Formula 1 2008

[Konovalov]

An excellent drive from Lewis again confirming his immense talent. :yep:

Bad day for my man Webber. :down: Only highlight for him was passing the back half of the field with ease after spinning into dead last. This made Massa's efforts at the back of the field look terrible by comparison.

[Dowly]

Tee hee, photographer gets an hug from Kimi. :rotfl:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u3FpG1Y3lLU

[XabbaRus]

Massa showed how good he is, only in the dry.

Pity with Webber...shows just how great a track Silverstone is. Wet race cars all over the place but no nasty accidents and no safety car to bugger races.

[STEED]

Germany here we come, LH show them what a Brit can do. :lol:

[stabiz]

Yeah, its looking good for Lewis. (If it stays wet)

[XabbaRus]

Lewis set his times on a dry track today. Apart from a little off in the first session it looks like MM are back up there. The win the other weekend must have steadied his nerves.

[Jimbuna]

I'd be interested in seeing a 'dry' race in order to better assess his true chances of a world championship crown.

[Konovalov]

I love watching the two Friday practice sessions on ITV's website while at the office. :up:

[stabiz]

Lewis set his times on a dry track today. Apart from a little off in the first session it looks like MM are back up there. The win the other weekend must have steadied his nerves.

Yes, bur friday is seldom a good indicator. I remember Honda doing well on several fridays.:rotfl:

[XabbaRus]

Maybe not for most teams but for Ferrari and MM I think Friday is pretty indicative of pace.

[XabbaRus]

Best race of the season. Massa snatched defeat from the jaws of Victory, MM almost lost it for LH....Good on Piqyet JR. Great overtaking by LH.

What was KR doing?

[bert8for3]

Good race. Nice to see some passing decide things for once. Even though there wasn't much doubt that LH was going to overtake FM.

Thought for a while McL had bungled (again) the safety car period by not pitting LH. Although I was thinking that FM might not have had enough fuel to finish and might have needed a splash and dash. Turned out the reverse on both counts.

Had to do without commentary today. TSN (English), and which uses the ITV feed/commentators, here was running the British Open, so I had to watch the race on RDS (French TSN). Doesn't fuss me in the slightest if it's in French, but the local commentators plus the one guy they have at the race (and who despite 21st Century technology sounds as if he's talking from the far side of the moon via tin can and wire) are the worst commentators going (in whatever language). They spend half the race going off on tangents with no attention to what's going on on the track. So you get maybe 10% of the actual race commented, which leaves you kind of short on what's going on. Gotta remember not to watch on tape delay if this happens again, so that I can get the live timing feed.

End of rant ... although I must add that I wish the Hondas would get a decent paint job .... have I said that before? :D

That car cam from just behind and to the left of the driver's helmet is great.

[Jimbuna]

Best race thus far by a long chalk.

Ten down, eight to go.....the momentum for the title should start gathering real pace soon.

[mcf1]

It was a great race:rock:

[XabbaRus]

If you go on the UK F1 forums though the Hamilton bashers are out. I don't get what it is with British people having to bash a successful Brit? Seems many prefer a Tim Henman type who is close but no cigar top o old chap what? As soon as they start winning then they start getting knocked. If this was a US driver with a chance of winning the TV shows over there and US citizens would be raving about him.

The point of contention seems to be HK opening the door for LH but it was harder for LH to pass him than it was for Massa...

[Jimbuna]

Sadly IMHO it's a part of the British culture that has developed over the past couple of decades due to the lack of top sporting achievements on a consistent basis.

We never were any good at blowing our own trumpets and telling the world how good we are/were.

The best way to silence them is to win LH (fingers crossed).

[XabbaRus]

I agree. Maybe GB would get the G back if we started blowing our own trumpets when we are good at something.

[Jimbuna]

Rgr that http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

http://imgcash6.imageshack.us/img91/5841/greatbritaincj6.gif

[Konovalov]

Hamilton drove a faultless and superb race. By current F1 standards that was an ok race to watch. :yep: I firmly believe that Lewis will win the Championship this year. Ferrari should sack Massa at the end of this year. He is an overated driver and his alleged defensive driving against Hamilton was just plain terrible. What a little surrender monkey Massa is. :down:

However, I just watched my man Casey Stoner do battle with Valentino Rossi for 20 odd laps with nothing but an inch between them swapping positions numerous times. Rossi came out the victor for his first ever win at Laguna Seca. These two guys are just fantastic bike riders. Pitty that we now have to wait so long for the next race to come around.

[XabbaRus]

MotoGP is a blast. I like Rossi, just so funny and his Italian accent cracks me up..he is so happy.

stoner is good too. He got a lot of stick from UK MotoGP fans when he won last year which was bad sportsmanship...IIRC he got Booed at Donignton.

[stabiz]

Great race by Hamilton today! True Champion-in-the-waiting by Lewis on Hockeheim, no doubt. I dont particularly like either Mclaren or Hamilton, but what he did today was awesome. Kovalainen is in real trouble.

And what the ? is the matter with Raikkonen these days, he looks subdued or something.

[STEED]

After two great races lets all hope Lewis as now turned a corner. LH, should be backed to the hilt by us Brits as he is the only one of the Brit drivers who is in there with a chance. :up:

[Hitman]

Ineed amazing performance in both last races, and both with added difficulties :hmm: In GB it was the rain, in germany the disastrous team strategy. He raised over both and was simply imperial. As much as I hate him as a person, I admire him much as a driver. True he has currently the best car in the grid, but Kovalainen has it also and his performance is very different.

My only fear is that this association of best driver with best car spoils a part of the F1 fun in the near future, as it happened with Schumacher's golden years in Ferrari. :damn:

I hope they sack Massa and put Alonso in the Ferrari soon, as Kimi could have been "the" rival for Hamilton, but seems to have dilluted considerably. What a pity, as he was in my opinion the best driver of the current grid in his heyday.:down:

[kranz]

this "F1" is total bull... Did you see how Hamilton overtook Kovalainen yesterday?He should be banned for at least two Grand Prix(whatever plural it is)I mean both of them. Poor Massa....

[XabbaRus]

Please lets not have this argument.

Drivers race for the team ultimately and the manufacturers are more interested in the constructors points than the WDC therefore HK letting LH through was justified as LH was going much faster. In the interest of the team it made more sense to get 14 points than 9. In any case maybe Heidfeld and Kubica should have been disqualified for two races when Heidfeld obviously let a faster Kubica through back in Canada IIRC.

Poor Massa, he almost had it. I can think of several drivers on the grid who should be in a Ferrari before him.

[stabiz]

This is teamwork, and I am no McLaren fan at all. They swapped places because Kovalainen had no chanse in hell to win the race, he is just to slow. As a matter of fact he has underperformed since his mega crash. He dropped 13 seconds to Hamilton after the swap.

Oh, and I would BOOOO as loud as anyone if Kovi was first and Lewis second when they swapped, but this was totally different. Mclaren wants to win, so the car that could threaten the ones ahead gets to do that.

[kranz]

I agree with eliminating Kubica.I hate this guy.Dunno if you are familiar with some of his "golden words". In Poland he is regarded as a half-God sometimes. Back to LH-teamwork is forbidden. Sure he was faster but they didn't even pretend to make it a bit "spectacular". Kovalainen slowed so much that it was ROFL.Sorry. Back to Massa-was it in Monaco where he had sooo great advantage and they put a Safety Car due to some morons on track?

[antikristuseke]

Back to LH-teamwork is forbidden.

No it isnt, team orders for one to let the other pass are, however.

[XabbaRus]

I'm also sure that the exchange was given in a way where HK had to make his own mind up. In fact if you look at the replay HK caught LH out, pulled over with LH not really suspecting it as he was following him in and had to duck inside at the last moment.

[kranz]

hmm-I'm not gonna argue with you but those two tards who talk about race in one of polish channels say that it is forbidden.

back to overtaking-I doubt he didn't see LH.Was it right turn?If some1 get a map of the track who could discuss it.I have a gif file but don't know how to post it:damn:

[XabbaRus]

I'm sure HK saw him coming but it seemed LH didn't expect him to move out the way in that right hand corner.

[kranz]

yeah, maybe yes maybe not.LH won.But I'm concerned why Ferrari was so weak this race.Between the end of March and May they owned everyone. Now Kimi drives bad, he had serious problems with car the previous race etc.

[STEED]

Hey hey race day tomorrow. :lol:

Lewis is on pole.

[stabiz]

Heidfeld is in trouble.:hmm:

[Jimbuna]

Hey hey race day tomorrow. :lol:

Lewis is on pole.

...and points make prizes http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img144/2472/angrydriveral3.gif

[Konovalov]

Lewis Hamilton will be the world champion come the end of this season. He has the best car, has more desire and hunger (unlike Kimi), and mentally I think Lewis has gone to the next level as a result of his win at Silverstone where in the build up to that race he was subject to immense criticism and media pressure. I will be surprised if Hamilton makes any silly mistakes in the remainder of the season. The only question I have now is will he go on to dominate the sport like Schumi did for all those years? Certainly he has the talent and will to do it. :yep:

On todays race Lewis will cruise to the finnish line.

Come on Webbo, get back in the points today.

[kranz]

about 3 minutes ago Massa's engine said: Sorry my BR fellow-I'm tired of this race. DAMN!

[Konovalov]

Great drive by Glock. There on the podium and purely on merit.

Massa unlucky and probably deserved to win that race. He seemed to have the measure of Hamilton. And finally Massa showed some balls at the start getting past Lewis. Hard but fair racing.

BMW continue to go backwards while Toyota look to almost now be the best of the rest behind McLaren and Ferrari. All those years of Toyota pouring money into the team look to be finally paying off.

[Jimbuna]

Congratulations to Kovalainen and Glock..... the seventh different winner in Hungary in seven years.

[stabiz]

Why the hell did Ferrari give Rakkonen that much fuel in the first stint?

[STEED]

What a bore. :zzz:

Turned off after 10 laps and I don't give a shat who won. :p

I picked up my book I'm reading and found that far more interesting.

So far two great races and one good one is a poor showing from F1, come on we want action suspense, spills and thrills not this boring shat most of the time.

[Dowly]

GJ Heikki! And congrats for the first win! :up:

I'm starting to REEEAALLLY dislike Hamilton. The director is showing him alllll the time, no matter what P he's in! And I'm curious to see how will HK's position change after this on the team. After the last race, where HK was "kindly" asked to let Hamilton pass, there was an article in a finnish paper pretty much hitting the nail says "If nothing goes wrong with Hamilton's car, Heikki will not win any races in the remaining season if there's a change for Hamilton to win."

Hamilton's Mclaeren's golden boy, no matter if he can drive faster than Kovalainen, they want him to win. And dont get me even started with the tone of his skin! (and no, that wasnt a racist remark. Hamilton being the first black F1 driver to win the championship would be a HUGE PR success for Mclaren.)

[stabiz]

What a bore. :zzz:

Turned off after 10 laps and I don't give a shat who won. :p

I picked up my book I'm reading and found that far more interesting.

So far two great races and one good one is a poor showing from F1, come on we want action suspense, spills and thrills not this boring shat most of the time.

:rotfl:You might find that things sometimes happen after the first 10 laps. Jeees.

[Jimbuna]

Still a little over 85% of the race to go :doh:

[STEED]

You might find that things sometimes happen after the first 10 laps. Jeees.

Then its time for a big radical shake up that will shake the very foundations of F1. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

You might find that things sometimes happen after the first 10 laps. Jeees.

Then its time for a big radical shake up that will shake the very foundations of F1. :yep:

Aye....Bernie and Max running naked ahead of the pole car with a 20 second headstart, singing, 'cath me if you can' :smug:

[antikristuseke]

Button seriously hurt in an F1 accident (http://pascal.albertyorban.be/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/f1crash.jpg)

[Jimbuna]

hehe :lol:

[bert8for3]

:rotfl:

........

Looking forward to Valencia. Interesting new track, longer lap (IIRC expecting around 1:37). Should (could) be a good race (fingers crossed).

[XabbaRus]

GJ Heikki! And congrats for the first win! :up:

I'm starting to REEEAALLLY dislike Hamilton. The director is showing him alllll the time, no matter what P he's in! And I'm curious to see how will HK's position change after this on the team. After the last race, where HK was "kindly" asked to let Hamilton pass, there was an article in a finnish paper pretty much hitting the nail says "If nothing goes wrong with Hamilton's car, Heikki will not win any races in the remaining season if there's a change for Hamilton to win."

Hamilton's Mclaeren's golden boy, no matter if he can drive faster than Kovalainen, they want him to win. And dont get me even started with the tone of his skin! (and no, that wasnt a racist remark. Hamilton being the first black F1 driver to win the championship would be a HUGE PR success for Mclaren.)

Come on Dowly. You seem to be surprised at all this. I don't see a reason to dislike Hamilton for it, he hasn't engineered the situation and he is bloody fast and like it or not faster overall than HK. I never saw people getting this worked up in the MS era when it was bloody blatant and admitted he was number 1 and he was shown on the telly all the time.

I also don't see why people get so upset at HK being asked to move over. I thought that had been dealt with already.

[antikristuseke]

This qualifying was interesting, quita a few surprises in the places some drivers took.

[Jimbuna]

Hamilton is looking predatory in no2 position though http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img144/2472/angrydriveral3.gif

[bert8for3]

Nifty track, although a bit barren of spectators in places, but maybe just wrong impression from cam views. I like that bridge.

[kranz]

:up: :up: :up: :up:
MASSA OWNED ALL!!!!

EDIT: Racist remarks unacceptable here. 10 days in the Brig. -- NS

[antikristuseke]

The race was as I expected, no passing and Coulthard crashes into someone.

[XabbaRus]

Looking at the time LH finished a smidgen behind Massa...still sets things up for a close champioship. However saying that I wouldn't be happy for Massa to get the WDC, not because I really like LH but because in terms of skill I think KR, LH or RK would be more deserving. Massa has driven well the past couple of races but I still have my doubts overall.

[Jimbuna]

:up: :up: :up: :up:
MASSA OWNED ALL!!!!

go have a banana Lewis!
:/\\chop :/\\chop :/\\chop

:roll:
Charmed...I'm sure :nope:

[Konovalov]

:up: :up: :up: :up:
MASSA OWNED ALL!!!!

go have a banana Lewis!
:/\\chop :/\\chop :/\\chop
Dislike a driver for his driving style, attitude, and behavior but there is no need to resort to racist mockery such as yours. :nope: :nope: Pull your bloody head in.

For the record I am no Lewis fan but it sickens me seeing so much hatred for a driver just because of the blokes skin colour.

And that had to be the most boring race of many boring races this year. :down: Can't wait for next year minus all these stupid looking aero bits and bobs. Congrats to Massa who drove a faultless race and was a deserving winner. He was perfect all weekend. :yep:

[Captain Vlad]

Is being all rascist toward Lewis Hamilton really that common? Seems odd from the state I sit in.

[STEED]

Nice to see a new circuit even if the race was a little on the droll side, good news for KR as the team can not have more words with him about his poor driving as the car was to blame this time as the engine went boom. Massa is shaping up to be the new No.1 driver as Kimmi seems to lost the plot. Well done to our top driver Lewis keep pushing your make it one day.

[stabiz]

Wohooo, hope to see this young countryman in F1 soonish:

http://www.crash.net/motorsport/gp2/news/168168-0/ebbesvik_reveals_gp2_testing_plans.html

[kranz]

no comments.Mr "conceited" won. What happened during last 3 laps coz I had a dinner. What happened with Raiko and Alonso and wtf with Heidfeld?????

[STEED]

Lewis Hamilton is the new rain man what a great final 5 laps they were. Well done Lewis on a great win. :up:

Raikkonen lost his bottle and took a trip in to the wall, Farrari should make Massa there No.1 man now. Nice steal by Heidfield for third spot.

Monza next week.

[XabbaRus]

Caught the last two laps. Hamilton managed to keep it together with a couple of offs. Got the lead back then lost it then got it back and Raikonnen spun just out of a corner and hit the wall.

KR would have won had the rain not come but that's racing. Good job to LH for keeping it together in the rain.

[bert8for3]

A heck of a last 3 laps. I have no "favourite" these days. So was sorry to see Raikkonen go off, but LH managed the conditions better, or was plain luckier.

[Linton]

Hamilton has been given a 25 second penalty and has been stripped of his win!!

[XabbaRus]

Farce, he gave the place back. I think MM will appeal....Whiting said they hadn't broken the rules in his opinion.

[kranz]

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/07092008/58/hamilton-stripped-belgian-gp-win.html

GOD EXISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!:rock: :rock: :up: :up: :up: YEAH, YEAH, YEAH

MASSA OWNED ALL(once again):up: :sunny: :sunny:

[STEED]

Once again the steward's gets there big wet tongue out and shoves it right up Ferrari's ass. http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/images/icons/icon8.gif

Hamilton has been stripped of No.1 win and demoted to No.3 spot. :nope:

What a load of BULL SH*T from the steward's! Hamilton let Rakkinon pass him after LH came off the run off area in front. McLaren are appealing.

[STEED]

I wonder what went through Hamilton's head during that last lap, didn't he know that being agressive and passing an opponent to win in F1 would get him into trouble ? :roll:

He let Rakkinon pass him before taking the lead again, stupid bloody ass hole steward's.

[STEED]

I wonder what went through Hamilton's head during that last lap, didn't he know that being agressive and passing an opponent to win in F1 would get him into trouble ? :roll:
He let Rakkinon pass him before taking the lead again, stupid bloody ass hole steward's.

I was being sarcastic :D IMO he did a great job, Raikkonen couldn't do anything and totally lost it when trying to. I guess the stewards don't like it when there's actually some great show. It's so much more exciting to see the runner-up win the race in his bedroom 1 hour after the checkered flag :damn:

I'm just thumping mad at them bastard steward's who are the biggest load of bloody Pri*ks on this planet.

[Jimbuna]

Definitely an injustice for LH here :nope:

[STEED]

Definitely an injustice for LH here :nope:

Jim please arrest those bloody steward's and lock them up. ;)

[Jimbuna]

Definitely an injustice for LH here :nope:

Jim please arrest those bloody steward's and lock them up. ;)

No prob...we'll make the charge 'being in possession of an offensive attitude' or perhaps we could take them into custody on the grounds they are in need of protection.

http://www.bostonblueyes.com/blog/cop-prisoner.gif

[STEED]

:up: :up: :up: :up: :up:

[Linton]

The Bolt does not like LH and is firmly a Ferrari fan.It is his game and I am sure the stewards do as they are told.LH drove the best and he deserved to win!

[Jimbuna]

The Bolt does not like LH and is firmly a Ferrari fan.It is his game and I am sure the stewards do as they are told.LH drove the best and he deserved to win!

Agreed http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[XabbaRus]

Who is the Bolt?

[Kapt Z]

A heck of a last 3 laps. I have no "favourite" these days. So was sorry to see Raikkonen go off, but LH managed the conditions better, or was plain luckier.

Agreed! I hope the stewards come to their senses and give LH his 'win' back. No foul play that me or the wife saw. Some of the best racing of the whole series. I love Spa.

[Bort]

Spa= Best race of the Season, for sure!:yep:
Lewis Hamilton is indeed a driving god, he held his nerve and kept the car in it when Kimi pushed it too far and suffered the consequences. I think now more than ever that Hamilton is a legend in the making.

[kranz]

yeap-there is an international treason and everyone involved wants to hunt down LH. How about Massa's 10k penalty when leaving pit-stop? Stop crying like little p.....If he is as good as he is esteemed here he will get the title.

[XabbaRus]

There's a difference between a 10K penalty and a 25 second penalty...

[kranz]

there is a difference between cutting the corner to gain advantage and overtaking someone already outlapped...

[McBeck]

Kranz....backoff on the namecalling...OK ? :arrgh!:

[XabbaRus]

He didn't cut the corner to deliberately gain an advantage, he went round the outside and KR forced him onto the rough as they both locked brakes and was the only option lest they both go out (imagine the hoo ha had LH not done so) he then slowed down and let KR ahead before the start line....

If you look at the replay LH was ahead in the corner too.

[Linton]

Who is the Bolt? Bernie Ecclestone.He was interviewed at the end of last season by ITV and was asked if he was supporting LH at that race and he gave the interviewer a withering why should I look.He knows that LH is good but does not want a repeat of the Schumacher years when F1 was boringly predictable.
Ferrari do as they are told by him whereas Ron D is a little less under the thumb.

[HunterICX]

Formula 1 is something I barely watch now,

due the fact they have turned RACING into a Game with the most silly rules.
Drivers cant race as when they do take the risk they get punished, they make up silly rules like that drivers have to change between Soft and Hard tires...let them drive what THEY want.

LH punishment is the perfect example of how screwed Formula 1 has become, I'm not a fan of him but I do NOT agree how they punished him or actualy that they punished him at ALL its just WRONG.
he did what we like to see...he took a fight on with Raikonen, he won the fight and too bad for raikonen he took too much risk and crashed, better luck next time.

Racing is taking Risks, if you dont take risk its watching a Merry Go Around for 2 hours :nope: too bad Formula has gone downhill this much to be fun to watch.
also I heard during the Spa race that they are going to modify the track, if they touch Spa I stop watching Formula 1

the only thing I watch now what is still about racing is MotoGP

HunterICX

[Dowly]

Cry cry cry! :nope:

Funny how the common sense and rules are forgotten when one's favorite is being "wrongly treated". :roll:

Hamilton was the one overtaking, he didnt get completely past Räikkönen on the corner, so Räikkönen had every right to remain on his line, Hamilton just kept on squeezing to the same line and instead of braking, he decided to cut the corner. Fair penalty.

[bert8for3]

Absolutely ridiculous (edit/add: and which btw I say without LH being my "favourite"), LH gave the place back by at least the distance he was off KR's gearbox prior to the chicane.

How many races have been wrecked by decisions made by these moronic stewards?

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Where does this 25 seconds come from anyway? Is that a penalty rule, or (which I imagine is more likely) roll a die and multiply by 5?

[Dowly]

Absolutely ridiculous (edit/add: and which btw I say without LH being my "favourite"), LH gave the place back by at least the distance he was off KR's gearbox prior to the chicane.

But how much time would LH have lost if he would've braked instead of cutting the corner? ;)

[bert8for3]

LH had better grip than KR at the time. Granted the distance between them would have opened up a bit with the "accordion" effect, but LH would have closed on exiting with his better grip. Net result imho not much change in the relative positions as they were prior to entering the chicane.

[asanovic7]

Massa had to be punished last race with a drivethru penalty.. So that this punishment for Lewis is 100% rightfull.. But it is!
Very nice to hear from lewie boy very much and deep bs to explain his very nice move.. "Kimi was not fair".. Should let me go in the corner before chicane.. :rotfl: Spoken by a driver that drives on the edge of suicide and kill(like they all should!).. Very nice!

FORZA FERRARI

[stabiz]

Cry cry cry! :nope:

Funny how the common sense and rules are forgotten when one's favorite is being "wrongly treated". :roll:

Hamilton was the one overtaking, he didnt get completely past Räikkönen on the corner, so Räikkönen had every right to remain on his line, Hamilton just kept on squeezing to the same line and instead of braking, he decided to cut the corner. Fair penalty.

I agree. Hamilton was on the outside, and you cant pass there, so he just desided to use a part of the track where there should be gravel.

[STEED]

He didn't cut the corner to deliberately gain an advantage, he went round the outside and KR forced him onto the rough as they both locked brakes and was the only option lest they both go out (imagine the hoo ha had LH not done so) he then slowed down and let KR ahead before the start line....

If you look at the replay LH was ahead in the corner too.

Spot on. :yep:

I stayed up to watch the highlights to watch it again and LH did the right thing. Don't forget LH muffed up handing the lead back to KR who in turn muffed up giving it back to LH then KR went for a spin in the wall.

The steward's have in this case made a bloody mighty error of judgment. On TalkSport radio every caller said that judgment was wrong & some of the callers were not fans of LH but they saw the injustice of the steward's.

[asanovic7]

Good thing all callers were from...

It was not an error, Hamilton is a bit overcocky and drives and talks like that.

And can you explain me one thing?

Why bother with chicanes and turns when you can go straight? :rotfl: Hamilton was ahead before of the turn, yes, but he left too much space, Kimi used it which drove off Lewis out of the turn(after all he was on the outer side of the turn) and Lewis did I think 5 such overcomes in his career so far, maybe more, what was wrong then and what is wrong now with Kimi?
After that, Lewis used the "straight way" to get in the back of Kimi(wind advantage) which is not defendable. Not fair move, fair punishment! And Lewis's statement showed he is really cocky and a little cheeky.. Like all champs.. :rotfl:

That was not a fair overcome and I think you all feel like it, just because you root for someone doesn't mean you have to be less than objective..

[kranz]

The steward's have in this case made a bloody mighty error of judgment. On TalkSport radio every caller said that judgment was wrong & some of the callers were not fans of LH but they saw the injustice of the steward's.

fortunately it is the stewards that are to decide, not the "callers"(:rotfl: )
But I agree that: 25 sec. are not a "clear" penalty and LH slowed down enough to pass Kimi and still managed to overtake him. But is is called sport. Was it fair that Massa's engine exploded at Hungaroring?

[Jimbuna]

[quote=XabbaRus]
The steward's have in this case made a bloody mighty error of judgment. On TalkSport radio every caller said that judgment was wrong & some of the callers were not fans of LH but they saw the injustice of the steward's.

Come and sit next to me STEED and I'll explain.

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/6109/fiamaxmoseleyki8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[antikristuseke]

Just as formula 1 racing is starting to look like it should the stuards go and ruin it. That was a horrible descision and I dont really even like Hamilton all that much.

[XabbaRus]

Absolutely ridiculous (edit/add: and which btw I say without LH being my "favourite"), LH gave the place back by at least the distance he was off KR's gearbox prior to the chicane.
But how much time would LH have lost if he would've braked instead of cutting the corner? ;)

You're saying he deliberately cut the corner to get an advantage, he ended up with no choice or else him and Kimi would have been taken out and then there would have been a hoo ha..

[stabiz]

So what? You are not allowed to get a run on someone outside the track, regardless of what ever happened prior. Thats the point. If Lewis had tucked in behind Kimi (which he should have done, being on the outside) he wouldnt have made that pass.

[antikristuseke]

According to the telemetry from McLaren Hamilton was going slower than Räikonen after his off track excursion, he allowed him to pass like he was supposed to.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/9/8334.html
McLaren insisted they had little choice but to appeal the stewards' decision, given that Hamilton had immediately surrendered the lead back to Raikkonen on the start-finish straight, before then passing the Finn going into the La Source hairpin.

"We looked at all our data and also made it available to the FIA stewards," said the team. "It showed that, having lifted, Lewis was 6km/h slower than Kimi as they crossed the start-finish line. Having passed the lead back to Kimi, Lewis repositioned his car, moving across and behind Kimi to the right-hand line and then out-braked him into the hairpin. Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal."

[XabbaRus]

So what? You are not allowed to get a run on someone outside the track, regardless of what ever happened prior. Thats the point. If Lewis had tucked in behind Kimi (which he should have done, being on the outside) he wouldnt have made that pass.

what do you mean you can't make a run on the outside of the track? He got the run up the straight...

[Konovalov]

I'm no Lewis fan but what happened yesterday was just plain wrong. My favourite track both for watching F1 on the tv and on my computer with GP4 has sadly been the scene for one of the most disgraceful events ever in the history of motorsport. Dumbfounded, gobsmacked, shocked and still in disbelief at the stewards decision. :down:

Niki (smokin) Lauda summed it up best for me:

"Hamilton did nothing wrong," said Lauda. "He was on the outside, and then let him (Raikkonen) by, which is the rule. Then afterwards he passed him. There was nothing wrong from Hamilton.

"There was nothing special in what happened. Hamilton did the right thing in letting him by, and then passed him. It was an absolutely perfect drive from Hamilton."

And:

"This is the worst judgement in the history of F1," Lauda told Reuters. "It's absolutely unacceptable when three (stewards) influence the championship like this."

You tell em Niki. :yep:

[Konovalov]

I was also a bit puzzled when Kovalainen got a drive through penalty, ending his great come back to the front places. Ok he sent weber in the gravels but you can't say it was on purpose, I mean, that's racing, things happen. I don't watch much F1 but Spa is a beautiful track so I made an exception and watched it from the start, and it's a shame victory has to be decided in a cozy room 1 hour after the race ends.
He took out my man Webber and got what he deserved with the penalty and then justly running out of gears on the last lap to finally pull over with a box full of neutrals. :lol:

Seriously though, the penalty Kovi recieved was entirely consistent with the rules and with previous races in F1 this year. The move by Heiki was a rookie style half-baked should I or shouldn't I attempt at passing. You expect to see that from the blokes at the back of the grid. Even worse was his poor explanation of the events after the race:

“But I knew I had the car to claw things back and was making good progress until I came up alongside Mark Webber at the final chicane.


I knew I was faster than him, but maybe he didn’t realise I was on the inside and we touched, spinning him in front of me."

In motorsport terms to come up alongside another car means having at least half your own car level with the other. I have watched the replay half a dozen times and the furthest Heiki got was level with the rear wing and back end of the rear tyre of Webber's car. Webber was on the racing line and turning into the right hander of the first part of the chicane before the pit straight. Heiki was in no position to make the pass.

All he needed to do was sit on the gearbox of Mark's RBR4 over the start/finish line and pass him either at turn 1 or on the long straight following Eau Rouge with the superior horse power that the McLaren Merc has. At the end of the day Heiki failed to execute twice. In fact he failed to execute miserably in his start off the line and then in the doomed pass on Webber. A race to forget for HK.

[asanovic7]

I really wonder why they use chicanes and turns?

Ok, let's make it simple! Try this: get your friend(some who can run like you) to run straight, you run the chicane, then do everything the way that happened and bet for 10000 euros. I wonder what would happen.
Now..
Try imagine driving a 750 hp car after a chicane, to balance the way you get out of the chicane, to not spin, then be under pressure, then imagine you are fighting with one of the best who is on your back because he was going straight with no need for adjusting the speed and car.. Just concentrating on f..g you up.

Can anyone imagine that?

It was unfair from Hamilton! The guy practically admitted it by saying "Kimi was not fair, why should I be" !?!?! But,, I wonder what is that when Kimi was "unfair"?

It annoyed Kimi so much that he wanted to struck Lewis the next turn.. No wonder.. It was funny to me..

Anyways, why do you even think Massa can do it? Massa is a bad driver. Lewis is a next champ, don't be so worried!

edit: better worry over soccer team

[Hitman]

I can't believe it, no really I can't believe such a disgusting an stupid comment by Hamilton as I have readed. He said that Raikkonen "didn't have the balls to brake later" :o

This comment shows clearly the lack of class and arrogance of this stupid wannabe champion. An idiot who has written his own biography before winning any world title :nope: and he has the guts to make such a comment on a man who had won races long before him, on different teams & cars, and has already been world champion.

Lewis is nowadays the faster driver on the track, his talent is superb and if someone deserves to be champion this year, that's him. But as a person, as a human being, he really is disgusting :down:

[stabiz]

I agree, and Kubica was shocked when he heard Hamiltons response to some of the drivers, who agreed Hamilton deserved a penalty. Lewis said "I guess thats easy to say when you are not winning."

Anyway, the quali today was hilarious!:rotfl:

Go Vettel!

I am pretty sure Hamilton, Kimi and Kubica are all on dry setups, as opposed to their opponents. And with parc fermé, they will have the advantage in the dry, which the race is predicted to be.

[STEED]

Anyone in to S&M and at Monza? Good news Spanky Max Mosley is in town to give you some tips. :p :rotfl:

[STEED]

Monza grid

1st Vettel
2nd Kovalainen
3rd Webber

6th Massa
14th Raikkonen
15th Hamilton


Shaping up nicely for an interesting race.

[kranz]

"LH had his car set to a dry track-that's why he was 15th today"

I will LMAO if BBC forecast is true for tomorrow.

[Konovalov]

Lewis is nowadays the faster driver on the track, his talent is superb and if someone deserves to be champion this year, that's him. But as a person, as a human being, he really is disgusting :down:
I agree entirely with your views on Hamilton as a driver and a person. :yep:

At the start of Q3 I predicted that Vettel would get pole position because I feel that he is a more talented driver than Heiki particularly in those wet conditions where car disparity is cancelled out somewhat. Happy also for my man Webber to take P3. :up:

[Konovalov]

"LH had his car set to a dry track-that's why he was 15th today"

I will LMAO if BBC forecast is true for tomorrow.
The main reason Hamilton is where he is is due to the poor tyre choice and timing in getting out on track which was made by him and his engineer. Makes it all very interesting for raceday.:up:

[XabbaRus]

Well if LH keeps his head and it is a wet track and they are predicting bamp/wet conditions all he has to do is get a good start keep in touch with the Ferraris and wait for them to drop off the track. Massa can't drive in the wet and KR though I'[m not sure about his wet weather skills is let down by the car.

[Jimbuna]

This has all the makings of an excellent race....weather depending :up:

[Kapt Z]

It was great to see the whole Torro Rosso team going beserk! You would think they had won the race!

The wife and I got quite a laugh when they tapped into Vettel's radio and all you heard was ecstatic screaming. Good for him.

If nothing else, that first turn will be interesting.

[XabbaRus]

If it is a wet race I predict carnage on the first corner.

[STEED]

If it is a wet race I predict carnage on the first corner.

Like this.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pakodbFxnxE

[Konovalov]

Well if LH keeps his head and it is a wet track and they are predicting bamp/wet conditions all he has to do is get a good start keep in touch with the Ferraris and wait for them to drop off the track. Massa can't drive in the wet and KR though I'[m not sure about his wet weather skills is let down by the car.
Problem for Lewis is that if it is very wet race at the start tomorrow the last thing you want is to be stuck in the mid field and caught up in someone elses accident. It's a bit different at the front of the grid where it is less likely to happen. If it is wet at the start like todays GP2 race then there is definately going to be some mid-field chaos going into the turn one right and left chicane. So along with a lot of skill he is probably going to need some luck aswell.

[Jimbuna]

Rush hour at Picaddilly Circus :lol:

[stabiz]

Arg, woke up to early, the race is still a long time away.

[Konovalov]

"LH had his car set to a dry track-that's why he was 15th today"

I will LMAO if BBC forecast is true for tomorrow.
The main reason Hamilton is where he is is due to the poor tyre choice and timing in getting out on track which was made by him and his engineer. Makes it all very interesting for raceday.:up:
Having watched a replay of quali again this morning I have changed my opinion of the effort by Lewis in the Q2 session ever so slightly. I realised that Hamilton was lapping a lot slower than other cars on the same tyres in the last 5 minutes. Perhaps his setup contributed to this and/or maybe his confidence was down for whatever reason.

I think the forecast for today at Monza is some light rain. If so bad news for Ferrari and great news for Mclaren.

[kranz]

I think the forecast for today at Monza is some light rain. If so bad news for Ferrari and great news for Mclaren.

as far as I "know" Ferrari also had their cars set for dry track-at least one of them so...??

[mcf1]

Wow! First the pole for Vettel and now a win, my congrats to him and to his team

[Hitman]

Well, well, well......

A young proud guy in the top of the podium, the german hymn sounds first and then the italian....sounds familiar to me :D

AMAZING performance, what a huge star is coming :up: Heikki Kovalainen riding a McLaren didn't even come close.

And the most impressing things is not having broken Alonso's record, but the fact that Alonso achieved his first victory with a fast Renault and Vettel has done it with an ex-Minardi :o

Other than that, Hamilton repeats his usual score:

1) Best driver in the wet. My hat is in my hand to his driving skills, what can I say, he was simply the best.

2) Disgusting and bad taste comments with total lack of modesty like "Had it not been for the weather I would have won", plus dirty maneuvers against Glock and specially Webber, when he recovered his position.

Fortunately for him the title is awarded to the best driver, and not to the best person. Otherwise he would be last in the championship and with a huge difference :down:

What I find most disgusting in Hamilton is how un-english he is. Britians have done good and bad things in history, but if they have excelled in something that's in sportsmanship and gentlemanship when losing. Yes they have no mercy when winning in crushing superiority conditions (Which they usually seek) but in turn they know how to win desperate battles and how to lose with honor. Stuck in my mind are the examples of Graham Hill, Nigell Mansell, Damon Hill and many other drivers who have been the best when winning and when losing.

This idiot Hamilton isn't definately in that league. Shame for Britain, they deserved someone better.

[Jimbuna]

Well done Vettel...very well deserved :up:

[XabbaRus]

Other than that, Hamilton repeats his usual score:

1) Best driver in the wet. My hat is in my hand to his driving skills, what can I say, he was simply the best.

2) Disgusting and bad taste comments with total lack of modesty like "Had it not been for the weather I would have won", plus dirty maneuvers against Glock and specially Webber, when he recovered his position.

Fortunately for him the title is awarded to the best driver, and not to the best person. Otherwise he would be last in the championship and with a huge difference :down:

What I find most disgusting in Hamilton is how un-english he is. Britians have done good and bad things in history, but if they have excelled in something that's in sportsmanship and gentlemanship when losing. Yes they have no mercy when winning in crushing superiority conditions (Which they usually seek) but in turn they know how to win desperate battles and how to lose with honor. Stuck in my mind are the examples of Graham Hill, Nigell Mansell, Damon Hill and many other drivers who have been the best when winning and when losing.

This idiot Hamilton isn't definately in that league. Shame for Britain, they deserved someone better.

And that has been the problem with British sportsmen for a long time that has become ingrained in the British psyche. Losing is fine no worries. I'm quite grateful that we have someone fired up to win and that is what counts. Too much in the UK have we been proud of coming second. Tim Henman comes to mind. As for dirty moves, well that is racing. Everyone seems to forget that Senna and MS weren't the cleanest of drivers and they actually deliberately took other drivers out, Senna Prost Suzuka, MS with Hill in Australia and Villneuve at Silverstone I think. You get someone who will race and defend a position and it is criticised. Once upon a time in F! you could block and weave to stop someone getting by, now it is one move only to cover the racing line. Mansell was a star at that. It was something Indycar complained about when he went over there and used the same tactics.

Hands off to Vettel though. It is good to see new blood on the podium and regardless of the weather it was a great drive. I hope next year in the REd Bull we can see some great stuff beacuse it is a good car as shown by Webber, its a pity DC drives it like a pensioner on a Sunday, though in F1 terms he is.

[Kapt Z]

Sometimes the gods smile at you.....

Great win for both SV and TR! Plenty of chances to choke for both and they kept their cool. BRAVO!! :D

[antikristuseke]

Incredible drive by Vettel, the new king of rain.

[HunterICX]

Great Race,
lots of action going on the track and a great Victory for Vettel and also a good 2nd and 3th place for Kovolainen and Kubica :up:

HunterICX

[Dowly]

Haha, Hamilton is making lots of enemies among the racers. This time it's Alonso judging how LH cut infront of him after passing he passed Alonso and Glock said he'll push LH out of the track the next moment he gets to revenge the LH's push. :rotfl:

[XabbaRus]

Glock should be off the track anyway. When are the guys going to figure out why it is called motor racing? I think for too long they have been wrapped up in cotton wool with you can't do this do that etc...All's fair in love and war.

[Jimbuna]

Glock will probably do himself a serious injury in the attempt. :lol:

[STEED]

Good race at Monza, bring on the night race next. :up:

[SS107.9MHz]

Anybody know any site where you can see the races? It's been 3 years since Portuguese TV gave up on the F1, so the only way we can get it would be thru the web or payperview...:down:

[Falkirion]

Well we're all going in cold for the next race. Singapore GP, first night race ever held under lights for F1 in the modern era.

Im looking forward to seeing how well its run, circuit layout looks interesting.

[Hitman]

Glock should be off the track anyway. When are the guys going to figure out why it is called motor racing? I think for too long they have been wrapped up in cotton wool with you can't do this do that etc...All's fair in love and war.


I hope that I will have the chance to quote these words again when LH gets paid with his own coin :D

[XabbaRus]

Fine if Glock is ballsy enough and can catch LH. Toyota isn't usually in that position.

KR squeezed LH at Spa, LH squeezes Glock at Monza.

Before these sort of moves never drew comment now they do since F1 has become so sanitised.

[stabiz]

Wow, if you dont see the difference between those two incidents you must be new to racing.

[XabbaRus]

No I have been watching racing for a long time and I really do not see any difference between the two.

I also do not think that LH deliberately squeezed Glock off the track. I saw it from a different angle and Glock wasn't up along side LH.

You know before Hamilton came on the scene I have never read such a hoo ha about those sort of moves by other drivers even in the MS era or with Senna and Prost, but with LH everyone is claiming foul.

[kranz]

You know before Hamilton came on the scene I have never read such a hoo ha about those sort of moves by other drivers even in the MS era or with Senna and Prost, but with LH everyone is claiming foul.

yeap, I told ya few posts ago-it is an international treason against LH!

[Dowly]

You know before Hamilton came on the scene I have never read such a hoo ha about those sort of moves by other drivers even in the MS era or with Senna and Prost, but with LH everyone is claiming foul.
yeap, I told ya few posts ago-it is an international treason against LH!

So? :p

[antikristuseke]

No I have been watching racing for a long time and I really do not see any difference between the two.

I also do not think that LH deliberately squeezed Glock off the track. I saw it from a different angle and Glock wasn't up along side LH.

You know before Hamilton came on the scene I have never read such a hoo ha about those sort of moves by other drivers even in the MS era or with Senna and Prost, but with LH everyone is claiming foul.

Im with you here, that kind of manouvers were what made racing exiting in the past. Hell, take a look at Massa vs. Kubica in Japan at the end of the 2007 season, they both forced eachother off track at times, but noone complained back then and I dont see why they are complaining now.

You can see here what I am talking about (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mE_K3AewNE)

Wish there was more tire to tire battles in F1 where they literaly force eachother into tight spots adn to the edges of the tracks. More racing with balls than with just regulations.

[XabbaRus]

Missed that first time round. What was going on there was worse than anything that happened in the last two wet races. I twas great, wheel bumping, forcing each other off, cutting corners and the other guy having to go round. That is what racing is all about.

[kranz]

You know before Hamilton came on the scene I have never read such a hoo ha about those sort of moves by other drivers even in the MS era or with Senna and Prost, but with LH everyone is claiming foul.
yeap, I told ya few posts ago-it is an international treason against LH!

So? :p

good that LH has fans, good that he is a good driver but bad when they cry when he is not first. Mclaren did everything to kick Alonso, now their Star is supposed to shine more but everyone is against. Coming back to penalty for LH-as I said before it wasn't "clean" 100% but F1 had dozens of examples like this. The regulations that antikristuseke mentioned kill the fight-maybe that's good mby not. Forza Ferrari.

[Hitman]

but with LH everyone is claiming foul

Let me tell you an old joke:

A man drives his car in the highway, starts the radio and suddenly a breaking news is heard: "Warning! Warning to all drivers in the M2 Highway" -Hu? That's me- thinks the driver "There is one dangerous mad driving in inverse direction, stay clear to avoid collision!"

The man raises his head to peer thorugh the windshield and schocked by what he sees yells: "One??? There are ******g dozens of them!!!!"

Everybody is claiming foul with LH....might it be that it REALLY is foul? :roll:

[XabbaRus]

I'm not crying that he is not first or didn't win the race. I'm annoyed because LH has driven in a similar manner to some of the other great drivers - not that that makes him great - but there was never the groundswell of complaint from the drivers about Senna, MS etc but with LH there is.

I call it sour grapes......

[Hitman]

I think that probably the reasons for that different treatment are:

1) That those great drivers did such things once they were already champions or very veteran

2) I can't remember right now Schumacher, Senna or any of those saying that their rivals didn't have the balls to brake later. Much less if their rival was a well renowned driver and already world champion before them.

It's Lewis´arrogance and lack of modesty (Again, without ever having won anything) what angers people so much, me thinks.

[bert8for3]

Hamilton's appeal re Spa was heard today, with ruling supposed to come out tomorrow.

Odds on stewards' decision being reversed: 1 in 700 billion is my guess. :know:

[Kapt Z]

I hope they do rethink their decision, but I am not optimistic either.:-?

[Dowly]

They wont change the decision anymore at this point, me thinks.

[HunterICX]

Thinking the same here,

HunterICX

[Jimbuna]

No change in the initial decision :nope:

That would set one helluva precedent :hmm:

[bert8for3]

No surprise.

Leaving aside the question of how one views the whole affair, and the outcome (inc the reasoning that the stewards' decision was unappealable in the first place), FIA seriously needs to re-work its image from the ground up :yep:

[Linton]

Why was a Ferrari barrister allowed to cross examine hamilton at this inquest?F1-Ferrari1!!!!:nope:

[XabbaRus]

That was my question too. And from what I have read Lewis stuck it back to him pretty well.

The FIA was never going to reverse its decision as that would show that they screwed up.

[Konovalov]

No surprise.

Leaving aside the question of how one views the whole affair, and the outcome (inc the reasoning that the stewards' decision was unappealable in the first place), FIA seriously needs to re-work its image from the ground up :yep:
Agreed on all counts. :yep:

[bert8for3]

Why was a Ferrari barrister allowed to cross examine hamilton at this inquest?F1-Ferrari1!!!!:nope:

Agreed! Ferrari was not an injured party here. Raikkonen went off, entirely of his own doing, so he didn't have any standing to complain. Massa simply benefited by getting more points than he otherwise would have, but that doesn't put him in a real complainant situation imho.

[Jimbuna]

The best response he can give now is to go out and win a couple of the remaining races http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img144/2472/angrydriveral3.gif

[Kapt Z]

No surprise.

Leaving aside the question of how one views the whole affair, and the outcome (inc the reasoning that the stewards' decision was unappealable in the first place), FIA seriously needs to re-work its image from the ground up :yep:
Agreed on all counts. :yep:

yes.:yep:

[bert8for3]

Looking at some night photos of the Singapore circuit on motorsport.com, it may be floodlit, but imho it still looks like night. Granted the circuit is lit, but there are still shadow areas and looking down a straight the mid to far distance gets a bit darkish. Could be the photos, mind, but still. Got to affect your depth perception to some degree. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Konovalov]

Want to take good pics in that environment will probably require a camera with a fast lense (f number 2.8 or so).

[XabbaRus]

It will be interesting.

[antikristuseke]

Hopefully it wont pan out like Valencia.

[Konovalov]

Hopefully it wont pan out like Valencia.
Now that would be really bad. The boredom would be enough to put me in a coma.

[antikristuseke]

Agreed, would like the last F1 race i see this season to be exiting.

[stabiz]

Here is a pic of what to expect with next years regulations:

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/128/1222092945vu3.jpg

Painfully ugly rear wing, but I like that it will allow cars to follow each other much more closely through corners. Less areo grip + more mechanical grip = orgasm.

[Hitman]

....plus slick tyres :hmm: which are much more forgiving when sliding.

Wonder how Lewis Hamilton's drive will look like on slicks. Given that he already is by far the one who countersteers more in the grid (And that with grooved tyres!) it will sure be amazing to see him on slicks :up:

[Jimbuna]

I think he will soon learn to adapt.

[XabbaRus]

Singapore looks good, Alonso fluked a last lap fastest time in 2nd practice. OK the guy is very good and it is a good lap considering Renault I'd say is behind BMW in terms of the cars overall pace. However I think it was a low lap blast as he's done this before and then there has been nothing in the race. Though he might surprise us.

I do swear though that if Alonso shaved off his eyebrows he's gain a few tenths.

[bert8for3]

Wow! That's quite the visual treat :|\\ . Don't know about overtaking, which is said to be very difficult, but a great looking track. Those lights seem to do the job.

That pit lane entrance is badly spotted :o , right on the racing line for the corner into the start/finish. The exit isn't in a good place either, feeding straight into the first corner. You'd think they'd have seen that coming.

Massa did a fine lap to take pole :up: . Running a bit lighter?

Too bad about Alonso. Off all the things, fuel feed. Pretty basic :huh: , seems to me.

Should be fun to watch this race.

[XabbaRus]

Hopefully LH will win. I'm golfing tomorrow so will miss the excitement.

[Linton]

I feel that the FIA(Ferrari International Assistance) and the Bolt do not want him to be champion!Massa would be an unworthy champion.

[Jimbuna]

Hopefully LH will win.

I certainly hope so :yep:

[antikristuseke]

I think Kubica could use another win, but unless someone runs either Massa or Hamilton off the road (Yes, I am looking at you mr. Coulthard) or there are some technical difficulties, I fully expect those two to duke it out on the track.

[kranz]

just n/c. Give car to ******* no-skill br ****=hell on track. Total retard without brain. To be 4,5 sec ahead and become 15th with hose attached to the car. N/C

[Jimbuna]

Well done Alonso :rock:

Rosberg 2nd and LH 3rd :up:

Whatever happened to Massa...out of the points :lol:

[stabiz]

Alonso!:rock:

[antikristuseke]

just n/c. Give car to ******* no-skill br ****=hell on track. Total retard without brain. To be 4,5 sec ahead and become 15th with hose attached to the car. N/C

Did you actualy watch the race or do you just enjoy talking ****?
Im really geting tired of your crap tbh, if you had actualy paydatention you would have seen that the indicator in the ferrari pits showed a green light for the driver to go BEFORE the damned fuel hose was detached. That incident was caused by the team, not by Massa.

[Hitman]

Bad times for all Kimi fans :down:

It is obvious that he is reaching the lowest point in his career, where is the consistent iceman of the past? He qualifies badly, starts badly and only after many laps starts to pick up momentum -when it's already too late- My only consolation is that the only way now can be UP. I hope to see him next year fully motivated again and fighting for teh championship.

Add to that Ferrari's efforts to screw up this championship -even with FIA's assistance:roll: - like has happened to Massa in this race, and it seems that the title fight this year is rather poor. Hamilton deserves to be champion with a better oposition, he would beat them anyway but winning his first title against such a disastrous Ferrari team will not do justice to his skills.

[bert8for3]

Good on FA for the win! A bit of luck helped, but he drove a nice race. Ironic it was his teammate's prang that put him back into it.

There was some passing after all (the predictions), which was nice :up: .

[stabiz]

Bad times for all Kimi fans :down:

It is obvious that he is reaching the lowest point in his career, where is the consistent iceman of the past? He qualifies badly, starts badly and only after many laps starts to pick up momentum -when it's already too late- My only consolation is that the only way now can be UP. I hope to see him next year fully motivated again and fighting for teh championship.

Add to that Ferrari's efforts to screw up this championship -even with FIA's assistance:roll: - like has happened to Massa in this race, and it seems that the title fight this year is rather poor. Hamilton deserves to be champion with a better oposition, he would beat them anyway but winning his first title against such a disastrous Ferrari team will not do justice to his skills.

Yes, but like Heidfeld he is struggling with the Bridgestone tires, and a bad quali = uphill struggle every weekend. Its wierd to see him like this, and even though I am no Ferrari fan I hope he bounces back next year.

[XabbaRus]

I feel for KR but stuggling with the Bridgestones when Ferrari have been so tied in with them.

Maybe he just doesn't care now. I bet KR will walk.

He always makes me smile when he talks////

[kranz]

just n/c. Give car to ******* no-skill br ****=hell on track. Total retard without brain. To be 4,5 sec ahead and become 15th with hose attached to the car. N/C

Did you actualy watch the race or do you just enjoy talking ****?
Im really geting tired of your crap tbh, if you had actualy paydatention you would have seen that the indicator in the ferrari pits showed a green light for the driver to go BEFORE the damned fuel hose was detached. That incident was caused by the team, not by Massa.

First part was about this idiot N.Piquet-but it seems that it was you who didn't watch the race. Second was about Massa-at least u understood this. And watch your manners. Something tells me that you wouldn't be able to respond for what I should say as a pay back so let's stop here...

[bert8for3]

Some glimpses of possible 2009 car configuration ... http://f1around.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/um-vislumbre-de-2009/ http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2008/09/18/2009-f1-rules-make-rear-wings-tiny/

[robbo180265]

just n/c. Give car to ******* no-skill br ****=hell on track. Total retard without brain. To be 4,5 sec ahead and become 15th with hose attached to the car. N/C

Actually I'm with antikristuseke , the way you've written this Kranz certainly gives the impression that your whole rant was about Massa.

Also as antikristuseke says , Massa had the green light on the stupid light system that Ferrari are (or will it be "were") using and that means it was the pit crew's fault not Massa. Perhaps this wasn't mentioned by your countries commentary?

I agree with a lot of other people here in that I want Hamilton to win , I just wish the competition was a little better lol :D That said I did laugh an awful lot when the hose c*ck up happened (well as soon as the guy stood up after being bowled over by Massa's car)

[Konovalov]

Just as poor for the Ferrari team was how slow the pit crew were to react and get down the end of the pit lane to remove the fuel nozzel. It seems to be no coincidence that the departure of Ross Braun and Jean Todt has seen a drop in reliability and a litany of mistakes by Ferrari this year. I don't see Ferrari winning this year nor do I think they deserve to.

[Dowly]

Just as poor for the Ferrari team was how slow the pit crew were to react and get down the end of the pit lane to remove the fuel nozzel. It seems to be no coincidence that the departure of Ross Braun and Jean Todt has seen a drop in reliability and a litany of mistakes by Ferrari this year. I don't see Ferrari winning this year nor do I think they deserve to.

IIRC, the pitcrew was shown running over to Massa from their pit just few seconds after Massa stopped. But it was that the Ferrari's pit was on the other end of the pitlane. Atleast that's what our commentary said. :hmm:

[XabbaRus]

Now the Ferrari director is moaning about the Singapore track. I know he criticised it before the race began but I bet he wouldn't be moaning if Massa had won.

Also his comment about new circuits being a circus..well Ferrari did supply the clowns.

[Konovalov]

Also his comment about new circuits being a circus..well Ferrari did supply the clowns.
:lol: :lol: Now that was a good one.

[HunterICX]

Just as poor for the Ferrari team was how slow the pit crew were to react and get down the end of the pit lane to remove the fuel nozzel. It seems to be no coincidence that the departure of Ross Braun and Jean Todt has seen a drop in reliability and a litany of mistakes by Ferrari this year. I don't see Ferrari winning this year nor do I think they deserve to.

IIRC, the pitcrew was shown running over to Massa from their pit just few seconds after Massa stopped. But it was that the Ferrari's pit was on the other end of the pitlane. Atleast that's what our commentary said. :hmm:

They where focussing on getting Kimi back on the track first...as he was just arriving when Massa left.

also there was traffic in the pitlane so the pitcrew had to be carefull at first.
and then he was just before the exit of the pit.

Ferrari must dump that stupid light system and put the lollipop guy back on full time.

HunterICX

[Hitman]

Good notes Konovalov, and I would add the departure of Michael Schumacher. He was well known for being very demanding in details and always requesting precision.

On a side note, I have never been a huge Massa fan, specially since I saw him driving in the wet in Silverstone (Of course the McLaren is by far the best car in the wet, and not coincidentally Alonso also made an impressive overtaking manouver last year over Felipe's Ferrari also in the wet), but to his credit and the polemic Spa penalty nonwithstanding it should be noted that he leaded the Hungarian GP with autority when his engine failed, and the he was leading well the Singapur GP when the stupid lights system of Ferrari ruined his race. Plus he made a good overtaking movement over Hamilton in dry conditions, (Who had the smaller balls there to brake late, Lewis? And who had them in Spa last year when Alonso and you went side by side to Eau Rouge in Spa? :roll: ). Thus, even if Lewis is a better driver in the wet and probably also in the dry (though by a lesser margin) I must admit that Felipe has also done merits to be crowned champion this year. Not as many as Lewis, who is a more complete driver, but his abilities have been proven.

[stabiz]

My ranking of the top drivers in F1 at the moment:

1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Raikkonen
4. Kubica
5. Massa / Vettel

I cant base this on other things than impressions from the seasons so far. The reason I rate Kimi higher than Felipe is because I think Kimi is having problems with the car setup/ tires this year, he just doesnt look like himself. And he has always dominated his teammates in earlier seasons, including Massa.

As for Alonso and Hamilton, both can be ***holes, but I think they are the best we have seen since Schumacher.

Kubica is on the list because the knowledgeable in the pit lane says he is that good, and because Lewis said he is the only driver he fears.

And Vettel has completely crushed Bourdais, a really good driver.

[Jimbuna]

Ferrari must dump that stupid light system and put the lollipop guy back on full time.

HunterICX

No problem ;)

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/8831/gglitterax1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Konovalov]

So that is where the scumbag has been hiding here in the UK. :down:

[VonDos]

Poor Ferrari >_<

[Hitman]

The reason I rate Kimi higher than Felipe is because I think Kimi is having problems with the car setup/ tires this year, he just doesnt look like himself. And he has always dominated his teammates in earlier seasons, including Massa.


Yeah, but Fernando also went from Michelin in Renault to Bridgestone in Mclaren in 2007 and look how well he did it. Besides, Kimi was champion last year with the Bridgestones already, so no excuses for that :hmm:

I personally think that what happens to Kimi is a personal problem of motivation/attitude. Having won last year's championship has not been the best thing for this year's morale.

Never mind, the reason I like him more than other drivers is not just because of his talent and amazing driving when he is concentrated, but because of his attitude of macho-driver from past eras like the 70s, when racers smoked, partied and went with girls the night before the race. I somehow have never liked the modern hyperyoung-super-cyber-ultra-professional athletes like Alonso or Lewis, as they make the competition less human and romantic to my eyes. Of course that's the way to win, as has happened in all sports (Compare soccer players from the 70s and from nowadays), but Kimi's title last year was for me a wellcomed boost of fresh air, of rebellion against a way of engaging the competitions that alienates the participants a lot. Alonso and Lewis were both moulded as champions from their youngest age, they started racing in karts with three years! :o The adaptability and skills of their bodies when they still were childs has been carefully moulded and modified as if they were dogs or race horses in favour of one skill: car racing.

And I hate that way of doing things. It's not human, it's artificial :nope:

[stabiz]

Hehe, I hear you. Kimi once said he admired James Hunt. And we all know he is the coolest F1 driver ever.

Lookie here:
http://home.online.no/%7Eorjanbye/fyfazanf1/objektivet/arkiv1/james_hunt_1976.jpg

[robbo180265]

Hehe, I hear you. Kimi once said he admired James Hunt. And we all know he is the coolest F1 driver ever.

Lookie here:
http://home.online.no/%7Eorjanbye/fyfazanf1/objektivet/arkiv1/james_hunt_1976.jpg

Brilliant photo Stabiz - my new computer wallpaper when I get home:up:

[Hitman]

GREAT ONE Stabiz!!! :rock:

Those were the giants, and compared to them modern drivers are just dwarfs :smug: (Except Kimi!)

[stabiz]

There is a great story about James Hunt. They were practising at Hockenheim, I beleive, back when it was long, fast and awesome, and the team lost contact with Hunt when he was in the woods at the far end of the track. The team got worried and sent out a car to find him, fearing he had crashed horribly. They found him parked nicely besides the track, sleeping in the cockpit. He was hung over.:rotfl:

[stabiz]

Btw, Kimi Raikkonen entered a snowmobile race home in Finland as James Hunt. Ferrari was pissed.:lol:

[bert8for3]

And we've all seen this Kimi interview, of course ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHUkHbgAtM ... a real character in the old style :up: :up:

[Dowly]

And we've all seen this Kimi interview, of course ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HHUkHbgAtM ... a real character in the old style :up: :up:

I like his style, just like me. To heck with the PC even when viewed by millions on telly. :up:

[Hitman]

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=-VW2oAkjcJ4&feature=related

My hero :rock: :rock:

Having a life as he has, training that little, smoking, drinking and partying that much.....how much talent must one have to be F1 World Champion against the supertrained and ultra professional nearly-monks Alonso and Hamilton :lol:

If Kimi did a fitness and training program and had a sober life like Alonso, he would rule the F1 for many years :arrgh!:

[bert8for3]

WT...??? Montreal dropped from the 2009 calendar. ... http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=44176 ... http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2008/10/07/f1-montreal-removed.html . :nope: :nope:

It doesn't take much to see the hand of one Bernie E in this :down: . He's griped about the Montreal track facilities for a long time, and despite an upgrade last winter, he no doubt still feels they're sub-par and that on top of it the way forward for F1 is to hold races in places like Abu Dhabi. Nothing against Abu Dhabi as such, but it seems that all the older tracks are under threat in favour of the new "stadium" tracks (with zilch character imho), and except for the jazzy street circuits. A big :down: in the direction of Bernie E or whoever is responsible for this decision.

edit/add: I see there's also talk that it's economics ... http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20840.html . I could be wrong, but my own take is that while there may be an issue there, the Montreal race organizer is pretty adept at working things through and that finances would not be an insurmountable obstacle. I still see Bernie E's axe grinding away :down: .

[Hitman]

Long ago there were cheap F1 games that, to cut costs, added fantasy tracks (No royalties). So you had a "desert grand prix", and "tropical grand prix" and such. Of course people laughed if not complained about such ridiculous ambience to race with F1s :roll:

As always, reality ends up being worser than human's imagination :damn: How long until F1 races in subacuatic circuits or thematic parks a la Need for Speed? :hmm:

[Konovalov]

WT...??? Montreal dropped from the 2009 calendar. ... http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=44176 ... http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2008/10/07/f1-montreal-removed.html . :nope: :nope:

It doesn't take much to see the hand of one Bernie E in this :down: . He's griped about the Montreal track facilities for a long time, and despite an upgrade last winter, he no doubt still feels they're sub-par and that on top of it the way forward for F1 is to hold races in places like Abu Dhabi. Nothing against Abu Dhabi as such, but it seems that all the older tracks are under threat in favour of the new "stadium" tracks (with zilch character imho), and except for the jazzy street circuits. A big :down: in the direction of Bernie E or whoever is responsible for this decision.

edit/add: I see there's also talk that it's economics ... http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns20840.html . I could be wrong, but my own take is that while there may be an issue there, the Montreal race organizer is pretty adept at working things through and that finances would not be an insurmountable obstacle. I still see Bernie E's axe grinding away :down: .

This just stinks. :down: Thanks for the bad news. :cry:

[Jimbuna]

Is there no end to greed and politics in sport :nope:

[stabiz]

Times
01 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:18.404
02 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:18.644
03 H. Kovalainen McLaren 1:18.821
04 F. Alonso Renault 1:18.852
05 F. Massa Ferrari 1:18.874
06 R. Kubica BMW 1:18.979
07 J. Trulli Toyota 1:19.026
08 T. Glock Toyota 1:19.118
09 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:19.638
10 S. Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:20.167
11 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:18.187
12 N. Piquet jr. Renault 1:18.274
13 M. Webber Red Bull 1:18.354
14 K. Nakajima Williams 1:18.594
15 N. Rosberg Williams 1:18.672
16 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:18.835
17 R. Barrichello Honda 1:18.882
18 J. Button Honda 1:19.100
19 A. Sutil Force India F1 1:19.163
20 G. Fisichella Force India F1 1:19.910

I think we will have a good race tomorrow, considering Massa is probably carrying more fuel that the guys ahead of him (with Q1 and Q2 lap times in mind). Could it be Ferrari has fueled him heavy so they can wait longer with regards to strategy if the weather changes?

If not Hamilton has bagged it, me thinks.

[Hitman]

Well I think if the championship was played inversely, on the basis of NEGATIVE points, Hamilton adn Massa would still have the lead :88)

Hamilton attacked hard with a stupid and childish move on turn one after a disastrous start, but Massa, not willing to leave to the briton the title of dumbass of the race managed to beat that some corners later by making a kamikaze attempt to overtake. Had Lewis been more patient, he would have catched up later as he is the best in the one vs.one, and not in the melees, but he screwed it. And had Massa also been more patient, he would have raced to the podium and the championship lead.

In my scorebook, again Lewis did better than Massa and still deserves to be world champion more than the brazilian, but if they join their forces together, I'm sure they will be able to hand the title over to Kubica in the last two races.

As for the stweards....I better make no comments or I will be banned here :damn:

Schumi & Häkkinen please, consider a come back or this ex-sport will bury itself soo deep in s**t that it will be better called undeground dirt race :roll:

[Konovalov]

Good post Hitman.

Credit to Alonso for winning two on the trot in a signifcantly inferior car compared to McLaren and Ferrari. He shows his class and skill as a driver once more. Just look at the driver standings. Alonso is just 3 points behind Heiki Kov. That says much about both Alonso and Kovalainen as drivers.

Not sure what was going through Hamiltons mind this morning. But as you said Hitman, he deserves to win the F1 Championship this year before Massa.

[XabbaRus]

I think it is the pressure and expectation Brits have on someone with a chance. Also he is young and maybe, just maybe MM should have loaned him to a lesser team for a season or two.

In terms of pure talent he is u[ there with Alonso and KR. He just need to calm down.

2 races left and all he needs to do is come second in both even if Massa wins both. LH will then win by one point..

[badhat17]

Good post Hitman.

Credit to Alonso for winning two on the trot in a signifcantly inferior car compared to McLaren and Ferrari. He shows his class and skill as a driver once more. Just look at the driver standings. Alonso is just 3 points behind Heiki Kov. That says much about both Alonso and Kovalainen as drivers.

Not sure what was going through Hamiltons mind this morning. But as you said Hitman, he deserves to win the F1 Championship this year before Massa.
The Renault is nothing like being inferior to anything else on the grid. Never have I seen such a close level of performance between the teams. Looks to me that somebody was listening in France when criticism was levelled recently about the performance of the Renault motor and they have found some extra horses. Now the chassis is showing it's true worth and Fernando has responded to that.

[Konovalov]

The Renault is nothing like being inferior to anything else on the grid. Never have I seen such a close level of performance between the teams. Looks to me that somebody was listening in France when criticism was levelled recently about the performance of the Renault motor and they have found some extra horses. Now the chassis is showing it's true worth and Fernando has responded to that.
I was talking about the whole package (Renault the team), not just the engine Badhat. Yes Renault have gotten closer to the front but they are not on par with Ferrari or McLaren. At the start and midway through the season they were no where and struggling midfield. McLaren and Ferrari have been at the front from race one.

[stabiz]

True, Konavalov. Alonsos two victories are staggering, but at the same time we saw Piquet post very quick laps this weekend.

[Konovalov]

I cannot believe the stewards decision against Bourdais. The tangle after exiting the pits was at worst nothing more than a racing incident which did not even warrant a investigation by the stewards let alone the stupid penalty that followed. :damn: Ironically it gave my man Webber a point in the end. :oops:

[DeerHunter UK]

Bourdais just hasn't had any luck this season. Admittedly he looked very poor for the 1st few races but I think he's come on leaps and bounds during the 2nd half of the season only to suffer misfortune.

BTW I'm sorry to hear that we're losing Canada from the Grand Prix circuits next year, it was 1 of my favourite tracks. A real man's circuit, no doubt it'll be replaced by a circuit which has a ton of chicanes and no overtaking possibilities.
Oh and whilst I'm on my soapbox...bring back Hockenheim!!!

[Philipp_Thomsen]

I'm hoping Massa wins this year. He deserves. He's always the fastest on the track, always the fastest laptimes, struggling hard from beggining to end, and Ferrari has screwing him up badly in a lot of races, lots of bad luck. He was supposed to be with at least 30+ points that he is right now. It's not happening with any other pilot, just with him. Not fair.

[Konovalov]

He's always the fastest on the track, always the fastest laptimes,
I think that you are stretching it a little there Thomsen. :lol: It is not entirely out of the realms of possibility that Massa and Hamilton may continue to stumble over each other in the final two races hence allowing Kubica to pinch the championship. Now that would be worth watching. :D

[XabbaRus]

MM have screwed up LH as well. Massa did have a couple of brain fade moments at the start of the season too....as has LH.

[Konovalov]

Meanwhile Robert Kubica is plotting and planning with his Rubik's Cube. :-j

[Jimbuna]

Meanwhile Robert Kubica is plotting and planning with his Rubik's Cube. :-j

LOL http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/eviljester2.gif

[Hitman]

Well done today Lewis :up:

That's the mark of a champion. Talk in the track, make a clean start, an imperial race, stay away from trouble and polemics. Faultless and admirable from beginning to end. A top performance and probably worth the championship by now.:yep:

[Konovalov]

Agree with you on those sentiments Hitman. :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Well done today Lewis :up:

That's the mark of a champion. Talk in the track, make a clean start, an imperial race, stay away from trouble and polemics. Faultless and admirable from beginning to end. A top performance and probably worth the championship by now.:yep:

Very well put sir....looks like the penultimate step to the title. http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[stabiz]

Props to Hamilton for driving a solid race today, nobody could touch him, but I`m afraid I missed parts of it. This has to be one of the most boring races since 2004?

But ... the Ferraris will now both have new engines for the last round, while Hamilton will have to use his China engine. This means the red devils will have massice revs and full blast. I am putting money on a homeboy Massa win, he did after all move over for Raikkonen last year at the same track.

All Hamilton will have to do is remember he is not racing the Ferraris in Brazil, he only need 5th place to clinch the championship. (Strangely, thats the EXCACTLY the same scenario as last year:huh:)

So, Hamilton WDC and Ferrari WCC is my bet.

[bert8for3]

The Mayor of Montreal, a provincial (Quebec) government minister, and a federal government minister are travelling to London today to meet tomorrow with Bernie Ecclestone in an effort to save the 2009 Canadian GP.

I had to chuckle on hearing His Worship saying that they were going to "negotiate" with Bernie. Somehow I don't think it's going to work that way. Estimation of cards held by Bernie vs cards held by the "Negotiators": 52:0

Could be a good concept for a new TV show, though. ... "The Negotiators" ... a team of crack negotiators intervenes to break through the toughest negotiating logjams :rotfl:

[Bort]

The loss of Canada is more than ridiculous. I just don't understand how all of North America will have no GP while Spain gets 2! Don't get me wrong, Spain is a great country, but Valenica is a real yawner of a circuit and I don't see how one country gets more races than a continent with more than half a billion people living in it! I say F1 needs not only Canada, which is a great race, but a street race in the US (Chicago, New York or DC) to bring F1 back to prominence in America, and a race in Mexico as well! I understand that F1 is a European sport right now but I think that there is a huge potential motorsports audience in the US that is looking for a racing series that features MODERN cars that make left and right turns.:damn:

Also, looks like Ferrari is getting fed up with Mosley's plans for spec engines (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/7694009.stm):hmm:

[Hitman]

but Valenica is a real yawner of a circuit

Tell that to me! :roll: I was born and live here in Valencia, and the F1 circuit is one of the most disgusting wastes of money I have ever seen (And there have been many around here lately). Not just because we had already a good -and F1 approved- circuit in Cheste (40 km away from Valencia, where MotoGP raced this last weekend), not just because it has meant a lot of trouble for people living nearby, not just because of the huge and unacceptable cost of building it, but simply because it provides one of the most boring races of the calender. A total disaster in my opinion, and if I'm not wrong, looks like it even LOST money in the F1 race. Oh, and another stupid thing was to make the race in August....when everybody is away from the city due to it being impossible to live here with the heat and the huge humidity.

[stabiz]

:damn: The race is too many hours away. Will it rain? Will Lewis survive T1 with Fernando beside him? Will Massa overcook? AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEGH!

[Jimbuna]

Short of a catastrophic mechanical failure or one of his peer group taking on the role of an assassin......LH for victory :up:

[Jimbuna]

Lap 13 of 71:

1st Massa

6th Hamilton

[Skybird]

That was the most dramatic, crazy and unbelievable season's finish I have ever seen.

[Syxx_Killer]

That was the most dramatic, crazy and unbelievable season's finish I have ever seen.

I'll agree with that. :lol: I was SO hoping Massa would get the title. When Glock slowed down to let Hamilton pass I couldn't believe it! :o

[XabbaRus]

Go Hamilton....

Lady luck once again...maybe they should have kept him on slicks instead of teh late stop for wet tyres.

anyway well done

[AJ!]

Fair play lewis hamilton.

Finally a Brit is back on top :up: :up: :up:

[VipertheSniper]

WHAT A THRILLER!!!!

Why can't every race be like this?

I don't think letting him stay out on slicks would've been the better choice, although he was pretty lucky to get his 5th place.

When Glock slowed down to let Hamilton pass I couldn't believe it!

I don't think he slowed so much down but didn't have much grip to accelerate with slicks in the wet.

[kranz]

I don't think he slowed so much down but didn't have much grip to accelerate with slicks in the wet.

so you didn't watch the race. How could he drive as fast as l.h and before last turn got overtaken? Pathetic trickery.

[Jimbuna]

Go Hamilton....

Lady luck once again...maybe they should have kept him on slicks instead of teh late stop for wet tyres.

anyway well done

Rgr that http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/images/smilies/palmas2maosfn8.gif

[VipertheSniper]

I don't think he slowed so much down but didn't have much grip to accelerate with slicks in the wet.

so you didn't watch the race. How could he drive as fast as l.h and before last turn got overtaken? Pathetic trickery.


I have watched the race... Glock didn't stop for intermediates. In the second last lap he was 5 to 6 seconds slower than Hamilton.

[XabbaRus]

I don't think he slowed so much down but didn't have much grip to accelerate with slicks in the wet.
so you didn't watch the race. How could he drive as fast as l.h and before last turn got overtaken? Pathetic trickery.

Um because it was raining more on that part for the track by that time..

[VipertheSniper]

I don't think Glock lost his position on purpose, he gambled with the tire choice and couldn't pull it off. In the second last lap he was 5 to 6 seconds slower than L.H. and I don't think the lapping of the cars he had to do helped his lap times either.

[XabbaRus]

I was all rady to throw in the towel but the last lap, I jumped up and down and scared my daughter....

I just hope there isn't any investgation for something minor.

[Jimbuna]

I was all rady to throw in the towel but the last lap, I jumped up and down and scared my daughter....

I just hope there isn't any investgation for something minor.

Poetic justice for the unjust penalty he suffered earlier :yep:

(LH, that is)

[Hitman]

OMG what a race :o :o :o :o !!!!

Talk about drama.....wewwww

Lewis finally is the deserved champion, kudos also to Massa who drove a fantastic race, even with the challenging conditions and with all the pressure on him.

But please Lewis spare us this all the next time, or you will kill a lot of fans through heartaches. It wouldn't amaze me if someone has died somewhere in the world because of this all, as it happens sometimes in soccer matches :doh:

[kranz]

I just hope there isn't any investgation for something minor.

The stewards should investigate glock's telemetry second after second to check whether he was breaking to help L.H Where big money start, fair play ends...

[Jimbuna]

I just hope there isn't any investgation for something minor.

The stewards should investigate glock's telemetry second after second to check whether he was breaking to help L.H Where big money start, fair play ends...


...and so beginneth the conspiracy theories :nope:

[XabbaRus]

Kranz is just upset that Kubica got knocked out of the running, which credit to him he was probably the most consistent of all the top 5 drivers this year.

[XabbaRus]

I feel for Massa though. He has shown he isn't a bad driver at all. He had a bad start to the season and drove more consistently than KR. He got some good wins and good poles.

I remember when he first came to Ferrari a lot of people thought it was because he wouldn't challenge MS, especially after his drive in Sauber where he didn't exactly light the fire.

He thought he had won it only for fate to stick it in. At least he has good grace and hasn't thrown a tantrum. The Brazillian fnas were upset though. Saying that I'm pretty sure UK fans would have booed Massa had he won a title decider at Silverstone.

[XabbaRus]

Just for Kranz.

This is a screenshot of the official F1 live timing screens showing the last lap.

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/1786/1225653923663if4bh9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/1225653923663if4bh9.jpg/1/w714.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img119/1225653923663if4bh9.jpg/1/)

If you take a look at Glock's time and Trulli's time they were almost the same. They were the only ones out on dry tires at the time.

Glock was having trouble at the end of the penultimate lap lost a cunch in the middle sector and then had to drive uphill on dry tires on the wettest part of the track.

Taking a look at other forums I can't understand how people cannot accept Hamilton won fair and square.