UK taking the initiative towards migration?

[Kapitan_Phillips]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7253933.stm

Immigrants who want to become British and settle permanently in the UK will need to pass more tests to "prove their worth" to the country under new plans.

Key word here is plans. If this is instated, its a matter of time before some bleeding heart fool starts crying about human rights.

I cant believe we're only just proposing what others have been doing for years. :shifty:

[STEED]

Q. What benefits you bring to the UK?
A. None I want to rob you blind and crap on you and be locked up in one of your nice prisons before you bribe me with a large sum of money to go home.

Q. What contribution you will make to the UK?
A. None, I want to sponge off your welfare system.

Q. What brings you the UK?
A. Your laws are soft as cow muck and I will exploit you and your way of life and ship the money home.


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[Steel_Tomb]

The sad thing is, Steed has nailed it in that post :nope:. What's the UK come to! Unfortunately, this is a problem of the Governments own making. I believe in the last election the Tories proposed changing the benefits system so that people couldn't abuse it the way that they currently do, what did Labour do? "Vote for the nasty Tories and loose your benefits, vote for us and keep them" (In a nutshell), out with Labour! Couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery! :down:

[caspofungin]

"This is a country of liberty and tolerance, opportunity and diversity. These values are reinforced by the expectation that all who live here should learn our language, play by the rules, obey the law and contribute to the economy."

I don't see why it should be just immigrants that have to take these tests. Should hold everyone up to the same standards -- UK, EU, and immigrants from elsewhere. Why should someone from abroad have to "demonstrate a commitment to our shared values and a willingness to contribute to our community" when the country is already full of slackers and wasters?

kick 'em all out. "you don't have to go home, but you can't stay here."

[Jimbuna]

Personally speaking. I've always subscribed to the system the Australians use........you have to have a talent or skill in short supply or very much in demand over there or be self sufficient eg: pensioners need to be able to live on their own countries pension provision.
In short, you have to be able to put something into the pot, not arrive and be a drain/burdon on their system.

[XabbaRus]

These plans ARE gimmicks though. My wife just recieved her letter telling her she was successful in applying for UK citizenship and a letter will be sent with the date for saying the oath.

Things is it is though she has no problems with the language criteria (not a problem as she speaks fluent English) what pisses her off is that the strain on local services isn't from immigrants from non-EU countries but the eastern-europeans who have come here, even though they have to be here 12 months before they get benefits, they are supposed to pay for medical etc but don't. Also the cost is daft and as she was told by someone at the immigration directorate the high cost for apply for citizenship and indefinite leave is to pay for the court cases for failed asylum seekers.

They should have a points system and spouses of UK nationals should maybe have it a little easier if not cheaper provided they can pass the language test or have proof IE degree from uni etc. However that shouldn't apply to UK people who go to their "home" country for an arranged marriage to bring a wife back. That should be stamped on.

It is a mess I agree....long live the revolution.

[baggygreen]

Personally speaking. I've always subscribed to the system the Australians use........you have to have a talent or skill in short supply or very much in demand over there or be self sufficient eg: pensioners need to be able to live on their own countries pension provision.
In short, you have to be able to put something into the pot, not arrive and be a drain/burdon on their system.Course, noone here seems to like that system, its racist and harsh on the poor immigrants...

[STEED]

All this comes down to is this, our labour government looking big and seen doing something which means another half ass botch job. Stop sitting there taking this BS from them at Westminster. People we have been betrayed by them as they are in the process in handing more of our keys to the EU.

Bring on the revolution people in Europe, smash that filthy black beast the EU Parliament a drive your sword though it's filthy vile corrupt heart.

[The WosMan]

I have a few friends over in England and they all feel the way you guys do on this issue. One guy who plays in my battlefield 1942 clan is from Bath and he has taught me a lot of good english cursing I didn't pick up on when I attended college in London for a few months. I keep telling him that you guys need to resurrect the old Great Britain and give those tossers a what-for. For what it's worth, I hear you guys and support you. You don't need all these pro-sharia law muslims running around trying to make your great nation look like some Islamic calaphate from the middle east.

I hope my country never adopts the free healthcare model or we will have even more problems with immigration.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I have a few friends over in England and they all feel the way you guys do on this issue. One guy who plays in my battlefield 1942 clan is from Bath and he has taught me a lot of good english cursing I didn't pick up on when I attended college in London for a few months. I keep telling him that you guys need to resurrect the old Great Britain and give those tossers a what-for. For what it's worth, I hear you guys and support you. You don't need all these pro-sharia law muslims running around trying to make your great nation look like some Islamic calaphate from the middle east.

I hope my country never adopts the free healthcare model or we will have even more problems with immigration.

Well said, WosMan. :up::up:

[bookworm_020]

Personally speaking. I've always subscribed to the system the Australians use........you have to have a talent or skill in short supply or very much in demand over there or be self sufficient eg: pensioners need to be able to live on their own countries pension provision.
In short, you have to be able to put something into the pot, not arrive and be a drain/burdon on their system.

Except when you come from the U.K. you can't relie on the pension you earned back home. When you arrive in a commonwealth country (Australia, New Zealand, Canada....) they stop indexing your pension. In years gone buy this was picked up by the host country. Australia a few years back said no more. After a certain date they didn't cover any new arrivals. I learnt about this when my sisters parents in law started to prepare to move to Australia. If you go to any other country, like the U.S.A., you get your pension indexed for the remainder of your life. Hardly fair!:stare:

With the system we use here, it does have some big loop holes, in particlar the 457 visa, which has been abud for some short term stayers. The system isn't perfect but seems to be working ok. There have been record numbers moving to Australia, just ask New Zealand!!!:D

[caspofungin]

the strain on local services isn't from immigrants from non-EU countries but the eastern-europeans who have come here, even though they have to be here 12 months before they get benefits, they are supposed to pay for medical etc but don't

one of my mates from college is a GP in east london -- he says he spends a pretty significant part of his day dealing w/ eu nationals from eastern europe who get upset that he won't write a sick note for a cold, he wont give them a prescription for calpol or other over-the-counter meds (so they'll have to pay), who want disability notes so they can claim... the list goes on and on. this whole eu open borders deal is a bit of a 1 way street -- how many uk citizens have emigrated to romania or bulgaria?

You don't need all these pro-sharia law muslims running around trying to make your great nation look like some Islamic calaphate from the middle east

it's a little more complicated than that, but i agree w/ the point -- you've moved to the uk from some 3rd world ****hole, and then part of that population wants to bring the very things that are holding the homeland back here with them?

personally, it's a subject that isn't straightforward -- i was born here to parents who came here from abroad (and yes, they had uni degrees, spoke english, had jobs, never claimed benefits, paid their taxes) -- so i can understand the desire to move to a country where opportunities for improving your life are available. but at the same time, there have to be some limits or it gets worse for everyone.

having said all that, i think the biggest draws on uk benefits/services are made by uk citizens. let's face it, this country is no longer an economic or industrial powerhouse, and a pretty significant proportion of our fellow citizens don't contribute anything at all.

[The WosMan]

I understand the need for people to feel that they want to better themselves. It is human nature to have this drive. The problem I see just from reading about it is a majority of the immigration problem in the UK are radical muslims that settle there and instead of assimilating into western society and your culture they want your culture to change and bow to their will. We have the same problem in our nation with illegal immigration but most of those people don't have the sinister goals that the islamofacists do.

They have all but ruined France and if the government does something they don't like the riot and cause problems. There should be a zero tolerance policy for that behavior. They should be arrested and shipped out. If they take it further then you know where it has to go unfortunately.

[Jimbuna]

Sooooo.....anyone up for emigrating to Iraq http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/621/thinkbigsw1.gif http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3060/gigglebigtb9.gif

[Jimbuna]

Come on now.....you gotta be quick, you don't want to be killed in the rush. :lol:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Do we get guns, beer and cowboy hats?

[XabbaRus]

The free healthcare model isn't the problem its the idiots in Westminster.

I hate myself for it but I am getting more prejudiced as time goes by.

[Jimbuna]

Do we get guns, beer and cowboy hats?

As much as you can carry/drink/wear :lol:

[Captain Nemo]

The sad thing is, Steed has nailed it in that post :nope:. What's the UK come to! Unfortunately, this is a problem of the Governments own making. I believe in the last election the Tories proposed changing the benefits system so that people couldn't abuse it the way that they currently do, what did Labour do? "Vote for the nasty Tories and loose your benefits, vote for us and keep them" (In a nutshell), out with Labour! Couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery! :down:

Don't believe what the Tories say on immigration either. Before Maggie Thatcher got in in 1979 she was spouting on about being tough on immigration but nothing changed. The only senior poitician I recall speaking with conviction on immigration was Enoch Powell (Conservative) with his "Rivers of Blood" speech in 1968. Edward Heath subsequently sacked him from the Tory shadow cabinet as a result for interpreting his speech as 'racialist'. He left the Conservative Party in 1974. So if you think the Tories will be any better on immigration forget it. Sadly, the only party today that openly says that they will tackle immigration head on is the BNP. Vote for them if you dare!

Nemo

[Q3ark]

Sadly, the only party today that openly says that they will tackle immigration head on is the BNP. Vote for them if you dare!

Nemo

As much as I am unimpressed with the way things are going on over here at the moment, there is no way on god's green earth I would ever consider voting for the BNP. Thay are a bunch of racist fascist nutters that would ruin this country. Thay remind me of the Nazi party and from what I hav read in the papers over the years their support is growing:nope:

[Captain Nemo]

Sadly, the only party today that openly says that they will tackle immigration head on is the BNP. Vote for them if you dare!

Nemo

As much as I am unimpressed with the way things are going on over here at the moment, there is no way on god's green earth I would ever consider voting for the BNP. Thay are a bunch of racist fascist nutters that would ruin this country. Thay remind me of the Nazi party and from what I hav read in the papers over the years their support is growing:nope:

Agreed. And you are right about the BNP's support growing. As I have said before on these forums, in my local Council 2 out of the 3 councillors that represent my ward are BNP. A sign of things to come perhaps.

Nemo

[Jimbuna]

Sadly, the only party today that openly says that they will tackle immigration head on is the BNP. Vote for them if you dare!

Nemo

As much as I am unimpressed with the way things are going on over here at the moment, there is no way on god's green earth I would ever consider voting for the BNP. Thay are a bunch of racist fascist nutters that would ruin this country. Thay remind me of the Nazi party and from what I hav read in the papers over the years their support is growing:nope:

Most definitely......bad juju :nope: