US Troops on Canadian soil? Or vice versa?

[SUBMAN1]

If I saw foriegn troops activily patrolling and armed outside my house, I would personally open fire. Something is wrong here.... http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=ba99826e-f9b7-42a4-9b0a-f82134b92e7e

-S

[bradclark1]

What would be the problem? If there is an agreement there is an agreement. All this does is pave the way if there is a need for us as well as them. I don't think you will see them cross just to go to a Kentucky Fried Chicken or McDonald's and they aren't Russians or Venezuelan. I really don't see an issue here. To me it's just common sense and a good idea.

[Tchocky]

In case of a civil emergency.

Natural disaster, maybe?

Yar, shoot 'em.

[Platapus]

What I don't understand is that if this agreement is all friendly and for the mutual benefit of all citizens, why was it not announced?

Did this even come up for debate in any of the congresses/parliaments?
And most importantly, who will profit monetarily from this agreement?

[Wolfehunter]

I see a bad idea here. I see erosion of people civil rights in each country. Because bigger military powers have bigger muscle to flex in smaller foreign lands and annex certain laws that would normally protect locals.

I know governments abuse powers and when they pass laws in secret well no citizen will benefit from it. Only select elitist interest groups will gain from lucrative close door dealings.:-? Anyhow thats my 10cents to this post. ;)

[mrbeast]

I think the significance of this could well be overstated.

Quite a few countries have US and UK forces stationed in them. Take Germany as an example. Largely the US has never needed measures like this and I'm sure Canadian or US troops would only ever cross the border in extremis. Most likely as someone posted in the case of a natural disaster or the like.

[Dowly]

If I saw foriegn troops activily patrolling and armed outside my house, I would personally open fire. Something is wrong here.... http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=ba99826e-f9b7-42a4-9b0a-f82134b92e7e

-S

Rrrright. :roll:

[August]

I'd be proud that the Canadians thought enough of us to help defend our nation and i'd be quite willing to help Canada defend their country from attack.

That's what good neighbors do.

[Dowly]

I'd be proud that the Canadians thought enough of us to help defend our nation and i'd be quite willing to help Canada defend their country from attack.

That's what good neighbors do.

Wow, it's been a good day for good posts today. This' just how it should be. :up:

[SUBMAN1]

I'd be proud that the Canadians thought enough of us to help defend our nation and i'd be quite willing to help Canada defend their country from attack.

That's what good neighbors do.It isn't helping us defend our nation that is at stake. It is for Civil Unrest.

which allows the military from one nation to support the armed forces of the other nation in a civil emergency.

THis is the government securing its back if the people don't go along with what they say. That is the problem.

-S

[Jimbuna]

I should imagine if either of the countries were in need of urgent military assistance, whether because of a disater or invasion, there would be almost automatic assistance given.

[SUBMAN1]

I should imagine if either of the countries were in need of urgent military assistance, whether because of a disater or invasion, there would be almost automatic assistance given.Thats the point - it is not about disaster or invasion relief. Its like our governments are expecting civil unrest from its citizens.

[Dowly]

I should imagine if either of the countries were in need of urgent military assistance, whether because of a disater or invasion, there would be almost automatic assistance given.Thats the point - it is not about disaster or invasion relief. Its like our governments are expecting civil unrest from its citizens.

Would that be a big surprise? And no pun intended, just asking your opinion.

[Blacklight]

This will finally pave the way for our planned invasion of Canada !!! MUAHAHAHAAA !

:D

[SUBMAN1]

Would that be a big surprise? And no pun intended, just asking your opinion.This Canada Mexico US idea is probably not going to go over real well once people realize whats happening, so no, it is not a big surprise. It means the death of the US of A as we know it.

Here is the big hurdle that gives people the right to stop it forcefully to:

Article I, Section 10, Clause 3: “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”

Congress is not involved on this one either.

-S

[StdDev]

Start preparing NOW!!!!


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From now on you will add "eh" (pronounced ay) to the end of every sentence!

[SUBMAN1]

Start preparing NOW!!!! true words!

From now on you will add "eh" (pronounced ay) to the end of every sentence!I wonder how the Frenchies are going to take this? Not to well I imagine.

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[fatty]

Here is the big hurdle that gives people the right to stop it forcefully to:

Article I, Section 10, Clause 3: “No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.”

Congress is not involved on this one either.

-S

But neither was a state involved. It was explicitly an agreement between NORTHCOM and CANADACOM. A lame loophole maybe but it is legit none-the-less.

Tchocky, you hit the nail on the head. Canadian troops have deployed to the United States before. The last time was Operation UNISON in 2004. Was it to suppress an insurrection? No: they were delivering relief supplies and aiding in reconstruction projects in the Gulf area after Hurricane Katrina. I'm not sure if they were armed or not but I think we all can agree that shooting them would be a bad idea. Part of the article addresses the circumstances necessary for sending troops; troops can and already have been sent, this just facilititates better co-operation between the two services.

"Are we going to see [U.S.] troops on our soil for minor potential threats to a pipeline or a road?" he asked.

Trew also noted the U.S. military does not allow its soldiers to operate under foreign command so there are questions about who controls American forces if they are requested for service in Canada. "We don't know the answers because the government doesn't want to even announce the plan," he said.

But Canada Command spokesman Commander David Scanlon said it will be up to civilian authorities in both countries whether military assistance is requested or even used. He said the agreement is "benign" and simply sets the stage for military-to-military co-operation if the governments approve.

"But there's no agreement to allow troops to come in," he said. "It facilitates planning and co-ordination between the two militaries. The 'allow' piece is entirely up to the two governments."

If U.S. forces were to come into Canada they would be under tactical control of the Canadian Forces but still under the command of the U.S. military, Scanlon added.

I think if there's ever a crisis along the border - hijacked vehicle, terror attack, environmental catastrophe - where lives are dependent upon the effectiveness and rapidity of your response, the force with the highest readiness and in the best position to act should. Pending, of course, for civilian requests for assistance, which the agreement demands.

[Hakahura]

If I saw foriegn troops activily patrolling and armed outside my house, I would personally open fire. Something is wrong here.... http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news/story.html?id=ba99826e-f9b7-42a4-9b0a-f82134b92e7e

-S
Perhaps you should bear that in mind next time a US servicman gets killed overseas.
Get a fecking grip, you are not being invaded.

There are armed US Troops here in the UK. Should I open fire?:rotfl:

Not sure whether laughter or pity is the order of the day here.

But I somewhat doubt Canada's bothered.

[Tchocky]

Over a million US troops have passed through Ireland over the last 5 years. Hmmm.

[SUBMAN1]

Over a million US troops have passed through Ireland over the last 5 years. Hmmm.Simple they are passing through. THey aren't there to suppress or kill UK civilians.

-S

[CCIP]

Actually, I believe any time you see armed men outside your house you should open fire, to neutralize their numerical advantage over you as quickly as possible. Who knows, I mean they might be trying to storm the place!

[Tchocky]

Over a million US troops have passed through Ireland over the last 5 years. Hmmm.Simple they are passing through. THey aren't there to suppress or kill UK civilians.
Oh I know. Hakahura's post just got me looking for the number.

Sure why would they come to Ireland to kill UK citizens anyway?

CCIP - I think that's why dogs bother mailmen..

[Hakahura]

Over a million US troops have passed through Ireland over the last 5 years. Hmmm.Simple they are passing through. THey aren't there to suppress or kill UK civilians.

-S

Nice one

You've just insulted the occupants of 2 different countries.
Buy an Atlas and read it!

:rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

Nice one

You've just insulted the occupants of 2 different countries.
Buy an Atlas and read it!

:rotfl:Excuse me - yes I did screw up there. I was refering to Tchocky's post so I was thinking the UK. Oops!!!!! :D

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[Jimbuna]

Oh.....the joys of the http://imgcash1.imageshack.us/img145/5803/snakeck4.gif

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[Tchocky]

Excuse me - yes I did screw up there. I was refering to Tchocky's post so I was thinking the UK. Oops!!!!! :D

-S
Wha?

[SUBMAN1]

Excuse me - yes I did screw up there. I was refering to Tchocky's post so I was thinking the UK. Oops!!!!! :D

-S Wha?Has nothing to do with you personally - just you = UK and the other post is from the same area (Well close enough - you could get to either country in a sailboat! :D). Oops! Do they call that a brain fart? :)

It must be getting time to go home and drink beer.

-S

[Tchocky]

just you = UK No. Different country.
Oops! Do they call that a brain fart? :) Something like that :)