Honestly, do icebergs sound remotely like merchant ships??

[Platapus]

This was the question I was asking my sound man. Playing GX2 with commander. October 1944 in AF41.

Radar contact long range. Four ships in single line convoy.

Track to intercept

Get a visual on icebergs (cool! First time I have ever seen one in the game)

Dive the boat and soundman reports merchant moving slowly at bearing of Iceberg

hmmm crafty Brits using icebergs to shield merchants? Never heard that one before.

Make my approach waiting for the merchant to poke around the iceberg. Soundman has good hit on four merchants....all on bearings of four icebergs

Hmmm Bernard is in the after torpedo room where he can’t hurt stuff too much. I have a pretty good senior soundman. But four merchants on bearings of four icebergs?

Lemme take a listen. I go to the soundroom and listen in on the bearing my trusted soundman is calling out merchants......nothing. I check all four “merchant” sound bearings and nothing.

I gives my soundman one upside the head. "Do icebergs sound even remotely like merchants on hydrophones?"

The radar hit I can understand but hydrophones?

I am thinking of putting my soundman on one of them icebergs so he can learn the difference.:88)

Sheesh, thought I had a four ship line up. Really need the tonnage.

Icebergs! My dyin arse. What next? :damn:

[Torplexed]

Don't be fooled mate. You're tracking a task force consisting of the massive new British flat top Ice Royal and her escorts.;)

http://neptoon.homestead.com/icebergflightdeck.jpg

[Platapus]

I knew it!!

[GoldenRivet]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk

:up:

[Platapus]

wow that is cool

[Graf Paper]

Keep an eye on those seals and walruses, too! :shifty:

Them sneaky Tommies wear rubber walrus costumes on those 'berg ships to fool an unwary kaleun! :o

[Brag]

Don't be fooled mate. You're tracking a task force consisting of the massive new British flat top Ice Royal and her escorts.;)

http://neptoon.homestead.com/icebergflightdeck.jpg

Torp. that's the Sacred Temple of Ice Royal :D

[Mush Martin]

hmmm crafty Brits using icebergs to shield merchants? Never heard that one before.



No kidding among the many wonderful crackpot notions and plans
such as say the Bates eight barreled bottle thrower. There was indeed
a real scheme (not set into development) to make a massive floating
airbase of reinforced sea ice to float over the larger atlantic air gap at the
start of the war. Oooh I wish I could remember the name of this project
and this crackpot I am sure I have it in allied secret weapons from ballantines illustrated history.
(that other great product that bears the name.)
I shall have to have a look for it.

M

[edit] here you go
http://www.navynews.co.uk/articles/2002/0201/0002010301.asp

[ReallyDedPoet]

hmmm crafty Brits using icebergs to shield merchants? Never heard that one before.



No kidding among the many wonderful crackpot notions and plans
such as say the Bates eight barreled bottle thrower. There was indeed
a real scheme (not set into development) to make a massive floating
airbase of reinforced sea ice to float over the larger atlantic air gap at the
start of the war. Oooh I wish I could remember the name of this project
and this crackpot I am sure I have it in allied secret weapons from ballantines illustrated history.
(that other great product that bears the name.)
I shall have to have a look for it.

M

[edit] here you go
http://www.navynews.co.uk/articles/2002/0201/0002010301.asp
If you have ever watched the Sea Hunters, they did an episode on this and actually dove the site where it was built.

Ship of Ice
- To protect Allied convoys during WWII, eccentric scientist Geoffrey Pyke proposed a manmade island of ice as a floating airbase. Now, in the atmosphere of the Canadian Rockies, the Sea Hunters dive into the mountain lake to find the ice island's prototype.http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=30946

An interesting episode to say the least.


RDP

[Torplexed]

Don't be fooled mate. You're tracking a task force consisting of the massive new British flat top Ice Royal and her escorts.;)

http://neptoon.homestead.com/icebergflightdeck.jpg
Torp. that's the Sacred Temple of Ice Royal :D
You're right! I believe the Inuit worship Balz and his sacred walrus skin tea cozy there. :D

[Blacklight]

Actually, you were tracking four merchants who were traveling in a convoy.. up north... and after they ran into SEVERAL snow squalls.

Did you think to check under the ice for the screws ? :D

[Steel_Tomb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Habakkuk

:up:

damn you beat me to it, was about to say the same thing.

[Platapus]

Actually, you were tracking four merchants who were traveling in a convoy.. up north... and after they ran into SEVERAL snow squalls.

Did you think to check under the ice for the screws ? :D

Having seen movies of surface ships and subs operating in the North Atlantic I can imagine this could happen. Some of the episodes of Victory at Sea had images of these powered "icebergs"

brrrrrrr

[Dowly]

Actually, I think it would be possible for an WWII era submarine to mistaken iceberg as an sinking ship. I've seen few documentaries and while the icebergs might look silent and just peacefully floating around, they make quite alot of noise. Mostly cracking sounds and whines. I did a quick search on youtube, only found this one clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5eij3iQX_A

[Jimbuna]

The ice ship.....due in a future version of GWX......perhaps http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/greywolftail.gif

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6168/theiceshipdb7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Mush Martin]

Nice one Jim.:up:

[Blacklight]

I'd imagine that the ice ship would have an interesting sinking mechanic.
:D

[Madox58]

Can't wait to see all the posts.
"It's a bug in GWX 2.1!! The Ice ship won't sink!!!"
:doh:

[Jimbuna]

@MM http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2589/winkbigid2nz2.gif (http://imageshack.us)
@privateer......Should put paid to the fridge magnet theory. No need for them on an ice ship. http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2379/scratchingchinzc6.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Gezur(Arbeit)]

Sink teh ICEBERGS!!!!!1111ONE

If it would sink by flooding? :hmm:

[Mush Martin]

Personally I Think development of either a thermite torpedo or a
diabolical heatray is obviously called for in this case.:hmm:

[edit]
Curiously the previously mentioned bates eight barreled bottle thrower
might have held the key to the solution. it was a proposed gatling like
launcher for the home guard that fired sealed bottles of phosphorous
latex and naptha. in a rapid fire stream out a few hundred feet maybe
for taking out tanks. it was presented but the authorities foresaw a possible
problem with surprised gunners opening the breach when a glass projectile
broke in the barrel or cooked off. so in its turn the weapon was rejected
"in multi barrel form"
the bottle would naturally break against the side of a tank in theory
and the latex and naptha would stick while the phosphour would light it all
off. quite horrible to be sure. but it certainly has potential as an anti ice
carrier weapon.

Interestingly this weapon or anything to do with it produces nothing when
you google it. a rare moment. I got it from ballantines illustrated history
"the guns 1939-1945" by Master Gunner first Class Ian V. Hogg R.A.
who observed on this subject that when the board rejected the weapon
they missed a real opportunity for what answer could be better to a grandchilds
question "what did you do in the war grandpa" than "Well ...
I was a gunlayer on a bates eight barrelled bottle thrower"


[edit2] I hereby challenge you Jimbuna to find a picture of that!

[Jimbuna]

Personally I Think development of either a thermite torpedo or a
diabolical heatray is obviously called for in this case.:hmm:

[edit]
Curiously the previously mentioned bates eight barreled bottle thrower
might have held the key to the solution. it was a proposed gatling like
launcher for the home guard that fired sealed bottles of phosphorous
latex and naptha. in a rapid fire stream out a few hundred feet maybe
for taking out tanks. it was presented but the authorities foresaw a possible
problem with surprised gunners opening the breach when a glass projectile
broke in the barrel or cooked off. so in its turn the weapon was rejected
"in multi barrel form"
the bottle would naturally break against the side of a tank in theory
and the latex and naptha would stick while the phosphour would light it all
off. quite horrible to be sure. but it certainly has potential as an anti ice
carrier weapon.

Interestingly this weapon or anything to do with it produces nothing when
you google it. a rare moment. I got it from ballantines illustrated history
"the guns 1939-1945" by Master Gunner first Class Ian V. Hogg R.A.
who observed on this subject that when the board rejected the weapon
they missed a real opportunity for what answer could be better to a grandchilds
question "what did you do in the war grandpa" than "Well ...
I was a gunlayer on a bates eight barrelled bottle thrower"


[edit2] I hereby challenge you Jimbuna to find a picture of that!

According to noted weapons expert Ian Hogg, the worst weapon ever developed was the “Bates 8-barreled Bottle Thrower”. This desperation weapon was designed in 1940, when England feared a Nazi invasion and the British Home Guard was desperately short of anti-tank weapons. This awesome wooden-framed projector used 8 tin tubes fitted with blank shotgun shells to propel glass bottles filled with a volatile mixture of napalm & white phosphorus. Hurling of the bottles demonstrated that the stickey compound could be quite effective in some circumstances. However, actually firing the weapon revealed a 1-in-6 in-bore failure rate among the bottles. Since there were 8 barrels, there is no existing model of this formidable engine of war . . . they all burned up during testing.

Here's the only similar weapon (single barrelled version) that has been published :up:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MuGsf0psjvcC&pg=PA212&lpg=PA212&dq=home+guard+bottle&source=web&ots=K4SBxeTFdL&sig=GcEEtI5_gVzCzf8n5bKPBlxM55E&hl=en#PPA212,M1

[Mush Martin]

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You truly are the best.:sunny:

[Jimbuna]

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

You truly are the best.:sunny:

Yes.....your right :lol:

:up: