Enemy Mine Field Chart [Archive] - SUBSIM Radio Room Forums

KeptinCranky

03-05-08, 05:31 PM

Oh it's also not very funny if you're in a VIIb, believe me, I was in that area a few days ago and it's very nerve-wracking....:o

But don't let that grinning devil BBW discourage you with his defeatist comments ;) :D

a careful Kaleun can still operate successfully in that area, even in 1941, as long as he doesn't crashdive or submerge at all unless it's absolutley essential for survival...

also, require your entire crew to carry rabbit's feet, lucky coins, four-leaf clovers, and be sure to consult at least a few astrologers before leaving port...

Oh, and keep the liferaft inflated at all times and your tauchretter close to hand :D

Torplexed

03-05-08, 09:20 PM

Beware of mimes too. They're evil. :p

http://neptoon.homestead.com/Mimeunderseawarfare.jpg

GoldenRivet

03-05-08, 11:16 PM

its a safe bet that anywhere in the world where the water depth is less than 40 meters you WILL encounter mines in GWX2... not just around port cities... these mines are placed so they are sitting at a depth where they will explode due to contact or influence by submerged u-boats and not usually surface ships.

another argument for staying out of shallow waters.

so just be aware guys... if the water depth is 40 meters or less you can bet good money there are mines below you.

Gezur(Arbeit)

03-06-08, 01:44 AM

I ran on a mine when I tried to raid Dunkirque...I never did it again :D

KeptinCranky

03-06-08, 05:30 AM

Torplexed... :D are you sure you should have opened that particular can of worms....:D

Mimes...eek!

think about it: :hmm:

Silent Hunter
the Silent service
Mimesweepers...
Magnetic Mimes....

it goes on

:o...............:D

Grayson02sept1980

03-06-08, 07:00 AM

looks like I am one lucky chap... I have made so many attack runs at peri depth in water 40+ and less without ever stumbling across any Mime :rotfl:

oh... I ment... m i n e ;)

Kipparikalle

03-06-08, 08:26 AM

Well after seeing that map, I won't be having good sleeps for a couple of months.
Do you have any idea how many submerged attack's I've done on that area?

Grayson02sept1980

03-06-08, 08:40 AM

Well after seeing that map, I won't be having good sleeps for a couple of months.
Do you have any idea how many submerged attack's I've done on that area?

me too... but all after 41... my main "playground was the atlantic till end of 42 when I transfered to the 11th in Bergen... now I now and then attack there, too.

But I guess they did not remove the mines, no?

predavolk

03-06-08, 09:42 AM

I'm new to the game, and have only gotten to early 1940. When is that minefield in place? Is the area between the black filled with mines, or just the black lines themselves? How do the Brits avoid their own mines?

Personally, I love hunting the North Sea with my Type VII. I know that deep water is your friend, but at this stage in the game it's not as critical as it will be later, so I'm taking advantage of the shallow-water targets and poor cover while I can.

Any advice on mines and minefields would be appreciated. On the plus side, I did recently (1939) make a night surface run through the Dover Straights, got attacked by a small patrol ship and something bigger, gunned the patrol ship (it withdrew) and outran/lost the bigger ship. Then I blasted a trio of big Frenchie merchants. Good times! :D

KeptinCranky

03-06-08, 10:12 AM

Well after seeing that map, I won't be having good sleeps for a couple of months.
Do you have any idea how many submerged attack's I've done on that area?

That's my thought exactly....:o I couldn't believe it when I saw BBW's screenie of the campaign files for the first time, I figured I'd been very very lucky indeed

Predavolk, those lines indicate the area where you can be sure to find mines, they are all through the north sea though, to a certain degree, both sides mined extensively throughout the war.

suffice to say that the later in the war you get the thivker and bigger the minefields will be.

There were of course some mine-free lanes for the allies to move their ships through, but they mostly stayed very close to the coast, the Ferries from the Netherlands to Northern England still follow that route....
The Germans would abuse such minefree lanes if they found out about them by putting their own mines in them because that's where the shipping is going to be...

Mine warfare is a nasty business

predavolk

03-06-08, 10:24 AM

Predavolk, those lines indicate the area where you can be sure to find mines, they are all through the north sea though, to a certain degree, both sides mined extensively throughout the war.

Are they there throughout the war? I've spent a lot of time in Area 55 on that map, in the deeper water, submerged, and never encountered one (thankfully!). Is there a maximum depth? I heard 40M used before. Are you safe submerging in 41M+ water?

Laufen zum Ziel

03-06-08, 02:44 PM

The mine pic is a mod by one of our modders. I just re-marked it in black for the pic.

I appologize for not giving credit to the author but I could not find the mod again.

http://silent-hunter-addict.com

FIREWALL

03-06-08, 03:19 PM

So the long and short of it there aren't any MINE Maps to print or drag except our own Bases which so far have only made it difficult for ME. :damn:

fat jez

03-06-08, 03:35 PM

So the long and short of it there aren't any MINE Maps to print or drag except our own Bases which so far have only made it difficult for ME. :damn:

Top left of the map screen in GWX2.0, pull it down and you have a mine map.

Cheers,
Stephen

FIREWALL

03-06-08, 03:58 PM

Kipparikalle

03-06-08, 04:11 PM

Just swim around submerged and find out! Then you can mark the fields on your map.
It works just fine for me ;)

FIREWALL

03-06-08, 04:14 PM

Just swim around submerged and find out! Then you can mark the fields on your map.
It works just fine for me ;)

Oooo Kkkk :p A little rough on Sub and Crew tho :D

Kipparikalle

03-06-08, 04:24 PM

Just swim around submerged and find out! Then you can mark the fields on your map.
It works just fine for me ;)

Oooo Kkkk :p A little rough on Sub and Crew tho :D
Naaah, they'll be okay. Just go fast, and after the lil' surprisebut...boom, just blow ballast as soonest as possible.
And here you go! Your safely on surface!

Tho' your crew must change their underwears after doing this.

fat jez

03-06-08, 04:26 PM

Not of ENEMY Minefields.:nope:

Oops :oops:

FIREWALL

03-06-08, 04:29 PM

Not of ENEMY Minefields.:nope:

Oops :oops:

No prob friend.:D

Don't we have any spies ?:rotfl: Seems like the Allieds do and alot of planes too! And now minefields. :huh:

Kipparikalle

03-06-08, 04:42 PM

Not of ENEMY Minefields.:nope:
Oops :oops:

No prob friend.:D

Don't we have any spies ?:rotfl: Seems like the Allieds do and alot of planes too! And now minefields. :huh:
Good questiong, and I can give you the answer.

During the WW2 Germans did have spy "ring" on london, but their job was very hard because they had to keep on moving.
They were being tracked by british counter-spies all the time, and it took a lot of time and effort for the German spies to get their hands on Royal Naval Force's files.

You simply won't just walk up on their office, past the quards and officers, many securitycheck-ups, to the top-secret military files.

No, you have to take someone's personality, maybe high-ranking officer with an acces to the files. But first, you must get known of him, what are his daily routines, what does he like etc etc.
Until finally, you eliminate him, and take his place. But you think thats it? Oh boy, you'd be surprised!

Now that you have someone's personality, you must be very, VERY carefull where you go. There may be friends of the taken personality, and you must keep distance on them at all cost!

Just imagine a situation on a security checkpoint:

You walk on there, and when you give your securitycard (or whatever it was)
The man who check's your card may know the person who you act as.
And there we go: your busted. And probaly dead.

See my point?

fat jez

03-06-08, 04:53 PM

Don't we have any spies ?:rotfl: Seems like the Allieds do and alot of planes too! And now minefields. :huh:

Actually, from what I've read, all the German agents were turned by the Allies. They were supplied with low level, but accurate intelligence to build up their reputation, but when it came to D-Day, passed on some serious mis-information (Operation Fortitude) that the Allies were planning invasions of Norway and at the Pas De Calais (the latter helped by having the very fake 1st US Army Group commanded by the very real General Patton).

Cheers,
Stephen

Kipparikalle

03-06-08, 04:59 PM

Don't we have any spies ?:rotfl: Seems like the Allieds do and alot of planes too! And now minefields. :huh:
Actually, from what I've read, all the German agents were turned by the Allies.
Forget to mention that, but not all of them were turned or discovered.

It's actually sad that all the German spying effort is after all just throwing bricks on a brickwall. All the hard effort, wasted after all.

Kaleu. Jochen Mohr

03-06-08, 06:31 PM

Mine area is in black.http://silent-hunter-addict.comhttp://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii113/laufen345/EnemyMineFields.jpg

:o
since when are there space shuttles in WW2 ? (grid AN68)

FIREWALL

03-06-08, 06:38 PM

Mine area is in black.http://silent-hunter-addict.comhttp://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii113/laufen345/EnemyMineFields.jpg

:o
since when are there space shuttles in WW2 ? (grid AN68)

Good Catch.:up: And I'm worried about seeing enemy mines. :doh:

Chisum

03-06-08, 07:40 PM

Strangely i'm actually in this area and theres is no mines at least.
Only some crazy destroyers whitch absolutly wants kill me...

:-?

Kipparikalle

03-07-08, 07:20 AM

Kill the DD's, and keep looking.

And of course everyone ignores my so ah, long and smart written post where I put so much effort.

I feel left outside :cry:

Captain Nemo

03-07-08, 08:14 AM

Strangely i'm actually in this area and theres is no mines at least.
:-?

Their there alright, I've found out the hard way.:damn:

Nemo

Kipparikalle

03-07-08, 10:41 AM

Strangely i'm actually in this area and theres is no mines at least.
:-?
Their there alright, I've found out the hard way.:damn:

Nemo
And you survived I presume, hmm?

Captain Nemo

03-07-08, 11:09 AM

Strangely i'm actually in this area and theres is no mines at least.
:-?
Their there alright, I've found out the hard way.:damn:

Nemo
And you survived I presume, hmm?

Nope, that was another career in the dust bin. Crew couldn't contain the heavy flooding after hitting the mine. U-48 with it's Captain Gustav Mindt and crew rest at the bottom of the North Sea at 72 metres depth. But if you are asking if I personally survived then the answer I'm glad to say is yes.:D

Nemo

Kipparikalle

03-07-08, 01:42 PM

Were you submerged or surfaced?

Chisum

03-07-08, 11:51 PM

Well, maby I don't understand everything or maby I was very lucky, but there is my way near the english coast and sorry but there is no mine on my way.
We are in the winter of 1940, all the night I were surfaced at 14 knots and everything was allright.

http://img360.imageshack.us/img360/3352/nopein4.jpg

In fact, I never encounter a mine in SH3...
:-?

Graf Paper

03-08-08, 12:50 AM

Believe me, those mines are there and in far greater numbers than you suspect.

I once had a peek at the actual minefields as they are laid out in the GWX campaign.

The "Eastern Barrage" that runs down the coast of Britain looks like a nearly solid wall of mines that is several kilometers wide. :o

If you patrol in shallow waters after early 1941, your odds of hitting a mine somewhere between Britian and Gemany are pretty high, I'd say. :eek:

Stiebler

03-08-08, 02:50 AM

This minefield map is taken from the NYGM 'DeclaredMinefields' mod. I created it.

It's purpose was (and is) to enable players of NYGM to avoid the declared British minefields in 1940, and later during the so-called 'Inshore Campaign' of 1944-45.

The documentation, which should not have been detached from the map, states clearly that:
a) the map shows only *declared* defensive minefields around the British Isles. Offensive minefields were not declared, so naturally the Germans could not be sure where they were.
b) the marked maps on the zone are not strictly accurate, to allow for errors of navigation and drifting mines (mines that have broken free from their morrings).
c) The huge east-coast defensive mine barriers were last reinforced in 1942, and were 'probably' inactive by the end of 1944 (according to German thinking). Hence U-boats could cross the east-coast mine barrage submerged - but cautiously!

The minefields themselves were created by NYGM's Der Teddy Bar, originally for RUb (Real U-boat), but were subsequently used by NYGM and, evidently, by GWX.

Stiebler.

Kipparikalle

03-08-08, 03:56 AM

Next time when I see a ship inside that minefield zone, I wanna try and sink it. And see what happens when it hits the bottom.

New way to find mines, no need to run submerged anymore Firewall to find out where they are ;)

*Edit* I figured that making one of those bloody DD's to chase you on the zone, to make sure are there mines. So you don't need to search the whole damn ocean to find one ship to make little tests with it.

Chisum

03-09-08, 02:56 AM

Ok, I saw my first mine in SH3 yesterday, june 2 of 1940 near Dunkerque...
I used the scope to watch something but finaly I exploded...
:cry:
It's not a very good point to your hollydays...

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1221/222em3.jpg

Sailor Steve

03-09-08, 01:08 PM

And consider that in real life you probably won't see anything like that. I keep my underwater visibility set for 2, just to prevent me doing things like that.

Chisum

03-09-08, 06:22 PM

Sure Steve.
But in real I have not the permision to cross the channel in june 1940 !
Normaly I must cruise by the North of England to join DJ13 near Gibraltar.

But I know what you means, it must be terrible to cruise immerged in the mine...
:-?

And not so easy as in the movie "Torpedo run" !
:lol:

Captain Nemo

03-10-08, 06:00 AM

Were you submerged or surfaced?

I was submerged.

Nemo

Kipparikalle

03-10-08, 01:48 PM

Were you submerged or surfaced?
I was submerged.

Nemo Must have hit one of your subs weak spots.

I still remember when I was just a nublet, and saw my first seamine. I almost totally freaked out, the shape of the mines just scares me and the fact that just toughing one of it's spikes blows tons of explosives.

Or I was just scared about the thing that my sub was in middle of minefield and just accidentally looked under the water with the freecam.

I miss those days...

But I've overcome my fears, I'm the worst nightmare of DD's and minelayers on these days.