ, 'reverend'!

2) Who does he want for president? Sounds like he's using Bill to campaign for Hillary.

[Iceman]

@Playtapus:

Birds of a feather flock together. I do not believe for a instant that if someone such as Obama disagrees with his pastor would continue to sit in the pew for 20 years. Read the church doctrine. In this instance is there guilt by association? I believe there is.

Sound judgement. :up:

[Iceman]

he was born trash?

You cannot be born trash, you have to earn it though your actions. My father was black and my mother is white, does that make me trash too? From the way he mentions it, yes I guess I am trash.

Guess what, I have done more with my life then I ever thought possiable. I have fought for a ship that is an American Icon. I have worked my way up from a failing student in High school to a College student that is rather succesful. I am not trash.

Reverend, you can kiss both cheeks of my ass:up: lol...btw..you are not Star Fox from Asheron's Call?

[Sailor Steve]

he was born trash?

You cannot be born trash, you have to earn it though your actions. My father was black and my mother is white, does that make me trash too? From the way he mentions it, yes I guess I am trash.

Guess what, I have done more with my life then I ever thought possiable. I have fought for a ship that is an American Icon. I have worked my way up from a failing student in High school to a College student that is rather succesful. I am not trash.

Reverend, you can kiss both cheeks of my ass
That's why I think there's still hope for America's youth--all of America's youth. Way to go, mate!:rock:

[Von Tonner]

I thought that Senator Obama's speech on Monday (I think) was good. Straight forward and he addressed the concerns.

People who attend church are not mindless zombies. Just because a soon to retire pastor vents does not mean that everyone in the church is going to buy it.

Just because Senator Obama said that this pastor was his spiritual mentor does not mean that he blindly accepts everything he said. I have have had many mentors in both my professional and academic lives. I have not had one that I did not strongly disagree with on some matter. Does that mean they can't be my mentor?

No, it does mean that I learned from them. I always learned from my mentors. Sometimes I learned what to do and other times I learned what not to do.

It is quite probable that Senator Obama listened to this crap and disagreed. If I were to sever contact with everyone I ever disagreed with I would be a lonely man indeed.

To me this is a non-issue being fanned by the Senator Clinton team.

There are other more important things you can either like or dislike Senator Obama about then what some jerk in his church said before retiring.

Spot on Platapus:up: How many millions of people attend church every Sunday and hear their minister/preacher/priest etc denounce Darwinism? Does that mean that you "by association" support them in that view? Hardly. And here we are talking about a fundemental difference to the very principal of Christianity. One promoting 'chance', the other 'purpose'.

As Obama has himself said, he sought out some people to help him in his fledging political career - that is the nature of politics, possibly more so in Chicago, and particularly within the black community. It is not allways "what you know" but "who you know" that gets some doors opened. I also believe this view of his is articulated in his belief that if he is elected president of the USA he will open up dialogue with America's enemies as opposed to pointedly ignoring them.

Personally, I think the only question that has to be vigoursly asked of him is whether he agreed with those views of his minister. He has gone on record as saying he does not. Now, unless someone comes forward with reputable evidence to challenge him on this, then it is time to move on.

[bradclark1]

How many millions of people attend church every Sunday and hear their minister/preacher/priest etc denounce Darwinism? Does that mean that you "by association" support them in that view?
I'd say there is a little difference between your example and his action(or inaction). How can someone lead spiritually when they are bigots? OB by virtue of him staying there and being silent agrees with him. Kind of like the slip by his wife in saying that her husband running for president is the first time she was proud of this country. A normal couple I would shrug and say "Thats there opinion". They aren't normal. He's running for the top post of this country. It matters. That cut him out of the loop as far as I'm concerned.

In fact lets turn it a little. If Hillary was a member of a church where her minister was against blacks what do you think would happen? All hell would have been raised, she would have lost every supporter, she would drop out of the race and she would be finished politically. Double standard as far as I'm concerned.

[Jimbuna]

he was born trash?

You cannot be born trash, you have to earn it though your actions. My father was black and my mother is white, does that make me trash too? From the way he mentions it, yes I guess I am trash.

Guess what, I have done more with my life then I ever thought possiable. I have fought for a ship that is an American Icon. I have worked my way up from a failing student in High school to a College student that is rather succesful. I am not trash.

Reverend, you can kiss both cheeks of my ass

Very well put :up:

[Von Tonner]

In fact lets turn it a little. If Hillary was a member of a church where her minister was against blacks what do you think would happen? All hell would have been raised, she would have lost every supporter, she would drop out of the race and she would be finished politically. Double standard as far as I'm concerned.

I think you want to google Billy Graham and see what he has to say about Jews and Catholics, or better still, have a look at what old Bill had to say about the reverend Wright after he invited and embraced him into the White House. Hell, he even wrote a letter to him a few days later saying he was uplifted by his semon. I am cerainly not arguing or trying to find excuses for Wright, all I am saying is, put this into perspective. Sound bites don't help.

[NEON DEON]

have a look at what old Bill had to say about the reverend Wright after he invited and embraced him into the White House. Hell, he even wrote a letter to him a few days later saying he was uplifted by his semon. I am cerainly not arguing or trying to find excuses for Wright, all I am saying is, put this into perspective. Sound bites don't help.


LOL:roll: :roll: :roll:

Perspective?

This is perspective?

An 800 pound gorrilla vs. Mini me!:D

A form letter and a publicity photo

VS.

A 20 year relationship with a racialy motivated church and pastor.

The wrong Rev. Wright seems to have influenced his wife and BHO given his wife"s comment. BHO failure to salute the flag during the national anthem and refusal to ware the American flag just goes to show there is influence there.

PS:

This page is not a sound bite and it is from Trinity church web site.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html


Perspective. :p

Sound bite my a##!:nope: :nope: :nope:

[bradclark1]

In fact lets turn it a little. If Hillary was a member of a church where her minister was against blacks what do you think would happen? All hell would have been raised, she would have lost every supporter, she would drop out of the race and she would be finished politically. Double standard as far as I'm concerned.

I think you want to google Billy Graham and see what he has to say about Jews and Catholics, or better still, have a look at what old Bill had to say about the reverend Wright after he invited and embraced him into the White House. Hell, he even wrote a letter to him a few days later saying he was uplifted by his semon. I am cerainly not arguing or trying to find excuses for Wright, all I am saying is, put this into perspective. Sound bites don't help.
Billy Graham is not anybody in governments preacher so whats your point? I don't think Grahams been to the White house in a few years because of some of his remarks if that is what you are tying to point out.
Wright was one of a group of clerics at the White House in 1998 for a prayer breakfast. Not exactly a presidential endorsement.
I put it in perspective.
During a Christmas sermon, Wright tried to compare Obama’s upbringing to Jesus at the hands of the Romans.
“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich white people,” Wright said. “Hillary would never know that.
“Hillary ain’t never been called a ******. Hillary has never had a people defined as a non-person.”
In his Jan. 13 sermon, Wright said:
“Hillary is married to Bill, and Bill has been good to us. No he ain’t! Bill did us, just like he did Monica Lewinsky. He was riding dirty.”

Thats all the perspective I need.

[AVGWarhawk]

Starfox:


he was born trash?

You cannot be born trash, you have to earn it though your actions. My father was black and my mother is white, does that make me trash too? From the way he mentions it, yes I guess I am trash.
When I listen to this "pastor" Starfox that is impression that I got. As if he is unpure because of a black father and white mother. I noted he particularly went after the white mother of Obama as if she were some type of harlot. It did have a overtone of being racial. I feel for you in this respect and certainly you are not trash as this loose cannon would have you believe. You are correct, the "trash" label is gotten from poor action or inaction and that includes every walk of life.

Guess what, I have done more with my life then I ever thought possiable. I have fought for a ship that is an American Icon. I have worked my way up from a failing student in High school to a College student that is rather succesful. I am not trash.

Reverend, you can kiss both cheeks of my ass
Being that you and I live in the land of the free, you can send off a nice letter to this paster and his church with a nice challenge to the talk of "trash" because of a black father and white mother. I would certainly think about it. Send him a nice pic of your posterior to kiss:up: I wonder if anyone in the congregation also has the same situation as you and Obama when it comes to parents.:hmm: I wonder if he caught any crap for it after his sermon was completed. Do not let it worry you, your good name is all you need to make it though life.

[Von Tonner]

How can someone lead spiritually when they are bigots? OB by virtue of him staying there and being silent agrees with him.
So we agree that the Pope, Billy Graham, christian fundamentalists both in the US and elsewhere, in fact, any religious leader of whatever persuasion that either through scripture or belief excludes, denounces, shuns, any group of people or ideas contary to their own are bigots. You won't find me arguing with you there.

On whether OB should have got up if he was present during one of these rants and say: "Excuse me Reverand, if you don't stop speaking crap, I will be be forced to leave as some time in over the course of the next 20 years I might want to run for the presidency of the USA and I don't want to run the risk of acquiesing to your statements. But the rest of you good folk in the pews who don't harbour such aspirations feel free to stay - just please don't excomunicate me".

Sorry, I don't buy it. If you are going to hold him to such standards we must ALL be held, and if we all did what you state he should have, I doubt there would be a religious house left anywhere in the world that would still have a congregation to speak of.

[Von Tonner]

Billy Graham is not anybody in governments preacher so whats your point? I don't think Grahams been to the White house in a few years because of some of his remarks if that is what you are tying to point out.


Well, he and the Clintons appear to be more than just good friends - that is my point. So my question is: Why is Hillary not called upon to repudiate some of his outlandish remarks? Just asking.

Speaking to thousands of people on the second night of his crusade in New York City, Billy Graham stood by the side of former President Bill Clinton and his wife, Hillary. Graham said “Mrs. Clinton might make a good President.” He called Bill Clinton and his wife “wonderful friends” and “a great couple.” Graham said that the former President “should become an evangelist and allow his wife to run the country.”
http://soldierservant.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/billy-graham-endorsed-hillary-clinton-for-president/

[Von Tonner]

This page is not a sound bite and it is from Trinity church web site.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html


Perspective. :p

Sound bite my a##!:nope: :nope: :nope:

Unless I missed something, and please point out if I did, all I saw on that site was "The Black Value System" a "10 point vision" for the church, a statement "unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christain" - nothing earth shattering. I am unashamedly white and proud of it - so what?

[bradclark1]

Billy Graham is not anybody in governments preacher so whats your point? I don't think Grahams been to the White house in a few years because of some of his remarks if that is what you are tying to point out.


Well, he and the Clintons appear to be more than just good friends - that is my point. So my question is: Why is Hillary not called upon to repudiate some of his outlandish remarks? Just asking.

Show me where Graham even comes close to or along the lines of Wrights comments. I'm asking this because I've looked and couldn't find any. Was Graham a full time preacher to any of eleven administrations that had invited him to the white house?

[bradclark1]

On whether OB should have got up if he was present during one of these rants and say: "Excuse me Reverand, if you don't stop speaking crap, I will be be forced to leave as some time in over the course of the next 20 years I might want to run for the presidency of the USA and I don't want to run the risk of acquiesing to your statements. But the rest of you good folk in the pews who don't harbour such aspirations feel free to stay - just please don't excomunicate me".

Oh, about anytime he decided to step into public life would have been a good time. How many years has that been? I'll ask you again what if Hillary's preacher said the same things about blacks. I'm not asking you to defend Wright I'm asking what if Hillary's preacher said the same things about blacks.
Nothing stopped Obama from attending another church except his choice to voluntarily be there. By staying and not voicing any objection he agrees with Wright. I'd say he has had more then enough time. I don't want something like that leading my country Period!

[Tchocky]

Am I the only who's left cold by the hullabaloo over Wright's comments?
Unusual? Yes.
Unhelpful for elections? Yes.
Unreasonable? Yes.
Shocking or surprising? Hell no.
Like many statements that candidates have to deny, there's a grain of truth. The US didn't create AIDS to kill black people. Google the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment. The US isn't 100% responsible for what happened on 9/11. Google blowback.
This doesn't mean that Wright is right, it just invalidates a hell of a lot of the coverage.
Here's the whole thing, ignore the video title/comments/spin. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOdlnzkeoyQ

It seems that the media/public can't handle the usual election cycle of flag-humping being interrupted. That a candidate for office doesn't seem to "love the country enough" would get laughed out of contention in this country. Knocking someone for displaying an invented notion of "anti-americanism" is ridiculous, or would be here.

[NEON DEON]

This page is not a sound bite and it is from Trinity church web site.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html


Perspective. :p

Sound bite my a##!:nope: :nope: :nope:

Unless I missed something, and please point out if I did, all I saw on that site was "The Black Value System" a "10 point vision" for the church, a statement "unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christain" - nothing earth shattering. I am unashamedly white and proud of it - so what?

You are seeing what you want to see.

So much so you failed to look at the link I posted. Because if you did you would see it for yourself.

BTW

The site lists 12 points not 10.

Read the link and while reading switch the word black with white.

Point 11:

"Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System."

A church asking allegiance.

Not to God, Not to your country, but to your race. :cry:

[bradclark1]

Am I the only who's left cold by the hullabaloo over Wright's comments?

It's not over Wrights comments. There's people like him everywhere and in every race. The hullabaloo is over a presidential wannabe agreeing with those comments by virtue of him staying with that preacher and/or not commenting on his statements for twenty years. He can pledge allegiance to just blacks if he wants to but not as my president. There are some things with politicians I can take like the likelihood they are crooks or sexual deviants and some I can't take. For me personally this is a can't take.

[Stealth Hunter]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Sgt-Smithy/480px-Poll27s_closed.jpg

EDIT: Now you know what Barack would look like with a kick-ass afro.

[STEED]

Colourful language from a man of the cloth. ;)

Got to give him some credit as he makes the Church of England preachers look so liberal and wet. :lol:

[sonar732]

Stealth Hunter...I'm confused by your photoshot picture.

[Stealth Hunter]

There's no real point to it. Just felt like posting it. Don't want it to rot, so I decided to use it for once.

[NEON DEON]

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g17/Sgt-Smithy/480px-Poll27s_closed.jpg

EDIT: Now you know what Barack would look like with a kick-ass afro.

Is that Link from the 70s TV show


THE ROOKIES

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl::rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:


EDIT: OOPS! Wrong cop show. Link was on the Mod Squad.

[Stealth Hunter]

Hey, hey, hey! Somebody vetoed my bill yesterday.

[Von Tonner]

This page is not a sound bite and it is from Trinity church web site.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html


Perspective. :p

Sound bite my a##!:nope: :nope: :nope:
Unless I missed something, and please point out if I did, all I saw on that site was "The Black Value System" a "10 point vision" for the church, a statement "unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christain" - nothing earth shattering. I am unashamedly white and proud of it - so what?
You are seeing what you want to see.

So much so you failed to look at the link I posted. Because if you did you would see it for yourself.

BTW

The site lists 12 points not 10.

Read the link and while reading switch the word black with white.

Point 11:

"Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System."

A church asking allegiance.

Not to God, Not to your country, but to your race. :cry:
I think YOU need to read your link properly. For the record, here is the 10 POINT VISION


We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:
A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.Now, with all due respect, please point out which one of these 10 points is anti-american or causing you concern. All I read are 10 points of which some can be classified as black empowerment.

Given the 10 point vision of the church, I'm having a hard time trying to understand why the elders of the church did not bring Wright back into line. There are a number of points parts of his sermons clearly violated.

[Von Tonner]

He can pledge allegiance to just blacks if he wants to but not as my president. There are some things with politicians I can take like the likelihood they are crooks or sexual deviants and some I can't take. For me personally this is a can't take.
Correct me if I am wrong, but did not JFK say, "First I am the President of the USA, and then a Catholic". Given that the USA is a secular state I would accord Obama the intelligence to understand that his religious beliefs stay on the other side of the Oval office door at all times. No majority is going to vote him into office as the spiritual leader of America.

Kennedy said he would follow his own conscience, not allowing any church interferences with what his conscience dictated: "I believe in a President whose religious views are his own private affair." In his speech, he faced squarely points on which the Vatican might like to interfere:
Whatever issue may come before me as President, if I should be elected—on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject—I will make my decision...in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressures or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.
If his conscience and his public duty were ever in conflict—which he thought impossible—he said, "I would resign the office."
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/20939

Would it help if Obama made a similar undertaking?

[bradclark1]

Would it help if Obama made a similar undertaking?
We aren't talking religion though are we? The only thing that notes religion about this is that Wrights a preacher. Other then that it's a completely different message.

[NEON DEON]

This page is not a sound bite and it is from Trinity church web site.

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html


Perspective. :p

Sound bite my a##!:nope: :nope: :nope:
Unless I missed something, and please point out if I did, all I saw on that site was "The Black Value System" a "10 point vision" for the church, a statement "unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christain" - nothing earth shattering. I am unashamedly white and proud of it - so what?
You are seeing what you want to see.

So much so you failed to look at the link I posted. Because if you did you would see it for yourself.

BTW

The site lists 12 points not 10.

Read the link and while reading switch the word black with white.

Point 11:

"Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System."

A church asking allegiance.

Not to God, Not to your country, but to your race. :cry:
I think YOU need to read your link properly. For the record, here is the 10 POINT VISION


We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

A congregation committed to ADORATION.
A congregation preaching SALVATION.
A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.
A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.
A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.
A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.
A congregation committed to LIBERATION.
A congregation committed to RESTORATION.
A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY.Now, with all due respect, please point out which one of these 10 points is anti-american or causing you concern. All I read are 10 points of which some can be classified as black empowerment.

Given the 10 point vision of the church, I'm having a hard time trying to understand why the elders of the church did not bring Wright back into line. There are a number of points parts of his sermons clearly violated.

ON the Trinity site:

I am going to make it big so you dont miss it

http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html (http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html)



THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEMhttp://www.tucc.org/images/tucclayoutr1_09.jpgTrinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981.
Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System. His dedication to the pursuit of excellence, despite systematic denials, has inspired the congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ. Prayerfully, we have called upon the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Blacks for guidance in fashioning an instrument of Black self-determination, the Black Value System.
Beginning in 1982, an annual Black Value System – Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd was instituted. The first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award, which is given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System, was our brother, Dr. Manford Byrd.
These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

Commitment to God. “The God of our weary years” will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind.
Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community.
Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society.

Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate.
Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college.

Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds.
Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence.To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor.
Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. “It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago.” Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce.
Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth.
Disavowal of the Pursuit of “Middleclassness.” Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the “talented tenth” of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor’s control.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:
Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”
So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.
Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.
Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.
Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.
Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.And for the record one more time

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http://www.tucc.org/black_value_system.html

[Platapus]

Neon,

Thanks for posting that, I read your post as well as accessed the website.

The problem is that I still don't see much to be upset about.

It is a church that seems to have a primarily black audience and its mission statement seems to be aimed toward blacks.

Personally I would like to eliminate all racial context. But this aint my church.

Sounds like a bunch of black people trying to help black people. Don't see much wrong with that.

This just seems to re-enforce my opinion that the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. was a radical nut case in an otherwise pretty decent church.

I strongly disagree with what he said in a few of his sermons, but in the philosophy of what Voltaire may or may not have said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

In any case, I really can't find any fault with the Church's mission statements or any other statement I have read on their website.

Would I go to that church? Probably not, but that is hardly a criteria for a good church :)

[NEON DEON]

Neon,

Thanks for posting that, I read your post as well as accessed the website.

The problem is that I still don't see much to be upset about.

It is a church that seems to have a primarily black audience and its mission statement seems to be aimed toward blacks.

Personally I would like to eliminate all racial context. But this aint my church.

Sounds like a bunch of black people trying to help black people. Don't see much wrong with that.

This just seems to re-enforce my opinion that the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. was a radical nut case in an otherwise pretty decent church.

I strongly disagree with what he said in a few of his sermons, but in the philosophy of what Voltaire may or may not have said "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

In any case, I really can't find any fault with the Church's mission statements or any other statement I have read on their website.

Would I go to that church? Probably not, but that is hardly a criteria for a good church :)


So you dont think that point 8 and the four other points within point 8 are divisive in anyway and that these points wont foster hatred of white people?

#8.1,.2,.3,&.4:


Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of “we” and “they” instead of “us.”
So, while it is permissible to chase “middleclassness” with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method – the psychological entrapment of Black “middleclassness.” If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our “voluntary” contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented

[Platapus]

I agree that item 8 is a bit out there. I would even agree that they are divisive.

It serves to foster a "victim" attitude that helps many disadvantaged people emotionally deal with their situation. "structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons." is a classic "I am a victim" rationalization.

I don't agree with the "I am a victim" attitude but thats me and my upbringing. Others take comfort in being a victim.

Look at the response to the speeches of Dr. Bill Cosby on this topic. Rather negative.

The tricky question is:

Given our history of how minorities have been treated in the history of the United States, are any of the sub-items wrong?

They may be worded harshly and exaggerated, but are any of them historically wrong?

[bradclark1]

What I find is that that list is 25 years old and as far as I can tell it has never been updated. The whole thing plus Wrights comments are meant to blame the white race for all the ills of the American black race.
These points aren't about blacks helping blacks, its about blacks blaming whites for all percieved wrongs.

warping by our racist competitive society
Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning.
instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others.Why they don't update to deal with todays realities tells me Wright and congregation to include Obama are just full of ****.

[bradclark1]

They may be worded harshly and exaggerated, but are any of them historically wrong?
The key word is historically. This isn't history this is 2008.
In 2008 you might not be able to attend the college you want because you aren't black.
In 2008 you might not be able to be a cop or a fireman because you aren't black.
In 2008 you might not be able to hold a managerial position because you aren't black.
In 2008 you might not be able to get a government contract because you aren't a black owned business even though you were cheaper.
In 2008 when you apply for a government job you might not get it because a black gets more points awarded just for being black.

So when I hear the kind of crap Wright spouts one has to ask why. Then one has to ask why a United States senator agrees with those comments. Then one has to ask do you want someone of that caliber to be president? Hell no!! He can stay where he is and help the blacks against the mean white man in 2008.

[Tchocky]

Working from the assumption that legal equality is the be all and end all, there's no reason for such affirmative action.