Hilfskreuzers

[Raptor1]

In the 2 times i actually met my friendly Hilfskreuzer, it was flying the Greek flag, do they fly random flags or is it always the Greek flag?

[Paajtor]

Not sure...depends on what period of the war, I guess.
Maybe it's hiding under the Greek flag?

[Raptor1]

Ofcourse it's hiding under the Greek flag, Nazi Germany never paid any attention to the Geneva conventions as far as i'm aware...

Just wondering if it always flies the Greek one, or does it randomly choose an Allied flag (British/Australian/American...)

I could understand if it's a static Greek flag, as the famous Atlantis flew it during her sinking...

[LukeFF]

It always flies the Greek flag.

[Raptor1]

Aww, that sucks, think it could be modded to fly random flags?

[LukeFF]

Aww, that sucks, think it could be modded to fly random flags?

Not that I'm aware of.

[elanaiba]

I think we managed to put the flag on the Hilfkreuzer in the ship texture.

So mod the texture, add-it via the cfg file in the roster, and you'll get a new version :)

[Raptor1]

Yeah, i thought something along these lines was possible
but i don't know much about modding SH4... :dead:

Guess ill have to start messing around with the files

[LukeFF]

I think we managed to put the flag on the Hilfkreuzer in the ship texture.

So mod the texture, add-it via the cfg file in the roster, and you'll get a new version :)

Yep, now I see it! Nice little effect there.

[elanaiba]

Another thing to note is that the Hilfkreuzer sometimes adds a second (fake) funnel, identical in aspect to the real one. Real practice.

I suggest reading this before passing judgement on the Hilfkreuzers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

Also, before any British subsimmers lay charges against the Germans, I suggest reading the "Master and commander" book series. Seems false flag was usual practice in those days.

[Raptor1]

I think there was an article in one of the Geneva conventions (Or maybe some other convention) that made the use of false flags forbidden, wheter there was such a law, it was obviously ignored by both sides...

It shouldn't be too difficult to include different models for the variants with/without the fake funnel, right?

[elanaiba]

Not sure if I understand the question?

The Hilfkreuzer IN THE GAME changes to two funnel configuration at some point, and then back and so on. All based on the .eqp file.

[Raptor1]

Oh, i havn't seem them do that, or maybe i just wasn't looking :damn:

[LukeFF]

Another thing to note is that the Hilfkreuzer sometimes adds a second (fake) funnel, identical in aspect to the real one. Real practice.

Nice!

[linerkiller]

[quote=Raptor1]I think there was an article in one of the Geneva conventions (Or maybe some other convention) that made the use of false flags forbidden, wheter there was such a law, it was obviously ignored by both sides...
quote] Geneva convention doesnt say nothing about that. The Maritime law allows the using of a false flag during the cruise, but the real flag have to be raised before starting any fight.
You can see this pratice in the 1960-black\white movie "Under ten flags" with Van Heflin,it's also a nice and filological film:yep:

[JAKE]

German Auxiliary cruisers during WW2 usally raised the Kriegsmarine jack before firing at the enemy or after a warning shot across the bows (Or so i read) also they usally tried to capture or sink a ship with the least posible casulties though it's understandable that it would be difficult to incorporate this incorporate into the game.

[Jinx_]

German Auxiliary cruisers during WW2 usually raised the Kriegsmarine jack before firing at the enemy or after a warning shot across the bows (Or so i read) also they usually tried to capture or sink a ship with the least possible casualties though it's understandable that it would be difficult to incorporate this incorporate into the game. The ships would hide under other countries flags but would raise the German flag before firing hence not against the Geneva convention i believe.