Illegal downloading = Internet ban

[NoTG]

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article3353387.ece


Is it even possible for ISPs to actually tell if your illegally downloading? I mean they cant exactly watch what your doing since its invasion of the users privacy.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Six million broadband users are estimated to download files illegally every year in this country in a practice that music and film companies claim is costing them billions of pounds in lost revenue annually.

Bollocks is it. They tried cracking down on providers, and that didnt work.

[NoTG]

Exactly.

Even if it did come into effect then im pretty sure encryption will be turned on as default for most P2P applications. Seem that they know "illegal" downloading is impossible to stop but just wont admit it, and are willing to try anything.

And for the record i dont see how they are losing millions a year, even if they are, they dont seem that poor to me.:hmm:

[Dowly]

And for the record i dont see how they are losing millions a year, even if they are, they dont seem that poor to me.:hmm:
I recall reading an article few weeks back where they said that the movie industry had miscalculated their losses as 40+% and that in reality it was under 20%. :rotfl:

EDIT: Found it.

Hollywood laid much of the blame for illegal movie downloading on college students. Now, it says its math was wrong. In a 2005 study it commissioned, the Motion Picture Association of America claimed that 44 percent of the industry’s domestic losses came from illegal downloading of movies by college students, who often have access to high-bandwidth networks on campus. The MPAA has used the study to pressure colleges to take tougher steps to prevent illegal file-sharing and to back legislation currently before the House of Representatives that would force them to do so. But now the MPAA, which represents the U.S. motion picture industry, has told education groups a “human error” in that survey caused it to get the number wrong. It now blames college students for about 15 percent of revenue loss.

[StarFox]

and the other 30% is over priced movie theater tickets right?

[TteFAboB]

Is it even possible for ISPs to actually tell if your illegally downloading?

It depends. Do you download mostly just music or games aswell?

[Blacklight]

The reccord industry had pretty much the same freak out over the use of tape reccorders and tried to get them banned in the late 70's early 80's because they claimed people making copies of their tapes and reccord albums were hurting sales in a drastic way. :nope:

It's all just happening again. There's a format change for media going on and the media industry wants to be the sole controllers of the format. Not only that, they are oversaturating the movies, television, and music with music, movies, and shows that are all just copies of stuff showing very little imagination or creativity. The quality of their product is going down, therefore less people are going to buy their stuff (Hey.. lets produce 50 CD's from teenage girls who sound like Britany Spears did ! *IE...DISNEY*) And you wonder why the industry is losing so much money. They're putting tons of money into producing quantiy over quality and when they don't make their fast buck on whatever they market, they blame the downloaders. Boo Hoo !!! :nope: :stare:

I'm not defending the downloaders. I'm just showing a major reason the industry is losing cash.

btw.. it will probably cost more money to put a system in place that can detect a "illegal download" than it would to just let it continue.

What's going on is the customer base is changing and the industry is digging in it's heels trying to keep things like the old days.

[d@rk51d3]

The reccord industry had pretty much the same freak out over the use of tape reccorders and tried to get them banned in the late 70's early 80's because they claimed people making copies of their tapes and reccord albums were hurting sales in a drastic way. :nope:


I remember back in the 80's saving up and finally buying a twin cassete deck, simply to ~backup~ the old C64 cassetes.

Ahhhh, the memories.

[TarJak]

The point that both industries fail to realise is that the people who DL stuff illegally are NOT the people who would be buying their products in the first place. If you wanted to buy it you would have.

[Iceman]

Intresting indeed...

I work for an isp and understand how the internet works...every single bit of info transmitted and recieved has an to and from address so to speak...otherwise how will a packet of information know where to go or know where it is destined to if it has to take alternate routes....but for ISP's to be made the police of this I think is going a little far...what will happen I would think is like it is now...all anyone can do is identify the "Distributors" and the occasional "Recievers" of such illegal activity but to continuously monitor all internet traffic is insane let alone impossible...otherwise I woul dthink the minute tapes with beheadings of innocent people are put onto the web we would be able to track em down a little better...but that I know is a tough job since rerouting and masking of a good hackers trail is hard to find...look at all the email spam...it is dumped onto thru legal avenues then filters down and floods everyones mailboxes....tough problem trying to monitor the net...

How the internet works..classic movie. :) (http://cyberallies.com/miscapplications/ccna1234/My%20Student%20Libarary/goodwarriors.mpeg)

This is a big movie file I put on my own site because it is a great movie for anyone...let it download some if the stream doesnt play smooth...I forget how big it is probably a 100mb or something.

[HunterICX]

My guess the increase of piracy in games have a couple of reasons:

1st, the internet speed nowadays, you can download a file of 1 or 2 gigs in matter of hours if you have a stable high D/L speed. so why go out the door?

2nd the quality of games, quality nowadays is far to be found in PC games, mostly they come half done, and contains more bugs then a cat that has flea's.
and if you know that most games now are for short term...spit out of the pipeline to keep you busy for a week or 2 and then forget about it. or the games that have been overdone too much and only ruin your old day memories IE Command and Conquer.

also the strong point of the game,
most games I see nowadays are about graphics, I dont say its bad..but storyline and gameplay suffer from it.FPS that are too movie like, RTS games that give little challenge as the AI is predictable etc etc

there is thought 1 publisher I follow with its RTS games, and thats blizzard. thought its fantasy I'm big fan of their 2 well done game series Starcraft and Warcraft. from 1994 I played those games, and their sequels where very well done, you could see they put a good amount of work in it to make it worth buying immediatly. they give you a good campaign story line, a good gameplay and lots of fun online, and also they put some good sense of humour in the game, in cutscenes or when you for example excesivly click on a unit it start to say different thing towards you.

HunterICX

[NoTG]

Is it even possible for ISPs to actually tell if your illegally downloading?

It depends. Do you download mostly just music or games aswell?


I mainly download music, sometimes films and games. But they are completed so fast ( in hours, even for films over 800mb) i dont see how they can tell if im downloading. Once my downloads are finished, then i just close my P2P program.

That said it does seem like an impossible task for ISPs to police the internet, also with the amount of people "illegally" downloading i doubt the ISPs will have many customers left. :rotfl:

[NoTG]

My guess the increase of piracy in games have a couple of reasons:

1st, the internet speed nowadays, you can download a file of 1 or 2 gigs in matter of hours if you have a stable high D/L speed. so why go out the door?

2nd the quality of games, quality nowadays is far to be found in PC games, mostly they come half done, and contains more bugs then a cat that has flea's.
and if you know that most games now are for short term...spit out of the pipeline to keep you busy for a week or 2 and then forget about it. or the games that have been overdone too much and only ruin your old day memories IE Command and Conquer.

also the strong point of the game,
most games I see nowadays are about graphics, I dont say its bad..but storyline and gameplay suffer from it.FPS that are too movie like, RTS games that give little challenge as the AI is predictable etc etc

there is thought 1 publisher I follow with its RTS games, and thats blizzard. thought its fantasy I'm big fan of their 2 well done game series Starcraft and Warcraft. from 1994 I played those games, and their sequels where very well done, you could see they put a good amount of work in it to make it worth buying immediatly. they give you a good campaign story line, a good gameplay and lots of fun online, and also they put some good sense of humour in the game, in cutscenes or when you for example excesivly click on a unit it start to say different thing towards you.

HunterICX

I agree, i download games, but if i actually like it i go and buy it. But game developers definatly should actually put effort into their products instead of rushing them out, then having to release so many patches to make the game playable. As far as im concerned all we seem to be are BETA testers for games. :nope:

[Dowly]

Is it even possible for ISPs to actually tell if your illegally downloading?
It depends. Do you download mostly just music or games aswell?

I mainly download music, sometimes films and games. But they are completed so fast ( in hours, even for films over 800mb) i dont see how they can tell if im downloading. Once my downloads are finished, then i just close my P2P program.

That said it does seem like an impossible task for ISPs to police the internet, also with the amount of people "illegally" downloading i doubt the ISPs will have many customers left. :rotfl:

Before you're banned, you'll see the ring.
http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/dreamworks_skg/the_ring/ringimage6.jpg

[Foxtrot]

Is downloading porn that bad? :hmm:

[Dowly]

Is downloading porn that bad? :hmm:

The downloading itself isnt, but the results of watching it may make you blind. :yep:

[STEED]

Is downloading porn that bad? :hmm:

The downloading itself isnt, but the results of watching it may make you blind. :yep:

Hows your treatment coming along Dowly? ;)

[HunterICX]

Is downloading porn that bad? :hmm:

The downloading itself isnt, but the results of watching it may make you blind. :yep:

Hows your treatment coming along Dowly? ;)

:rotfl: hehehehe

HunterICX

[Dowly]

Is downloading porn that bad? :hmm:
The downloading itself isnt, but the results of watching it may make you blind. :yep:
Hows your treatment coming along Dowly? ;)

I got my eyesight back to my left eye. :up:

[STEED]

Is downloading porn that bad? :hmm:
The downloading itself isnt, but the results of watching it may make you blind. :yep:
Hows your treatment coming along Dowly? ;)

I got my eyesight back to my left eye. :up:

Nice to hear it and don't forget no more viewing porn on line.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Is downloading porn that bad? :hmm:
The downloading itself isnt, but the results of watching it may make you blind. :yep:
Hows your treatment coming along Dowly? ;)
I got my eyesight back to my left eye. :up:


How did you only go blind in your le-....


EWWWW :rotfl::rotfl:

[Dowly]

Is downloading porn that bad? :hmm:
The downloading itself isnt, but the results of watching it may make you blind. :yep:
Hows your treatment coming along Dowly? ;)
I got my eyesight back to my left eye. :up:

How did you only go blind in your le-....


EWWWW :rotfl::rotfl:

Rrright... let's just leave it to this, shall we. :rotfl:

[NoTG]

Is downloading porn that bad? :hmm:
The downloading itself isnt, but the results of watching it may make you blind. :yep:
Hows your treatment coming along Dowly? ;)

I got my eyesight back to my left eye. :up:

Ah, did you also try the same procedure that the Irish guy did with that tooth in eye operation?:lol:

Story here if you dont know what im on about: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080228/ts_afp/irelandbritainhealthoffbeat

[kiwi_2005]

My guess the increase of piracy in games have a couple of reasons:

1st, the internet speed nowadays, you can download a file of 1 or 2 gigs in matter of hours if you have a stable high D/L speed. so why go out the door?

2nd the quality of games, quality nowadays is far to be found in PC games, mostly they come half done, and contains more bugs then a cat that has flea's.
and if you know that most games now are for short term...spit out of the pipeline to keep you busy for a week or 2 and then forget about it. or the games that have been overdone too much and only ruin your old day memories IE Command and Conquer.

also the strong point of the game,
most games I see nowadays are about graphics, I dont say its bad..but storyline and gameplay suffer from it.FPS that are too movie like, RTS games that give little challenge as the AI is predictable etc etc

there is thought 1 publisher I follow with its RTS games, and thats blizzard. thought its fantasy I'm big fan of their 2 well done game series Starcraft and Warcraft. from 1994 I played those games, and their sequels where very well done, you could see they put a good amount of work in it to make it worth buying immediatly. they give you a good campaign story line, a good gameplay and lots of fun online, and also they put some good sense of humour in the game, in cutscenes or when you for example excesivly click on a unit it start to say different thing towards you.

HunterICX

Spot on. Yea Blizzard FTW. There games are always stable. Alot of rumors going round that Blizzard are going to make a Warcraft movie no doubt in my mind it will be a hollywood hit.

[RickC Sniper]

Story here if you dont know what im on about: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080228/ts_afp/irelandbritainhealthoffbeat


That's the craziest thing I've ever heard of.........and it actually worked??????????:hmm:

[Yahoshua]

So if you went blind in your eye, whatever happened to your hands?:p

[Dowly]

So if you went blind in your eye, whatever happened to your hands?:p

Let's just say... I've had to replace loads of razorblades lately. :88)

[Kapitan_Phillips]

If they ever take someone to court for that, I hope that person says "Okay, justify for all of us, your £16 for a music CD, when you can purchase blank CDs for 25 pence and burn things on it using commonplace programs (admittedly larger scale) and package them cheaply?

They'll give you some crap about "Oh we have to pay royalties to the artist" last time I checked, that wasnt nearly as much as would be made with those prices.

Physical music media is dying, there's no doubt about it. Its all mp3s and iTunes now, gone are the days when you couldnt find that one Eagles CD and moped for a whole day before realising it was in your tower stereo with record turntable.

[NoTG]

If they ever take someone to court for that, I hope that person says "Okay, justify for all of us, your £16 for a music CD, when you can purchase blank CDs for 25 pence and burn things on it using commonplace programs (admittedly larger scale) and package them cheaply?

They'll give you some crap about "Oh we have to pay royalties to the artist" last time I checked, that wasnt nearly as much as would be made with those prices.

Physical music media is dying, there's no doubt about it. Its all mp3s and iTunes now, gone are the days when you couldnt find that one Eagles CD and moped for a whole day before realising it was in your tower stereo with record turntable.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Well, fingers.:lol:

[sonar732]

Back to a serious note...

If they are so stinkin' worried about illegal downloading, why don't they grab the pedifiles who are in the chat rooms more aggresively?

I have a 13 year old son who I don't allow to use an internet computer unless I'm right there with him and do the research for him. One wrong word in google will return a bunch of crap. In fact, he was in a little bit of trouble because he was doing research at school on the army. Well, google images came up with those extreme sports women in bikini's shooting high powered rifles. He was banned from the computer for a few weeks because he didn't close the window quick enough...probably because a boy going thru puberty would like to look at pictures along those lines.

Anyhow, I've seen current stats of how teens are in the upper percentages of who downloads or watches porn. Why can't we stop that if we're going after illegal downloading of music?

[August]

google images came up with those extreme sports women in bikini's shooting high powered rifles.

Uhh, got a link for that? :cool: