Obama campaign rep STUMPED on legislative accomplishments

[SUBMAN1]

Scary. Why are people voting for him?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZTo0iGc_Dw

-S

[Jimbuna]

LMAO http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3060/gigglebigtb9.gif

What an http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img89/6936/asshatjp2.gif

[ReallyDedPoet]

Scary. Why are people voting for him?



Governments bring themselves down, it's not as much a vote for Obama, more of a vote for change. He may end up being the benefactor for that.


RDP

[nikimcbee]

Scary. Why are people voting for him?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZTo0iGc_Dw

-S

Name something either of them has accomplished.:rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

Name something either of them has accomplished.:rotfl:At least with Hitlery, you know how she might vote on a given subject. Obama could be a loose cannon for all we know. McCain - I am not even sure what party he represent?

Man the choices suck this time around.

-S

[nikimcbee]

Name something either of them has accomplished.:rotfl:At least with Hitlery, you know how she might vote on a given subject. Obama could be a loose cannon for all we know. McCain - I am not even sure what party he represent?

Man the choices suck this time around.

-S

Yeah, I think we've entered the twilight zone:roll: . 6 months ago, if you told me everybody wanted Hillary to win, I would have said you were crazy. I think you are right on, it's the lesser of 3 evils: Marxist, Marxist, and what ever mccain is.:roll:

[sonar732]

That was great!

[bradclark1]

Thats why I think Obama isn't worth my vote. He doesn't take a stand on anything. He hasn't done anything. His record is full of abstains. He's got charisma and thats all he has.

[Konovalov]

Thats why I think Obama isn't worth my vote. He doesn't take a stand on anything. He hasn't done anything. His record is full of abstains. He's got charisma and thats all he has.

So what does that tell you about these hordes of new voters turning out and the Obama mania that has been sweeping the country? Perhaps that style wins over substance and that voters are desperate for at least perceived change. :hmm:

[Tchocky]

Ah yes, they're all Marxists.

Sure.


On the video, that's not very inspiring. But in the spirit of fairness, remember that you can find these moments for every candidate, and some are more damaging than others.

Q: “What about grants for sex education in the United States? Should they include instructions about using contraceptives? Or should it be Bush’s policy, which is just abstinence?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “Ahhh. I think I support the president’s policy.”
Q: “So no contraception, no counseling on contraception. Just abstinence. Do you think contraceptives help stop the spread of HIV?”
Mr. McCain: (Long pause) “You’ve stumped me.”
Q: “I mean, I think you’d probably agree it probably does help stop it?”
Mr. McCain: (Laughs) “Are we on the Straight Talk express? I’m not informed enough on it. Let me find out. You know, I’m sure I’ve taken a position on it on the past. I have to find out what my position was. Brian, would you find out what my position is on contraception – I’m sure I’m opposed to government spending on it, I’m sure I support the president’s policies on it.”

[August]

McCain - I am not even sure what party he represent?

The President is supposed to represent the entire people Subman, not just one party.

[SUBMAN1]

McCain - I am not even sure what party he represent?
The President is supposed to represent the entire people Subman, not just one party.:rotfl: Good one! This was a joke wasn't it?

-S

[August]

McCain - I am not even sure what party he represent?
The President is supposed to represent the entire people Subman, not just one party.:rotfl: Good one! This was a joke wasn't it?

-S

That's funny to you? IMO partisanship has never been a good thing for our country. especially in a President.

[SUBMAN1]

That's funny to you? IMO partisanship has never been a good thing for our country. especially in a President.Lets put it this way - its a good pipe dream. I guess you can say he gets elected to promote the majorities agenda.

-S

[August]

That's funny to you? IMO partisanship has never been a good thing for our country. especially in a President.Lets put it this way - its a good pipe dream. I guess you can say he gets elected to promote the majorities agenda.

-S

We've had plenty of Presidents that went beyond such a small view of the job. Read John Adams "Thoughts on Government" for a start.

[Von Tonner]

Scary. Why are people voting for him?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SZTo0iGc_Dw

-S

TWO SENATORS - PLAYING AROUND, OR BUSY?
Senator Clinton, who has served just one full term of 6 years and another year campaigning, managed to author and pass into law only 20 twenty pieces of legislation in all of her six years. Read them to see just how asinine, juvenile and meaningless so many of them are.
(These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress www.thomas.loc.gov)
1 . Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name a courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name a courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name a post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name a post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.
16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness
preservation system.


Senator Obama, in his 8 years in the Senate, has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.
In fact, in just his first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These include **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill
Among his many bills are:
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
6 veterans affairs"

[SUBMAN1]

We've had plenty of Presidents that went beyond such a small view of the job. Read John Adams "Thoughts on Government" for a start.Oh I'm sure that is the case. No doubt in my mind. Quick question though - have you looked at the latest line up? 2 of them are hard left wingers. One is in the middle and probably best fits your description.

-S

[Tchocky]

We've had plenty of Presidents that went beyond such a small view of the job. Read John Adams "Thoughts on Government" for a start.Oh I'm sure that is the case. No doubt in my mind. Quick question though - have you looked at the latest line up? 2 of them are hard left wingers. One is in the middle and probably best fits your description.

-S
Hard left wingers?

I'd say moderate centrists.

[SUBMAN1]

TWO SENATORS - PLAYING AROUND, OR BUSY?
Senator Clinton, who has served just one full term of 6 years and another year campaigning, managed to author and pass into law only 20 twenty pieces of legislation in all of her six years. Read them to see just how asinine, juvenile and meaningless so many of them are.
(These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress www.thomas.loc.gov (http://www.thomas.loc.gov))
1 . Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name a courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name a courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name a post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name a post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.
16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness
preservation system.


Senator Obama, in his 8 years in the Senate, has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.
In fact, in just his first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These include **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill
Among his many bills are:
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
6 veterans affairs"Uhhh... Where did you get your information? Wrong Obama I think - he hasn't been in the Senate that long yet as far as I know (I could be wrong) - He just got elected in 2004 and hasn't done anything!!!!

-S

[Konovalov]

We've had plenty of Presidents that went beyond such a small view of the job. Read John Adams "Thoughts on Government" for a start.Oh I'm sure that is the case. No doubt in my mind. Quick question though - have you looked at the latest line up? 2 of them are hard left wingers. One is in the middle and probably best fits your description.

-S
Hard left wingers?

I'd say moderate centrists.

Haven't you cottoned on to the trend here that these hard left wingers are a pack of commie nutjobs who want to paint the good olde US of A red. :lol:

In all seriousness though I tend to agree with your characterization.

[SUBMAN1]

I just looked it up - Obama was just elected to the Senate in 2004. That gives him 2 years on the job before he dropped everything for his presidential run.

Scratch that - 1 year since he wasn't sworn in till 2005.

-S

[DeepIron]

He's got charisma and thats all he has.
He's a first term Senator. He knows NOTHING! He has a BIG idealistic streak, wants to "change things", and has done NOTHING!

Charisma and Oprah are all he has. And sadly, in this disaffected, TV addicted, "pretty boy wins all" society of ours, it'll be all he needs...:nope:

[Von Tonner]

TWO SENATORS - PLAYING AROUND, OR BUSY?
Senator Clinton, who has served just one full term of 6 years and another year campaigning, managed to author and pass into law only 20 twenty pieces of legislation in all of her six years. Read them to see just how asinine, juvenile and meaningless so many of them are.
(These bills can be found on the website of the Library of Congress www.thomas.loc.gov (http://www.thomas.loc.gov))
1 . Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site.
2. Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month.
3. Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor.
4. Name a courthouse after Thurgood Marshall.
5. Name a courthouse after James L. Watson.
6. Name a post office after Jonn A. O'Shea.
7. Designate Aug. 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
8. Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day.
9. Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death.
10. Congratulate the Syracuse Univ. Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
11. Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.
12. Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program.
13. Name a post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda.
14. Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death.
15. Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.
16. Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11.
17. Pay for city projects in response to 9/11
18. Assist landmine victims in other countries.
19. Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care.
20. Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the wilderness
preservation system.


Senator Obama, in his 8 years in the Senate, has written 890 bills and co-sponsored another 1096.
In fact, in just his first year in the U.S. Senate, he authored 152 bills and co-sponsored another 427. These include **the Coburn-Obama Government Transparency Act of 2006 - became law, **The Lugar-Obama Nuclear Non-proliferation and Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction Act, - became law, **The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act, passed the Senate, **The 2007 Government Ethics Bill, - became law, **The Protection Against Excessive Executive Compensation Bill
Among his many bills are:
233 regarding healthcare reform,
125 on poverty and public assistance,
112 crime fighting bills,
97 economic bills,
60 human rights and anti-discrimination bills,
21 ethics reform bills,
6 veterans affairs"Uhhh... Where did you get your information? Wrong Obama I think - he hasn't been in the Senate that long yet as far as I know (I could be wrong) - He just got elected in 2004 and hasn't done anything!!!!

-S
Obama's Senate Years: Carefully crafting "the brand"

By Mike Dorning and Christi Parsons
A story we wrote for today's Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama_senate_recordjun12,1,48733.story?coll=chi-news-hed&?track=sto-topstory)offers a portrait of Barack Obama at work in the Senate. It shows how he hewed closely to a strategic plan hammered out with advisers shortly after his arrival in Washington to nurture what they saw as his "brand:" an identity as a unifier and consensus-builder, an almost postpolitical leader.
The result is a record on issues that ranges from international weapons proliferation to hometown bridges and highways. He has accumulated some significant but not high-profile legislative achievements, while managing to avoid any severe political bruises and, ultimately, expanding his national following.
Obama's performance in the Senate reveals a politician cannily focused on long-term political goals. With a mix of ambition and caution, he temporarily set aside the high-minded rhetoric of a Democratic National Convention speech that launched him into the national spotlight in favor of a more realistic view of just what he could accomplish as a lowly freshman legislator.
He approached it all with the mindset of a person who had lived all over the country and the world as a child and young man, transferring from city to city and from school to school before landing permanently in Chicago around 1990.
An excerpt from the story follows:

[Von Tonner]

Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Senate) in 1996 from the state's 13th District spanning the south-side Chicago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Side_%28Chicago%29) neighborhoods of Hyde Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park%2C_Chicago), South Shore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Shore%2C_Chicago), and Englewood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englewood%2C_Chicago).[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-26) In 2000, he made an unsuccessful Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives) seat held by four-term incumbent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incumbent) candidate Bobby Rush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Rush).[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-27) He was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998 and 2002, officially resigning in November 2004 following his election to the U.S. Senate.[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-28) As a state legislator, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption) and health care (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_reform) laws.[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-29) He sponsored a law enhancing tax credits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_credit) for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_reform), and promoted increased subsidies for childcare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childcare).[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-Scott20070730) Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling) by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-Scott20070730) During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, he won the endorsement of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_Order_of_Police), whose president credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States) reforms.[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-30) He was criticized by rival pro-choice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-choice) candidates in the Democratic primary and by his Republican pro-life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-life) opponent in the general election for a series of "present" or "no" votes on late-term abortion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion) and parental notification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minors_and_abortion) issues.[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-31)

[DeepIron]

Obama's Congressional Voting Record:
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490

BTW, NV means "No Vote"... Form your own opinion. I especially found his voting on the "Defence" issue very interesting.

[SUBMAN1]

Obama's Senate Years: Carefully crafting "the brand"

By Mike Dorning and Christi Parsons
A story we wrote for today's Chicago Tribune (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/chi-obama_senate_recordjun12,1,48733.story?coll=chi-news-hed&?track=sto-topstory)offers a portrait of Barack Obama at work in the Senate. It shows how he hewed closely to a strategic plan hammered out with advisers shortly after his arrival in Washington to nurture what they saw as his "brand:" an identity as a unifier and consensus-builder, an almost postpolitical leader.
The result is a record on issues that ranges from international weapons proliferation to hometown bridges and highways. He has accumulated some significant but not high-profile legislative achievements, while managing to avoid any severe political bruises and, ultimately, expanding his national following.
Obama's performance in the Senate reveals a politician cannily focused on long-term political goals. With a mix of ambition and caution, he temporarily set aside the high-minded rhetoric of a Democratic National Convention speech that launched him into the national spotlight in favor of a more realistic view of just what he could accomplish as a lowly freshman legislator.
He approached it all with the mindset of a person who had lived all over the country and the world as a child and young man, transferring from city to city and from school to school before landing permanently in Chicago around 1990.
An excerpt from the story follows:That exactly proves the point of the video - he hasn't done anything (at least not noteworthy)! He co-sponsered a couple things, and that's it.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Obama was elected to the Illinois State Senate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_Senate) in 1996 from the state's 13th District spanning the south-side Chicago (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Side_%28Chicago%29) neighborhoods of Hyde Park (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyde_Park%2C_Chicago), South Shore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Shore%2C_Chicago), and Englewood (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englewood%2C_Chicago).[32] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-26) In 2000, he made an unsuccessful Democratic primary run for the U.S. House of Representatives (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives) seat held by four-term incumbent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incumbent) candidate Bobby Rush (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Rush).[33] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-27) He was reelected to the Illinois Senate in 1998 and 2002, officially resigning in November 2004 following his election to the U.S. Senate.[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-28) As a state legislator, Obama gained bipartisan support for legislation reforming ethics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_corruption) and health care (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_reform) laws.[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-29) He sponsored a law enhancing tax credits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_credit) for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_reform), and promoted increased subsidies for childcare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childcare).[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-Scott20070730) Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling) by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-Scott20070730) During his 2004 general election campaign for U.S. Senate, he won the endorsement of the Illinois Fraternal Order of Police (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraternal_Order_of_Police), whose president credited Obama for his active engagement with police organizations in enacting death penalty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States) reforms.[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-30) He was criticized by rival pro-choice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-choice) candidates in the Democratic primary and by his Republican pro-life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-life) opponent in the general election for a series of "present" or "no" votes on late-term abortion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion) and parental notification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minors_and_abortion) issues.[38] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#_note-31)Let me re-phrase that - nothing noteworthy on a 'National Level'. Helping some farmer out in Il doesn't count in my book.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Obama's Congressional Voting Record:
http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490

BTW, NV means "No Vote"... Form your own opinion.It means he is not doing his job. :down:

-S

[Von Tonner]

Birthday Reminder

This week we celebrate a special birthday!
Monica Lewinsky turned 34. Can you believe it?
It seems like only yesterday she was crawling around the White House on her hands and knees and putting everything in her mouth.
They grow up so fast, don't they?

[DeepIron]

That exactly proves the point of the video - he hasn't done anything (at least not noteworthy)! He co-sponsered a couple things, and that's it.
Precisely. And this is the man who wants to bring CHANGE to the US? Sorry, I don't see it happening in Obama. :shifty:

[Von Tonner]

That exactly proves the point of the video - he hasn't done anything (at least not noteworthy)! He co-sponsered a couple things, and that's it. Precisely. And this is the man who wants to bring CHANGE to the US? Sorry, I don't see it happening in Obama. :shifty:

Well if he does win the presidency that alone is change and we are talking of HUGE change - this is not like the first catholic elected, this is a BLACK man leading the world. The dynamics are mind boggling. I would bet that there would not be a responsible government in the world who does not, on the night he is (if) elected does not call a meeting of their cabinet to plan ahead.

But to get back to the point, the question is not whether he has done anything "earth shattering" as a senator, but HOW does his tenure stack up against his adversary. That is the question.

[DeepIron]

That exactly proves the point of the video - he hasn't done anything (at least not noteworthy)! He co-sponsered a couple things, and that's it. Precisely. And this is the man who wants to bring CHANGE to the US? Sorry, I don't see it happening in Obama. :shifty:
Well if he does win the presidency that alone is change and we are talking of HUGE change - this is not like the first catholic elected, this is a BLACK man leading the world. The dynamics are mind boggling. I would bet that there would not be a responsible government in the world who does not, on the night he is (if) elected does not call a meeting of their cabinet to plan ahead.

But to get back to the point, the question is not whether he has done anything "earth shattering" as a senator, but HOW does his tenure stack up against his adversary. That is the question.
We can apply the logic to electing a woman as President. His tenure? The guy is a first term Senator, hardly tenured, and has not proven his ability to lead by any stretch of the imagination or voting record. He is a follower, as well as should be expected for someone new to the "Washington Grinder". Want to be re-elected? Don't do anything rash old son... (like introducing legislature inclined to instigate change!).

I consider Obama's campaign to be Ad captandum vulgus, an effort to appeal to the crowd, or mob, as they were known in ancient Rome. The US public is sick of war, health care issues and illegal immigration, to name but a few, and they want change. Obama promises exactly what the US public wants to hear. He is full of promises, as are most political candidates. I just consider his inexperience as a Senator as more of an indictment against him. No one "has his back" nor does he have the political "pull" to carry out his promises.

[Von Tonner]

We can apply the logic to electing a woman as President. His tenure? The guy is a first term Senator, hardly tenured, and has not proven his ability to lead by any stretch of the imagination or voting record. He is a follower, as well as should be expected for someone new to the "Washington Grinder". Want to be re-elected? Don't do anything rash old son... (like introducing legislature inclined to instigate change!).

I consider Obama's campaign to be Ad captandum vulgus, an effort to appeal to the crowd, or mob, as they were known in ancient Rome. The US public is sick of war, health care issues and illegal immigration, to name but a few, and they want change. Obama promises exactly what the US public wants to hear. He is full of promises, as are most political candidates. I just consider his inexperience as a Senator as more of an indictment against him. No one "has his back" nor does he have the political "pull" to carry out his promises.[/quote]

That is most interesting DeepIron 'No one has his back'. People lose sight that the guy (or woman) in the WH is surrounded by key advisors. They (the President) do not go into a meeting and unilaterally declare "We are going to invade Iraq". Who Obama surrounds himself if he wins the WH is an important question and will do much to define his presidency. And, depending who they are, allay fears as to his lack of experience.

I will say though, electing a woman as president will not have the same resonance as electing a black man. Why?, the First world has been there already. This will be the first time ever a black man has led a first world country - and the only super power standing.

[SUBMAN1]

That is most interesting DeepIron 'No one has his back'. People lose sight that the guy (or woman) in the WH is surrounded by key advisors. They (the President) do not go into a meeting and unilaterally declare "We are going to invade Iraq". Who Obama surrounds himself if he wins the WH is an important question and will do much to define his presidency. And, depending who they are, allay fears as to his lack of experience.

I will say though, electing a woman as president will not have the same resonance as electing a black man. Why?, the First world has been there already. This will be the first time ever a black man has led a first world country - and the only super power standing.A big whop-de-do. Electing a president because of his color or race IS A REALLY BAD IDEA!!!! How about electing him based on his political background and standing? That is a much better one. A novel concept!

I'm getting more scared at our population the more I read.

-S

[DeepIron]

That is most interesting DeepIron 'No one has his back'. People lose sight that the guy (or woman) in the WH is surrounded by key advisors. They (the President) do not go into a meeting and unilaterally declare "We are going to invade Iraq". Who Obama surrounds himself if he wins the WH is an important question and will do much to define his presidency. And, depending who they are, allay fears as to his lack of experience.
I think, an unfortunate side-effect as it were, of being a "successful" (leaving the interpretation of successful open) politician, is that he or she, makes concessions and demands based somewhat on "cronyism". How do you know who your friends, and adversaries for that matter, are? You encounter them. You work with them. You support or oppose them. You make deals and garner IOUs. In short, you learn about those with which you will work and this not something done or learned in Washington DC in less than one term as a Senator! Yes, the President certainly has he/her advisors, but that is an after-effect of the election. And who would he choose for his cabinet and advisors? Let alone a Vice-President?

Who, then, does Obama have "in his corner". Kennedy has endored him, so what. Ted Kennedy is an anachronism that carries far more "sentimental" value than political weight. Oprah? Probably more important than Kennedy... :lol: The Governor of Washington State? Who cares? Ben Nelson, Senator from Nebraska. When was the lst time you heard Nebraska mentioned prominently in a political venue? Continuum ad naseum...

In short, I simply don't beleive Obama has "paid his dues" nor does he know "his butt from a hole in the ground" politically. Perhaps after a few more terms, if/when the voters of his own constituency deem him successful enough to represent THEM, would I start to consider his rhetoric and probability for success.

As for a woman, I find the synergy that could exist between Hilliary Clinton, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and the other female members of the House and Senate to be more intriguing. Though I'm not in any way ready to support any presidential hopeful quite yet.

[Elder-Pirate]

"CHANGE" Yeah if he is elected I guarantee there will be a "change". There's going to be an awful lot of people both sides of the fence that will be very disappointed if this does happen. :damn: :damn:

[StarFox]

I will say though, electing a woman as president will not have the same resonance as electing a black man. Why?, the First world has been there already. This will be the first time ever a black man has led a first world country - and the only super power standing.
I believe it will be, no matter who wins the Primary, a Very hard concept for many American's. The first time is always a *****, plain and simple. I personaly believe that anyone can be President, as long as they follow the qualifications:


Age and Citizenship requirements - US Constitution, Article II, Section 1
No person except a natural born citizen (http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html), or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States.

Term limit amendment - US Constitution, Amendment XXII, Section 1 – ratified February 27, 1951
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.







Does it say anywhere about Political Experience? No, now that does not mean Bubba from some unknown american backcrounty should be elected to run, But Obama is not stupid, He has some Idea of what he is doing, and as it was stated farther up the thread, who surronds him is just as important. I say give the man a chance. And if he turns out to be a complete load of crap, its only 4 years. I suffered Bush for 7 years now, and it cant possiably be worse then that.

[SUBMAN1]

... I suffered Bush for 7 years now, and it cant possiably be worse then that.You so have no idea, that it is funny. Bush has been very mild to what could be possible with a pres of the US of A.

One very scary statement.

-S

[StarFox]

... I suffered Bush for 7 years now, and it cant possiably be worse then that.You so have no idea, that it is funny. Bush has been very mild to what could be possible with a pres of the US of A.

One very scary statement.

-S

What, you think Obama would go out of his way to Destory the planet? Raise CO2 production (Bush in the first year repealed Laws against Carbon Monixide limits), Nuke anyone who objects him, issue Marshal Law, Lie about WMDs to start a War, then switch the reason from WMDs to Terrorism?

Honestly, I think people are scared of a Black Man from the South Side of Chicago. I owe part of my Youth to Chicago. From everything I have read, I trust him. I will do my best to hold by my word though, If McCain gets elected, that scares me more. I will high tail it to Canada, or Mexico. I cannot stand another 4 Years of this country being run by Rich guys doing nothing except helping their corprate friends.

[August]

[If McCain gets elected, that scares me more. I will high tail it to Canada, or Mexico. I cannot stand another 4 Years of this country being run by Rich guys doing nothing except helping their corprate friends.

So you'd go to MEXICO to get away from corruption? :lol:

[StarFox]

Im starting to become a fan of "Anywhere but here" when things continue to get worse

[Konovalov]

... I suffered Bush for 7 years now, and it cant possiably be worse then that.You so have no idea, that it is funny. Bush has been very mild to what could be possible with a pres of the US of A.

One very scary statement.

-S

Or one very scaremongering statement of pure speculation on your behalf. :lol: :lol:

[bradclark1]

He's got charisma and thats all he has.
He's a first term Senator. He knows NOTHING! He has a BIG idealistic streak, wants to "change things", and has done NOTHING!

Charisma and Oprah are all he has. And sadly, in this disaffected, TV addicted, "pretty boy wins all" society of ours, it'll be all he needs...:nope:
Maybe he'll pull out all stops and get Oprah for VP. On the serious side of things, if Obama is the nominee then McCain is a slam dunk for president.

[Tchocky]

I know that a Kos URL can be an immediate turn-off, but here's a fairly even-handed look at Hillary and Barack's legislative records. A good read.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807/36/458633

[Platapus]

On the serious side of things, if Obama is the nominee then McCain is a slam dunk for president.

Would that be the same type of "slam dunk" like Nukes in Iraq?

just askin ;)

[bradclark1]

On the serious side of things, if Obama is the nominee then McCain is a slam dunk for president.

Would that be the same type of "slam dunk" like Nukes in Iraq?

just askin ;)
Ask me in November.:)

[Stealth Hunter]

The fear I have of McCain is that he's said in the past that he would continue President Bush's political tactics, which is something that I'm instantly against. Look at everything the man's done to us: gotten us in a war, ruined our reputation with foreign countries, nosedived our economy, broken the housing market. It must end, NOW.

I think Obama would make a pretty good president. Maybe not the best, but I know he'd be better than that assclown we currently have in office.

[Stealth Hunter]

[If McCain gets elected, that scares me more. I will high tail it to Canada, or Mexico. I cannot stand another 4 Years of this country being run by Rich guys doing nothing except helping their corprate friends.

So you'd go to MEXICO to get away from corruption? :lol:

Makes a hell of a lotta sense, doesn't it?:rotfl: :roll:

Maybe Fox will get lucky enough to earn a job in a shoe factory... perhaps, if he's REALLY lucky, in a fruit factory!

[bookworm_020]

I told a student here at the college about the campaign Rep (he's into politics:eek:). He doesn't like Obama, so he laughed his head off!

I don't care to much who the U.S. votes for, beause we will all blame him/ her/ it in the end!:yep:

[baggygreen]

What, you think Obama would go out of his way to Destory the planet? Raise CO2 production (Bush in the first year repealed Laws against Carbon Monixide limits), Nuke anyone who objects him, issue Marshal Law, Lie about WMDs to start a War, then switch the reason from WMDs to Terrorism?

On this para i have to make a point i feel, as a poor uneducated outsider:cool:

Bush repealed the Carbon production limits in order to open up industry for more growth - always gonna be a trade-off between economic growth and environmental damage - part of our parasitic nature. I havent seen any nukes dropped yet, the first one i guarantee would never be by bush. Marshal Law, i believe in the aftermath of hurricane katrina? as for him 'lying' about wmds, well you either believe thats the case or not, n noone from eiher camp is gonna change their minds there. The switch however is imo justified, as it went from a legitimate (to some) war to a fight with islamic extremists (aka terrorists).

Could anyone else have handled things the way he has? maybe someone coulda done better, but he handled things pretty well imo. just think about who the alternative was....:dead:

[August]

gotten us in a war, ruined our reputation with foreign countries, nosedived our economy, broken the housing market.

You forgot howled at the moon, kicked your dog and turned your garbage cans over. :roll:

Care to explain how Bush broke the housing market for example?

[bradclark1]

Could anyone else have handled things the way he has? maybe someone coulda done better, but he handled things pretty well imo. just think about who the alternative was....:dead:
It doesn't matter who the alternative is/was. The same thing would have happened. Afghanistan would have been invaded. There was no alternative. The only question is would Iraq have happened? Who would of been SecDef? Would it have still been run from the White House? (in this case SecDef is considered White House).
Alternative realities don't happen though. You have to deal with whats dealt.

[baggygreen]

Thats just what im trying to get at brad - no matter who had been in charge, there woulda been a lot of choices made exactly the same, because there was no alternative that was acceptable. Everyone whinges about him, but he's done exactly what most other people in his situation would've as well.

[bradclark1]

I believe the whines are over Iraq not Afghanistan.

[StarFox]

Yes, afganastan would still have been invaded. thats because we had a real reason to Invade, the fact that we some how let Osama slip away really pisses me off. The man who helped create the worst terrorist attack in history deserves to be punished....but some how we got side tracked by Saddam's "Invisible WMD's" and the fight in Afganastan went from front page news to a small blurb when some one gets killed

come to think of it, thats just about all that the major networks report, when people get killed

[Stealth Hunter]

gotten us in a war, ruined our reputation with foreign countries, nosedived our economy, broken the housing market.

You forgot howled at the moon, kicked your dog and turned your garbage cans over. :roll:

Care to explain how Bush broke the housing market for example?

Cause and effect.

In my opinion, he wasn't hard enough on the debtors in the country. They're the ones who have run down the real estate market, although he didn't help. In fact, he spoke to Congress and asked them to help the debtors. You don't fix a deflating asset bubble by re-inflating it.

[August]

gotten us in a war, ruined our reputation with foreign countries, nosedived our economy, broken the housing market.
You forgot howled at the moon, kicked your dog and turned your garbage cans over. :roll:

Care to explain how Bush broke the housing market for example?
Cause and effect.

In my opinion, he wasn't hard enough on the debtors in the country. They're the ones who have run down the real estate market, although he didn't help. In fact, he spoke to Congress and asked them to help the debtors. You don't fix a deflating asset bubble by re-inflating it.

You're sidestepping the question. Not fixing something that's already broken is not the same thing as breaking it in the first place.