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joegrundman
02-24-08, 03:44 AM
Is anyone interested in playing a forum game of A World at War?

http://www.aworldatwar.com/ (http://www.aworldatwar.com/)

If so I propose that we try a forum game here at Subsim. If you are interested, please post below with your preferences.

What is a World at War?

It is a hugely detailed and complex board game that represents the entirety of WW2, but at an unimaginably greater level of detail than, say, Axis and Allies. It covers European and Pacific theaters, three fronts in each theater, naval and land forces, strategic warfare, diplomacy and science.

The game occupies a similar position on the sim-game scale as Silent Hunter. It is most certainly not a complete simulation although based on as much fact as possible, but it is weighted to keep both sides competitive. Although the Allies win more games, Axis victory is possible.


The rulebook is formidably large. Like all these things, once you have absorbed the rules you see that the same few principles recur throughout the game and it is not so very difficult to understand, but a lot of reading is required before you get to that point. However, the more players that are involved, the more individuals can specialize, - e.g. focus on pacific naval ops or the Mediterranean, or strategic warfare. This means that noone needs to really understand everything about the game, just your own area. If you need to combine arms you can ask a team mate who has specialized in that are. Also once it's underway, you'll see that things happen and you learn quickly. Anyway, I’ll write guides and give prompts to help play along.

Nonetheless, this should only be of interest to people who are able and willing to absorb quite a lot of information in a reasonable amount of time.

Some here may think board games are a thing of the past, but this is not the case. The internet has given them a new mode of being and in fact internet based games often have an intensity and thrill that playing face to face cannot equal. Also, with multiplayer board games, the opponent AI is usually really, really good.


The time frame of play on a forum based game is much slower than when a group of people play around a board, several months instead of hours. This means that the amount of time required on a daily basis is not that great and indeed days may pass by with nothing much happening, but it also means the amount of thought going into each move is much greater and so the standard of play is much higher. You also are less likely to get tired, or feel you have to abandon the game to watch Friends or eat something. The design of the game is such that players can join or drop out or go on vacation as they please without causing serious problems. The only requirement is that the number of players cannot drop below 5. There is essentially no upper limit as to how many players there are.


Neal has given permission for this, and I believe once it gets going it will be an event of great interest and excitement for participants and spectators alike.

Also, it even has a fairly detailed set of rules that involve submarines!

Anyway, I think it would be really good fun. Sign up and feel free to post your interest.

Please use the following formula for preference:

Preferences: Any/Axis/Allies/Western Allies/USSR/European Axis/Japan/ or even by country USA/Germany/Italy and for a small but important role, Nationalist China.

Job: Any/Navy/Army/Leadership

e.g.

Preference: US
Job: Navy

e.g.

Preference: Any
Job: Leadership

Note: some positions, such as the USA and the USSR will not have very much to do for the first few turns, so are ideal for people who want a little more time to get sorted out. On the other hand, of course, by the time you meet the axis, they will be good at it ;)

In my opinion, this game will be the most fun if we have at least 20 people willing to play, and so once we have 20 names I’ll start sending out information and try to build a forum.

Sign up first and you win first choice!

Joe

Skybird
02-24-08, 04:57 AM
We had a chess tournament here in style of public correspondence chess, so why not. Looking forward to enjoy this as a spectator.

Kapitan_Phillips
02-24-08, 05:33 AM
I'll have a go :)

Preference: United Kingdom
Job: Laundry

No, seriously:

Preference: United Kingdom
Job: Navy

AkbarGulag
02-24-08, 05:52 AM
Name: AkbarGulag
National Preference: USSR
National Role Preference: Army

I'm off to read the rules... Bring it.

Kapitan Phillips welcome Comrade. I feel we will be sending eachother many private messages ^^

TarJak
02-24-08, 06:48 AM
I'd love to but US$175 is a bit steep for a board game. Even a detailed one.

Oberon
02-24-08, 07:02 AM
Preference: Germany
Job: Navy

joegrundman
02-24-08, 08:00 AM
Nice to see there's some interest already:up:

Don't be scared by the rules -there will be an introduction to them, some illustrated examples and i may even make a brief academy to illustrate the way they work.

Anyway,

I should add:

available nations are

Communist China (joins USSR upon USSR entry)
Nationalist China (joins USA upon USA entry)
France (joins other Western Allies upon defeat)
Germany
Great Britain
Italy
Japan
USA
USSR

AkbarGulag
02-24-08, 08:08 AM
I'd love to but US$175 is a bit steep for a board game. Even a detailed one.

Who has to pay what sorry? I didn't see it say it would cost anywhere :o

sonar732
02-24-08, 08:27 AM
Nation: USA
Role: Leadership

JSLTIGER
02-24-08, 09:09 AM
Nation: USA
Role: Leadership (first choice); Navy (second choice)

Torplexed
02-24-08, 12:04 PM
Isn't this game Avalon Hill's old Third Reich board game expanded to include the whole world?

Stealth Hunter
02-24-08, 01:29 PM
Name: Franz Stabbert
Allegience: German Third Reich
Department: Navy

TarJak
02-24-08, 02:04 PM
I'd love to but US$175 is a bit steep for a board game. Even a detailed one.
Who has to pay what sorry? I didn't see it say it would cost anywhere :oHow are you going to keep track of what you are doing if you don't have a copy of the game? :hmm: Sorry to bust a bubble or two, but In all PBM or PBEM games I've played I had to have a copy of the game so I knew what pieces were where.

Stealth Hunter
02-24-08, 02:06 PM
W-W-WHAT?! 175 DORRA?!!

:asian:

Nay! I shan't pay this.

JSLTIGER
02-24-08, 02:50 PM
Scratch the above then...I can't afford $175.

Skybird
02-24-08, 05:07 PM
Guys, wait for World in Flames, like I do. It's the PC conversion of the famous board cosim.

the board game:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_in_Flames
(check the links under "external links" at the end ;) the board game rule book edition 7 is to be found there)

the PC game:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tt.asp?forumid=110

the PBM details:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1142048

the maps:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1555903

the counters:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1284290

Torplexed
02-24-08, 05:26 PM
Guys, wait for World in Flames, like I do. It's the PC conversion of the famous board cosim.

the board game:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_in_Flames
(check the links under "external links" at the end ;) the board game rule book edition 7 is to be found there)

the PC game:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tt.asp?forumid=110

the PBM details:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1142048

the maps:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1555903

the counters:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1284290

Seems like the WiF PC conversion has been in development for years now. They anywhere near a release date?

Skybird
02-24-08, 06:14 PM
Seems like the WiF PC conversion has been in development for years now. They anywhere near a release date?
Yes indeed, but I prefer it to be this way than to see a project of this epic magnitude being rushed - and infested by a record number of ctd's and non-working details. Their public notification policy should be business standard, however.

release: very optimistic: not before late autumn, more likely 2009. It got delayed again due to personal problems:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=910849&mpage=17

Until then, when I want to see hexfields, I have Steel Panthers MBT, or TOAW3, although I never really got into the latter. the unstructured and overloaded interface with it's bad and far too small fonts keep me away, cause it makes my eyes burning, no matter at what resolution. Good idea - but lousy execution in the visual and interface design field - a waste, and thus a shame. Otherwise, this could have eventually been a benchmark.

Torplexed
02-24-08, 06:23 PM
It's good to know that it'll finally see the light of day someday. Something to look forward to.:up:

I've been trying another Matrix Games WW2 title: Gary Grigsby's World at War, A World Divided. It's fairly complex given it's 'Axis & Allies' look and the seasonal turns and it's playable in a human lifetime. ;) But I've always found it difficult to warm up to area-based games like this one and HOI. Always seems so arbitrary how they divide up the world for movement and combat purposes.

http://neptoon.homestead.com/Europe.jpg

joegrundman
02-24-08, 06:34 PM
Yes, it is the much updated and expanded Third Reich by Avalon Hill.

Should this take place, the game would take place using software and a forum. Naturally if anyone is then inspired to buy the game, it'll keep you and your family amused for hours;)

The rulebook is very large, it is true, but it is not necessary to have that detailed a knowledge before play begins in games where there is a GM, which there would be here.

We could start maybe with a couple of smaller scenarios so people get a feel for how it works and whether a bigger game is what they would like to do.

CCIP
02-24-08, 06:38 PM
Well then, I'll take Soviet Navy :p

TarJak
02-24-08, 09:16 PM
Yes, it is the much updated and expanded Third Reich by Avalon Hill.

Should this take place, the game would take place using software and a forum. Naturally if anyone is then inspired to buy the game, it'll keep you and your family amused for hours;)

The rulebook is very large, it is true, but it is not necessary to have that detailed a knowledge before play begins in games where there is a GM, which there would be here.

We could start maybe with a couple of smaller scenarios so people get a feel for how it works and whether a bigger game is what they would like to do.Cool:sunny: Free is always better! I'll go for the German Air Force.

joegrundman
02-26-08, 07:13 PM
That's great! But we need people to take on Leadership roles. Germany, italy, japan and Britain require leadership!

there is already quite a bit of interest here. Once i have a few more volunteers we can get going

joe

Torvald Von Mansee
02-27-08, 03:47 AM
Leadership, eh? Hmm.....:hmm:

TteFAboB
02-27-08, 01:38 PM
If you could carve a small 1-province/hex/whatever nation on the map for noobs I'd take the combined positions of Leadership, Army, and glorious Navy of Switzerland.

Actually, the rule book scares me. How about a game of Risk? :rotfl:

TarJak
02-27-08, 02:07 PM
That's great! But we need people to take on Leadership roles. Germany, italy, japan and Britain require leadership!

there is already quite a bit of interest here. Once i have a few more volunteers we can get going

joeAll right bugger the German Air Force I'll take on leadership of Britain. I hereby declare it a malevolent dictatorship and all the PC buggers will be deported to Antarctica. :D Steed, you can stay as long as you don't post another whinge about their PC crap.:lol:

joegrundman
02-27-08, 06:35 PM
If you could carve a small 1-province/hex/whatever nation on the map for noobs I'd take the combined positions of Leadership, Army, and glorious Navy of Switzerland.

Actually, the rule book scares me. How about a game of Risk? :rotfl:

How about Belgium?

The rulebook is indeed scary, but the good news is that there will be some practice sessions and I will be explaining the rules as we go along - i'm just the GM so I'll be impartial.

Also I'm writing a much shorter guide to the rules with just the salient points, and I'm amazed at how short it really is.

you need not worry too much either - it's a noob game, not an expert level one so the important thing is to remember to have fun.

P.s. Why play risk when diplomacy exists?

joegrundman
03-03-08, 12:18 AM
OK The game wil begin - please go take a look at this forum here and say hello!

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=233