UK Budget 2008

[STEED]

Well we are coming up to another one on the 12th March. I think it will be a bad one as Labour want to rake the money in before the big give away buying your vote in 2009 general election.

[silentrunner]

I said stinger. Probably be worse than what you predicted. Oh I sdee you changed your location again. Nice:rotfl::rotfl::|\\:|\\

[XabbaRus]

Stinger
Darling might be the sec. treasurey but Broon calls teh shots.
I hope to hell he loses the election in 09 when there has o be one. Cameron might not be much different but it is time for a change.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

There's really no need for a poll here STEED. They're already raking it in on every conceivable level, so why actually make any decent changes?

Sure, they'll propose a couple of things to make it look like they're doing something, but all it'll end up being is a ruddy great invoice to the British public. :nope:

[Letum]

The British public can't complain if they get what they voted for.

[STEED]

The British public can't complain if they get what they voted for.

Good point but a lot of voters stay at home on there fat rear ends and shout the odds, as far as I am concerned they have no rights on the grounds they failed to go and vote.

They can not get it in to there heads what they are doing is playing right in to the hands of the political system and the party's like it.


Back to the Budget we're had a couple of wet neutral ones so we are in for a bit of a claw back, the question is how much?

[Jimbuna]

I voted 'Stinger'....but let's be honest here STEED. Your still bitter your mate never took you with him when he jumped ship http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/7975/gigglebigtb9fg3.gif

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[Letum]

I know our armed forces could do with some extra cash and whilst I don't know about
schools nationwide, my local primary is in a sorry state and could use some cash for a
new roof. If not a new building!

I Would also like to see house prices subsidised for locals in my village. No one can
afford to live here anymore because the prices are so high that the houses are all
being sold off as holiday homes to outsiders that are only here fore a few months
each year. I don't think we should be forced out of our own village like that. I
suppose that isn't really budget territory tho.

If more spending means more tax, then I would prefer fuel, fags and perhaps VAT to
rise as opposed to business tax


However, all that is just from my perspective and not necessarily what is best for the
country. I don't pretend to be an economist.
Even if I had the draft budget to read I am not well informed enough to decide if it is
a good one in these economically troubled times of late. Budgets are always compromises
between different factors, so it certainly will be impossible to meet all interests.

[Kapitan]

YOU WANT FUEL PRICES TO GO UP :O!!!!

it averages 104.9p a litre as it is two years ago when i started to drive it was 78.9p per litre its not just the average joe who has to pay all that what about lorry and van drivers who work for companies it would mean either loose vehicles and staff to kurb the rising cost or just sell off the english side of the buisness and go abroad.

Since 2006 when prices began to sore Eddie stobart the biggest (or was) haulier in the UK sold more than 30 of his vehicles and now to make it alot worse he is transfering the bulk of his operations into polish hands 35% of his fleet now are left hand drive polish registerd and polish driven.

Thats because diesel has hit 114.9p a litre in poland its only about 73.9p a litre can you see the diffrence?

Keep raising the tax on fuel and people like me van / lorry driver will loose my job eventually if you want more tax on fuel go ahead but i really cannot see the average englishman being able to eat inside the next 15 years.

Its not just those haulier affected either Tesco have made over 100 redundancies for lorry drivers now sainsbury said goodbye to 40 so far, the law states a driver can only work 4.5 hours before a 45 min rest break then another 4.5 hours and 45 mins and one last 4.5 hour run before his 9 to 11 hour break.

VOSA know exactly why and have stated that 90% of lorry drivers stopped for being over thier hours were making up for company short falls.

2 years ago my brothers old motor you could fill up (bear in mind 1000 litre tanks) his two tanks (1500 litre total) for just under £1300 now its near the £2000 mark.

Thing is if you get rid of lorries and large vans your left with small 3.5 tonnes vans in the UK which means while ford is making a killing no one is going any where our roads cannot cope with the amount of congestion as it stands right now ! it would take 10 vans per single lorry load and if we have 1.7 million lorries both forign and english on our roads DAILY then you can see why we have a big problem.

Fuel prices need to be cut because we cannot keep up with European hauliers, for example Norbert Dentressangle the Biggest french company he is a huge hauiler thanks the the UK no not fuel prices but he can offer a service cheaper than a mainland UK haulier so we loose out in the end.

Since 2006 norbert dentressangle has doubled in size he has over 250 lorries in comparision stobart have now only got 160 and in over two years they have lost ****e loads of contracts because they cant do it any cheaper because of fuel they have lost alot of drivers and lorries to make up for this short fall, drivers have to work harder and longer which is illigal i might add it can cost you very dearly and can even mean a loss of licence.

everytime fuel goes up bus companies charge more 5 years ago i could get a bus to my local tesco store for 35p now its £1.40 and thats a single to go 1.5 miles it stinks, so in 5 years that a 105% rise.

everything in the UK has been on a lorry at some time you cant live without them yet the very product they need your saying we should increase the price so you want to pay alot more for everything? everything from the basics has been on a lorry without them we would have nothing at all period.

Go ahead then raise the fuel and lets see who does starve because i really cannot see the UK lorry drivers take much more crap from the clown of a prime minister.

Many of you moan that there are too many forign lorry drivers on our roads there is your reason fuel prices its simple as that gunna have to live with it arent we and i suppose i gotta find another job.

Thanks letum for the incite to rant :D

[STEED]

Not long to go now and even I think I may have got my prediction wrong. :huh:

[Konovalov]

Apparently the Govt are going to delay the 2 pence per litre tax increase on fuel. Why, how damned generous of them.

[Jimbuna]

Probably looking to an election next year.

[Letum]

Apparently the Govt are going to delay the 2 pence per litre tax increase on fuel. Why, how damned generous of them.
Generous!?
That's not generous! That means poorer police, poorer schools, hospitals and a under
funded army, pensioners that can't afford to stay warm, etc, etc unless they make up
the difference elsewhere.

Keeping fuel tax lower gives us cheaper fuel, but takes away the things that really
matter.

If they think they can get my vote that way they have another thing coming.

[Konovalov]

The Govt have already had a significant windfall from the increased VAT and North Sea tax revenues against the rising oil prices. And so little of that is going back into transportation, public transport, and roads. And the Govt are only likely delaying an increase at the present.

[STEED]

Waffle, waffle and more waffle from Mr Darling. Yes his surname is darling, for the benefit of the rest of the world.

Road pricing scheme coming in next year, the motorist hit again. The 2p rise in fuel has been put back to October. Note this will not stop the petrol cartel putting up the cost of oil.

And more Green Tax looks likely as Labour sets out to save the world from green house gases and global warming. What a load of BS, as if they could.

Good news for pensions a rise in winter fuel allowance which will be wiped out by council tax rise.


STEEDS VERDICT

BULLCRAP AND LIES

We are in the shat and Labour knows it.
Fiddle while England goes down the tubes.

[STEED]

Big Dave Cameron is ripping in to Labours lies and deceit. :huh:

Bloody Hell I may vote Conservative if he keeps this up. :roll:

[Tchocky]

Road pricing scheme coming in next year, the motorist hit again. The 2p rise in fuel has been put back to October. Note this will not stop the petrol cartel putting up the cost of oil. Oil price will go up anyway. Cheap oil is very much over.

And more Green Tax looks likely as Labour sets out to save the world from green house gases and global warming. What a load of BS, as if they could. The UK is way behind on their commitments, same as many EU countries.

Good news for pensions a rise in winter fuel allowance which will be wiped out by council tax rise. That's costing the fuel companies an estimated 1bn pounds. I'm suprised Darling had the clout to do it.

Haven't seen the budget yet, will post later.

[Jimbuna]

I must admit to feeling a tad sorry for Mr Darling (can you imagine being burdoned with that chestnut of a name all your life..........his parents either loathed having him from birth, or were a right pair of comediens with a fantastic sense of humour) :lol:

Talk about the organ grinder sending the monkey to do the work. :p

MAKE NO MISTAKE.....this budget was written by Gordon Brown. :yep:

As per usual, every new chancellor picks up the reigns left by the previous one.

We all know who the previous one was!!!!

Mr. Darling must have felt totally humiliated and undermined during the whole budget presentation. :nope:

Once more, England suffer at the hands of a Scottish person of questionnable sanity :doh:

Even STEEDS mate was slightly more pallatable :lol:

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[Captain Nemo]

Stinger
Darling might be the sec. treasurey but Broon calls teh shots.
I hope to hell he loses the election in 09 when there has o be one. Cameron might not be much different but it is time for a change.

Just to clarify when the Government has to go to the polls. Recent speculation puts the date of the next election in June 2009, however, the Government can hold out to the spring of 2010 should they wish to.

Nemo

[STEED]

All I can say is Brags new book was better than this budget, right jim?


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[Kapitan]

Out of idle curiosity letum do you drive? anything other than a motorbike?

[Letum]

Just my motorbike, but like everyone else I pay for fuel on every item I buy, especially food.
I do what I can to take an objective and universal view, putting aside my personal circumstances.

[Defiance]

Well it's done n dusted

We get stiffed yet again

Governments upped the usuals way above inflation saying it's due to economic/troubled times ahead (inho they are now getting caught out by cooking the books lol and are trying to straighten things out)

Really they spend on redundant things and recoupe via higher taxation, Usual fubar UK spending £1 to save 50p

Here's an eg for the rest of uk'ers, Every 16 billion pumped into the NHS 4 billion gets wasted lol

If all NI contributions (for none uk'ers that think our health service is free, This is a tax to fund the health service) went on the NHS we'd have a great health service

Another eg, Out of all road fund tax (car tax disc) 10% only gets spent on anything to do with roads/lights/repairs/by-passes etc etc

Makes me sick as in this country we have no control on parliament once the toss ers have been voted in (and they know it)

And as for the armed services needing money, Yes i couldn't agree more, But why on earth ask yourselves has the government kept brand new chinooks that are so desperately needed in eg afghanistan/iraq mothballed because of a row over the cockpit instruments, And as for the SA80, Why spend so damn much on an initial piece of **** and then the upgrades to allow it to function properly when theyre are equally or better weapons out there at a lesser price

Ohh and as for ID cards, I recall most of the western world condemming the eastern block for the ID card practice, Now because the damn government can't organise a pee up in a brewery to try and stop illegals etc we were all going to have to have ID cards, Now it seems it's going to be voluntary (unless your passport needs renewal then you have to have one lol) err laws are for law-abiding, If i was illegally in uk do you think i would sweat not having a card ? or guns, Shootings on the increase all the times and what are they ? Handguns mainly that were banned, So what has the handgun ban done ? absolutley nowt except law abiders owning and using handguns

Damn this country is more and more a nanny state and yet they can't grasp what most average people want or need

I swear most of mp's must of had too much lsd etc in the 60's while in their hippy youth

Rant over :) as i could go on and on and me teas done :D

Have Fun

Ciao

Def

[Jimbuna]

@STEED.....Rgr that http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/read2.gif

Better prepare yourself for seeing more of this on the UK streets before long if this keeps up.

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[XabbaRus]

Well having used the bbc's tax calculator I'll be approx. £1127 better off.

So not bad for me.

[Jimbuna]

Well having used the bbc's tax calculator I'll be approx. £1127 better off.

So not bad for me.

I suspect you'll find that the majority of low paid people, who have no savings, pay a mortgage or rent (including council tax), like to relax or socialise with the odd alcoholic drink, enjoy a cigarette and drive, will have a different perspective.

[STEED]

Well I done the number cruching and took in to acount some of there measures were long term and the answer is this.

STEED will be better going to prison in 2011. :D

Great all those Human Rights Liberals backing me to the hilt and the do gooders, nice cell called Sir by the prison warders and no more problems for a few years what a steal. :D :D

STEED now plans to Blow up the EU Parliament. :D :D :D



On a serious note time for further cut backs and next winter I will know what this pensioner saying means, Heat or Eat.

[Jimbuna]

Considering this is their third term in office and taking into account the financial mess this country is in......I should imagine the Scottish upstart is wringing his hands together knowing that the alternative (Conservative) camp is in it's worst state of readiness to mount a credible/serious challenge ever in it's history. :smug:

[Linton]

Idiot of the week award must go to the Minister for Education,Ed Balls.Whilst the leader of the opposition David Cameron was providing his response to the budget,Balls replied "So what!" when it was mentioned that we in the UK pay more tax than anybody else in Europe.
I do believe that Balls and his wife are both in parliament and are obviously very well remunerated for it-unlike the rest of us trying to earn an honest wage.I believe he is now denying he said it!:nope::nope:

[STEED]

Idiot of the week award must go to the Minister for Education,Ed Balls.Whilst the leader of the opposition David Cameron was providing his response to the budget,Balls replied "So what!" when it was mentioned that we in the UK pay more tax than anybody else in Europe.
I do believe that Balls and his wife are both in parliament and are obviously very well remunerated for it-unlike the rest of us trying to earn an honest wage.I believe he is now denying he said it!:nope::nope:

What's new?

They are all living in day dream land to one degree or another, British politics is dying before are very eyes.

[Linton]

This is from his wiki entry:
In September 2007, he with his wife Yvette Cooper (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvette_Cooper) were accused of "breaking the spirit" of Commons rules by using MPs' allowances to help pay for a £655,000 home in north London. It was alleged that they bought a four-bed house in Stoke Newington, north London, and registered this as their second home (rather than their home in Castleford, West Yorkshire) in order to qualify for up to £44,000 a year to subsidise a reported £438,000 mortgage under the Commons Additional Costs Allowance. This is despite both spouses working in London full-time and their children attending local London schools. Through a spokesman, Balls and Cooper countered the allegation by saying "The whole family travel between their Yorkshire home and London each week when Parliament is sitting. As they are all in London during the week, their children have always attended the nearest school to their London house.

[Tchocky]

I'd be very wary about that "highest taxes in Europe" claim. Sounds dodgy, and as far as I remember Denmark & Sweden top out the EU.