Type Ix Or 7??

[von hally]

quick question kaleuns

ive saved up enough renown to upgrade from a type VII to a type IX

what are the main benefits???
not necceseraly the spec thats shown...ie size/weight/displacement etc..but the actual ingame benefits.

should i go upgrade or use my renown to aqquire all those lovely treats available to my type VII..cos my crew are giving me dirty looks when other type VII's are leaving the docks with new equipment on board!!!! and were still in basically the same standard boat we worked up in the baltic:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Hanomag]

Kaluen,

You will hear good arguments on both sides. There are extensive posts about this topic. But in the end its whichever boat you like better. Try the IX, if you like it keep it. If you dont, reload your old game and keep your VII.

GL on your decision!! :up:

Either way you will have fun.

[harzfeld]

Whichever you feel most comfortable. Sometimes I started with IIA then IID, VIIB, VIIC, IXB, IXC, IXC/40, so on. In 44-45, I mostly prefer to have VIIC/41, 42, and XXI over any other boat cuz they dive deeper and quicker which is most important to me. I don't mind not getting much renown at those late years if I'm using VIIC/41,42 compare to IX varients cuz I always have enough renown to afford whatever I want. For early war year, I like VIIC cuz convoy isn't as interesting until 41 or after that makes me wish I had IXC cuz of how many juicy targets are involved.

[Brag]

The type IX carries a large torpedo load (biggest advantage)
It dives like a lazy cow that's the big disadvantage.
It has longer range (thus longer patrols)

Personally I like the view from the bridge better.

[Foghladh_mhara]

Personally I'm a Type VII kaleun but that probably has more to do with my lack of stamina. I generally find out that my patience is used up long before the 14 eels in my boat. I tried a Type IX once before but just didn't take to it and came home with half my torps still inside. I promptly changed back :D

[Kptlt. Siegmann]

For me, it boils down to a simple question, do I want maneuverability (Type VII) or firepower (Type IX)? Type IX boats also allow you to patrol longer or reach far away places. Like Brag, I like the view from the bridge of the Type IX, and I find the boats appealing (maybe because it's bigger and my disillusion of, if it's bigger, it's deadlier), but you better be prepared for some skillful maneuvering to avoid depth charges and break contact if you're using a Type IX.

[Antiacus]

Nummer Zwei Uber Alles

http://www.barnstormerboats.com/images/nice%20surface%20shot.jpg

Smaller is harder to find.

[T.Von Hogan]

IXB is a fine submarine, one of its biggest advantages in my mind is its air capacity. Its kinda nice being able to stay under 17-18 hrs at a time without C02 levels rising above 50%. Especially in the summertime.

[Tessa]

Another aspect of the IX's is that their dive rate is extremely slow. There's a good chance that you'll take damage just from trying to dive which is frustrating as hell. Conversely though when weather permits my AA PO's shoot down a lot of planes. Oddly enough though O2 seems to be the biggest problem for long submerged sessions, my boat will run out of air before the batteries die.

[ReM]

I have a bit of a deja-vu feeling.......

Anyway I like both U-boats.......

The VII because it feels just right, the type IX because of more eels to fire.

But it is also a matter of taste, therefore I prefer the VII, but for no specific reason...i just like it more, something like preferring vanilla icecream over strawberry.

[STEED]

Try them all. :stare:

[Grayson02sept1980]

Played with a VIIc so far and liked it best:
Faster when it comes to under water (agility and speed)
the smaller torp load is not the problem imho

the IX was always
-too big
- too slow (under water)
- too long patrols

But as said above... I will give it a try now in my second GWX career (the first one was ended by a fatal windows crash and the loss of a whole partition :damn:)

So I started (after I installed EVERYTHING again) my second career in '42 with a IXc and will see :hmm:

Both boats are good its just a matter what you want from wour boat.
If you want to be fast and sneaky under water I suggest you stick with your VII as the IX really is much bigger and more like a buss
But when it comes to firepower the IX is well equiped to rip a whole convoy to pieces :yep: (once you have shot the DDs :lol: )

[Jimbuna]

I joined the navy to see the world
But what did I see
I saw the sea

Visit those far off places in a monsun boat or loiter around West Africa, the Caribbean or East coast of America......IX :rock:

[Grayson02sept1980]

First convoy encounter with my IX in year '42... sneaking in was not a problem!

The boat is very slow compared ti the VII but hey... that is the price for 22 torps and a range of almost 19.000 at 10kts ( the VIIc can still make 12-13.000 at this speed)

[fat jez]

Personally I like the view from the bridge better.
And of course there's more room on the after-deck for Balz's choir :D

Cheers,
Stephen

[von hally]

thanx for the replies all!!!

some good points posted...think i'l try the IX and revert to my VII if i dont like!

seems a bit sly doing this but what the hell:rotfl:

[Wreford-Brown]

In my Atlantic career I use a IX as I love the ability to take a convoy apart with the huge weapon load and get to the US or Caribbean to hunt some tankers.
In my Med career I use a VII as it's smaller, more manoeuvrable and dives quicker (aircraft in the Med seem to be everywhere!). The shorter distances in the Med also mean I don't lose out on range by using a VII.

Different jobs require different tools.

[Grayson02sept1980]

In my Atlantic career I use a IX as I love the ability to take a convoy apart with the huge weapon load and get to the US or Caribbean to hunt some tankers.
In my Med career I use a VII as it's smaller, more manoeuvrable and dives quicker (aircraft in the Med seem to everywhere!). The shorter distances in the Med also mean I don't lose out on range by using a VII.

Different jobs require different tools.

exactly!

I found my new IX (new career) bette for the atlantic and for getting may out of one patrol though the boat really is a bus...

Just be carefull with your IX. It is bigger... so it's a..e is bigger ... and bigger a..es are spottet faster and more easily :rotfl:
That I had to find out the hard way....... :damn:

Was on my second run on a convoy and was hit by a depth charge right ontop of my fromt torp room... all tubes smashed but #1 ... I then shot with the two torps I could use (the one loaded and one left to reload) at leas 14kt with pure luck...
Will be more carefull next time.

Have fun with your IX and I really think they both are good... it is just a matter of taste. :up:

[Konovalov]

Variety is the spice of life. Started a campaign Sep 1939 in Wilhelmshaven with the Type VIIb before transferring to Lorient in 41. I stuck with the VIIb for one more mission before I changed boats to a Type IXb having become a little bored with my VIIb.

My first mission with the IXb and I'm off the east coast of Canada hunting big tankers. First convoy I intercepted was about +18 merchants with 4 escorts. At the convoy center were 3 large tankers and a whale ship of which I sunk 2 of the tankers and the whale ship. I'm now setting myself up for a second run on the convoy to finnish it off. You really appreciate that extra load of torps with the Type IX. :yep:

But as Steed said earlier, "try them all" and alternate every so often. :up:

[Tessa]

Though very long, the trips to the Carribean are usually major hauls. If you can sneak into Curacao sometimes you luck out and there'll be 3 or 4 T2 or T3 tankers sitting there. Plus along the way good 80% of all the traffic are tankers. Though the IXD2's dive time is the worst, if you actually invest in a good Flak crew there is more than ample firepower on that ship to down anything (watching those annoying as hell B-24's crash is so satisfying). Though you almost need to permanently station a repair person on the flak deck, it gets damaged during any fight. Best I've been able to muster so far from down there is 110k, still had 3 eels left but with 4% hull strength left I was just happy to make it home :up:

[Hartmann]

Type IX-B boat for example

Long range or more speed for the same range
High surfaced speed (19-20 Knts in calm waters)
6 torpedoes tubes, 4 forward and two in stern
Good AA guns
Only takes a few seconds more in crash dive compared with VII boats.
23 torpedoes loaded compared with 14
Great for convoys during the happy times.

And Finally i sneaked into the MED with a IX.B boat in a succesfull patrol and survive to return to my base again :yep: .

but my case is special, i always use big boats (sh1,sh4) and i know where are the limits for this tipe of big sharks.

[von hally]

great replies all

thanks hartmann

ive now upgraded to a ix and firs impressions are good

she does dive like a lazy cow:rotfl: but the extra payload is very impressive!!!!
im pleasantly surprised and glad i decided to give it a go

cheers all

[von hally]

sorry trigger happy

[Chisum]

I just get out a Type II/A and I must say that it was the most horrific experience in my kaleun live !
Sorry to the type II's fans but it is my impression.

And in this situation, buy a type VII is a great issue.
But the type IX, espacially the IX/D2, still the beter choice in my opinion.

[msalama]

Sorry to the type II's fans but it is my impression.

Hey, tastes differ so no need to be sorry. I personally love the little critter - just finished my 8th patrol with her and everyone's still alive and happy! I've sunk some 25kt of shipping which I wouldn't say is too much at all, but then my main aim is to survive as long as I can instead of cowboying all around the Nordsee and ending up with my a*se blown to bits...

So yeah, I love that boat. Made one patrol in a VIIB, too, but promptly changed back because this IIA babe is small, compact, nimble and even occasionally deadly - and hey, there're less Bernards there to worry about too! So a tight package she is indeed :up:

But each to their own of course. The real Atlantic warhorse, the VIIC/41, is a different case though IMO - will definitely get her if I make it alive so far.

S! m8.

[Grayson02sept1980]

I guess it is the same between the II vs the VII as it is with the VII vs the IX

the differences are similar.
The last one is:
- bigger
- slower
- has more payload
- can go farer
- can go faster (?? dunno the speed of the type IIs I admit... correct me if you like to)
but also
- is not as agile as the smaller one
- is detected more easily

or am I wrong?

Right now I am used to the "Bus" (IXc)

Lets say:
"Canoe" - II
*dunno* - VII
"Bus" - IX

:hmm:

About the VII I am not sure...
same for the XXI... haven't tried that one.....

[Kipparikalle]

I prefer IX due to amount of torpedoes it carry, and the AA firepower you can install on it.
IX is also better at taking damage, so having a duel with DD mostly ends on your victory. Not to mention when you have 2 x doudlebarreled AA MG's, and 4 x barreled killing machine of planes.

You feel pretty safe in it.

[Grayson02sept1980]

are the towers restricet to certain types of IX boats?

Or can I mount every type of tower I want on ever IX?

Cause the D2 is slower... etc.

I am really satisfied with my IXC right now... though I also liked the speed and agility of the VIIc ...

[Foghladh_mhara]

I prefer IX due to amount of torpedoes it carry, and the AA firepower you can install on it.
IX is also better at taking damage, so having a duel with DD mostly ends on your victory. Not to mention when you have 2 x doudlebarreled AA MG's, and 4 x barreled killing machine of planes.

You feel pretty safe in it.

I assume your talking about surface actions? I'd be surprised if any kind of duel between a u-boat and a Destroyer ended up in a victory for the sub. I cant win a gun battle with an armed merchant nevermind a destroyer!!

[Kipparikalle]

I prefer IX due to amount of torpedoes it carry, and the AA firepower you can install on it.
IX is also better at taking damage, so having a duel with DD mostly ends on your victory. Not to mention when you have 2 x doudlebarreled AA MG's, and 4 x barreled killing machine of planes.

You feel pretty safe in it.
I assume your talking about surface actions? I'd be surprised if any kind of duel between a u-boat and a Destroyer ended up in a victory for the sub. I cant win a gun battle with an armed merchant nevermind a destroyer!!

Just fight with them long enought and you can sink them pretty fast.

Heres couple of tips:

1.shoot on the command desk, it makes the guns less accurate.
2.shoot on the front, below the waterline. It blows up pretty nicely.
3.Go straight at the DD, I know it sounds crazy, but I'll explain below.
4.When the destroyer comes straight at you, shoot torpedo that detonates magnetically at it. Don't make extra turns so that the DD doesn't change its course to ram you.
5.???
6.Profit!!!

[P_Funk]

There are 3 ways to open a can of worms on this forum:

-Criticize GWX

-Talk about Starforce

-ask 'VII or IX?'

:rotfl:

I've seen them all. This one is the least painful to watch.

[msalama]

Ahem :oops: OK, just a minor note / correction if you don't mind:

Turned out I had a BIG problem with the VIIB when I first tried it out. That problem is now fixed so I of course did upgrade after all, regardless of loudly rooting for the petite beauty earlier :p

My 1st patrol in it though, so let's see how I like it in the long run...

[Jimbuna]

There are 3 ways to open a can of worms on this forum:

-Criticize GWX

-Talk about Starforce

-ask 'VII or IX?'

:rotfl:

I've seen them all. This one is the least painful to watch.

LOL :rotfl:

[Tessa]

I guess it is the same between the II vs the VII as it is with the VII vs the IX

the differences are similar.
The last one is:
- bigger
- slower
- has more payload
- can go farer
- can go faster (?? dunno the speed of the type IIs I admit... correct me if you like to)
but also
- is not as agile as the smaller one
- is detected more easily

or am I wrong?

Right now I am used to the "Bus" (IXc)

Lets say:
"Canoe" - II
*dunno* - VII
"Bus" - IX

:hmm:

About the VII I am not sure...
same for the XXI... haven't tried that one.....

As far as the IX's go, the IXC seems to be the best balance between having good speed and a little measure of maneauverability. The IXD2 is like some double decker streched bus, the thing is so massive. Its great for raiding convoys and going to exotic places; plus you can actually put up a real wicked AA defense once you get the big guns. The VIIc's and the IXD's are both great boats with their own vices and virtures, really boils down to which style of patrol you like.


are the towers restricet to certain types of IX boats?

Or can I mount every type of tower I want on ever IX?

Cause the D2 is slower... etc.

I am really satisfied with my IXC right now... though I also liked the speed and agility of the VIIc ...

Pretty sure you can get any of the towers for each of the IX's, for the flak guns to be real effective getting PO's with the flak qualification really makes a difference. Is really nice late in the war to fight off the first few planes they send out so you can dive before the squadrons of B-24's show up to carpetbomb the sea.