Can't Win for losing/US Embassy In Belgrade

[DeepIron]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7256158.stm
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/02/21/kosovo.independence/index.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL2087155420080221

Demonstrators attack and burn the US Embassy in Belgrade... Has the US become the "Universal Villan" of the world?

[Konovalov]

Has the US become the "Universal Villan" of the world?
No. Didn't you see the footage of Kosovan people holding and waving American flags over the recent days?

My question is what were the Serbian law enforcement authorities doing or more precisely not doing? It was pretty obvious from 0 hour that the US Embassy would be a target for ultra-nationalists wanting to let off some steam. The embassy should have had Serbian security units stationed outside it for at least a week after the Kosovo independance move. I find it very difficult to believe that this was nothing more than an oversight on Serbia's part. :nope: :nope: :nope:

[DeepIron]

No. Didn't you see the footage of Kosovan people holding and waving American flags over the recent days? No, I didn't actually. I was on the road and not around any news broadcasts.

And I understand from reading the news articles, the bulk of the protesters were peaceful. My point being, why is it the US Embassies that seem to always be the targets for "letting off steam" as you say...

[Konovalov]

And I understand from reading the news articles, the bulk of the protesters were peaceful.
Yep, that is the impression that I also had. Reports account for around a crowd of 150,000 to 200,000 peaceful protestors while the number was put at 1,000 who violently attacked and set fire to the US Embassy. So yes, a minority only being violent and participating in disgraceful behaviour.

My point being, why is it the US Embassies that seem to always be the targets for "letting off steam" as you say...
Because they are an easy target and always have been I guess.

Sadly now I have just heard on the TV news that a badly charred body has been found in the US embassy. :down:

The more I look at this the more I become convinced that the Serbian authorities let this happen. :shifty:

[Ishmael]

Serb security forces clear US Embassy Compund in Belgrade:

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7613/cnnlunareclipsenw9.jpg


A rather novel approach, don't you think?

[baggygreen]

why dont the protesting serbs go and moon every embassy thats recognised kosovo? it'll keep em busy for a while thats for sure!

very novel approach:rotfl:

[baggygreen]

Now i have to ask, why the hell didnt the Marine guards open fire? the embassy grounds are US territory anyway, so its illegal for them to be there, then you've got criminal acts against foreign property, and then tearing down the flag? :nope:

shoot em.

[bookworm_020]

Well it seems that there not much smarter when it comes to starting fires.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/body-found-in-us-embassy/2008/02/22/1203467318991.html

So much for the security guards who are there to protect it! I wonder how long it will take for them to start screaming that it was a US Sniper who killed the one found in the Embassy:hmm:

[Happy Times]

Other embassys have also been attacked. This is the result of the illegal war and illegal declarance of independence. Autonomy for Kosovo would have been a good solution, that would have kept peace. This time the Russians are right, a Pandoras box has been opened in Europe. Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Slovakia, Czech republic, Bulgaria and Romania are EU countries not recognizing Kosovo. Others are Russia, India, China, Argentina, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa and others..

[elite_hunter_sh3]

its our land you (USA/western powers) have no right to tell us to apologize for kicking you out, you have no right to tell us how to rule our country, sayonara and goodbye and dont even think about coming back http://www.msnemotions.org/emoticons/uploads/byesmiley.gif

[Happy Times]

Other embassys have also been attacked. This is the result of the illegal war and illegal declarance of independence. Autonomy for Kosovo would have been a good solution, that would have kept peace. This time the Russians are right, a Pandoras box has been opened in Europe. Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Slovakia, Czech republic, Bulgaria and Romania are EU countries not recognizing Kosovo. Others are Russia, India, China, Argentina, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa and others..

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=131408

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Happy Times can you confirm that Canada will not recognize independence??

[elite_hunter_sh3]

how is it US territory????:damn: its SERBIA not USA...:roll: why should we defend them when they bombed us back in 1999???:down:

[Konovalov]

Mods Tak or Neal,

Could you merge this thread with the other one if possible titled US Embassy In Belgrade Attacked by Rioters : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=131419

Thanks. :up:

[Konovalov]

(USA/western powers) have no right to tell us to apologize for kicking you out,

Not sure where you get this idea that Serbia has kicked out the U.S.A. From what I have seen a bunch of football hooliganstyled thugs set fire to the US Embassy and may have killed an innocent person believed to be trapped in the embassy during the violent attack.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

err. the person that died was most likely a protestor.. americans said all US embassy personell were accounted for. and what i meant is it is an insult to say that US embassy is US territory on our land... (well WAS u.s territory :lol:):shifty:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7256158.stm
The body has not been identified, though US officials said all embassy staff of US nationality had been accounted for.

[Konovalov]

err. the person that died was most likely a protestor..
Hence I said "may have killed an innocent person".

[Konovalov]

Happy Times can you confirm that Canada will not recognize independence??

Canada haven't made an official decision public yet. I would be surprised if they did not going on recent form over the last decade or so. Ukraine, Croatia, Slovenia, and Macedonia to name but four which Canada was quick to recognize independance.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i think canada will take their time with this one ( ie Quebec nationalism in the 90s) Canada will tread lightly because if they recognize independence of Kosovo, then Quebec will have an excuse to declare independence without a referendum. and as a canadian i dont want Quebec to seperate.

[August]

its our land you (USA/western powers) have no right to tell us to apologize for kicking you out, you have no right to tell us how to rule our country, sayonara and goodbye and dont even think about coming back http://www.msnemotions.org/emoticons/uploads/byesmiley.gif

Says the guy who abandoned his country to live in the hated west...

[Skybird]

The violent outburst by Milosevic was in the gbeginning of the modern events.

Since then, the EU decided to fight a rogue guy - milosevic - by picking a rogue ally (Albanians, UCK). And just some years ago the chief of the Kosovo government - was labelled a terrorist by the US, and the UCK rated as a terror organization.

The EU then found itself in a no win-no win situation it had created itself.

Fact is nobody in the Eu wants any more new members - and that is more than true for Kosovo which means only investement, no returns whatever. Recognizing it also is in explicit violation of a UN resolution ruling for the serbian inegrity of what was left of Yugoslavia at that time, and it encourages separatist movements that some EU members do not want to encourage. But the carrot has been held in front of their "partners" since years.

So for the EU the situation currently is unsatisfactory in every way, the Us got their territory to build their damn pipeline, while the Eu is left with the question why once again it took a much greater bite than it could swallow.

Will it stop the EU acting like fools? Hardly. More outspurts of famntastic words is to be expected of how nice and well it all is. Or will be. Or is hoped it will become. One day, maybe, eventually.

Considering all these factors, all sides got what they deserved: the serbs lost what they tried to keep by violence and supiession, the Albanians got independence that means nothing since they are a totally dependant asylum for the poor and are doomed to face a hard wakeup soon without any bright future to come (which will cost them miseably), the EU got a couple of more problems and contradictions in which it entangled itself in, the russians lost influence and strategic territory for the pipeline of the West that will compete with their own ambition to make europe dependant of their russian oil and gas ressources, and America - well, at first glance America is the only winner here: it got the ground for the pipeline freed from russian influence, and it has weakened the foreign political rival that europe is by transplanting a never healing centre of disruptions into the EU and made it comply with US demands. delivering Russia another blow in it's international influence may cheer up the egos at home, but in the long run it probably will not prove to have been a wise move, since Rthe Russians are needed in varuious issue in the UN council - and that they give that support easily now can be doubted. So even the gain for the americans has its price.

Dumm gelaufen. My sympathy is extremely limited for all sides.

[Onkel Neal]

Serb security forces clear US Embassy Compund in Belgrade:

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7613/cnnlunareclipsenw9.jpg


A rather novel approach, don't you think?

I think they are bending over for some more of what Uncle Sam gave them in 1999 :arrgh!:

[Onkel Neal]

what i meant is it is an insult to say that US embassy is US territory on our land... (well WAS u.s territory :lol:):shifty:



That's the same for all embassies everywhere, they are considered soverign to the country of the embassy. So the Serbian embassy or consulate in Washington is considered Serbian land.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

you mean
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/1664/f117nn76va.jpg

http://www.serbnews.com/f117/f117wreck12.jpg
http://www.serbnews.com/f117/f117_2.jpg:up:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/f16cj008.jpg
http://www.aeronautics.ru/a/apache06.jpg




http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/yugotank01.jpg
American percision bombs will ALWAYS hit their target:up:

[Onkel Neal]

Oh, so Serbia won that war?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

nope, it was mearly postponed... :shifty:

edit: i dont remember US troops directly invading Serbian land and fighting with JNA, just a air war.......

[Kapitan_Phillips]

its our land you (USA/western powers) have no right to tell us to apologize for kicking you out, you have no right to tell us how to rule our country, sayonara and goodbye and dont even think about coming back http://www.msnemotions.org/emoticons/uploads/byesmiley.gif

And the beast is back.

[Brag]

The problem is: The Kosovo conflict has not been resolved. Simply, a page has been turned. At least, in the short term we will have plenty of trouble there. A foreign presence will be required for maintaining a modicum of peace. This makes independence a sort of a joke.

[AkbarGulag]

This time the Russians are right, a Pandoras box has been opened in Europe. Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Slovakia, Czech republic, Bulgaria and Romania are EU countries not recognizing Kosovo. Others are Russia, India, China, Argentina, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa and others..

Nor should we. I don't see why pandering to a group of seperatists who identifiy themselves as coming from a thrid country, then alllowing them to chop up a sovereign nation is in any way a rational or responsible move. Thats my take.

My Governments take, will be the legality of such a move and the pre-existing legal precedents. It will also consider what such precedents mean in a global sense and if they will contribute constructively to a peaceful global outlook. From what we are seeing here, it's not peaceful or legal.

If this seperatism is going to be condoned, well, good luck with your own problems. IF the serbs once again push for the partition of Bosnia, Croatia, Montenegro. Then the US and the EU (A divided EU, but nonetheless is sending troops to enforce this), with their moral instinct, clearly think its a good idea... unless i'm missing simething here?

[Skybird]

edit: i dont remember US troops directly invading Serbian land and fighting with JNA, just a air war.......

Just an air war Indeed. Clever, eh? Or did you expect them to march up in line with a poster saying "Hit us here"...?

P.S. but I give you that most precision ammo agaimnst fixed poisitions and armoured vehicles fell astray or was fooled by dummy targets. at least the Britsh admitted that. But although the Serbian forces withdraw intact and without real losses - they still retreated. Obviously the way the war was fought acchieved it's goal: acchieving the mission obejective of serbian withdrawal and not offering Serbia many chances to do damage to Western troops in return.

[Brag]

The attacking of American Embassies became fashionable in South America and like a lot of Latin American exports, like the Tango, later Salsa, it spread around the world.

It's no fun attacking a Chinese Embassy, they don't call themselves leaders of the Eastern World.

It is equally boring to attack a German embassy. Germany quietly minds its own business.

British embassies are a monument to past grandeur, too nice to mess up.

French embassies teach French. Bring your own cheese and wine.

Kiribiti doesn't have enough money for embassies, you have to sail there to start trouble.

[baggygreen]

I was wondering when Elite was gonna be released and put up a post.

I've subsequently seen that other embassies were also attacked, but it doesnt seem as though the damage was anywhere near that of the US consulate??

I still wanna know where the security was tho? US security i mean, not the serb police outside the doors..

[baggygreen]

nope, it was mearly postponed... :shifty:

edit: i dont remember US troops directly invading Serbian land and fighting with JNA, just a air war.......As a slight aside, i really have to ask - do you honestly believe that in a full scale conflict the serbian army would have a chance against the US?

Thankfully i really just dont see it ever coming to that, but im very much of the opinion that the Serbian army would last 10 mins

[Etienne]

i think canada will take their time with this one ( ie Quebec nationalism in the 90s) Canada will tread lightly because if they recognize independence of Kosovo, then Quebec will have an excuse to declare independence without a referendum. and as a canadian i dont want Quebec to seperate.

Nobody ever talked about Quebec declaring independence without a referendum. That would, indeed, be illegal and unjustified. Furthermore, the government in Quebec is a Liberal Party minority government, with an ADQ opposition. Neither of these parties are independentists. (Although the ADQ kinds of waffles on the subject). Do you actually watch the news?

The matter is that for years, Canada has insisted that it would not have to recognize the independence of Quebec if it was declared unilaterally (IE, after a referendum). Kosovo just created a precedent.

It won't happen for a good long while, anyway, since the PQ is a wreck right now.

[JSLTIGER]

how is it US territory????:damn: its SERBIA not USA...:roll: why should we defend them when they bombed us back in 1999???:down:

First of all, for a guy who feels worthy enough to butt into American affairs and elections, for you to make a comment like that is just...:nope:

Secondly, embassies of any nation are sovereign parts of the host nation. Thus, US embassies all over the world are US territory just as Serbian embassies are Serbia's territory.


Under international law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law), diplomatic missions enjoy an extraterritorial status (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterritoriality) and thus, although remaining part of the host country's territory, they are exempt from local law and in almost all respects treated as being part of the territory of the home country. They are also only required to pay taxes equal to their respective countries' guidelines.
As the host country may not enter the representing country's embassy without permission, embassies are sometimes used by refugees (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugee) escaping from either the host country or a third country. For example, North Korean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea) nationals, who would be arrested and deported from China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China) upon discovery, have sought sanctuary at various third-country embassies in China. Once inside the embassy, diplomatic channels can be used to solve the issue and send the refugees to another country. Notable violations of embassy extraterritoriality include the Iran hostage crisis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis) (1979–1981), the Japanese embassy hostage crisis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_embassy_hostage_crisis) which took place in Lima (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lima), Peru (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peru) 1996, the 2006 embassy burnings in Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran), Lebanon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon) and Syria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syria) of Danish, Norwegian and Chilean embassies.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

right now at this min, id rather think the US army would not do as good as you might think..... they barely have any reserves.. the civilian population wont let a draft happen.. and the serb population fit for military service are signing up in record numbers ever since kosovo decided to split... we are more then willing to fight even though we are at a disatvantage.. keep in mind we have up to 2million fit for military service and what ruled out russia sending a few crates of weapons or ammo??.....:hmm:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

you bombed hospitals and schools and civilian targets in 1999...
http://www.beograd.org.yu/cms/view.php?id=201271

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Targeting_of_civilian_areas_during_Operation_Allie d_Force

the US embassy in my opinion didnt deserve protection by the serbian police, where was your own security?? (surely you thought since serbia was a-ok for the past 5 years that security wasnt needed?? :lol:)

im happy to see it burn..:yep: (not happy for the protestor that was killed in the blaze:-?)

[August]

First of all, for a guy who feels worthy enough to butt into American affairs and elections, for you to make a comment like that is just...:nope:

:yep: Ding Ding, we have a winner!

[JSLTIGER]

the US embassy in my opinion didnt deserve protection by the serbian police, where was your own security?? (surely you thought since serbia was a-ok for the past 5 years that security wasnt needed?? :lol:)

im happy to see it burn..:yep: (not happy for the protestor that was killed in the blaze:-?)
Regardless of your opinion, the Serbian government was bound by international law to protect that embassy. They should be held responsible and be made to pay for the damage caused by their negligence.

The fact that you're "happy to see it burn" is yet another reason that I'm thrilled that you don't live here. Hopefully, you'll never be allowed to reside here.

[sonar732]

DON'T FEED THE TROLL!

They'll be banned once again anyway.

[sonar732]

Where's the popcorn?:arrgh!::arrgh!:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

i ran out :down::damn: i gotta go buy some soon... damm popcorn machine died on me again... :nope::down::shifty:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

New rumours on the Death at the US embassy could possibly be

Čedomir "Čeda" Jovanović

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%8Cedomir_Jovanovi%C4%87

alot of people in those riots wanted him dead.. it looks like they just might get their wish :-? FYI THIS IS JUST HEARSAY... hasnt been confirmed but its better then nothing..

[nikimcbee]

Serb security forces clear US Embassy Compund in Belgrade:

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7613/cnnlunareclipsenw9.jpg


A rather novel approach, don't you think?

I think they are bending over for some more of what Uncle Sam gave them in 1999 :arrgh!:

I think a sub launched TLAM will fit nicely in there.:up:

[HunterICX]

@Nikimcbee: :rotfl: nice one

HunterICX

[Takeda Shingen]

Merged on request.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Wouldnt this classify as an invasion of US soil? I always thought the site of a foreign embassy counted as part of the foreign country it represents :hmm:

But maybe I just want to see those mooner's faces when an A-10 flies over em :rotfl:

[Konovalov]

Serb security forces clear US Embassy Compund in Belgrade:

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7613/cnnlunareclipsenw9.jpg


A rather novel approach, don't you think?

I think they are bending over for some more of what Uncle Sam gave them in 1999 :arrgh!:

I think a sub launched TLAM will fit nicely in there.:up:

Ouch. :o

You forgot this:

http://www.fatcitytattoo.com/vaseline.jpg

[Skybird]

You forgot this:

http://www.fatcitytattoo.com/vaseline.jpg

No. Considering the thrust a TLAM's engine produces, it is not needed.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Putin Threatens War over Kosovo

putin threatens to invade kosovo

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=44203&sectionid=351020602

:()1::()1:

[Konovalov]

Putin Threatens War over Kosovo

putin threatens to invade kosovo

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=44203&sectionid=351020602

:()1::()1:

Why haven't you jumped on the first available flight out of YYZ, YYC or wherever in Canada that you are? I thought you wanted to join your buddies and stand shoulder to shoulder with them or should that be butt cheek to butt cheek. :roll:

[bradclark1]

Putin Threatens War over Kosovo

putin threatens to invade kosovo

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=44203&sectionid=351020602

:()1::()1:
Question is, do you have the testicular fortitude to join your brothers?:hmm:

[Ishmael]

Serb security forces clear US Embassy Compund in Belgrade:

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/7613/cnnlunareclipsenw9.jpg


A rather novel approach, don't you think?

I think they are bending over for some more of what Uncle Sam gave them in 1999 :arrgh!:

I think a sub launched TLAM will fit nicely in there.:up:

Actually, I liked the CNN tag line, "Breaking News" More like Breaking Wind. On a side note, Dick Cheney sent this photo to the UN as proof that Serbia now has and is using Chemical Weapons, or is it biological weapons, or both?

[Konovalov]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: I was wondering how long it would be before a WMD line.

[August]

Putin Threatens War over Kosovo

putin threatens to invade kosovo

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=44203&sectionid=351020602

:()1::()1: Question is, do you have the testicular fortitude to join your brothers?:hmm:

I got ten bucks that says he doesn't...

[Zayphod]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7256158.stm
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/02/21/kosovo.independence/index.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL2087155420080221

Demonstrators attack and burn the US Embassy in Belgrade... Has the US become the "Universal Villan" of the world?

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target.

[Konovalov]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7256158.stm
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/02/21/kosovo.independence/index.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL2087155420080221

Demonstrators attack and burn the US Embassy in Belgrade... Has the US become the "Universal Villan" of the world?

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target.

I'm sure that there were attacks on other embassies. Yep. :yep: The UK, German, and Turkish embassies along with Western business interests were the target of attacks in addition to the US embassy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7258153.stm

[fredbass]

This situation will more or less blow over in due time. Kosova now has it's own independence and it will more than likely stay that way.

Though the Serbs are not happy about it, I think they've learned their lesson the hard way once b4 and I don't think they're dumb enough to let this situation get too much further out of hand or the U.S. won't hesitate to do some more spanking again. :yep:

I'll bet on it.

[JALU3]

Wonder where there Marine Security Group was when this occured? I could understand if they were elsewhere protecting the personnel, and gave ground to not give political fuel to this very small fire . . . but you gotta wonder if they really had to defend themselves and their charges, how far they would go . . . furthermore, how much reinforcements would we send.
Gotta wonder if there is a broken arrow like plan already developed for such contingencies.

[August]

Gotta wonder if there is a broken arrow like plan already developed for such contingencies.

I would think there's gotta be given our experience with the Iran embassy hostage crisis in '79.

[Skybird]

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target.
They did. Seven nations are affected all in all.

[Jimbuna]

Gotta wonder if there is a broken arrow like plan already developed for such contingencies.

I would think there's gotta be given our experience with the Iran embassy hostage crisis in '79.

I bloody well hope so http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/2108/thumbsupkc7.gif

[darius359au]

Wonder where there Marine Security Group was when this occured? I could understand if they were elsewhere protecting the personnel, and gave ground to not give political fuel to this very small fire . . . but you gotta wonder if they really had to defend themselves and their charges, how far they would go . . . furthermore, how much reinforcements would we send.
Gotta wonder if there is a broken arrow like plan already developed for such contingencies.
The US embassy had been closed and boarded up 3-4 days before this after a previous protest- Do you really think they would have been so "Heroic" if anyone had been there?.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

"We will not rest until Kosovo is again under Serbia's control. Hitler could not take it away from us, and neither will today's Western powers," - Courtest of Our Prime Minister

... bring it.. i know for a fact we would rather die fighting and lose rather then sit by and watch it rot away at the hands of terrorists.. and yes i will be on the first plane ticket out of Canada to Beograd im already "in the books" meaning since im 18 i will have to serve the 1 year required basic training (as all males have to do this) me and about 40-50 other serbs i know well also have this planned out... :rock:

http://images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2007/01/22/serb.jpg
Most Of you dont realize how many serbs are willing to die for this flag and for our country, as my Great great grandfathers from both sides of my family died in that battle so will i if it comes to it, only reason europe isnt islamic is because of that battle, we sacrificed our country as we lost 90% of our armies on that battle, then the hungarians took us over because we were depleted of men and wealth due to the battle, all of our soldiers died in that battle even royalty.. so dont go saying we will just sit back and watch it rot away... its all a waiting game now.. and my travel agent is waiting for my call to book me a 1 way ticket to battle and most likely death...... so keep laughing about it and declare kosovo has independence, when kosovo terrorists start killing your people in terrorist attacks you will think otherwise... :shifty:

[Happy Times]

US to evacuate staff from Serbia

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7259327.stm

Kosovo's Prime Minister Hashim Thaci said on Friday the embassy attacks reminded him of the era of former Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic.

Mr Thaci said: "What we saw were terrible things. It was a reaction against a democratic world."

Hashim Thaçi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashim_Tha%C3%A7i


Criminal activities

Thaci is known to have extensive criminal links. During the period of time when Thaci was head of the Kosovo Liberation Army, it was reported by the Washington Times to be financing its activities by trafficking heroin and cocaine into western Europe.[6] While Thaci was head of the Democratic Party of Kosovo, the party regularly used violence and intimidation of political rivals to maintain political control. This was done in order to protect criminal enterprises that depended upon cooperation from friendly local authorities.[7] According to Can Karpat, writing for AxisGlobe.com,

Thaci is also known as the organiser of the Drenica-Group. The group controlled between 10-15 per cent of criminal activities in Kosovo in connection with smuggling of arms, stolen cars, oil and cigarettes as well as with prostitution, the establishment and maintenance of connections with the Albanian, Czech and Macedonian mafia. Other than that, Thaci’s sister is married to Sejdija Bajrush, one of the leaders of the notorious Albanian mafia.

What a joke, this is a discrace to Europe supporting this criminal.:nope:
NATO bombed the wrong country, admit it.

[Skybird]

"Die werden auch noch stiller."
(the Kaleu in "Das Boot")

Maybe you will do all what you just said, EH, or you will not. The only question we here are interested in is wether at that time you will still be a member of this board, or not. Something tells me you have started to balance on a thin red line again - right on your way out of the brig.

Careful, kid! ;)

[elite_hunter_sh3]

eh, by the time i leave for battle you will know, i will simply ask Mr Stevens to disable my account..

[August]

and my travel agent is waiting for my call to book me a 1 way ticket

Waiting for your call he is? :lol: :roll:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

yep, i simply told him, when i call him to get me a 1 way plane ticket from Toronto to Belgrade at the nearest possible date.. you misunderstood something???:doh:

[Dowly]

Wow, this thread is great. :rock:

Yet, I feel sorry for most of the countries mentioned in it.

[August]

NATO bombed the wrong country, admit it.

I think if they could talk the innocent Bosnians massacred and raped by Serb troops would disagree...

[Happy Times]

Go now if you are really going, the more training you get, might keep you alive longer.:lol:
And you sound like a muslim suicide bomber, willing to die and all. :rotfl:
Id rather let the enemy die, hit and run, cool and stealth etc..

[August]

yep, i simply told him, when i call him to get me a 1 way plane ticket from Toronto to Belgrade at the nearest possible date.. you misunderstood something???:doh:

Talk is cheap son.

[bradclark1]

Wonder where there Marine Security Group was when this occured?
I would think that because it's on the street it is diplomatically smart to empty it out then have marines popping protesters. They played it right.

[Happy Times]

NATO bombed the wrong country, admit it.
I think if they could talk the innocent Bosnians massacred and raped by Serb troops would disagree...
Or the Serbs killed by Bosniaks and Croats during WW2, 500,000, or by the Turks, these things dont happen by themself. If Croats, Bosniaks or Alabanian were in the same position they did and would have done similar things. It was just that the Serbs were strongest faction and got the Nato against them. Result, two nations that cant survive on their own, Bosnia and Kosovo. Billions of US and EU money gone in these states. Btw, Saudi money also..:dead:

[bradclark1]

Most Of you dont realize how many serbs are willing to die for this flag and for our country, as my Great great grandfathers from both sides of my family died in that battle
Will thousands of Serbians dead from air attacks change anything? No it won't. A mouse sticking the middle finger to a diving eagle is still a dead mouse.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

INDEPENDENCE FOR REPUBLIKA SRPSKA FROM bosnia/hercegoniva.. :rock:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republika_Srpska

let me guess what the next post will be : " NO INDEPENDENCE FOR RS" :roll::roll::nope:

[Happy Times]

Most Of you dont realize how many serbs are willing to die for this flag and for our country, as my Great great grandfathers from both sides of my family died in that battle Will thousands of Serbians dead from air attacks change anything? No it won't. A mouse sticking the middle finger to a diving eagle is still a dead mouse.
You dont understand their tactics or geography, you cant win them with air power alone in Kosovo. And with land forces, you need alot of them and the casualties are atleast 10x Iraq if they are serious. Invade Serbia proper and they wont surrender, believe me. Elite Hunter isnt all air even if he comes out that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defense_Forces_(Yugoslavia)#Doctrine

[elite_hunter_sh3]

2 heads are better then one :up:

http://photos-108.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v204/186/93/625901108/n625901108_619888_536.jpg
:arrgh!:

you didnt forget that America wasnt in Iraq/Afghanistan in the 90s and had more money then now did you?? :huh: surely they can afford to build another aircraft carrier and send it to the medditerranean, but dont mind the russian carrier Admiral Kuznetsov already parked there :up: they wont have any problems with you after all we all are friends right?? :huh::D:up:

"The Admiral Kuznetsov is on its way to the Mediterranean Sea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_Sea), where it will participate on an exercise together with 11 other Russian Navy surface ships and 47 aircraft. It is going to perform 3 tactical training missions, using live and simulated missile launches, and both air and surface missiles"


and yes HP that is true, why didnt America and NATO do a ground invasion in the 90s???

[elite_hunter_sh3]

NEW NEWS!!!!

http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/21256
Tensions rise as Serbs push into Kosovo

Kosovo border police have reported Serb tanks are taking positions near the Kosovo-Serb border. On Friday, police in Kosovo's northern city of Mitrovica have been holding off thousands of Serb protesters who were trying to cross the bridge dividing the Serb and ethnic Albanian sides of the city. Hundreds of ethnic Serbs have arrived in the province to show their support for the Serbian minority living there. Kosovo authorities have already introduced restrictions preventing Serbs from entering the region.

Police have been given the green light to use tough measures to keep any rioting under control but apart from isolated incidents, the rally passed off peacefully.

Authorities feared a repeat of the overnight violence that gripped the Serbian capital Belgrade, killing one and injuring around 130. The violence has also resulted in damage to a number of Western embassies.

In Belgrade President Boris Tadic has called on the Council for National Security to discuss the situation in the country.



http://www.russiatoday.ru/news/news/21258
Russia’s “brute force” is ready: Moscow's NATO envoy

The significance of Kosovo's independence has gone beyond the diplomatic sphere - that's the message from Russia's envoy to NATO Dmitry Rogozin. In a world where the principle 'he who has the power, has the right' rules, Russia has "the brute force" necessary to protect its interests. "Those states that supported Pristina find that they are making up an absolute minority. That means that today the European Union, if its members find common ground, and NATO, if it oversteps the bounds of its mandate, both will enter a conflict with the United Nations. And this is serious," he said.

With the authority of the United Nations undermined, there is no strict and universal international law to safeguard global security, the Russian official believes.

"This is not only between Russia and NATO.This is a conflict of the whole system of international security. This is not a diplomatic, but a political issue. An issue of the future, about whether there are any proprieties in interstate relations or that one can follow the policy of 'he who has the power has the right," he said.

In this new world Russia has to rely on force to protect itself, Rogozin believes.

"Then it has its own conclusions for Russia. We too would understand that we need brutal physical force to make sure we are respected, understood and that others acknowledge our right to our own point of view - and the name of that force is military force," he said.

[bradclark1]

You dont understand their tactics or geography, you cant win them with air power alone in Kosovo. And with land forces, you need alot of them and the casualties are atleast 10x Iraq if they are serious. Invade Serbia proper and they wont surrender, believe me. Elite Hunter isnt all air even if he comes out that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_Defense_Forces_(Yugoslavia)#Doctrine
I honestly don't believe it will come to that unless Russia steps in. Then it will get interesting. But I'll also ask what is the difference between now and last time.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

last time the US wasnt involved with any other foreign wars so they had the manpower and resources... they also had alot of money and Russia was weak because of USSR collapse...

Now, Russia is strong and controls 90% of fuel/natural gas heading into europe, USA is nearly bankrupt and majority of their forces are spread thin and most of the manpower is occupied in Iraq and afghanistan, EU and nato wont bother with kosovo because Russia clearly stated they will use "brute Force" if either of the 2 intervene "because if EU or NATO intervene, it will be a violation of UN law, and Russia must uphold UN law"

[CCIP]

Personally, and that's not to suggest my angle on the Kosovo issue, but

1) I don't believe Russia will get involved. They don't care. There is no practical reason for them to get involved in "brute force". At worst, they can start messing with Europe's energy supply in the process and send some limited aid to the Serbian government, but there will be no "brute force". I guarantee you that as a Russian.

2) I think you're overestimating the capability of the Serbian government to fight NATO forces. Even assuming that 90% of American fighting capacity aborad is tied down in Iraq and Afghanistan, Serbia's military potential is at best 1-2% of America's. The US will be at a decisive advantage however you slice it. It's great to be optimistic and factor in the homeland advantage, but I don't think anyone's ever been helped by overestimation. Even Saddam's army was far superior's to Serbia's - on paper! Look what happened to it when the US came in. Truth is, I think this sort of attitude toward the US is the worst thing anyone in your country can have. I hated the 1999 bombings and I really don't believe this now is worth the loss of innocent lives it will again entail.

It's an ugly situation. Honestly, as unfair as it is, I wish Serbia just let it go and waited for a better time, perhaps even for the time when Kosovo proves to be a real sore for Europe and the support of NATO for them will flip back around. I mean, remember the Taliban. The US sure loved them when they were their enemy's enemy - until they turned around on them and suddenly the US found itself supporting the Northern Alliance which it was up to that point helping to suppress.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Personally, and that's not to suggest my angle on the Kosovo issue, but

1) I don't believe Russia will get involved. They don't care. There is no practical reason for them to get involved in "brute force". At worst, they can start messing with Europe's energy supply in the process and send some limited aid to the Serbian government, but there will be no "brute force". I guarantee you that as a Russian.

2) I think you're overestimating the capability of the Serbian government to fight NATO forces. Even assuming that 90% of American fighting capacity aborad is tied down in Iraq and Afghanistan, Serbia's military potential is at best 1-2% of America's. The US will be at a decisive advantage however you slice it. It's great to be optimistic and factor in the homeland advantage, but I don't think anyone's ever been helped by overestimation. Even Saddam's army was far superior's to Serbia's - on paper! Look what happened to it when the US came in. Truth is, I think this sort of attitude toward the US is the worst thing anyone in your country can have. I hated the 1999 bombings and I really don't believe this now is worth the loss of innocent lives it will again entail.

It's an ugly situation. Honestly, as unfair as it is, I wish Serbia just let it go and waited for a better time, perhaps even for the time when Kosovo proves to be a real sore for Europe and the support of NATO for them will flip back around. I mean, remember the Taliban. The US sure loved them when they were their enemy's enemy - until they turned around on them and suddenly the US found itself supporting the Northern Alliance which it was up to that point helping to suppress.

how long does serbia have to wait for this?? what about the serb minority and the orthodox churches there??? will they even last that long??? :shifty::-?

[sonar732]

After reading the information on UN Resolution 1244 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Security_Council_Resolution_1244), and the corresponding Contact Group Ahtisaari Proposal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_status_process#Ahtisaari_proposal), I think that Russia has grounds to throw a fit. The main point of the Ahtisaan Proposal was that ALL members of the UN Security Council had to approve of the plan regarding Kosovo Independance. However, Russia has continually rejected the drafts and the revised drafts.

SO according to the mandate, every nation that recognizes the Kosovo independance is sticking their noses in the air to the said mandate. Now the question remains...

Will Russia stand back like they did in the original NATO bombing?:hmm::hmm:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Most Of you dont realize how many serbs are willing to die for this flag and for our country, as my Great great grandfathers from both sides of my family died in that battle so will i if it comes to it, only reason europe isnt islamic is because of that battle, we sacrificed our country as we lost 90% of our armies on that battle, then the hungarians took us over because we were depleted of men and wealth due to the battle, all of our soldiers died in that battle even royalty.. so dont go saying we will just sit back and watch it rot away... its all a waiting game now.. and my travel agent is waiting for my call to book me a 1 way ticket to battle and most likely death...... so keep laughing about it and declare kosovo has independence, when kosovo terrorists start killing your people in terrorist attacks you will think otherwise... :shifty:

Dont be so melodramatic. Its great that you're so proud of your home country, but I also would fight and die for the Union Jack, despite the state this country is in. Its easy to sit in Canada and say you're going to be riding in on horseback with Serbia's finest at your heel, but the situation is more complicated than that. And I also dont believe you were the primary reason for Europe not becoming Islamic.

[August]

Or the Serbs killed by Bosniaks and Croats during WW2, 500,000, or by the Turks, these things dont happen by themself.

Wow, Europeans keep telling us that they shouldn't be held accountable for the sins of their grandfathers in WW2 yet according you what happened in that war is still a valid excuse for the mass murder of entire villages? I call bulls**t.

There was a whole half century of peace between the end of WW2 and the ethnic cleansing of Bosnia. Enough time for two entire generations of Serbs and Bosnians to be born and grow up at peace with one another.

Either what Serbia has done is not acceptable or the new Europe is a lie. Which is it?

[nikimcbee]

its our land you (USA/western powers) have no right to tell us to apologize for kicking you out, you have no right to tell us how to rule our country, sayonara and goodbye and dont even think about coming back http://www.msnemotions.org/emoticons/uploads/byesmiley.gif

And the beast is back.
I thought it was the "The Bitch is Back", by Elton John :rotfl:

[nikimcbee]

I just can't believe what a non-story this is. I guess, as Americans, we must be callous to having our embassies blown up:shifty: . What were the news stories yesterday: obama/clinton blah blah blah, and Brittney w/o panties again:roll: and her dogs are running amock in the hotel. If that's our priorities, we're screwed.:dead:

I propose we arm everybody in the Balkans and let themselves kill each other off! And when there is nobody left, we pave it and build a Wal-mart or Disneyland on top of it.

[AkbarGulag]

I just can't believe what a non-story this is. I guess, as Americans, we must be callous to having our embassies blown up:shifty:

Id rather lose an embassy, than a province that then becomes blockaded by foreign troops, restricting the movements of a minority by an illegal force of arms. An embassy is nothing in the scheme of things, but I bet it will be put forward as more important than land theft.

[Skybird]

Russia will not launch a war over Kosovo this time, but relations with them in the UN security coun cil will become "difficult". I totally agree with theis statement that the West made an immense strategic mistake when recognizing Kosovo, and has caused s precedence that will backfire in it's face. There also are a lot of conseqeunces the russians can cause that does not become on the public stage, but behind the curtain, in alliance building , weapons trade, nuclear tech support, energy delivery, and influencing the international monetarian and economical system to the Wests advantage. In this regard, they are underestimated.

All this is mess over Kosovo is a big mistake - created over years, knowingly, with open eyes. Stupid.

[Lurchi]

[...] only reason europe isnt islamic is because of that battle, we sacrificed our country as we lost 90% of our armies on that battle, then the hungarians took us over because we were depleted of men and wealth due to the battle This battle on the so-called Amselfeld ended only in a draw and after this the Serbs became loyal vassals of the Turks.

Just a small venture in to history:

When Vienna was besieged in 1529 (how could that be if you saved Europe?) the Serbs were in fact allied with the Turks by forming a vital part of the 100.000 men army trying to break the 20.000 spanish, austrian and german defenders during the first Siege of Vienna.

I know that serbian self-understanding likes to see itself as saviour of a christian Europe but -honestly- this sounds more like treason to me ...

[XabbaRus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7258801.stm

WEll it is Rogozin spouting this but it is worrying.

Yet again the Balkans live up to its reputation. I say we all pull out and leave them to it. Build a big wall round the area and let nature take its course.

[Stanny]

Serbs look really silly and derogatory by doing this way. ;)

They hate the U.S.,the do hate NATO.All right.What is interrupting them to take weapons and go on to Kosovo in order to start really fighting that much hated U.S.A. and NATO?

They are scared.Of course,it is much easier to take their pants off and show their nude asses to the empty U.S. Embassy in Begrade.

They are really dishonouring their own nation. :cool:

[AkbarGulag]

What is interrupting them to take weapons and go on to Kosovo in order to start really fighting that much hated U.S.A. and NATO?
Nobody fights before they have exhausted all the alternatives. Nobody sane that is.

At least nobody pissed on the American flag like that British guy did in your country.

[Stanny]

At least nobody pissed on the American flag like that British guy did in your country.

Don't you addle something?We did not have such accidents here,as far as I know. :-?

[AkbarGulag]

At least nobody pissed on the American flag like that British guy did in your country.
Don't you addle something?We did not have such accidents here,as far as I know. :-?

Just to clarify, he pissed on the Lithuanian flag.

Sorry, I don't have a link. A friend of mine from Lithuania was telling me about it. It was supposed to be very recent. We were discussing the 'type' of tourists that were visiting Lithuania, and some common discussions/reactions to said tourists from the hospitality industry there.

New Zealand is a relatively small (by polulation and mass) country also and relies on tourism to some degree, though is not dependant on it. It has to specialise in what it manufacture's much like your own country. Small countries all have somthing in common in today's global environment. Sorry that my source is something I can not conjure for you, I guess it comes down to if you believe your own countrymen and if they describe Lithuania with honesty. I found him to be balanced and educated, his mother was a proffesor at his university ^^ You would be better placed to find the article, as I only speak english and it was a local lithuanian news story.

[Takeda Shingen]

I have no idea where my ancestors were in 1389. However, since we are honoring just about anything, I would like to pay special homage to the fallen Carthaginians at the Battle of Carthage in 149 BC, and for all of those fallen in the Third Punic War in general. Rest in peace, heroes.

[Dowly]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7258801.stm

WEll it is Rogozin spouting this but it is worrying.

Yet again the Balkans live up to its reputation. I say we all pull out and leave them to it. Build a big wall round the area and let nature take its course.

AGREED! :up:

[Stanny]

Just to clarify, he pissed on the Lithuanian flag.

I have heard about this situation.That was a bit different.

He actually pissed at the wall of Lithuanian Presidential Palace.He was totally drunk and did not see the signboard.That Presidential Palace is rather ordinary building,and anybody can come close to it.Naturally,being drunk he did what he wanted to do at the wall of nearest building.Unfortunately,that happened to be our Presidential Palace.

He was brought to police and given a penalty afterwards.So,that was not an intent of contamination,in fact.He was just completely drunk.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7258801.stm

WEll it is Rogozin spouting this but it is worrying.

Yet again the Balkans live up to its reputation. I say we all pull out and leave them to it. Build a big wall round the area and let nature take its course.
AGREED! :up:

the smartest words ive heard from this forum :rock::rock: let us slavs handle our own affairs, wether its total war or total diplomacy... everyone else pass the popcorn and watch the entertainment....:shifty:

[Konovalov]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7258801.stm

WEll it is Rogozin spouting this but it is worrying.

Yet again the Balkans live up to its reputation. I say we all pull out and leave them to it. Build a big wall round the area and let nature take its course.
AGREED! :up:

the smartest words ive heard from this forum :rock::rock: let us slavs handle our own affairs, wether its total war or total diplomacy... everyone else pass the popcorn and watch the entertainment....:shifty:

Can't say I've ever found war and associated war crimes from both sides to be entertaining. :nope: Perhaps if you didn't just see it on tv your attitude would change.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

figuratively speaking... and hence the ":shifty:".....

[Jimbuna]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7258801.stm

WEll it is Rogozin spouting this but it is worrying.

Yet again the Balkans live up to its reputation. I say we all pull out and leave them to it. Build a big wall round the area and let nature take its course.
AGREED! :up:

the smartest words ive heard from this forum :rock::rock: let us slavs handle our own affairs, wether its total war or total diplomacy... everyone else pass the popcorn and watch the entertainment....:shifty:

Here you are http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img223/820/popcorn3yv1.gif

BTW.....There aint nothing entertaining about war http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9206/nofemaleqj9.gif

[Onkel Neal]

I have no idea where my ancestors were in 1389. However, since we are honoring just about anything, I would like to pay special homage to the fallen Carthaginians at the Battle of Carthage in 149 BC, and for all of those fallen in the Third Punic War in general. Rest in peace, heroes.

:rotfl:

I knew this thread would pay off eventually. :up:

[August]

Here's a film clip of what other Serbs were doing while they were burning the US embassy.

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=51594

[Jimbuna]

A real credit to their nation http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/9206/nofemaleqj9.gif

[DeepIron]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/02/23/serbia.kosovo/index.html

I'm telling you... all you gotta say are two letters, "U" and "S" and the next thing you know, you're blamed for everything... :nope:

Why don't we just call ourselves:
"The United States of America - Conglomerate of Evil"
All rights reserved. Patents pending.


Also Friday, Russia -- which has not recognized Kosovo's sovereignty -- said it has not ruled out using force to resolve the dispute over the territory if NATO forces breach the terms of their U.N. mandate.
Wondered when they would get around to this...

[Happy Times]

Or the Serbs killed by Bosniaks and Croats during WW2, 500,000, or by the Turks, these things dont happen by themself.

Wow, Europeans keep telling us that they shouldn't be held accountable for the sins of their grandfathers in WW2 yet according you what happened in that war is still a valid excuse for the mass murder of entire villages? I call bulls**t.

There was a whole half century of peace between the end of WW2 and the ethnic cleansing of Bosnia. Enough time for two entire generations of Serbs and Bosnians to be born and grow up at peace with one another.

Either what Serbia has done is not acceptable or the new Europe is a lie. Which is it?

Its not a valid excuse but if you want to sit as a judge you have to be fair. Kosovo had autonomy but they started a terror campaign when they knew Serbs didnt have any friends in the West, they were ambushed. US and EU are using the right of the strongest and paying back for their hurt bride. Where is the moral highground in that? I just think nobody in the Balkans isnt better than the next. If we want lasting peace there, you cant take Kosovo from Serbia. That wont change no matter how much threats you use. Kosovo and Bosnia arent real nations in any sense of the meaning. They are an open wound and need the babysitting of UN, NATO, US and EU forever.
Balkans remain the Powder keg of Europe.

[August]

If we want lasting peace there, you cant take Kosovo from Serbia.

6 of one half dozen of the other. We won't have lasting peace if you let Serbia keep Kosovo either, unless of course you advocate some final Serbian solution to the huge ethnic Albanian majority in that region. We've seen how the Serbs handle these things. Think about what you're advocating HT.

[AkbarGulag]

We've seen how the Serbs handle these things. Think about what you're advocating HT.

And the Albanian majority used terror instead of an army. So reward the Albanian majority for its use of terror to cleanse Kosovo of Serbs? If you are going to paint one then paint the other.

[BH]

The most interesting development in this Kosovo is Russian-Iranian relations. Iranian people and religous leaders clearly support Kosovo independence. Iran has sent intelligance officers and advisors from the revolutionary guard and some economic aid to the people. Iran is not in the position to recongnize kosovo at this time because they need russia vote. However, if Russia fails to protect Iran's nuclear interest or in 2 years when Iran develops their first warhead, look for Iran to pledge full support to Kosovo.

[nikimcbee]

The most interesting development in this Kosovo is Russian-Iranian relations. Iranian people and religous leaders clearly support Kosovo independence. Iran has sent intelligance officers and advisors from the revolutionary guard and some economic aid to the people. Iran is not in the position to recongnize kosovo at this time because they need russia vote. However, if Russia fails to protect Iran's nuclear interest or in 2 years when Iran develops their first warhead, look for Iran to pledge full support to Kosovo.

Sometimes I just don't get Russia's foreign policy.:roll:

[CCIP]

I don't think this has anything to do with Russia's but everything with Iran's foreign policy :hmm:
Which in this case doesn't surprise me. I bet a lot of muslim states are happy with this one.

[Happy Times]

I don't think this has anything to do with Russia's but everything with Iran's foreign policy :hmm:
Which in this case doesn't surprise me. I bet a lot of muslim states are happy with this one.

Yeah.

UN General Lewis Mackenzie/ Kosovo's Independence "Immoral"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk_SXcSZ9yg

"The UN Canadian General Lewis Mackenzie said it best, "We bombed the wrong side". This is giving all terrorist organizations a green light to make more problems. Look at Bosnia, tons of Muhajadeen there. Kosovo, al-Qaeda supported network. That is Serb land, simply put. There is already an Albania. Serbs fought the Ottoman empire over 600 years ago to keep the land. The US is simply appeasing Muslims and hoping that they will calm in other areas of the world. It won't work."


Michael Savage: Kosovo's Independence Immoral, February 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEHZ5PqIcuo

[Happy Times]

Im pissed how stupid leaders we have in the West.:damn:

[bradclark1]

The whole thing is a screw/screw situation. I understand both sides of the conflict but a muslim country in europe is not too smart. You are putting an empty pistol to your own head and think no one will load it because we did the right thing. Suprise!! I know not all muslims are evil but it is the evil ones that get their way. It's not the independence that bothers me it's going to be the results of it.

[baggygreen]

That brings about a whole other debate brad - is the balkans a part of europe??

the story has already dropped off the news here... of more interest is the fact K fed has decided to let britney see her kids... doesnt that show the stellar intellectual environment we live in:cool:

[DeepIron]

Im pissed how stupid leaders we have in the West.:damn:
You should try living here... :nope: Besides, we're just about to trade 8 years of "stoopid" for 4 years of "pablum"...

[elite_hunter_sh3]

whoever didnt belive me about the serbian tanks on the border.... :up:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=s3IzAPBR5J4

....:rock:

[August]

And the Albanian majority used terror instead of an army. So reward the Albanian majority for its use of terror to cleanse Kosovo of Serbs? If you are going to paint one then paint the other.

If you really want to compare both sides then show me where the Kosovarians have used machineguns, tanks and artillery to do their ethnic cleansing. Show me where they have murdered entire villages, committed gang rape, torture and enslavement in anything resembling the scale that the Serbs did in Bosnia. If you want to limit it to just terrorism then there's plenty of that by Serbs vs the ethnic Albanian majority too.

Bottom line here is if the UN were ever to be so stupid as to give Kosovo back to the Serbs they'd be unleashing a bloodbath that would make the worst of Bosnia seem like a grade school fist fight by comparison.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

EDIT: Please, make your point with words, not gruesome pictures, ok? Keep this up and I'm going to post a pic of my ex-wife. That'll learn you. -- Neal

[baggygreen]

Do you keep a stash of those pics elite... it aint the first time you posted stuff like that. Last time the missus saw it, this time im at work but luckily neal'd caught the images first.

On topic, I heard on the radio its all cooling down there now?> is this the truth, or is it just a relative comment after the last week or so?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

you wanted proof august there you go...


and no its not cooling down.. in fact its getting "worse" by Western political standards.... :roll:

heres proof ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3IzAPBR5J4
around 0:18 :arrgh!::arrgh!::arrgh!:

Serbian Tanks today, Spetsnaz Tommorow :rock:

[August]

you wanted proof august there you go...


and no its not cooling down.. in fact its getting "worse" by Western political standards.... :roll:

heres proof ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3IzAPBR5J4
around 0:18 :arrgh!::arrgh!::arrgh!:

Serbian Tanks today, Spetsnaz Tommorow :rock:

Proof of what? That Serbia is setting itself up for more dissapointment? That you still aren't backing up your tough talk with action? The only picture or video i care to see is you getting off the plane in Belgrade.

[Happy Times]

John Bolton: Kosovo will spark islamic extremism in Europe

Former US Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, who along with Lawrence Eagleburger, a former US Secretary of State, has written a scathing article on US policy over Kosovo in the Washington Times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouQwgLBtFcE

[joea]

Proof of what? That Serbia is setting itself up for more dissapointment? That you still aren't backing up your tough talk with action? The only picture or video i care to see is you getting off the plane in Belgrade.

You'll wait a long time August.:roll: ;)

[AkbarGulag]

And the Albanian majority used terror instead of an army. So reward the Albanian majority for its use of terror to cleanse Kosovo of Serbs? If you are going to paint one then paint the other.
If you really want to compare both sides then show me where the Kosovarians have used machineguns, tanks and artillery to do their ethnic cleansing. Show me where they have murdered entire villages, committed gang rape, torture and enslavement in anything resembling the scale that the Serbs did in Bosnia. If you want to limit it to just terrorism then there's plenty of that by Serbs vs the ethnic Albanian majority too.

"Bottom line here is if the UN were ever to be so stupid as to give Kosovo back to the Serbs they'd be unleashing a bloodbath that would make the worst of Bosnia seem like a grade school fist fight by comparison.

"The Yugoslav (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Republic_of_Yugoslavia) authorities considered the KLA to be a terrorist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist) organization, as the US did until 1997. The Serbian government reported that the KLA had killed more than 10,000 civilians, both Serbs and Albanians. Reliable sources independent of the Serbian government report the number of casualties attributable to the KLA to be far lower.The KLA is widely known to have carried out kidnappings and revenge killings, and former leaders of the KLA have been tried and convicted of War Crimes.A Human Rights Watch report on humanitarian law violations in Kosovo from 1998 states."

Thats off the wiki site, but if you are so certain that the Albanians are angels, then no amount of digging from me is worth my time. I have read enough of this from as early as 1990, following the local reports was a one time interest.

Just because one has better weapons than the other, doesn't make the one without any less evil. If you want to dig, you will find a litany of terror by the Albanians. Sure, I agree the staus quo is no longer possible, but if thats the case, imprisoning the remaining serbs in a state that has also commited atrocities against them isn't a good idea either. Holding the Serb border to Kosovo with NATO troops is like building a wall around the west bank, but leaving a few Israeli's in Nablus for fun. In such a poor province as it is, I bet a lot more went on than anyone will know.

If you truly do want to see something fair happen, then you would support a partition of the province. Not tell me that Serbs deserve what they get. A partition can only come with agreement... not by just imposing a solution that is contrary to international law. Otherwise, your just as biased as you seem to think I am, making talking to eachother on this subject a waste of both our times.

[August]

but if you are so certain that the Albanians are angels, then no amount of digging from me is worth my time.

I never said the Albanians are angels. However since you seem so eager to be insulted feel free not to allow me to waste your time further.

[Zayphod]

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target.
They did. Seven nations are affected all in all.

Well, I would hate to think WE were the only ones. :dead:

[baggygreen]

you wanted proof august there you go...


and no its not cooling down.. in fact its getting "worse" by Western political standards.... :roll:

heres proof ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3IzAPBR5J4
around 0:18 :arrgh!::arrgh!::arrgh!:

Serbian Tanks today, Spetsnaz Tommorow :rock:
Proof of what? That Serbia is setting itself up for more dissapointment? That you still aren't backing up your tough talk with action? The only picture or video i care to see is you getting off the plane in Belgrade.I'll second that motion.

[bookworm_020]

Who says looters will get away with it in Serbia??

Justice, youtube style!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/web/blonde-belgrade-looters-are-a-smash-hit/2008/02/23/1203467458181.html

[AkbarGulag]

but if you are so certain that the Albanians are angels, then no amount of digging from me is worth my time.
I never said the Albanians are angels. However since you seem so eager to be insulted feel free not to allow me to waste your time further.
Who said I was insulted. Merely acknowledging a clear difference that no amount of waffling will change. A point that once again, you have driven home.

[Happy Times]

Partition wouldnt help much. Demilitarised autonomy could have worked well, with support to give their homes back to the 200.000 Serbs that were driven out. It is unlikely the Serbs would have started a massacre, they were on their way to the EU and have a working democracy now. So i think Augusts fears have no real base.The border NATO should be watching is the one with Albania, closing the drug, weapons and human trade.

[Happy Times]

Double post.

[Skybird]

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target.
They did. Seven nations are affected all in all.

Well, I would hate to think WE were the only ones. :dead:
Why the worry? The US put a lot of pressure on Turkey, the EU and the UN president to recognize Kosovo, to get legitimation after having broken it out of the russian sphere of influence as soon as possible, and make it accessible for their pipeline project. It's just that this real background story of the events is not much and only rarely published in the media. Damn telephone uplink - slow as the seasons.

[Happy Times]

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target.
They did. Seven nations are affected all in all.

Well, I would hate to think WE were the only ones. :dead:
Why the worry? The US put a lot of pressure on Turkey, the EU and the UN president to recognize Kosovo, to get legitimation after having broken it out of the russian sphere of influence as soon as possible, and make it accessible for their pipeline project. It's just that this real background story of the events is not much and only rarely published in the media. Damn telephone uplink - slow as the seasons.

Yes, you have to find the small media;)

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/editorials/local_story_053121722.html

In Kosovo, sacrificing principles for oil


BY ZACHARY HUBBARD

Once again the Bush administration is sacrificing its conservative principles to satisfy our nation’s seeming insatiable thirst for foreign oil.

The latest victims of our oil lust are the ethnic Serbs living in Kosovo. Until Feb. 18, Kosovo was part of Serbia. That changed overnight when Kosovo unilaterally declared independence.

The United States, Germany and the United Kingdom were quick to recognize Kosovo’s declaration. Russia and Serbia flatly rejected it.

Yes, folks, Kosovo’s independence is all about oil – at least from a Western perspective.

In a press release that gleaned little media attention in the United States, Switzerland’s Manas Petroleum Corp. announced on Jan. 10 that “Independent resource evaluation confirms existence of giant oil and gas prospects on Manas Petroleum’s Albanian exploration blocks.”

The announcement indicated that there are potentially 3 billion barrels of oil and 3 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in the areas explored. Some of these areas lie near Albania’s border with Kosovo.

Kosovo’s population is about 90 percent ethnic Albanian. The remaining 10 percent are nearly all ethnic Serbs. Under Tito, in the former Yugoslavia, Kosovo was a semi-autonomous region which enjoyed special political privileges in the Yugoslav system.

During the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbia’s President Slobodon Milosevic stripped Kosovo of its autonomy and kept a tight grip on the ethnic Albanians through an internal security force composed almost exclusively of Serbs.

Serb domination of Kosovo ended when a NATO occupation force, the Kosovo Force (KFOR), forcibly interposed itself between the ethnic Albanians and Serb forces.

For the Serbs, Kosovo is a place of religious history and national pride. If the Serbs had an Alamo, it would be located in Kosovo. There, in an area that has become known as the Field of Blackbirds, thousands of Serbian “warrior saints” stood their ground in the 1389 Battle of Kosovo Polje, only to be slaughtered by the invading Ottoman Turks.

The Serbs continued to resist the Turks during the ensuing five centuries of Ottoman domination, which did not end until 1912, when Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and Bulgaria defeated the Ottomans in the First Balkans War. To this day, the Serbs view themselves as defenders of Christianity who held the line against the incursion of Islam into Western Europe.

During that famous battle, ethnic Albanians fought side by side with the Serbs against the Ottoman invaders. But during the subsequent years of Turkish rule, most Albanians adopted Islam, while the Serbs clung to their Orthodox Christian tradition. Today, Kosovo is the historical seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church.

During the aftermath of the breakup of Yugoslavia, rampaging ethnic Albanians reportedly destroyed more than 100 Orthodox monasteries and churches in Kosovo, some of which were nearly 1,000 years old. The UK Independent reported in November 1999 that the Albanian destruction of Serb holy sites in Kosovo continued even after NATO’s KFOR arrived.

Kosovo’s neighbor, Albania, is currently struggling to integrate with Western Europe. Islam in Albania today is something less than radical. In fact, the number of Christians in Albania may be nearly even with the number of Muslims.

However, the Brussels-based International Crisis Group (ICG), a nonprofit, independent, nongovernmental organization that works to resolve world conflicts through diplomacy, reported in July 2006 that “a tiny but growing minority (in Albania) is turning toward Wahhabi Islam.”

This could spell future trouble for the West. The Wahhabis are a violent, extremist sect of Islam that originated in Saudi Arabia in the 18th century. It has been argued that Osama bin Laden had gravitated toward Wahhabi beliefs prior to the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

It appears the West sold out the Kosovo Serbs in order to gain assured access to Albania’s newly discovered petroleum reserves. Albania’s strategic location on the Adriatic Sea guarantees the West easy access to Albanian oil, without having to deal with unsavory governments.

In the coming months, look for a growing political support for Kosovo’s union with Albania to form a Greater Albania, something that would have been unimaginable only a few years ago.

The West will sit idly by as Albania expands its borders, knowing that a Greater Albania will be inclined to sell oil to the West and is not likely to be influenced by the Serbs and Russians.

After Kosovo, the next target for Albania will probably be its neighbor, the Republic of Macedonia. Ethnic Albanians make up nearly a third of the Macedonian population.

While it is doubtful that a Greater Albania could gobble up all of Macedonia, it may attempt to annex the ethnic Albanian areas of Macedonia contiguous to the Albania-Macedonia border.

Macedonia might just allow this to occur in order to hasten its admission to the European Union.



Zachary Hubbard is a retired Army officer residing in Upper Yoder Township. He served as the chief of intelligence assessments and senior Balkans intelligence analyst for the NATO Stabilization Force in the former Yugoslavia. Hubbard is a member of The Tribune-Democrat’s Readership Advisory Committee.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target. They did. Seven nations are affected all in all.
Well, I would hate to think WE were the only ones. :dead: Why the worry? The US put a lot of pressure on Turkey, the EU and the UN president to recognize Kosovo, to get legitimation after having broken it out of the russian sphere of influence as soon as possible, and make it accessible for their pipeline project. It's just that this real background story of the events is not much and only rarely published in the media. Damn telephone uplink - slow as the seasons.
Yes, you have to find the small media;)

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/editorials/local_story_053121722.html

In Kosovo, sacrificing principles for oil


BY ZACHARY HUBBARD

Once again the Bush administration is sacrificing its conservative principles to satisfy our nation’s seeming insatiable thirst for foreign oil.

The latest victims of our oil lust are the ethnic Serbs living in Kosovo. Until Feb. 18, Kosovo was part of Serbia. That changed overnight when Kosovo unilaterally declared independence.

The United States, Germany and the United Kingdom were quick to recognize Kosovo’s declaration. Russia and Serbia flatly rejected it.

Yes, folks, Kosovo’s independence is all about oil – at least from a Western perspective.

In a press release that gleaned little media attention in the United States, Switzerland’s Manas Petroleum Corp. announced on Jan. 10 that “Independent resource evaluation confirms existence of giant oil and gas prospects on Manas Petroleum’s Albanian exploration blocks.”

The announcement indicated that there are potentially 3 billion barrels of oil and 3 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in the areas explored. Some of these areas lie near Albania’s border with Kosovo.

Kosovo’s population is about 90 percent ethnic Albanian. The remaining 10 percent are nearly all ethnic Serbs. Under Tito, in the former Yugoslavia, Kosovo was a semi-autonomous region which enjoyed special political privileges in the Yugoslav system.

During the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbia’s President Slobodon Milosevic stripped Kosovo of its autonomy and kept a tight grip on the ethnic Albanians through an internal security force composed almost exclusively of Serbs.

Serb domination of Kosovo ended when a NATO occupation force, the Kosovo Force (KFOR), forcibly interposed itself between the ethnic Albanians and Serb forces.

For the Serbs, Kosovo is a place of religious history and national pride. If the Serbs had an Alamo, it would be located in Kosovo. There, in an area that has become known as the Field of Blackbirds, thousands of Serbian “warrior saints” stood their ground in the 1389 Battle of Kosovo Polje, only to be slaughtered by the invading Ottoman Turks.

The Serbs continued to resist the Turks during the ensuing five centuries of Ottoman domination, which did not end until 1912, when Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and Bulgaria defeated the Ottomans in the First Balkans War. To this day, the Serbs view themselves as defenders of Christianity who held the line against the incursion of Islam into Western Europe.

During that famous battle, ethnic Albanians fought side by side with the Serbs against the Ottoman invaders. But during the subsequent years of Turkish rule, most Albanians adopted Islam, while the Serbs clung to their Orthodox Christian tradition. Today, Kosovo is the historical seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church.

During the aftermath of the breakup of Yugoslavia, rampaging ethnic Albanians reportedly destroyed more than 100 Orthodox monasteries and churches in Kosovo, some of which were nearly 1,000 years old. The UK Independent reported in November 1999 that the Albanian destruction of Serb holy sites in Kosovo continued even after NATO’s KFOR arrived.

Kosovo’s neighbor, Albania, is currently struggling to integrate with Western Europe. Islam in Albania today is something less than radical. In fact, the number of Christians in Albania may be nearly even with the number of Muslims.

However, the Brussels-based International Crisis Group (ICG), a nonprofit, independent, nongovernmental organization that works to resolve world conflicts through diplomacy, reported in July 2006 that “a tiny but growing minority (in Albania) is turning toward Wahhabi Islam.”

This could spell future trouble for the West. The Wahhabis are a violent, extremist sect of Islam that originated in Saudi Arabia in the 18th century. It has been argued that Osama bin Laden had gravitated toward Wahhabi beliefs prior to the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

It appears the West sold out the Kosovo Serbs in order to gain assured access to Albania’s newly discovered petroleum reserves. Albania’s strategic location on the Adriatic Sea guarantees the West easy access to Albanian oil, without having to deal with unsavory governments.

In the coming months, look for a growing political support for Kosovo’s union with Albania to form a Greater Albania, something that would have been unimaginable only a few years ago.

The West will sit idly by as Albania expands its borders, knowing that a Greater Albania will be inclined to sell oil to the West and is not likely to be influenced by the Serbs and Russians.

After Kosovo, the next target for Albania will probably be its neighbor, the Republic of Macedonia. Ethnic Albanians make up nearly a third of the Macedonian population.

While it is doubtful that a Greater Albania could gobble up all of Macedonia, it may attempt to annex the ethnic Albanian areas of Macedonia contiguous to the Albania-Macedonia border.

Macedonia might just allow this to occur in order to hasten its admission to the European Union.



Zachary Hubbard is a retired Army officer residing in Upper Yoder Township. He served as the chief of intelligence assessments and senior Balkans intelligence analyst for the NATO Stabilization Force in the former Yugoslavia. Hubbard is a member of The Tribune-Democrat’s Readership Advisory Committee.

this post just explained everything....:up:

dont forget that they WILL ethnically cleanse the rest of the serbian population in northern kosovo..:shifty:

[Happy Times]

What came to my mind and would like to be investigated is this Manas Petroleum Corp based in Switzerland, i looked up and they have a strong Albanian participation in the company. Kosovo Liberation Army was also founded in Switzerland, i just dont like coincidences.:hmm:

Seems US and EU lost Serbia to Russia for good. Medvedev offered to buy over half of Serbias national petroleum company in his visit to Belgrad. This joint venture will build new pipelines of gas and oil to Europe through Serbia.

[August]

this post just explained everything....:up:

It sure did:

Kosovo’s population is about 90 percent ethnic Albanian

and

During the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbia’s President Slobodon Milosevic stripped Kosovo of its autonomy and kept a tight grip on the ethnic Albanians through an internal security force composed almost exclusively of Serbs.

"Tight grip" being defined as arrests, beatings, murder and intimidation...

Bottom line is that Serbia has created the situation it now finds itself in.

[Happy Times]

It sure did:

Kosovo’s population is about 90 percent ethnic Albanian

Dou you know why the ethnic makeup is like that these days?

and

During the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbia’s President Slobodon Milosevic stripped Kosovo of its autonomy and kept a tight grip on the ethnic Albanians through an internal security force composed almost exclusively of Serbs.

"Tight grip" being defined as arrests, beatings, murder and intimidation...

The same things that Albanians started to do? KLA was a terrorist organisation founded to create Greater Albania. They are doing well..

Bottom line is that Serbia has created the situation it now finds itself in.

Actually it was the Albanians that created the situation, very cleverly.

[Jimbuna]

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target.
They did. Seven nations are affected all in all.

Well, I would hate to think WE were the only ones. :dead:
Why the worry? The US put a lot of pressure on Turkey, the EU and the UN president to recognize Kosovo, to get legitimation after having broken it out of the russian sphere of influence as soon as possible, and make it accessible for their pipeline project. It's just that this real background story of the events is not much and only rarely published in the media. Damn telephone uplink - slow as the seasons.

Yes, you have to find the small media;)

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/editorials/local_story_053121722.html

In Kosovo, sacrificing principles for oil


BY ZACHARY HUBBARD

Once again the Bush administration is sacrificing its conservative principles to satisfy our nation’s seeming insatiable thirst for foreign oil.

The latest victims of our oil lust are the ethnic Serbs living in Kosovo. Until Feb. 18, Kosovo was part of Serbia. That changed overnight when Kosovo unilaterally declared independence.

The United States, Germany and the United Kingdom were quick to recognize Kosovo’s declaration. Russia and Serbia flatly rejected it.

Yes, folks, Kosovo’s independence is all about oil – at least from a Western perspective.

In a press release that gleaned little media attention in the United States, Switzerland’s Manas Petroleum Corp. announced on Jan. 10 that “Independent resource evaluation confirms existence of giant oil and gas prospects on Manas Petroleum’s Albanian exploration blocks.”

The announcement indicated that there are potentially 3 billion barrels of oil and 3 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in the areas explored. Some of these areas lie near Albania’s border with Kosovo.

Kosovo’s population is about 90 percent ethnic Albanian. The remaining 10 percent are nearly all ethnic Serbs. Under Tito, in the former Yugoslavia, Kosovo was a semi-autonomous region which enjoyed special political privileges in the Yugoslav system.

During the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbia’s President Slobodon Milosevic stripped Kosovo of its autonomy and kept a tight grip on the ethnic Albanians through an internal security force composed almost exclusively of Serbs.

Serb domination of Kosovo ended when a NATO occupation force, the Kosovo Force (KFOR), forcibly interposed itself between the ethnic Albanians and Serb forces.

For the Serbs, Kosovo is a place of religious history and national pride. If the Serbs had an Alamo, it would be located in Kosovo. There, in an area that has become known as the Field of Blackbirds, thousands of Serbian “warrior saints” stood their ground in the 1389 Battle of Kosovo Polje, only to be slaughtered by the invading Ottoman Turks.

The Serbs continued to resist the Turks during the ensuing five centuries of Ottoman domination, which did not end until 1912, when Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and Bulgaria defeated the Ottomans in the First Balkans War. To this day, the Serbs view themselves as defenders of Christianity who held the line against the incursion of Islam into Western Europe.

During that famous battle, ethnic Albanians fought side by side with the Serbs against the Ottoman invaders. But during the subsequent years of Turkish rule, most Albanians adopted Islam, while the Serbs clung to their Orthodox Christian tradition. Today, Kosovo is the historical seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church.

During the aftermath of the breakup of Yugoslavia, rampaging ethnic Albanians reportedly destroyed more than 100 Orthodox monasteries and churches in Kosovo, some of which were nearly 1,000 years old. The UK Independent reported in November 1999 that the Albanian destruction of Serb holy sites in Kosovo continued even after NATO’s KFOR arrived.

Kosovo’s neighbor, Albania, is currently struggling to integrate with Western Europe. Islam in Albania today is something less than radical. In fact, the number of Christians in Albania may be nearly even with the number of Muslims.

However, the Brussels-based International Crisis Group (ICG), a nonprofit, independent, nongovernmental organization that works to resolve world conflicts through diplomacy, reported in July 2006 that “a tiny but growing minority (in Albania) is turning toward Wahhabi Islam.”

This could spell future trouble for the West. The Wahhabis are a violent, extremist sect of Islam that originated in Saudi Arabia in the 18th century. It has been argued that Osama bin Laden had gravitated toward Wahhabi beliefs prior to the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

It appears the West sold out the Kosovo Serbs in order to gain assured access to Albania’s newly discovered petroleum reserves. Albania’s strategic location on the Adriatic Sea guarantees the West easy access to Albanian oil, without having to deal with unsavory governments.

In the coming months, look for a growing political support for Kosovo’s union with Albania to form a Greater Albania, something that would have been unimaginable only a few years ago.

The West will sit idly by as Albania expands its borders, knowing that a Greater Albania will be inclined to sell oil to the West and is not likely to be influenced by the Serbs and Russians.

After Kosovo, the next target for Albania will probably be its neighbor, the Republic of Macedonia. Ethnic Albanians make up nearly a third of the Macedonian population.

While it is doubtful that a Greater Albania could gobble up all of Macedonia, it may attempt to annex the ethnic Albanian areas of Macedonia contiguous to the Albania-Macedonia border.

Macedonia might just allow this to occur in order to hasten its admission to the European Union.



Zachary Hubbard is a retired Army officer residing in Upper Yoder Township. He served as the chief of intelligence assessments and senior Balkans intelligence analyst for the NATO Stabilization Force in the former Yugoslavia. Hubbard is a member of The Tribune-Democrat’s Readership Advisory Committee.

That is one clear and concise explanatory post http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[elite_hunter_sh3]

no, who REALLY started it was Tito, a Croatian Nazi, he was a fool to think he could keep yugoslavia together..:damn::damn:, if he never came into power, the balkan wars would never have happened, no genocide and no albanians would be living in kosovo now..

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I cant stop laughing at your sig, elite :lol::lol:

[Dowly]

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target. They did. Seven nations are affected all in all.
Well, I would hate to think WE were the only ones. :dead: Why the worry? The US put a lot of pressure on Turkey, the EU and the UN president to recognize Kosovo, to get legitimation after having broken it out of the russian sphere of influence as soon as possible, and make it accessible for their pipeline project. It's just that this real background story of the events is not much and only rarely published in the media. Damn telephone uplink - slow as the seasons.
Yes, you have to find the small media;)

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/editorials/local_story_053121722.html

In Kosovo, sacrificing principles for oil


BY ZACHARY HUBBARD

Once again the Bush administration is sacrificing its conservative principles to satisfy our nation’s seeming insatiable thirst for foreign oil.

The latest victims of our oil lust are the ethnic Serbs living in Kosovo. Until Feb. 18, Kosovo was part of Serbia. That changed overnight when Kosovo unilaterally declared independence.

The United States, Germany and the United Kingdom were quick to recognize Kosovo’s declaration. Russia and Serbia flatly rejected it.

Yes, folks, Kosovo’s independence is all about oil – at least from a Western perspective.

In a press release that gleaned little media attention in the United States, Switzerland’s Manas Petroleum Corp. announced on Jan. 10 that “Independent resource evaluation confirms existence of giant oil and gas prospects on Manas Petroleum’s Albanian exploration blocks.”

The announcement indicated that there are potentially 3 billion barrels of oil and 3 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in the areas explored. Some of these areas lie near Albania’s border with Kosovo.

Kosovo’s population is about 90 percent ethnic Albanian. The remaining 10 percent are nearly all ethnic Serbs. Under Tito, in the former Yugoslavia, Kosovo was a semi-autonomous region which enjoyed special political privileges in the Yugoslav system.

During the breakup of Yugoslavia, Serbia’s President Slobodon Milosevic stripped Kosovo of its autonomy and kept a tight grip on the ethnic Albanians through an internal security force composed almost exclusively of Serbs.

Serb domination of Kosovo ended when a NATO occupation force, the Kosovo Force (KFOR), forcibly interposed itself between the ethnic Albanians and Serb forces.

For the Serbs, Kosovo is a place of religious history and national pride. If the Serbs had an Alamo, it would be located in Kosovo. There, in an area that has become known as the Field of Blackbirds, thousands of Serbian “warrior saints” stood their ground in the 1389 Battle of Kosovo Polje, only to be slaughtered by the invading Ottoman Turks.

The Serbs continued to resist the Turks during the ensuing five centuries of Ottoman domination, which did not end until 1912, when Serbia, Montenegro, Greece and Bulgaria defeated the Ottomans in the First Balkans War. To this day, the Serbs view themselves as defenders of Christianity who held the line against the incursion of Islam into Western Europe.

During that famous battle, ethnic Albanians fought side by side with the Serbs against the Ottoman invaders. But during the subsequent years of Turkish rule, most Albanians adopted Islam, while the Serbs clung to their Orthodox Christian tradition. Today, Kosovo is the historical seat of the Serbian Orthodox Church.

During the aftermath of the breakup of Yugoslavia, rampaging ethnic Albanians reportedly destroyed more than 100 Orthodox monasteries and churches in Kosovo, some of which were nearly 1,000 years old. The UK Independent reported in November 1999 that the Albanian destruction of Serb holy sites in Kosovo continued even after NATO’s KFOR arrived.

Kosovo’s neighbor, Albania, is currently struggling to integrate with Western Europe. Islam in Albania today is something less than radical. In fact, the number of Christians in Albania may be nearly even with the number of Muslims.

However, the Brussels-based International Crisis Group (ICG), a nonprofit, independent, nongovernmental organization that works to resolve world conflicts through diplomacy, reported in July 2006 that “a tiny but growing minority (in Albania) is turning toward Wahhabi Islam.”

This could spell future trouble for the West. The Wahhabis are a violent, extremist sect of Islam that originated in Saudi Arabia in the 18th century. It has been argued that Osama bin Laden had gravitated toward Wahhabi beliefs prior to the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

It appears the West sold out the Kosovo Serbs in order to gain assured access to Albania’s newly discovered petroleum reserves. Albania’s strategic location on the Adriatic Sea guarantees the West easy access to Albanian oil, without having to deal with unsavory governments.

In the coming months, look for a growing political support for Kosovo’s union with Albania to form a Greater Albania, something that would have been unimaginable only a few years ago.

The West will sit idly by as Albania expands its borders, knowing that a Greater Albania will be inclined to sell oil to the West and is not likely to be influenced by the Serbs and Russians.

After Kosovo, the next target for Albania will probably be its neighbor, the Republic of Macedonia. Ethnic Albanians make up nearly a third of the Macedonian population.

While it is doubtful that a Greater Albania could gobble up all of Macedonia, it may attempt to annex the ethnic Albanian areas of Macedonia contiguous to the Albania-Macedonia border.

Macedonia might just allow this to occur in order to hasten its admission to the European Union.



Zachary Hubbard is a retired Army officer residing in Upper Yoder Township. He served as the chief of intelligence assessments and senior Balkans intelligence analyst for the NATO Stabilization Force in the former Yugoslavia. Hubbard is a member of The Tribune-Democrat’s Readership Advisory Committee.
That is one clear and concise explanatory post http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

But too fricking long!
http://newmedia.funnyjunk.com/pictures/tired_kitten.jpg

[Happy Times]

Read this and be amazed.

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=296087740

[August]

no, who REALLY started it was Tito, a Croatian Nazi, he was a fool to think he could keep yugoslavia together..:damn::damn:, if he never came into power, the balkan wars would never have happened, no genocide and no albanians would be living in kosovo now..

Don't blame Tito for your peoples penchant for genocide... :roll:

[Skybird]

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target.
They did. Seven nations are affected all in all.

Well, I would hate to think WE were the only ones. :dead:
Why the worry? The US put a lot of pressure on Turkey, the EU and the UN president to recognize Kosovo, to get legitimation after having broken it out of the russian sphere of influence as soon as possible, and make it accessible for their pipeline project. It's just that this real background story of the events is not much and only rarely published in the media. Damn telephone uplink - slow as the seasons.

Yes, you have to find the small media;)

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/editorials/local_story_053121722.html

In Kosovo, sacrificing principles for oil


BY ZACHARY HUBBARD

Once again the Bush administration is sacrificing its conservative principles to satisfy our nation’s seeming insatiable thirst for foreign oil.

The latest victims of our oil lust are the ethnic Serbs living in Kosovo. Until Feb. 18, ...
(...)
...as the chief of intelligence assessments and senior Balkans intelligence analyst for the NATO Stabilization Force in the former Yugoslavia. Hubbard is a member of The Tribune-Democrat’s Readership Advisory Committee.

I am not about Albanian oil ressources, that I consider to be so small anyway that I rate them as a fairy tale Albanians keep telling to themselves to make themselves believe what a wonderful, bright and rich future Kosovo will have - it will not, but will remain to be the poorest country in europe, totally unable to survive by itself, and highly dependant from the good will of other nations financing it.

What I mean is the pioeling that is known under the acronym AMBO (American registrated consortium, that is meant to bypass the Bospurus and evade any route that could be touched by russian or Iranian influence all together, leading from Central Asia and the Caspian Sea, from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, over the Black Sea, via Bulgarian ports, pumping oil further westward via Macedonia and ending in norther Albanian harbours. It is this pipeline project, supervised by the CEO of a subdivision of Halliburton, that has decided America's decision that it wants Kosovo, so to speak. Well, it got it.

Beyond that - and that is a detail Elite hunter is overseeing - washington has as little strategic interest in Kosovo than the Russians have - the traditonal slavic ties are hopelessly overinterpreted here, for Moscow Kosovo is only a good opportunity to flex its rethoric muscles and becomne loud on phrases like national pride, russian power etc etc etc - but there is nothing for Moscow to be won in a serious conflict over Kosovo. If it comes to serious decisions - the russians will step down and leave the Serbs alone. You better believe it, elite hunter. ;) Don't bet your money on a dead horse. the russians have several strategic interests in the world - Kosovo is not one of them. It is only a training session for PR rethorics.

I am on 56k dial up currently (changing internet provider, and with problpems again, as usual with german telecom companies), so forgive that I must be a bit heistent to engage in any live discussions on this. It currently takes close to 2 minutes for any subsim forum site to load. that kills the motivation a bit.

[Happy Times]

Why didn't they also attack the embassies of the other countries that recognized Kosovo? I guess "we" are the favorite target.
They did. Seven nations are affected all in all.

Well, I would hate to think WE were the only ones. :dead:
Why the worry? The US put a lot of pressure on Turkey, the EU and the UN president to recognize Kosovo, to get legitimation after having broken it out of the russian sphere of influence as soon as possible, and make it accessible for their pipeline project. It's just that this real background story of the events is not much and only rarely published in the media. Damn telephone uplink - slow as the seasons.

Yes, you have to find the small media;)

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/editorials/local_story_053121722.html

In Kosovo, sacrificing principles for oil


BY ZACHARY HUBBARD

Once again the Bush administration is sacrificing its conservative principles to satisfy our nation’s seeming insatiable thirst for foreign oil.

The latest victims of our oil lust are the ethnic Serbs living in Kosovo. Until Feb. 18, ...
(...)
...as the chief of intelligence assessments and senior Balkans intelligence analyst for the NATO Stabilization Force in the former Yugoslavia. Hubbard is a member of The Tribune-Democrat’s Readership Advisory Committee.

I am not about Albanian oil ressources, that I consider to be so small anyway that I rate them as a fairy tale Albanians keep telling to themselves to make themselves believe what a wonderful, bright and rich future Kosovo will have - it will not, but will remain to be the poorest country in europe, totally unable to survive by itself, and highly dependant from the good will of other nations financing it.

What I mean is the pioeling that is known under the acronym AMBO (American registrated consortium, that is meant to bypass the Bospurus and evade any route that could be touched by russian or Iranian influence all together, leading from Central Asia and the Caspian Sea, from Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan, over the Black Sea, via Bulgarian ports, pumping oil further westward via Macedonia and ending in norther Albanian harbours. It is this pipeline project, supervised by the CEO of a subdivision of Halliburton, that has decided America's decision that it wants Kosovo, so to speak. Well, it got it.

Beyond that - and that is a detail Elite hunter is overseeing - washington has as little strategic interest in Kosovo than the Russians have - the traditonal slavic ties are hopelessly overinterpreted here, for Moscow Kosovo is only a good opportunity to flex its rethoric muscles and becomne loud on phrases like national pride, russian power etc etc etc - but there is nothing for Moscow to be won in a serious conflict over Kosovo. If it comes to serious decisions - the russians will step down and leave the Serbs alone. You better believe it, elite hunter. ;) Don't bet your money on a dead horse. the russians have several strategic interests in the world - Kosovo is not one of them. It is only a training session for PR rethorics.

I am on 56k dial up currently (changing internet provider, and with problpems again, as usual with german telecom companies), so forgive that I must be a bit heistent to engage in any live discussions on this. It currently takes close to 2 minutes for any subsim forum site to load. that kills the motivation a bit.

I know you were talking about the AMBO pipeline.;) But these are all interrelated, the AMBO pipeline, Albanian gas and oil etc.. Read the link i posted..

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=296087740

[August]

Beyond that - and that is a detail Elite hunter is overseeing - washington has as little strategic interest in Kosovo than the Russians have - the traditonal slavic ties are hopelessly overinterpreted here, for Moscow Kosovo is only a good opportunity to flex its rethoric muscles and becomne loud on phrases like national pride, russian power etc etc etc - but there is nothing for Moscow to be won in a serious conflict over Kosovo. If it comes to serious decisions - the russians will step down and leave the Serbs alone. You better believe it, elite hunter. ;) Don't bet your money on a dead horse. the russians have several strategic interests in the world - Kosovo is not one of them. It is only a training session for PR rethorics.

I am gobsmacked! :o I agree with Skybird!

[CCIP]

Beyond that - and that is a detail Elite hunter is overseeing - washington has as little strategic interest in Kosovo than the Russians have - the traditonal slavic ties are hopelessly overinterpreted here, for Moscow Kosovo is only a good opportunity to flex its rethoric muscles and becomne loud on phrases like national pride, russian power etc etc etc - but there is nothing for Moscow to be won in a serious conflict over Kosovo. If it comes to serious decisions - the russians will step down and leave the Serbs alone. You better believe it, elite hunter. ;) Don't bet your money on a dead horse. the russians have several strategic interests in the world - Kosovo is not one of them. It is only a training session for PR rethorics.
I am gobsmacked! :o I agree with Skybird!

Hey, noone agreed with me when I said the same thing a few pages back :88)

[elite_hunter_sh3]

I cant stop laughing at your sig, elite :lol::lol:

yep, i support independence of california, texas, new mexico, Arizona, they have or soon will have hispanic majority populations and should be allowed to declare independence, Quebec should be allowed since the quebec seperatists want it.. after all Kosovo was allowed to split.. why cant they?? :roll::roll:

[August]

I cant stop laughing at your sig, elite :lol::lol:
yep, i support independence of california, texas, new mexico, Arizona, they have or soon will have hispanic majority populations and should be allowed to declare independence, Quebec should be allowed since the quebec seperatists want it.. after all Kosovo was allowed to split.. why cant they?? :roll::roll:

The rest of the world might actually be sympathetic to independance for those areas if Canada and the US were run by Serbs. The Serbs have treated the Kosovarians so badly that they'd rather be independant and dirt poor than remain part of Serbia any longer. :yep::yep:

[August]

Hey, noone agreed with me when I said the same thing a few pages back :88)

Agreeing with you would hardly gobsmack any sensible person. Agreeing with Skybird is so rare as to force a comment! :yep: :D

[Onkel Neal]

Actually it was the Albanians that created the situation, very cleverly.

I think it's time the Serbians tried some of that cleverness stuff on their own, instead of failed blunt force trauma approaches. If they were smart, they could buy property in Kosovo and take over when they actually had some people who lived there.

[CCIP]

The real truth is that both sides played dirty. Not even both - all the sides in the Former Yugoslavia have plenty of blood on their hands.

I'm personally somewhat sympathetic to Serbs in this case, but not Serbia so much.
I'm unsympathetic to the way NATO took sides in this. But what's done is done, and honestly, anyone who thinks anything is worth more bloodshed and instability in the Balkans is stupid. Otherwise, there's no question that the only way Serbia would get Kosovo to be the way they want it to be, and dispense with the problems that they alledge there are, is by removing Albanians from there wholesale. As much as I'm sympathetic to the Serbs, Albanians are people too. And if I learned anything from Stalin's times, removing people wholesale from anywhere is no clean business.

[joea]

no, who REALLY started it was Tito, a Croatian Nazi, he was a fool to think he could keep yugoslavia together..:damn::damn:, if he never came into power, the balkan wars would never have happened, no genocide and no albanians would be living in kosovo now..
Don't blame Tito for your peoples penchant for genocide... :roll:

No people have a "penchant" for genocide.

[August]

no, who REALLY started it was Tito, a Croatian Nazi, he was a fool to think he could keep yugoslavia together..:damn::damn:, if he never came into power, the balkan wars would never have happened, no genocide and no albanians would be living in kosovo now..
Don't blame Tito for your peoples penchant for genocide... :roll:
No people have a "penchant" for genocide.

Maybe not but some are a lot more comfortable with it than others.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

AMERICA are you REALLY 100% absolutly sure you want to bomb us???? oh, i forgot to mention we are getting these:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/188/427810822_85ba1993e4.jpg

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57373

bomb us now... :arrgh!::arrgh!::arrgh!::arrgh!::rock::rotfl:

[August]

Dream on stormfront boy. No way would Russia ever give working nukes to a loose cannon country like Serbia.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57373

you 100% sure about that??? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

if we were a loose cannon we would have started a war by now.....:roll: (and i believe USA is a loose Cannon... lets see, Iraq, somalia, serbia, panama, soon to be iran:roll:) who is the loose cannon????:roll:

[August]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57373

you 100% sure about that??? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Yeah I read the article. Offering does not equal actually providing. Besides does Serbia have anyone that can maintain nuclear weapons? I doubt it.

Your "best" scenario is Russia stations some of their nukes in Serbia under control of their technicians.

Your "worst" scenario is one of them is fired off at some European target and NATO responds in kind with enough force to make Serbia a glass floored self lighting parking lot.

But that's ok because it's all :rock: right?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57373

you 100% sure about that??? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Yeah I read the article. Offering does not equal actually providing. Besides does Serbia have anyone that can maintain nuclear weapons? I doubt it.

Your "best" scenario is Russia stations some of their nukes in Serbia under control of their technicians.

Your "worst" scenario is one of them is fired off at some European target and NATO responds in kind with enough force to make Serbia a glass floored self lighting parking lot.

But that's ok because it's all :rock: right?

thats exactly whats happening... they said install a RUSSIAN nuclear missile Base in serbia... :hmm: , NATO cant do anything, Russia will clearly be the ones controlling the nukes.. so if the nukes go off its Russia not serbia :lol: (id rather have them as a deterrance, and let serbian population join the army and fight ) and NATO doesnt want WW3 do they?????:huh::-?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

(id rather have them as a deterrance, and let serbian population join the army and fight ) and NATO doesnt want WW3 do they?????:huh::-?

So you expect the Russians to act as your deterrence?

[August]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57373

you 100% sure about that??? :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Yeah I read the article. Offering does not equal actually providing. Besides does Serbia have anyone that can maintain nuclear weapons? I doubt it.

Your "best" scenario is Russia stations some of their nukes in Serbia under control of their technicians.

Your "worst" scenario is one of them is fired off at some European target and NATO responds in kind with enough force to make Serbia a glass floored self lighting parking lot.

But that's ok because it's all :rock: right?
thats exactly whats happening... they said install a RUSSIAN nuclear missile Base in serbia... :hmm: , NATO cant do anything, Russia will clearly be the ones controlling the nukes.. so if the nukes go off its Russia not serbia :lol: (id rather have them as a deterrance, and let serbian population join the army and fight ) and NATO doesnt want WW3 do they?????:huh::-?

So do you seriously think the Russians would risk global thermonuclear war to defend Serbia? You're being played by the Red Bear and you don't even realize it.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

nope we expect the NUKES to act as our deterrance, NATO wont have the balls to bomb a country armed with Nuclear ICBMs.... and considering the Russian Aircraft carrier, missile cruiser and 3 subs are in the meditterranean near the adriatic sea, air campaign will be close to impossible... how do you know russia wont simply close off air space over serbia.. your stealth bombers are an embarrassment, we know how to shoot those down..... likewise.. only thing we can do is wait and see what happens :arrgh!:

[Tchocky]

Helloooo fifties...

[elite_hunter_sh3]

So do you seriously think the Russians would risk global thermonuclear war to defend Serbia? You're being played by the Red Bear and you don't even realize it.

you mean NATO??? :shifty: Russia isnt taking any risks by putting nukes under their control in serbia... NATO , the commie EU and U.S government are taking risks by messing around the balkans in the first place.... :roll:

[bradclark1]

I bet a dollar menu double cheeseburger that no Russian nuke will ever touch Serbian territory.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

I bet a dollar menu double cheeseburger that no Russian nuke will ever touch Serbian territory.

you want fries with that bet??? :rotfl:

[bradclark1]

I bet a dollar menu double cheeseburger that no Russian nuke will ever touch Serbian territory.

you want fries with that bet??? :rotfl:
Sure. At least you see you'll be paying me.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

nope we expect the NUKES to act as our deterrance, NATO wont have the balls to bomb a country armed with Nuclear ICBMs.

You wouldnt be armed with ICBMs, they'd be Russian. Now I bet the next thing you'll want to post is "But they wont stand for losing a bunch of missiles"

That's assuming Serbia was ever struck off the face of the earth. Single warhead missiles wont have the destructive power to wipe it off the map, so the worst the Russians would feel is an earth-fart.

[Konovalov]

Dream on stormfront boy.
:rotfl: :rotfl:

No way would Russia ever give working nukes to a loose cannon country like Serbia.
Let him dream. :roll:

Can this thread get any more ridiculous? Hold on! What is EliteSH going to post next? :hmm:

[Jimbuna]

So do you seriously think the Russians would risk global thermonuclear war to defend Serbia? You're being played by the Red Bear and you don't even realize it.

you mean NATO??? :shifty: Russia isnt taking any risks by putting nukes under their control in serbia... NATO , the commie EU and U.S government are taking risks by messing around the balkans in the first place.... :roll:

Are you in any way related to Walter Mitty ? http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/621/thinkbigsw1.gif

[Defiance]

Elite me old mucker,
Canada is independant me old chum

It's just in the Commonwealth matey

So please drop canada from your sig :lol:

Ciao

Def

[August]

So "Elite", when reality finally intrudes into that fantasy world you're living in will you be able to stand it? :p

BTW I still don't see any sign of your impending departure to Belgrade. Remember, if you wait until the balloon goes up you will find that all commercial flights into the country have been cancelled...

Nothing more embarrassing than being forced to sit out the war on the side lines because you missed the boat... What would your naz, er, i mean "stormfront" buddys say about a member of the master race who doesn't heed the call to return to the fatherland. :rotfl:

[Tchocky]

C'mon August, we can't hold people to these kind of statements! Do you really want to see STEED head off to Brussels in a tank?


Actually...

[August]

C'mon August, we can't hold people to these kind of statements! Do you really want to see STEED head off to Brussels in a tank?


Actually...

:lol::lol:

At least Steed didn't make it part of his forum sig...

[baggygreen]

C'mon August, we can't hold people to these kind of statements! Do you really want to see STEED head off to Brussels in a tank?


Actually...That would be a helluva sight to see!

Go STEED!

[Takeda Shingen]

Come on guys, this is like watching New England play a Pop Warner team, and the Pop Warner team doesn't realize that it is losing. Let's wrap it up. Even I'm starting to feel guilty.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Come on guys, this is like watching New England play a Pop Warner team, and the Pop Warner team doesn't realize that it is losing. Let's wrap it up. Even I'm starting to feel guilty.

Or New England playing the Giants. Giggity-gig!

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Come on guys, this is like watching New England play a Pop Warner team, and the Pop Warner team doesn't realize that it is losing. Let's wrap it up. Even I'm starting to feel guilty.
Or New England playing the Giants. Giggity-gig!

New England = US/NATO

Giants = Russia/Serbia

:yep:

[Defiance]

Elite could i be so bold as to ask a question, Are you a communist ? (or whatever they like to call themselves nowadays) or am i miles off the track

I ask this to clear something up in my own mind

I myself am anti-communist for many reasons but mainly as communism could never work when the top brass had luxuries while the poor and peasants were killing themselves working for almost nothing for the top elite to preach to the world how good communism was when in fact it was a nice way to cream money from a state/country and live a jetset life with all medical/social privileges which the average person had no chance of seeing

I hear what your saying but i can't really see the sense/point

Cheers

Ciao

Def

[Defiance]

Man i missed a post

"nope we expect the NUKES to act as our deterrance, NATO wont have the balls to bomb a country armed with Nuclear ICBMs"

Dude sorry to pee on ya bonfire but, The usa or alike could do wtf it liked in serbia and russia would not launch a icbm, They are not complete nutters ya know, unlike someone on here lol

You think a country that had an idea that if accidentally a nuke went flying to the usa they would allow a similar strike back at them to even things out so stopping a war ?? sheesh get a grip, You could be rear mollested (daren't type in proper wording) and russia would still have enough sense not to use nukes

Sheesh get a life, Grow a pair, Somehow get it sorted so that you only have a serbian passport and get the hell out of a cushy democratic country that allows you liberties that you wouldn't have in your "own" country

Yeah give up what ya got and make a nice new fresh start in your beloved country, If i expressed such a dedication to my country i wouldn't of left it no matter what the reason

Amazes me if you do indeed have a dual nationality passport how you were able to drag yourself away from such a country you feel so dedicated too, Over here in UK/GB whatever you like to call it it staggers me how many dual passport holders mock the country they are allowed to spout abuse in and rave about the country on their other passport and yet in the country they defend from a far they haven't this liberty lol

I myself would love to of been born in america but alas it was england so i am english and i do have some pride and feelings for certain things english but maybe like some i don't like the way england as a whole is developing but for now i support it as a whole, But for instance if i had a dual passport i can tell you now i would relinquish one (uk) and devote myself to my new nation which by choice would be the usa

Always i hear about this bleeding heart stuff from the better of the dual-passported countries (big clue in this ;) ) and not really any preaching from the other passported country ;)

I take people as people, Don't matter to me who/what they call god etc, They could be bright green covered in orange spots and it wouldn't bother me, If they are decent i'm decent back if not i would ignore and have nothing to do with them
Luckily my parents were not racist/sexist etc so i and rest of family lucky followed suit

Anyway i don't know you as a person and luckily i don't think i ever would as you tax my mind so to speak in what you say err well type actually

Ignore my question above i think i've made my mind up about where your coming from

Have Fun

Ciao

Def

oops spelling

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Come on guys, this is like watching New England play a Pop Warner team, and the Pop Warner team doesn't realize that it is losing. Let's wrap it up. Even I'm starting to feel guilty.
Or New England playing the Giants. Giggity-gig!
New England = US/NATO

Giants = Russia/Serbia

:yep:

Russia/Serbia = 2007 Dolphins. :lol:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

no i hate communists.. they are pathetic.. tito was a dickhead and i hate nazis too... specially croatian nazis....

and i never said specifically i would use nukes.... did U.S bomb Russia duringthe cold war?? no... did they bomb Cuba?? no.. did they bomb North korea in the last 2 years??? no...... i specifically said that if serbia had a russian nuclear ICBM base, NATO wouldnt be so bold to bomb us and magically say we are the evil commie regime ...:roll: we are already getting a Russian military base the size of camp bondsteel...

no one wants to use nukes... otherwise we would all be dead and Earth would be a smoldering nuclear wasteland..., nukes are simply used as (in simple wording ) " you cant bomb us we have nukes we can use agaisnt you"..

only reason i moved to canada is because of the NATO bombing campaign in the 90s/ the collapse of economy/yugoslavia/ communism..

its embarassing that you think serbia is a totalitarion regime like north korea or Iran... :roll: go read a history book on serbia...

the albanians are simple to understand.. you give them an inch they take a mile... you give them autonomy they burn down churches and ethnically cleanse the majority population down to a minor 150,000 people, now your from the UK, i wonder if you would support the independence of Wales???? :roll:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I cannot believe you are seriously comparing Serbia to Wales.

[Konovalov]

I cannot believe you are seriously comparing Serbia to Wales.

The word seriously and all of it's derivatives have no place in this thread, period. :lol: I'm outa here.

[Foxtrot]

The word seriously and all of it's derivatives have no place in this thread, period. :lol: I'm outa here.

I concur.
elite_hunter_sh3: You are making fun of yourselves here. Folks here are teasing you, and it should be apparent by now. Internet boards are never to be taken seriously. They are for a buch of nerds to rent and babble about something which they (probably) won't do/say in real life. Someone to be blamed for something, you know.

I really can't believe that I am writing this :damn:

[Defiance]

Hiya's,
The National Assembly was first established in 1998 under the Government of Wales Act

Err wales and scotland are destined for a kind of self rule so i can't see a problem with wales as such, Heck scotlands mp's get paid from scotland and england but an english mp can't claim from scotland lol and it's been using it's own laws from day 1 as it was the stuarts that took the english thrown and merged the countries (if my history is correct) , Not sure about the welsh assembly payments

Most people whether in wales or scotland as of yet don't want a full independence that is fact (look at election results)

Here i don't think the average person would want or even feel the need for a waring island as it stands now

Last time i lived in wales i never heard a whisper of armed revolt from any native ;)


Cheers

Ciao

Def

[Jimbuna]

The word seriously and all of it's derivatives have no place in this thread, period. :lol: I'm outa here.

I concur.
elite_hunter_sh3: You are making fun of yourselves here. Folks here are teasing you, and it should be apparent by now. Internet boards are never to be taken seriously. They are for a buch of nerds to rent and babble about something which they (probably) won't do/say in real life. Someone to be blamed for something, you know.

I really can't believe that I am writing this :damn:

You can't beat a bit of anonymous pseudo machoism :lol:

[Tchocky]

You can't beat a bit of anonymous pseudo machoism :lol:
Say that to my FACE why don't ya?!!

Don't make me come over there!

[Kapitan_Phillips]

You can't beat a bit of anonymous pseudo machoism :lol: Say that to my FACE why don't ya?!!

Don't make me come over there!


POW, Right in the kisser!

[Dowly]

http://omglol.kerrolisaa.com/1/9807.gif

@this thread
http://omglol.kerrolisaa.com/1/9712.gif

[sonar732]

They are for a buch of nerds to rent and babble about something which they (probably) won't do/say in real life. Someone to be blamed for something, you know.

Hey...who are you calling a nerd? :mad::stare::x

Wait...I better take down my Linux topic.:rotfl::rotfl:

[Foxtrot]

They are for a buch of nerds to rent and babble about something which they (probably) won't do/say in real life. Someone to be blamed for something, you know.

Hey...who are you calling a nerd? :mad::stare::x

Wait...I better take down my Linux topic.:rotfl::rotfl:

nerd! nerd! nerd! nerd!


oops! :oops:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

you UK people need

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mJSl2xgKL._AA280_.jpg

to fix that internet blabbermouth :lol::lol:

[Zayphod]

I cannot believe you are seriously comparing Serbia to Wales.

Especially since the Serbs cannot possibly swim as deep as Wales can.

Oh, sorry, wrong whales. :oops:

[Jimbuna]

You can't beat a bit of anonymous pseudo machoism :lol:
Say that to my FACE why don't ya?!!

Don't make me come over there!

Not much point in you coming over there, when in actual fact I'm over here :lol:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

:lol::lol: Owned!

[sonar732]

Ok...here's the latest out of Belgrade.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336110,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,336110,00.html)

BELGRADE, Serbia — Serbia's prime minister dissolved the government Saturday and called for new elections after clashing with his pro-Western coalition partners over Kosovo and EU membership.
Vojislav Kostunica said that he will convene a caretaker government session Monday that will propose to parliament that new elections be held May 11.


(http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/08/serbia.ap/index.html)
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/08/serbia.ap/index.html




Story Highlights
Serbian PM Vojislav Kostunica dissolves government and calls for elections
Kostunica clashed with pro-Western coalition over Kosovo, EU membership
Kostunica said he will convene special government session Monday

[elite_hunter_sh3]

SWEET:rock: thats some damn good news.. :rock: , now once the TRUE winner of the earlier elections (nikolic) gets back into power we can forget about the corrupt commie EU and stick with our Russian brothers :D , at this rate kosovo will be liberated by the end of this year... after all this year is the year where mccain wins, america bombs iran and goes broke, obama wins he will be assasinated like kennedy and clinton wins she will bomb iran and be worse then clinton and bush...:yep: so its looking mighty good for serbia and kosovo serbs in the upcoming months:yep:

[baggygreen]

translation please!

all i saw there was death, war, and death, and lots of happy faces....:shifty:

[darius359au]

Translation is elite thinks Serbia is going to go ethnically cleanse kosovo , the west gets destroyed and Serbia and Russia inherits the earth - still dont see elite booking a ticket to go help in the great crusade though.

[Skybird]

Sad days ahead for Elite, for he probably will not get his will. We have a saying in Germany: "den meisten Leuten ist das Hemd näher als die Hose", translated into Serbish context it means that most people will vote for those chances that they think will give them better economic perspectives - and that is pragmatically voting for the reformers and the EU camp instead of nationalists. At least that is what almost every foreign correspondent I heared or read is saying/writing. No war. No big Russian intervention - not even a big Serbish-Russian alliance, sorry.

My antipathy aganst the UCK and the Albanians in Kosovo is known, but beyond that, the Kosovo issue is massively overblown in importance by Serbs. No muslim and no Serb of today lived back at the time of the battle on the Amselfeld. Nobody of the living today owns history. Nobody has a right to make those events the justification of his today'S actions, like Milosevic did in his blood-and-tears-speech back then before he set the Balkans aflame; where somebody does, he is acting irrationally (agreed, people love to act irrationally :shifty: ). Nobody should even desire to live with his head stuck in the stories of that long gone war. the cult around Kosovo is not founded on noblesse or victory - let's not forget it, it is a cult founded on loss and defeat that pathetically is mourned for until today, it is endless crying, not a head held high in pride. Damn, Serbia - get over it - and then be welcomed to the 21st century. You have a just point only were you complain about the West having betrayed you when guaranteeing the rest of Yugoslavia territorial integrity in a UN resolution - and then accepting independenceof Kosovo for selfish Western strategic goals. That is all story there is in the present. the Amselfeld never played a role for the EU, the UN, or anyone's thinking outside Serbia. Nor should it. So, get over it, and move on.

[Takeda Shingen]

SWEET:rock: thats some damn good news.. :rock: , now once the TRUE winner of the earlier elections (nikolic) gets back into power we can forget about the corrupt commie EU and stick with our Russian brothers :D , at this rate kosovo will be liberated by the end of this year... after all this year is the year where mccain wins, america bombs iran and goes broke, obama wins he will be assasinated like kennedy and clinton wins she will bomb iran and be worse then clinton and bush...:yep: so its looking mighty good for serbia and kosovo serbs in the upcoming months:yep:

I'm sorry, did you just wish for the assasination of the President of the United States?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Hey when elite gets killed by 'The Man', can I have his visa? ;)

[Jimbuna]

SWEET:rock: thats some damn good news.. :rock: , now once the TRUE winner of the earlier elections (nikolic) gets back into power we can forget about the corrupt commie EU and stick with our Russian brothers :D , at this rate kosovo will be liberated by the end of this year... after all this year is the year where mccain wins, america bombs iran and goes broke, obama wins he will be assasinated like kennedy and clinton wins she will bomb iran and be worse then clinton and bush...:yep: so its looking mighty good for serbia and kosovo serbs in the upcoming months:yep:

:roll: ..........................:nope:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

SWEET:rock: thats some damn good news.. :rock: , now once the TRUE winner of the earlier elections (nikolic) gets back into power we can forget about the corrupt commie EU and stick with our Russian brothers :D , at this rate kosovo will be liberated by the end of this year... after all this year is the year where mccain wins, america bombs iran and goes broke, obama wins he will be assasinated like kennedy and clinton wins she will bomb iran and be worse then clinton and bush...:yep: so its looking mighty good for serbia and kosovo serbs in the upcoming months:yep:
I'm sorry, did you just wish for the assasination of the President of the United States?

oh so you assume obama is already the president????:roll: , can you exactly tell me what the percentages are from the election??? , knowing true americans and their history with blacks, i made the logical assumption that he could very well be assasinated... King got shot didnt he??, it's most likely gonna be Mccain that wins.. he is te worst possible candidate but he will win, because 90% of the voters are people who dont give 2 **** about what goes on in the rest of the world.. they only care that gas prices are cheap, they have their jobs, their house, car and tv....:shifty:

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Hey when elite gets killed by 'The Man', can I have his visa? ;)

i dont own any credit cards... use cash only :up: banks make their money off credit card interest.. also so i dont allow 'The Man' as much of a profit as he wants to....

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Hey when elite gets killed by 'The Man', can I have his visa? ;)
i dont own any credit cards... use cash only :up: banks make their money off credit card interest.. also so i dont allow 'The Man' as much of a profit as he wants to....

No, I mean visa as in right-to-stay-in-a-country-card ;)


Oh, and by the way, you just got reported :up:

[Jimbuna]

SWEET:rock: thats some damn good news.. :rock: , now once the TRUE winner of the earlier elections (nikolic) gets back into power we can forget about the corrupt commie EU and stick with our Russian brothers :D , at this rate kosovo will be liberated by the end of this year... after all this year is the year where mccain wins, america bombs iran and goes broke, obama wins he will be assasinated like kennedy and clinton wins she will bomb iran and be worse then clinton and bush...:yep: so its looking mighty good for serbia and kosovo serbs in the upcoming months:yep:
I'm sorry, did you just wish for the assasination of the President of the United States?

oh so you assume obama is already the president????:roll: , can you exactly tell me what the percentages are from the election??? , knowing true americans and their history with blacks, i made the logical assumption that he could very well be assasinated... King got shot didnt he??, it's most likely gonna be Mccain that wins.. he is te worst possible candidate but he will win, because 90% of the voters are people who dont give 2 **** about what goes on in the rest of the world.. they only care that gas prices are cheap, they have their jobs, their house, car and tv....:shifty:

I don't claim to be an expert on American history.......but if my memory serves me correctly, there has never been a black American President thus far.
Therefore all the Presidents that have been assassinated or wounded have in fact been white.
So what exactly is the link your trying to make between King and American Presidents ?

At best your comments are subjective.
At worst they are inflammatory and offensive.

Give it a rest.......your not the only person on this forum.....and you certainly don't bear the weight of the worlds problems solely on your own shoulders. :nope:

[sonar732]

SWEET:rock: thats some damn good news.. :rock: , now once the TRUE winner of the earlier elections (nikolic) gets back into power we can forget about the corrupt commie EU and stick with our Russian brothers :D , at this rate kosovo will be liberated by the end of this year... after all this year is the year where mccain wins, america bombs iran and goes broke, obama wins he will be assasinated like kennedy and clinton wins she will bomb iran and be worse then clinton and bush...:yep: so its looking mighty good for serbia and kosovo serbs in the upcoming months:yep:
I'm sorry, did you just wish for the assasination of the President of the United States?

Wouldn't be the first time he's called this on Obama.

[Takeda Shingen]

oh so you assume obama is already the president????:roll: , can you exactly tell me what the percentages are from the election??? , knowing true americans and their history with blacks, i made the logical assumption that he could very well be assasinated... King got shot didnt he??, it's most likely gonna be Mccain that wins.. he is te worst possible candidate but he will win, because 90% of the voters are people who dont give 2 **** about what goes on in the rest of the world.. they only care that gas prices are cheap, they have their jobs, their house, car and tv....:shifty:

Look junior, you said that Obama would be assasinated if he were elected. You did not say that he would be assasinated if defeated. Your post was in the hypothetical. My response was in the hypothetical. Accordingly, it is not my problem if you are not able to follow the continuity of your own argument.

The rest of your post is very cute, especially from an avowed white supremacist. What care you of the plight of the African American?