Two U.S. Marines are cruel!

[AdlerGrosmann]

http://www.tosspuppy.com/
:nope: These guys are not right at all. Two marines do an unthinkable thing to a harmless puppy.

[Platapus]

This story, if true (and it appears to be true) is a travesty on the honour of the United States Military.

These individuals, if found guilty, need to be severely punished and discharged from the corps so they can not contaminate the honour of the corps.

These asswipes have no business wearing the Uniform.

As a retired military man, this story disgusts me :nope:

[FIREWALL]

Very Disturbing. I'm at a loss for words.

[AVGWarhawk]

I viewed this yesterday. It does look like a legit video. Makes no sense at all. The psyco-anaylists claim it is a way of coping in the war zone. I do not believe it. Just looked heartless to me. A real horse arse this one. I see $1000.00 reward to kick his rearend. Perhaps a one way ticket over the cliff is in order. Disgrace to other Marines in uniform. His buddy in the video and the video taker is no better.

[AdlerGrosmann]

That is the first inhuman thing I have ever seen, taking a life out of this world that hasn't even caused harm to anything.

[FIREWALL]

I think this is far from over with. He doesn't represent the USMC by any streech of the imagination.:nope:

[HunterICX]

I cant find any swear word in the languages I know that would name these 2 idiots
what a sensless and cold act..and they RECORD IT!!! :nope:

HunterICX

[AVGWarhawk]

I think this is far from over with. He doesn't represent the USMC by any streech of the imagination.:nope:

No he does not represent the USMC. I know a few and these guys are good decent productive members of society. This guy is problem. If he is capable of this what else is he capable of? Frankly, court marshall is in order IMO.

[sonar732]

Even though it's downright unbecoming of a Marine to commit this act, it's also illegal to post an active duty military personnel address online.

The DoD will get a hold of this website and have it taken off for that purpose. Plus, the owner of the website is offering a reward for someone to commit assault. That leads to a conspiracy charge.

[Chad]

That is terriable.

I respect the men and women in our armed forces but that's terriable.

The puppy reminds me of my own and almost brings me to tears :cry:


Hopefully this won't be something that the DoD just brushes off or anything :roll:

[FIREWALL]

To take this to another level.

Can you only imagine what his Parents are going to feel like ?

Since I used to live in Wash. State in the past I'm familiar with Monroe Wa.

It's only claim to fame is a state prison and everone knows everyone.

The shame and hurt he has brought to his parents is also sad.

[sonar732]

To take this to another level.

Can you only imagine what his Parents are going to feel like ?

Since I used to live in Wash. State in the past I'm familiar with Monroe Wa.

It's only claim to fame is a state prison and everone knows everyone.

The shame and hurt he has brought to his parents is also sad.

What about the threats they will receive from people who are strapped for cash and wanting to capitalize on $1000?

I don't think what he did was right, but I also feel the UCMJ is there for a reason and the DoD has responded against this action. How do you know that this is the right Marine? You can barely understand the other Marine say his last name.

[AVGWarhawk]

To take this to another level.

Can you only imagine what his Parents are going to feel like ?

Since I used to live in Wash. State in the past I'm familiar with Monroe Wa.

It's only claim to fame is a state prison and everone knows everyone.

The shame and hurt he has brought to his parents is also sad.
What about the threats they will receive from people who are strapped for cash and wanting to capitalize on $1000?

I don't think what he did was right, but I also feel the UCMJ is there for a reason and the DoD has responded against this action. How do you know that this is the right Marine? You can barely understand the other Marine say his last name.

Perhaps then if this is the wrong Marine he should step forward. After that, find out who the correct Marine is. Just my thoughts on that issue.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I'm not ashamed to admit this actually made me cry. :nope:

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm not ashamed to admit this actually made me cry. :nope:

Yep, KP. There is the most senseless act if there ever was one. Totally uncalled for really.

[Sea Demon]

While heartless and cruel, it is a broad brush to swipe at all US Marines for this terrible act as the topic title implies. :shifty::nope: Please, the US Marines are a great branch of military service, filled with many great people fulfilling a very difficult task. Like any organization, you have your bad apples. But yeah, this guy should be punished for animal cruelty. It's utterly senseless and heartbreaking to those of us who love our animals.

[SUBMAN1]

Actually, I take offense to this thread. Saying the acts of one or a few people represent that of an entire group is completely not OK. :down:

-S

[Biggles]

Dis-feckin-gusting. No more need to be said.

[FIREWALL]

Actually, I take offense to this thread. Saying the acts of one or a few people represent that of an entire group is completely not OK. :down:

-S


I see your point and maybe the Poster and a moderator can get together and Modify the Title. :yep:

Maybe something like " one ruins it for all " or something. ?

[sonar732]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335490,00.html

A Washington state Marine and his family have become the target of death threats after a video surfaced earlier this week in which the man apparently throws a puppy off a cliff and into a rocky ravine, according to KIRO 7 Eyewitness News.

EDIT:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/15507456/detail.html

[Skybird]

I am on 56K odem currently and thus cannot watch the full video.

I would like to know the biolgraphy of this man, and if he has been in Iraq or Afghanistan. I would not be surprised. If it is so you just see the result of what the cruelty of war does to a man's psyche.

By random chance just minutes ago I watched a program on German-Austrian-Swiss 3SAT-program, on the traumatization US soldiers bring back home after having been in Iraq, and often turn incredibly violent, non,caring, insensitive, which is a mess for them and their families as well, often not for years but decades to come. Not that this is really new stuff for me. They referred to an internal secret study of the Pentagoin that shows that even the Pentagon internally calculates with at least 100.000 severly traumatized Iraq veterans. Most of them are left alone. Many of these are ticking bombs. All of them deserve to find some light being shed in their life again so that they must not spend the rest of there existence living in a image of the world that is in ruins and even the neigjbour is an enemy.

Damn war. While their is the parallel threads on medals and the Iron Cross: sometimes it needs more courage to say No than to howl with the pack. Sometimes it is better service to one own's country to tell people why something should NOT be done, and some war IS NOT worth it. And depending on the situation, that decision can deserve a medal for valour, too.

So I withhold my judgement to doom that guy until I know in how far the military made him behaving the way he did. If he was just "thoughtless" and wanted to show off - spank him.

[SUBMAN1]

Some Europeans will say anything to make the US Military look bad. That is all this thread is about.

You don't even know the full story on this - did this dog just take a chunk out of someones hand? It is not a puppy - I'd put it at 7+ years old.

Basically, it is just a smear campaign for the entire military.

-S

[FIREWALL]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335490,00.html

A Washington state Marine and his family have become the target of death threats after a video surfaced earlier this week in which the man apparently throws a puppy off a cliff and into a rocky ravine, according to KIRO 7 Eyewitness News.

EDIT:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/15507456/detail.html



This just goes to show One persons bad actions effect other innocent people.

[JSLTIGER]

:nope::nope::nope:

[elanaiba]

Some Europeans will say anything to make the US Military look bad. That is all this thread is about.

You don't even know the full story on this - did this dog just take a chunk out of someones hand? It is not a puppy - I'd put it at 7+ years old.

The original poster is located in the US as far as I can tell.

And I'm not an expert on dogs, but I fail to see how the dog in those pictures could be 7 years old or a threat to anyone. Come on, one hand throw, eh?

His actions are his own, not the corps, though.

To be honest, I find such an act so wrong I can't believe its true. Its gotta be fake. I mean, these guys are not stupid kids!

[AdlerGrosmann]

Some Europeans will say anything to make the US Military look bad. That is all this thread is about.

You don't even know the full story on this - did this dog just take a chunk out of someones hand? It is not a puppy - I'd put it at 7+ years old.

Basically, it is just a smear campaign for the entire military.

-S Who said I was European, I started this thread. I'm American, and some times I find a shame to be one.

IF that puppy did something, or just because a puppy bites you, you're going to throw it off a cliff? Come on, that doesn't solve the problem. It shows how careless and cruel you are to wildlife.

[Friedmann]

Some Europeans will say anything to make the US Military look bad. That is all this thread is about.

You don't even know the full story on this - did this dog just take a chunk out of someones hand? It is not a puppy - I'd put it at 7+ years old.

Basically, it is just a smear campaign for the entire military.

-S
Thats tripe mate, you make it sound like the people who find the video distasteful are the problem.

As much as you would like to make this an issue about nationality, it isn't.

Anti-americanism is a tired and worn out concept that had no legs to begin with.

[SUBMAN1]

I don't think that is in question that you are American. I am refering to the website owner. Where is he at?

-S

PS. I just did a trace and the website is hosted in Dallas, TX

[SUBMAN1]

Thats tripe mate, you make it sound like the people who find the video distasteful are the problem.

As much as you would like to make this an issue about nationality, it isn't.

Anti-americanism is a tired and worn out concept that had no legs to begin with.Not even the case in any respect, thank you very much. Some friggen Arab or Peta bastard is repsonsible for this crap. No other idea.

-S

[elanaiba]

If I was American, I would try my best to make sure this kind of stuff does not happen and stain the image of my armed forces - the people that represent my country and myself in an armed conflict.

[Iceman]

If it is so you just see the result of what the cruelty of war does to a man's psyche.


So I withhold my judgement to doom that guy until I know in how far the military made him behaving the way he did.

You are kidding right?

This is nothing new....this guy was flawed before he went into the armed forces obviously....how far the military made him behave this way?...you are really on a witch hunt there Skybird if you believe what you are really saying.

Military made him that way....yea right.

So what are the excuses for people who shoot birds for target practice or do stuff like this to cats...some people really hate cats.It is a personality trait and or choice of the individual..period.Take responsibility for your own actions and don't blame the military...get real.

The guy is a run of the mill *******...nothing more nothing less....world is full of them right Skybird?

[Friedmann]

Some friggen Arab or Peta bastard is repsonsible for this crap. No other idea.

-S

You really are a warm soul aren't you? :arrgh!:

That said I think if Muslim extremists wanted to create some propaganda they could find more than just the puppy video. Just check out liveleak or anywhere else. A lot of these guys don't do themselves many favours in the image war.

[AVGWarhawk]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,335490,00.html

A Washington state Marine and his family have become the target of death threats after a video surfaced earlier this week in which the man apparently throws a puppy off a cliff and into a rocky ravine, according to KIRO 7 Eyewitness News.

EDIT:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/15507456/detail.html


Both said the video was not verified. Give me a break. To what end to rig up this up as a joke or a farce? It is not even remotely funny. I have seen it several times. It is real IMO. Sorry his folks are getting threats. If this Marine is the man he thinks he is, perhaps he should come foreward with some explanation.

[FIREWALL]

Someone has got to be the Devils Advocate :D or is it the
Other edge of the Sword.:hmm:

[Sea Demon]

So what are the excuses for people who shoot birds for target practice or do stuff like this to cats...some people really hate cats.It is a personality trait and or choice of the individual..period.Take responsibility for your own actions and don't blame the military...get real.

The guy is a run of the mill *******...nothing more nothing less....world is full of them right Skybird?

Loud applause for Iceman!! :up: And we get to the bottom line here. Personal Responsibility, and personal ownership of actions. Unfortunately there are many that refuse to see that one's own actions are their own, and they are solely responsible for them.

[SUBMAN1]

You really are a warm soul aren't you? :arrgh!:

That said I think if Muslim extremists wanted to create some propaganda they could find more than just the puppy video. Just check out liveleak or anywhere else. A lot of these guys don't do themselves many favours in the image war.Hey - I'm not condoning what happened here. I am a bit ticked that every damn thing that some idiot does is portrayed in such a light. And - I care about people much more than I care about animals, and this has gone way too far. SO yes, I am a warm soul, and do not ever question that.

I tracked down the guy who is doing this smear campaign to New York. Hewlett New York to be precise. He looks well do with a decent looking house on a corner street - probably about 1500 square feet or less. Even though its hosted in Dallas, I should have expected this to be a PETA liberal New Yorker.

Typical.

I wonder how he would feel if I posted everything about him on the net? I have every last detail on this idiots whereabouts. He is obviously not smart about how he conducts his life.

-S

[Syxx_Killer]

I'm certainly not going to watch that video. However, from reading through the thread quickly enough, it sounds pretty bad. People like are dipicted in the video make me sick. How can you harm a defenseless little animal like a puppy and still be able to sleep at night? :x:nope:

[Sea Demon]

I just hope that it is not used to smear the US Marines as a whole as that would be patently unfair.

[Sea Demon]

I'm certainly not going to watch that video. However, from reading through the thread quickly enough, it sounds pretty bad. People like are dipicted in the video make me sick. How can you harm a defenseless little animal like a puppy and still be able to sleep at night? :x:nope:

I would advise against it. Pretty heart-wrenching to put it mildly.

[elanaiba]

I tracked down the guy who is doing this smear campaign to New York. Hewlett New York to be precise. He looks well do with a decent looking house on a corner street - probably about 1500 square feet or less. Even though its hosted in Dallas, I should have expected this to be a PETA liberal New Yorker.

Typical.

I wonder how he would feel if I posted everything about him on the net? I have every last detail on this idiots whereabouts. He is obviously not smart about how he conducts his life.

I think you're over-reacting in a bad way.

Do you know what the web site starts with ?

The world should know about this disgrace to the United States Marine Corps.

Now to me that means the person may actually hold the USMC in high regard and think its bad the person in the video is smearing their image.

[Letum]

No surprises here.

The invading forces have been doing similar things to the civilian population since the occupation started.

The greater injustice is that it takes something fluffy, rather than something human to motivate people to speak ut against it loudly.

[SUBMAN1]

I think you're over-reacting in a bad way.

Do you know what the web site starts with ?
It may start that way, but posting the guys address is not OK and offereing a reward to kick his butt is not OK. I could care less about the title since the body tells a different story.

But then again - I see your point.

-S

[FIREWALL]

The next thing we will hear is... The Devil Made Him Do It.:roll:

[SUBMAN1]

...The greater injustice is that it takes something fluffy, rather than something human to motivate people to speak ut against it loudly.On this part Letum, I have to agree with you. This is the part that upsets me - its no longer about people, but we hold the dog in higher regard. This is kind of what set me off on this thread.

-S

[elanaiba]

Hmmm, I don't know who holds the puppy in high regard, but then again, what person in the movie should be held in higher?

[Sea Demon]

I think you're over-reacting in a bad way.

Do you know what the web site starts with ?
It may start that way, but posting the guys address is not OK and offereing a reward to kick his butt is not OK. I could care less about the title since the body tells a different story.

But then again - I see your point.

-S

I see his point to. And didn't see it initially. Still, there are some who try and twist it into all US Marines are rotten. And that's wrong, and I can't help but point out how crappy it is.

[AVGWarhawk]

...The greater injustice is that it takes something fluffy, rather than something human to motivate people to speak ut against it loudly.On this part Letum, I have to agree with you. This is the part that upsets me - its no longer about people, but we hold the dog in higher regard. This is kind of what set me off on this thread.

-S

Good point.

[Letum]

...The greater injustice is that it takes something fluffy, rather than something human to motivate people to speak ut against it loudly.On this part Letum, I have to agree with you. This is the part that upsets me - its no longer about people, but we hold the dog in higher regard. This is kind of what set me off on this thread.

-S

I had the human atrocities perpetrated by the invading/occupying forces in mind.

[FIREWALL]

...The greater injustice is that it takes something fluffy, rather than something human to motivate people to speak ut against it loudly.On this part Letum, I have to agree with you. This is the part that upsets me - its no longer about people, but we hold the dog in higher regard. This is kind of what set me off on this thread.

-S


I think it's more about the Morality and Brutality that's got everyone upset.

Puppy now a child later ?

I don't believe he deserves a Public Hanging or a Fireing Squad but,
he doesn't represent his peers either.

[SUBMAN1]

I had the human atrocities perpetrated by the invading/occupying forces in mind.How come that doesn't surprise me? :D

-S

[Chad]

I believe that while it does hurt the look of the US Marines, I don't hold them all accountable for this one's actions.

I've now been on both sides of situations similar to this.

My senior year in high school, I was on the football team. Another senior who was also playing, quit football due to a knee injury. I wasn't good friends with this guy and so it didn't bother me when he quit. But he had a couple of friends on the team and they made fun of him and harassed him for not playing his senior year.

A month after school started, and before a football game, we found out the kid commited suicide. Everyone blamed the football team, including me, for this because of all the harassment.

I never said one word to the kid, except hi and whats up in the hallways. And now, here I am being blamed for him killing himself.

It eventually died down when it came out that he was doing anti-depressents and illegal substance abuse drugs. The two mixed caused an irregular hormone level and led him to kill himself.

Still, even now, when I say I played on the team that year, I still get that look like, "Nice going jerk, you killed him." I always have to clear it up that I was nothing but friends with him and never did anything.

[FIREWALL]

I believe that while it does hurt the look of the US Marines, I don't hold them all accountable for this one's actions.

I've now been on both sides of situations similar to this.

My senior year in high school, I was on the football team. Another senior who was also playing, quit football due to a knee injury. I wasn't good friends with this guy and so it didn't bother me when he quit. But he had a couple of friends on the team and they made fun of him and harassed him for not playing his senior year.

A month after school started, and before a football game, we found out the kid commited suicide. Everyone blamed the football team, including me, for this because of all the harassment.



I never said one word to the kid, except hi and whats up in the hallways. And now, here I am being blamed for him killing himself.

It eventually died down when it came out that he was doing anti-depressents and illegal substance abuse drugs. The two mixed caused an irregular hormone level and led him to kill himself.

Still, even now, when I say I played on the team that year, I still get that look like, "Nice going jerk, you killed him." I always have to clear it up that I was nothing but friends with him and never did anything.

As I posted earlier " The innoccent hang with the Guilty.(His Family being threatened) You takeing the brunt for what others did. Sad

[Platapus]

One of the many things I find disturbing about this video is the expression on the jerk.

He is laughing and smiling like this was some big frickin joke.

That is so disturbing. It is like looking in to the eyes of a serial killer or something

The idea of this person with a weapon frankly scares me. If he would do this to a dog, what would he do to some Iraqi family?

Regardless of affiliation, there are just some bad people that society needs to protect itself from.

I think the vision of the sick perverted smile on that jerk's face will haunt me far longer than what happened to the dog.

[silentrunner]

:nope::nope::nope::nope::nope::nope::nope::nope::n ope::nope:

emoticons can say what words can not

[FIREWALL]

maybe the Poster and a moderator can get together and Modify the Title. :yep:

Maybe something like " one ruins it for all " or something ?


repost:

This might bring this thread back into perspective. :yep: ?

[Skybird]

If it is so you just see the result of what the cruelty of war does to a man's psyche.


So I withhold my judgement to doom that guy until I know in how far the military made him behaving the way he did.

You are kidding right?

This is nothing new....this guy was flawed before he went into the armed forces obviously....how far the military made him behave this way?...you are really on a witch hunt there Skybird if you believe what you are really saying.

Military made him that way....yea right.

So what are the excuses for people who shoot birds for target practice or do stuff like this to cats...some people really hate cats.It is a personality trait and or choice of the individual..period.Take responsibility for your own actions and don't blame the military...get real.

The guy is a run of the mill *******...nothing more nothing less....world is full of them right Skybird?
Have you even understood my posting in full...? :hmm:

[FIREWALL]

Maybe the Poster and a moderator can get together and Modify the Title. :yep:

Maybe something like " one ruins it for all " or something ?


repost:

This might bring this thread back into perspective. :yep: ?

BUMP!!!

[antikristuseke]

I cant find any swear word in the languages I know that would name these 2 idiots
what a sensless and cold act..and they RECORD IT!!! :nope:

HunterICX

I share your disgust, and I have 5 languages to fall back on for curse words, all fail me. Allso, i dotn even like dogs, at all.

[RickC Sniper]

I do not think Skybird is saying the military made him this way, I think his point is that the horrors of war affect and change a man.

If this is what he is saying I agree with him. I also think many soldiers in Iraq are opposed to the war but fight because they are soldiers and it is their duty. I have seen this before, personally. War does affect you. If what your duty makes you do is, in your own mind, wrong then you have a dilemna. It can become a burden on your mind.

But then also, some guys just like to kick puppys. No excuse for that, but do not blame the Marine Corps, blame these few.

[Skybird]

I do not think Skybird is saying the military made him this way, I think his point is that the horrors of war affect and change a man.

If this is what he is saying I agree with him. I also think many soldiers in Iraq are opposed to the war but fight because they are soldiers and it is their duty. I have seen this before, personally. War does affect you. If what your duty makes you do is, in your own mind, wrong then you have a dilemna. It can become a burden on your mind.

Yes. But that you may be ordered to do things or are forced by situation to do things that you are not accepting, morally, is a rational observation open to you - you know it since you feel your uneasiness. the way the horror and terror of war, the destruction and killing both of the others as well as your own buddies, leaves a bad feeling, but how it rapes your soul and mind and turns you eventually into a dog, a desensitized moron, a lone wolf that cannot stand family and social life anymore, or eventually a raging beast - that process escapes your rational oberservation - and that si what makes the change possible.

War is no psychotherapy that turns you into better beings, that works only in Hollywood movies. It's exactly the opposite. killing and destroying around you does not heal your psyche - it torments it.

If that is what happened to this puppy-thrower, he should not be doomed, but needs help. If he was like that before he even joined the military, he should be spanked, like everybody who kills or tortures animals and weaker beings for fun.

[Biggles]

I do not find this funny at all, however I do feel that it was not the right thing to post the home adress of the man in question. That was going over the edge, if you ask me.

[Tchocky]

Was this topic title different earlier?

If not, then I don't know where the implication that this smears all Marines is coming from.

Oh, and objecting to throwing a puppy off of a cliff does not make one a member of PETA.

Neither does it make one a "friggin Arab", beautiful though the sentiment is.

[Takeda Shingen]

I altered the title.

The Management

[Tchocky]

I altered the title.

The Management
Ah right, I was a bit confused. Cheers.

[Onkel Neal]

I do not think Skybird is saying the military made him this way, I think his point is that the horrors of war affect and change a man.

If this is what he is saying I agree with him. I also think many soldiers in Iraq are opposed to the war but fight because they are soldiers and it is their duty. I have seen this before, personally. War does affect you. If what your duty makes you do is, in your own mind, wrong then you have a dilemna. It can become a burden on your mind.

Yes. But that you may be ordered to do things or are forced by situation to do things that you are not accepting, morally, is a rational observation open to you - you know it since you feel your uneasiness. the way the horror and terror of war, the destruction and killing both of the others as well as your own buddies, leaves a bad feeling, but how it rapes your soul and mind and turns you eventually into a dog, a desensitized moron, a lone wolf that cannot stand family and social life anymore, or eventually a raging beast - that process escapes your rational oberservation - and that si what makes the change possible.

War is no psychotherapy that turns you into better beings, that works only in Hollywood movies. It's exactly the opposite. killing and destroying around you does not heal your psyche - it torments it.

If that is what happened to this puppy-thrower, he should not be doomed, but needs help. If he was like that before he even joined the military, he should be spanked, like everybody who kills or tortures animals and weaker beings for fun.

This makes sense. Nothing excuses that bad behavior but Skybird's comments help makes sense of the act.

But then again, I've seen worse, and that was by people who had never been near a warzone. They were just cruel and inhumane.

[Letum]

Is not each Marine an ambassador for his unit, profession and country?

If not, shouldn't they be?

[Oberon]

Some people are bastards, some are not. I was watching Crufts earlier, and in it there was the tale of two dogs saved by Royal Marines in Afghanistan and shipped back to the UK. I'll be willing to bet though, that in the same organisation, there are people who'd set it on fire or shoot at it for fun.
War does change people, there's no denying that, however some people are sick ****s to begin with. The guys in that vid, if it is real, and I've heard of worse happening believe you me, in our own backyards, let alone somewhere in Baghdad, the guys do need help, not lynching...although to be perfectly honest my gut instinct is telling me to do exactly that to them. However, some people, no matter what help you give them, are sick bastards through and through. It's not where they are, or who they belong to, it's who they are.

[Letum]

I remember a relative of mine telling me how his squad used to run over Egyptians
in a 10ton lorry for fun when they had leave or a long journey to make. (in ww2)

He was still laughing about it 50 years on. :nope:

[Tchocky]

Was in animal shelters recently, saw some horrible cases.
My girlfriends father was an animal cruelty inspector for 16 years, he tells some stories that would both melt and harden your heart.

On the right is our rescued kitten, little Rasputin.
By chance, in the middle is Len Deighton's excellent account of warfare from the rise of Hitler to the fall of Dunkirk: Blitzkrieg. Tchocky recommends.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/LarsenB/Image039.jpg


(this thread needs some brightening :P)

[August]

Is not each Marine an ambassador for his unit, profession and country?

If not, shouldn't they be?
Yes they are and they should be. I hope the USMC disciplines him extensively.

[Oberon]

My mother has worked in animal welfare most of her life, which is probably why the majority of our gang are waifs and strays ;) It gives you a less than rosy outlook on the human race, that's for certain, but...there are some people that surprise you, like the Royal Marines I mentioned earlier.
And I don't know about you, but that gives me hope... :up:

Oh, and Tchocky, love Rasputin :D Who is Rasputins torteshell comrade?

[Tchocky]

My mother has worked in animal welfare most of her life, which is probably why the majority of our gang are waifs and strays ;) It gives you a less than rosy outlook on the human race, that's for certain, but...there are some people that surprise you, like the Royal Marines I mentioned earlier.
And I don't know about you, but that gives me hope... :up:

Oh, and Tchocky, love Rasputin :D Who is Rasputins torteshell comrade? That's Tiger, she was a stray. Been with us for about 2 years.
My movements in taking the photo woke her up, and she's looking at Rasputin, thinking "what the hell are you doing here? MY bed!"

[Letum]

Is not each Marine an ambassador for his unit, profession and country?

If not, shouldn't they be?
Yes they are and they should be. I hope the USMC disciplines him extensively.
In that case it is quite right that it reflects badly on America and the USMC.
How ever unjust the reflection is on the majority: that is a injustice by the perpetrate of the act, rather than the observer.

In short: Ambassadors represent, even when they are not representative.

This guy has done a great disservice to the USMC and the US.
It is wrong to say he has not baught shame on both. He has.

[Oberon]

:rotfl: :rotfl:

"INTRUDER ALERT!!"

Sounds like two of ours, Merlyn and Isis, there's always competition over the red pillow to the left of me. Like little humans in fur coats sometimes. :p

[FIREWALL]

My mother has worked in animal welfare most of her life, which is probably why the majority of our gang are waifs and strays ;) It gives you a less than rosy outlook on the human race, that's for certain, but...there are some people that surprise you, like the Royal Marines I mentioned earlier.
And I don't know about you, but that gives me hope... :up:

Oh, and Tchocky, love Rasputin :D Who is Rasputins torteshell comrade?

Oberon, Your Mom sounds like a Saint to me. Give her a HUG.:yep: :up:

[StarFox]

Holy ****!!

That almost made me cry.

I have 4 dogs right now, and Have had many more.

Cece - Died at the age of 15

Lucky - Died at the Age of 4 Due to a Brain Tumor

Sadi - Given to a freind, still alive

Lovey Howl - Still Alive, going to turn 7 this year. She won the pet kissing contest at the local petco this year.

Thurston Howl III - My Favorite dog, besides Tie. My best pal for 4 years, was hit by a car and died of internal injuries at the age of 4. I have never gotten over his death. I even built a Virtual ship and named it in Honor of him. It can be downloaded and used in Virtual Sailor. I try to visit his grave at least once a month, but I have not been there for a while, it is very hard to sit and look at his grave. Makes me cry just to type this thinking about him :cry:

Ginger - See a Gilligans Island theme yet? Still alive, 3 years old I believe

Black Tie - Tie for short. My best friend. I still love Thurston, but Tie is a much more behavied dog. He listens, and comes when he is called. Every time he has gotten out of the yard, he comes right to me. He has some bad habbits, he spent 9 months on a Farm before we got him, but he is a completly different dog now, very behavied and loyal

Max - Ever seen "The Great Race" thats where we got the name. He spent 5 months in a pet shop in a small cage. we rescued him, still really skinny. and we think he has some health issue, but we are working to get him healthy.

Those Marines should be thrown off the cliff, see how much they like it! BASTARDS!!!

[Ducimus]

Not to make excuses for these guys, but has anyone stopped to think that this is a symptom of a problem?

Theres two realities at work here:

First, our military is stretched thin, and maybe on the cusp of the breaking point. A tour of duty is supposed to be 365 days and a wake up. Not 1 year, plus another 4 to 6 months, and then do that again, 2nd or 3rd time. Alot of troops are on their 2nd or 3rd tour of duty, there simply isnt enough troops, and recruitment has been low. The armed forces these days are recruiting people that in the past, would not have passed recruitment standards, their scraping the bottom of the barrel because not enough people are enlisting. In order to gain bodies, you either lower your standards, or reinstate the draft, you do the math on that.

The second reality, is that the realities of your world, and their world, are VERY different. I can tell you how alot of these guys live. They live one day at a time, counting each day in a backward count. One day blurs into the next. 365 days, is a LLLLLLOOOOOONNNNNGG TIME when your "in the sh*t". Theres ALOT of stress your subjected to, not just combat. Everyone handles stress differently, some can't handle it very well at all (Above mentioned recruitment problem).

I dont think many realize just how much the reality of "their" world changes your perceptions. Things that were seemingly important before, become trivial. I'll bet you that there are guys there that

- cannot remember when they were born
- do not remember when xmas is
- cannot remember the sound of their wifes voice.

Things like this , just stop being important. I know, ive experienced that.

A civil war general once said, "War is creulty". Well, Violence for some of these guys, is a daily fact of life, and when you live one day at time with it, and keep getting your stay extended, and your hopes to go home smashed, you tend to accept your fate of, "this is how it is, this is how it always will be, im never leaving this place, i will never see home again". You then become disconnected and become desensitized. Its how you cope, and moral lines beteen right and wrong, for some become a little blurred.

Again, not an excuse, but its something alot of ppl don't think about. This is a symptom of a larger problem.

[RickC Sniper]

Is not each Marine an ambassador for his unit, profession and country?

If not, shouldn't they be?
Yes they are and they should be. I hope the USMC disciplines him extensively.

I agree

[Onkel Neal]

In short: Ambassadors represent, even when they are not representative.

This guy has done a great disservice to the USMC and the US.
It is wrong to say he has not baught shame on both. He has.

I admire how you say that with such glee.

[Letum]

In short: Ambassadors represent, even when they are not representative.

This guy has done a great disservice to the USMC and the US.
It is wrong to say he has not baught shame on both. He has.
I admire how you say that with such glee.
:nope:
Not a bit of it.

See the post in this topic about my relative and reconsider my "glee".

[August]

I've said this before but people who would do such things can be found in any group of humans and the military is no exception. What is important is how the group deals with such incidents when they occur. Are they tolerated and encouraged, or are the perpetrators apprehended and punished?

What I hear is that the Marine Corps is investigating the incident. If it is found to be true then those young Marines are in very serious trouble. Even if it was faked, as apparently some people are now claiming, they are STILL in trouble for making the Corps look bad.

Beyond officialdom there will likely be others, fellow Marines, cousins, uncles, neighbors, etc, who will seek to rearrange their facial features a bit...

[WilhelmSchulz.]

Oh come on! There is no way that can be real. Ive seen edited stuff before. Cant this be one like that?

But if this true... well I dont know. :nope: