Stricter parenting

[STEED]

Young people in need of stricter parenting, says the teenagers’ champion


She has made her name as the champion of teenage girls, with a special insight into what makes them tick.
But young fans of the former children’s laureate and best-selling author Dame Jacqueline Wilson might be shocked to hear that she thinks teenagers should have less freedom and stricter parents who say “no” to them more often.
The 62-year-old novelist said she was deeply concerned that many children grow up too fast..........

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/education/article3471174.ece



I would agree, the State is telling kids sod being a child and get a job attitude. Kids are growing up to fast. A lack of control by parents results in far to much freedom for them and yet the State is also to blame. The State has forced these liberals can and can not on parents to such a extent parents don't know if there in the right or wrong, the State has messed up and the evidence is round us today. What will this country be like in another 30 years time? The balance has switched to kids who on the most part get there way which results in little respect to others.

I'm not just talking about law breaking kids here, who are at the extreme end of the problem. The problem here is, we now live in a material world and I must have that product now attitude. This would suggest not all the fault is with the parent or State in this go, go world of today. Gadgets and sales pressure are clearly also to blame.

[3Jane]

Having seen the conservative middle classes at play, their families are little better. Children running wild without parental guidence interprets in their world as letting their children mature in their own way without being 'told what to think'. Drug use, violence and other sundry criminality are simply regarded as growing pains and mistakes rather than gross character flaws or bad parenting. 'My children are high spirited yours are out of control', pots calling kettles black is the order of the day.
But of course any problems are caused by the mythical 'liberals', a wannabe american terminology eagerly grasped by the hoi polloi in this country.

[Respenus]

Yes, YES! My children, our time has come. Our voices have been heard. Now it's time for the silenced one to speak up. If we join forces, we can, together, break the power this liberal, amoral, non-value world we live in and shape it into something which will make our children and this our states grow strong. For they are the fondations of our world, and my children, this fondations are rotten. Too long has the power of liberals held us in restraints. The first step begins here, with our children. We have the bricks, weak as they are, yet the the glue that hold them together is also weak. We must make one anew and help create a newer and stronger society which shall be strong and in which the next person will matter as much as you.

The schools and the teachers have become afraid of children. THIS MUST STOP! We must bring once more discipline and respect for our eldars and the knowledge they can pass unto us into our schools. Glue we can make by reforming the moral fibers of our society, yet the bricks are also frail. For this we have our schools and teachers with years of experience, so that our children won't have to learn from their mistakes, they can learn from history. Children shall listen and we shall bestow upon them the gift of learning and self-discipline. Only with hardworking people, who do not waste their time, can we succed. We shall crush the power liberalism has on our world and once more shall we become great.

Long live the ESCP!

[DeepIron]

You apply "stricter parenting" in the US and you'll have Child Welfare descend on your head like a ton of bricks and will make your life a living hell... Been there, done that...

My spin? I can only teach you if you'll listen and show some respect. Otherwise, try to grow up and have a nice life IF you can stay out of prison.

[Respenus]

You apply "stricter parenting" in the US and you'll have Child Welfare descend on your head like a ton of bricks and will make your life a living hell... Been there, done that...

My spin? I can only teach you if you'll listen and show some respect. Otherwise, try to grow up and have a nice life IF you can stay out of prison.
This is the problem of modern society. When did children become better than their superiors? They didn't! It's the system that Americans have brought into Europe, together with their "advanced" socially liberal ideas! Because of such an attitude, those children that want to learn and know they have to work hard get left behind, with the teachers working slowly with those only making racket in the classroom! NO! we say. No longer! Our children will, they MUST, learn, otherwise, this world shall be over before we know it. We must bring them up since childhood, and if the stick is what we need, then stick be it. They'll cry, but they'll thank us when they grow up and they shall we strong and they will have the will to succed!

[DeepIron]

t's the system that Americans have brought into Europe, together with their "advanced" socially liberal ideas!

:lol: Blame us because you can't raise your kids the way you see fit? No one "forced" adoption of our ideals. Ideas flow in all directions. Case in point; let me point out a Neo-Nazi in Chicago, or a Maoist in San Francisco... Or a Muslim in Oklahoma City...Not exactly "home-grown" ideologies...

[Respenus]

The problem is, I can't raise my children as I wish, as I don't have any and I?m yet too young to have them.

The exemples you mentioned weren't grown in your back-yard they still had something to thrive upon, they had to had fertile ground on which to feed. I can't speak for 40 years in the past, it looks like they grounds were more then fertile. But today is a time to stop all this concense and get serious. You have 40, 50 years of fun, now it's time to get serious again. This counts especially for children!

[DeepIron]

The problem is, I can't raise my children as I wish, as I don't have any and I?m yet too young to have them. Interesting... Especially in the context of your "advanced socially liberal ideas" comment...

The exemples you mentioned weren't grown in your back-yard they still had something to thrive upon, they had to had fertile ground on which to feed. I can't speak for 40 years in the past, it looks like they grounds were more then fertile. But today is a time to stop all this concense and get serious. You have 40, 50 years of fun, now it's time to get serious again. This counts especially for children!
Great! When you grow up, change things! No really! I'm in earnest. Evidently you're still young enough to enjoy having ideals and I wish you the greatest success if/when you take on "the system".

[Respenus]

The problem is, I can't raise my children as I wish, as I don't have any and I'm yet too young to have them. Interesting...

The exemples you mentioned weren't grown in your back-yard they still had something to thrive upon, they had to had fertile ground on which to feed. I can't speak for 40 years in the past, it looks like they grounds were more then fertile. But today is a time to stop all this concense and get serious. You have 40, 50 years of fun, now it's time to get serious again. This counts especially for children!
Great! When you grow up, change things! No really! I'm in earnest. Evidently you're still young enough to enjoy having ideals and I wish you the greatest success if/when you take on "the system".

Trust me my dear friend, if I may call you that, I WILL change the system. Trust me on that one.

I do realise that they is a subtle irony hidden in "Evidently you're still young enough to enjoy having ideals..." We've just been working in school on a Slovene work, where the author made the same comment (There were more in our history, but this was the most recent one we worked upon). The older you get, the more likely you are to be content with what life has given you, meaning, you try to survive and ideals are not that important.

Now back to out children and their education! To bad that at 18 years of age, the professors look at you with some sort of pity, even they do support what you want. I feel sorry for my professeors and they accept their situation as a given fact, a rule. I have a French professor, who has been working more than 40 years, and in her young days, things were different I tell you. There was still some respect. Now your child gets a bad mark and they way we go, parents start coming to school, complaining that your questions were too hard, yet you explained the same thing in great detail during class, just that you child wasn't listening. This is why I get excellent grades and why my hand always hurts after classes. The smallest detail gets in handy, so I write fast. Work and discipline, this is all that our children lack. Maybe a tad of stricter punishments and a police hours, except for cultural events. I tell you, there will be screaming, yet we shall have a strong and wokring society, where one shall not look only at himself and work for his benefit, but for the whole of society.

And they say I'm crazy...

[XabbaRus]

Tell me a bout it. I guess I am lucky in that my daughter hasn't asked for a mobile phone yet, is stil into dressing up and my little ponies etc. OK she is only 6 but have you seen some 6 year olds?

I want her to be a kid for as long as possible and enjoy it. I only hope I can help her.

[silentrunner]

I see the children who do not have strict enough parenting; I see the children who's parents don't care about what their child does in school. I feel bad for them because they are just small children who you can not expec thtem to have perfect prioritys. If a young child's parents don't care about their school work than it is very likely that the child will not care either. And if the parents never do anything when a child is not doing well in school then the child will not think he has done anything wrong. They will grow up not careing about anything and never get a good job. So stricter parenting is better for children in the long run which is what parents should care about. Their children's future.

[Respenus]

I see the children who do not have strict enough parenting; I see the children who's parents don't care about what their child does in school. I feel bad for them because they are just small children who you can not expec thtem to have perfect prioritys. If a young child's parents don't care about their school work than it is very likely that the child will not care either. And if the parents never do anything when a child is not doing well in school then the child will not think he has done anything wrong. They will grow up not careing about anything and never get a good job. So stricter parenting is better for children in the long run which is what parents should care about. Their children's future.

Hear hear!

Anyone else wants to let their opinions be heard? I'd really like to catch me a liberal idiot who thinks that we should give children absolute freedom, but I don't think such people visit this forums.