Obama wins Wisconsin

[bookworm_020]

The fact that he one isn't much of a surprise, but the fact that the people who voted for him are simlar in background to Ohio would be giving nightmares to Clinton.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/us-election/obama-makes-it-nine-on-the-trot/2008/02/20/1203467151845.html

[StarFox]

I looks like Obama will be running

Im happy myself, my mom said she was going to cry though because she want Clinton

I guess myself, I dont really care if Obama or Clinton gets elected, as long as its one of those two.

no matter what, we stand a chance of making history, either the first Black President, or the first Female President. and if they dont win (in which case I will be moving to Canada) at least they had a damn good chance, which no one has had before

No more rich white men as president!!

[Sea Demon]

and if they dont win (in which case I will be moving to Canada)


You know we're going to hold you to that. ;):-j

[sonar732]

No more rich white men as president!!

And you don't think Obama and Hilary are well off? You definately need to wake up to politics!:know:

[StarFox]

No i understand they are pretty well off, but you would think that after 232 years there would be some difference in who is Elected...to date the only one I can think of is Kennedy, who was a Roman Catholic. Hardly much of a difference in my opinion


and if they dont win (in which case I will be moving to Canada)

You know we're going to hold you to that. ;):-j

Of corus that does assume I can afford it, but believe me, I'm damn well going to try!

[AVGWarhawk]

I looks like Obama will be running

Im happy myself, my mom said she was going to cry though because she want Clinton

I guess myself, I dont really care if Obama or Clinton gets elected, as long as its one of those two.

no matter what, we stand a chance of making history, either the first Black President, or the first Female President. and if they dont win (in which case I will be moving to Canada) at least they had a damn good chance, which no one has had before

No more rich white men as president!!

It is not over yet. I foresee Obama getting the nomination. I foresee McCain getting his. I foresee old age and treachery winning. Obama needs more experience. Really, what has he done as a Senator? This question befuddled Obama's campaign manager on national news.:shifty:

[nikimcbee]

I looks like Obama will be running

Im happy myself, my mom said she was going to cry though because she want Clinton

I guess myself, I dont really care if Obama or Clinton gets elected, as long as its one of those two.

no matter what, we stand a chance of making history, either the first Black President, or the first Female President. and if they dont win (in which case I will be moving to Canada) at least they had a damn good chance, which no one has had before

No more rich white men as president!!



It is not over yet. I foresee Obama getting the nomination. I foresee McCain getting his. I foresee old age and treachery winning. Obama needs more experience. Really, what has he done as a Senator? This question befuddled Obama's campaign manager on national news.:shifty:

I hear cuba has some openings:rotfl:

I heard the obama quote.:rotfl: Name one thing either of them has accomplished:up:

[ReallyDedPoet]

I foresee old age and treachery winning.
As a Canadian looking in from the outside I sure the hell hope not. I am also tired of this happening here in Canada and indeed in my home province.


RDP

[AVGWarhawk]

I foresee old age and treachery winning.
As a Canadian looking in from the outside I sure the hell hope not. I am tired of this happening here in Canada and indeed in my home province.


RDP

The thing here RDP, we do not need a "learn on the job" candidate. This is what we will get with Obama. Hillary might know some more than Obama but I would say she knows much less then McCain. I think once the real questions are put to Obama and McCain at a debate, we will find out who has their act together. I betting on McCain.

[ReallyDedPoet]

I foresee old age and treachery winning.
As a Canadian looking in from the outside I sure the hell hope not. I am tired of this happening here in Canada and indeed in my home province.


RDP
The thing here RDP, we do not need a "learn on the job" candidate. This is what we will get with Obama. Hillary might know some more than Obama but I would say she knows much less then McCain. I think once the real questions are put to Obama and McCain at a debate, we will find out who has their act together. I betting on McCain.

It will be interesting AVG :roll: , both will need to play to their strengths. I think also there is the change factor, there seems to be considerable momentum regarding this in the US.

Finally to a great extent, governments bring themselves down, whoever is in opposition being the direct benefactor in the end. McCain may find himself being in the wrong place at the wrong time, no matter what, he will carry his predecessor's baggage into the election campaign. So to an extent this counters Obama's inexperience.

Grab your popcorn and pull up that footstool, it is going to be quite the show from here on in.


RDP

[AVGWarhawk]

Popcorn at the ready. :D

[kiwi_2005]

Hey is Obama a muslim i was just told he is not muslim hes an Episcopalian - Church of England or Anglican?

[geetrue]

Have you ever judged someone in error? I have many, many times.

I'm getting to a point in my life that I don't want to continue to make these judgemental errors.

So I have resorted to discernment instead, at least that's what I'm trying to tell myself.

Take Mrs Obama for example ... the next time you see her picture, cover her face up to her eyes, now move your hand to cover just one side of her face, view both sides ... use freeze frame if you can.

View her from all angles cover eyes and just view the mouth, etc.

Now what do you see?

This is a trick I learned back in the 60's watching an old FBI tv show lol ...
no kidding they use it to discern criminals ...

Now what did you see?

I see something big stuck in her forehead ... I discern it as evil.

She is easier to read than her husband ... He is one slick polictcian.

I've never seen anyone like him.

http://www.freakingnews.com/pictures/26000/Barack-Obama--26290.jpg

[sonar732]

Hey is Obama a muslim i was just told he is not muslim hes an Episcopalian - Church of England or Anglican?

Thing is that if you go to a church once, or a "holiday" church goer, you can consider yourself that religion sadly enough.:hmm::roll:

[fatty]

Now what did you see?

I see something big stuck in her forehead ... I discern it as evil.

She is easier to read than her husband ... He is one slick polictcian.

I've never seen anyone like him.

I see a black woman's forehead. Did the bible code tell you something the rest of us don't know? :doh:

[bookworm_020]

Here in Australia, we created some history. We got ris of a Prime minster when the country was going well economicaly, with low unemployment and politics nice and stable!:doh:

Don't think there will be too muh change with the new government (in the general running), but most people wanted the change because they were tired with the old government, and felt they were running on auto pilot.

I think Obama will get the nod to run. To win the big one, he just needs to show he can do the job and be able to sell himself, which he seems able to do.

[baggygreen]

The thing here RDP, we do not need a "learn on the job" candidate. This is what we will get with Obama. Hillary might know some more than Obama but I would say she knows much less then McCain. I think once the real questions are put to Obama and McCain at a debate, we will find out who has their act together. I betting on McCain.
It will be interesting AVG :roll: , both will need to play to their strengths. I think also there is the change factor, there seems to be considerable momentum regarding this in the US.

Well, take a look down under and hope that wiser heads prevail than change for change's sake...

our PM has been in the job for 3 months, he's been able to do anything for 2 weeks, and he's already divided the nation completely. Not to mention opened us up to billions of dollars of potential compo claims...

[XabbaRus]

I think Clinto could still clinch it. I just don't trust Obama, less than Hillary, at least with her you know what you're getting.

Anyway if either get in say bye bye to your nice shiny F-22s and I think the UK better start shopping for an F-35 standin...**** I forgot, its the Harrier.

[The WosMan]

Obama is terrible. He goes up and gives a speech and talks in a circle about absolutely nothing and everyone thinks it is the word of the Lord. It bothers me how the guy has a cult-like following. He has not really done much of anything in the Senate and the bills he has sponsored are pure crap. The most recent one would pledge 847,000,000,000 dollars of our money to foreign tin horn dictators to be doled out and controlled by the UN. That's not even legal for our government to do as written in the Constitution.

Summed up here is all he sounds like http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/New/obamaspot.asx

The reason Hillary is losing I think has a lot to do with Bill. Their playing "good cop bad cop" hurt her in a lot of ways and the things he said backfired on them. I also think Hillary turns off a lot of male voters, they see her as their ex-wife. The only reason she is running is because she thinks it is owed to her for putting up with her cheating husband for so many years. I get some measure of enjoyment watching it come crashing down on her after she spent so much time and resources running for office. I felt the same way about Algore.

Now Obama better get control of his wife and her big mouth because I see her being a problem for him. She fired her first shot into the foot the other day when she said that the only time she has ever been proud of her country in her entire life is now when her husband is running for president. I would say that has some racist connotations to it. Obviously she must not be proud of the progress we have made as a nation, the fact that she comes from an affluent family, was able to get an ivy league education, have a successful career as a hospital administrator where both her and her husband earn incomes much higher than the average american. She must not be proud of her country and how it came together to help the tsunami victims, help the 9/11 victims, fire and police and civilians who went to ground zero and cleaned the place up putting their personal welfare and health in harm's way. No ma'am, that is nothing to be proud of.

I think it is when people make comments like this it shows their inner thoughts and what kind of people they really are. There is no way in hell we should let these jokes near the WH.

[baggygreen]

Wosman, and everyone else, i've said before i'll say it again obama is the US's Kevin Rudd, a man who runs around in circles and doesnt know what his own policy is because it changes to suit whoever is asking him. It'll be to your detriment if the man is ultimately elected president.

[The WosMan]

Well I said it and have been saying it. The problem is there are too many stupid voters in this country that don't see it.

[bookworm_020]

Obama takes his home state, not that it's much of a surprise;)

http://news.smh.com.au/clinton-clings-on-after-latest-obama-rout/20080221-1tgj.html

[JSLTIGER]

To be honest, even though I'm a registered Democrat, both of these candidates scare the living hell out of me. Obama has no experience and while he's certainly an excellent speaker, much of what he says lacks substance behind it. His advisors are also clearly lacking in experience, and I don't much like their position on many of the issues, especially those regarding the Middle East.

At the same time, while Hillary is not as good an orator, her speeches do have substance. The problem is that the substance that's in them is scary...very, very scary. The health care plan that she's putting forward is absolutely crazy. There's no way to pay for it for everyone, and IMHO, the government should not be making health insurance, of all things, mandatory. Socialized medicine will not work in a country this large, especially given the inability of Americans to wait for anything, least of all doctors.

That leaves McCain...and while I don't agree with a lot of his positions either, I don't think that they'll destroy the country.

[StarFox]

Health care should be available to everyone. I myself am Diabetic, I just lost my dental insurance this past year, right after I had my teeth pulled.

I lose my medical insurance in just over 5 years, when I turn 25. The only hope I have is that by that time, I can get a decent enough College degree and make enough money to cover the cost

so telling that the Country should not try and have national health care pisses me off. A single bottle of Insuln costs over $80. That lasts about a month. A Bottle of Insuln that I no longer take, NPH, costs almost $400 per bottle That last about a month as well.

You think that I should have to pay for that myself just because I cannot afford health care.

[baggygreen]

As far as health care goes, well the US should look at a system similar to Australia - that one works, sure we pay some for it, but its not an extravagent amount and it works well.

[The WosMan]

Health care should be available to everyone. I myself am Diabetic, I just lost my dental insurance this past year, right after I had my teeth pulled.

I lose my medical insurance in just over 5 years, when I turn 25. The only hope I have is that by that time, I can get a decent enough College degree and make enough money to cover the cost

so telling that the Country should not try and have national health care pisses me off. A single bottle of Insuln costs over $80. That lasts about a month. A Bottle of Insuln that I no longer take, NPH, costs almost $400 per bottle That last about a month as well.

You think that I should have to pay for that myself just because I cannot afford health care.

So what you are saying is I should not only provide for myself and family through my hard work and determination but also for you and everyone else that has a sickness? I got enough of my own problems without the government taking more of my tax money to throw at other's problems. My life wasn't always easy but I have done fairly well for myself through hard work, I have a decent employer, and I will be damned if Hillary or Obama try to take that away from me.

[StarFox]

Yes I do believe your taxes, and my taxes should aid those in need of help

I am lucky to have a family with decent health care, if we did not, I would not be typing this, I would have been dead for over 6 years. I was very very close to death when I finnaly got to the hospital, my blood Sugar was over 1100. Most diabetics come in around 500-600 max when they are diagnosed, in fact many of the other diabetecs I know were amazed that how high I was, and how lucky I am to still be alive

My point is, when I turn 25, and I lose my moms insurance, if I do not have a good enough job to either buy insurance myself, of have an employer with insurance that can cover the immense cost (Which really limits me to high paying jobs, any company that starts pay at $7 an hour would not conver 1/10th of my medical expenses) I will have two choices. Either pay every penny I have for my insuln other supplies, or die trying to pay

and I'm not exadgerating, 70 years ago, anyone with type I diabetes just died when they got it. The first insuln that could help prevent that gloom case came around when scientests were able to use insuln from pigs to try to bring the human system back to normal, this was back in the 60's if I remember correctly. Of course, without knowing what their blood sugar was, it was hit and miss. the first artifical insuln did not come around until the 1980's, and today, not much has changed. I still have to take insuln, although more modern pumps like mine have replaced needles for some people lucky enough to pay for them. I have to poke my fingers 10 times a day roughly.

You do not seem to grasp both how deadly and expensive

but if you do not believe that people should have medical care, fine, it will be a luxery for all american, and those who cannot afford it are just screwed. Just remember, without care, quite a few people are pretty much either condemmed to be broke to pay their medical bills, or condemmed to death.

[bookworm_020]

The Australian health system isn't as perfect as it should be. For many years free needles were given to drug addicts to reduce the spread of AIDS and Hep B and C. They used them once and then threw them away, without any thought of others who maybe stuck with them.:nope:

Diabetecs had to pay for their needles, despite the fact they were more carful with the needles than some health professionals!:stare: It was only corrected a couple of years ago after many years of lobbying state and federal government.

[mrbeast]

Yes I do believe your taxes, and my taxes should aid those in need of help

I am lucky to have a family with decent health care, if we did not, I would not be typing this, I would have been dead for over 6 years. I was very very close to death when I finnaly got to the hospital, my blood Sugar was over 1100. Most diabetics come in around 500-600 max when they are diagnosed, in fact many of the other diabetecs I know were amazed that how high I was, and how lucky I am to still be alive

My point is, when I turn 25, and I lose my moms insurance, if I do not have a good enough job to either buy insurance myself, of have an employer with insurance that can cover the immense cost (Which really limits me to high paying jobs, any company that starts pay at $7 an hour would not conver 1/10th of my medical expenses) I will have two choices. Either pay every penny I have for my insuln other supplies, or die trying to pay

and I'm not exadgerating, 70 years ago, anyone with type I diabetes just died when they got it. The first insuln that could help prevent that gloom case came around when scientests were able to use insuln from pigs to try to bring the human system back to normal, this was back in the 60's if I remember correctly. Of course, without knowing what their blood sugar was, it was hit and miss. the first artifical insuln did not come around until the 1980's, and today, not much has changed. I still have to take insuln, although more modern pumps like mine have replaced needles for some people lucky enough to pay for them. I have to poke my fingers 10 times a day roughly.

You do not seem to grasp both how deadly and expensive

but if you do not believe that people should have medical care, fine, it will be a luxery for all american, and those who cannot afford it are just screwed. Just remember, without care, quite a few people are pretty much either condemmed to be broke to pay their medical bills, or condemmed to death.

Won't you qualify for 'Medicare' or whatever its called?

[Boris]

Yes I do believe your taxes, and my taxes should aid those in need of help

I am lucky to have a family with decent health care, if we did not, I would not be typing this, I would have been dead for over 6 years. I was very very close to death when I finnaly got to the hospital, my blood Sugar was over 1100. Most diabetics come in around 500-600 max when they are diagnosed, in fact many of the other diabetecs I know were amazed that how high I was, and how lucky I am to still be alive

My point is, when I turn 25, and I lose my moms insurance, if I do not have a good enough job to either buy insurance myself, of have an employer with insurance that can cover the immense cost (Which really limits me to high paying jobs, any company that starts pay at $7 an hour would not conver 1/10th of my medical expenses) I will have two choices. Either pay every penny I have for my insuln other supplies, or die trying to pay

and I'm not exadgerating, 70 years ago, anyone with type I diabetes just died when they got it. The first insuln that could help prevent that gloom case came around when scientests were able to use insuln from pigs to try to bring the human system back to normal, this was back in the 60's if I remember correctly. Of course, without knowing what their blood sugar was, it was hit and miss. the first artifical insuln did not come around until the 1980's, and today, not much has changed. I still have to take insuln, although more modern pumps like mine have replaced needles for some people lucky enough to pay for them. I have to poke my fingers 10 times a day roughly.

You do not seem to grasp both how deadly and expensive

but if you do not believe that people should have medical care, fine, it will be a luxery for all american, and those who cannot afford it are just screwed. Just remember, without care, quite a few people are pretty much either condemmed to be broke to pay their medical bills, or condemmed to death.
Won't you qualify for 'Medicare' or whatever its called?

Sure, if he lives in Australia

[mrbeast]

Yes I do believe your taxes, and my taxes should aid those in need of help

I am lucky to have a family with decent health care, if we did not, I would not be typing this, I would have been dead for over 6 years. I was very very close to death when I finnaly got to the hospital, my blood Sugar was over 1100. Most diabetics come in around 500-600 max when they are diagnosed, in fact many of the other diabetecs I know were amazed that how high I was, and how lucky I am to still be alive

My point is, when I turn 25, and I lose my moms insurance, if I do not have a good enough job to either buy insurance myself, of have an employer with insurance that can cover the immense cost (Which really limits me to high paying jobs, any company that starts pay at $7 an hour would not conver 1/10th of my medical expenses) I will have two choices. Either pay every penny I have for my insuln other supplies, or die trying to pay

and I'm not exadgerating, 70 years ago, anyone with type I diabetes just died when they got it. The first insuln that could help prevent that gloom case came around when scientests were able to use insuln from pigs to try to bring the human system back to normal, this was back in the 60's if I remember correctly. Of course, without knowing what their blood sugar was, it was hit and miss. the first artifical insuln did not come around until the 1980's, and today, not much has changed. I still have to take insuln, although more modern pumps like mine have replaced needles for some people lucky enough to pay for them. I have to poke my fingers 10 times a day roughly.

You do not seem to grasp both how deadly and expensive

but if you do not believe that people should have medical care, fine, it will be a luxery for all american, and those who cannot afford it are just screwed. Just remember, without care, quite a few people are pretty much either condemmed to be broke to pay their medical bills, or condemmed to death.
Won't you qualify for 'Medicare' or whatever its called?

Sure, if he lives in Australia

Actually, maybe its 'Medicaid' I mean?:hmm:

[geetrue]

This is suppose to be about Obama, but he and Hillary are argueing about health care and who gets it and who doesn't, so I guess it fits.

I think the democrates are crazy for trusting a black man or a women to be their elected offical to run our country ...

I don't know why Obama is so popular.

Is it for him or against Hillary that they are rushing to his side?

I do know one thing ... they will say anything to get elected and then leave us in the dust.

Someone needs to invent software that can list all of the promises a politician makes before office and all of the promises
they deliver on after they take office.

They did a piece on President Bush saying the same slogan Obama is using about change ...
"Washington is ready for change" "It's all about change" Bush said it over and over too and he won.

Obama scares me ... if he is the party man ... I can only think of one reason why.

They thinbk he can beat McCain ... :yep:

[Konovalov]

I think the democrates are crazy for trusting a black man or a women to be their elected offical to run our country ...

Because? :-?

[StarFox]

I cannot stand another republican preseident

The country has gone so far downhill over the last 7 years. $611 Billion on a war in Iraq. and the reason for that war was a complete and total lie!

I hope the demacrats win. I think Rudy summed up my feelings towards the Republicans when he said "This country will not be safe unless the Republicans get elected" or something close to that

[Tchocky]

They did a piece on President Bush saying the same slogan Obama is using about change ...
"Washington is ready for change" "It's all about change" Bush said it over and over too and he won.
Well, post-Clinton != post-Bush.

Whether that's better or worse is up to you. Also, what Konovalov said.

[geetrue]

I think the democrates are crazy for trusting a black man or a women to be their elected offical to run our country ...

Because? :-?

Excuse me I should have said, "that black man" and I have to go right now, but no one cares what I think anyway.

Besides I did a google search on Obama one time and my name came up. :o

I'm staying clear of this whole mess till McCain can take over the helm. :yep:

[Konovalov]

I think the democrates are crazy for trusting a black man or a women to be their elected offical to run our country ...

Because? :-?

Excuse me I should have said, "that black man" and I have to go right now, but no one cares what I think anyway.

Ah, I see. And I guess you should have also said "that woman" or even better "that white woman". :hmm:

[geetrue]

I think the democrates are crazy for trusting a black man or a women to be their elected offical to run our country ...

Because? :-?

Excuse me I should have said, "that black man" and I have to go right now, but no one cares what I think anyway.

Ah, I see. And I guess you should have also said "that woman" or even better "that white woman". :hmm:

Yes, I should have said, "that white woman" to keep from sounding more prejudice than I really am. By the way what has she done besides shake hands with all of the world's powerful leaders by her husbands side for eight years. T.D. Jakes a black television evangelist said,
"If God can bless Hillary ... He can bless you"

I love Secretary of State and she is a black woman ... but I can't win them all.

[Peto]

Health care should be available to everyone. I myself am Diabetic, I just lost my dental insurance this past year, right after I had my teeth pulled.

I lose my medical insurance in just over 5 years, when I turn 25. The only hope I have is that by that time, I can get a decent enough College degree and make enough money to cover the cost

so telling that the Country should not try and have national health care pisses me off. A single bottle of Insuln costs over $80. That lasts about a month. A Bottle of Insuln that I no longer take, NPH, costs almost $400 per bottle That last about a month as well.

You think that I should have to pay for that myself just because I cannot afford health care.

So what you are saying is I should not only provide for myself and family through my hard work and determination but also for you and everyone else that has a sickness? I got enough of my own problems without the government taking more of my tax money to throw at other's problems. My life wasn't always easy but I have done fairly well for myself through hard work, I have a decent employer, and I will be damned if Hillary or Obama try to take that away from me.

Health Care is a HUGE FUBAR. I want to see affordable care for everyone. When I got sick lasted over 2 years (my insurance was raised and a HUGE deductilbe was added.) It was pointedly pbvious--I was too expensive for the insurance company to care about so I was driven out. I tried but had no legal recourse (ie--couldn't afford it). So I can relate to StarFox.

I can also relate to (and agree with) WosMan. I do Not want other's to suffer financialy to help me out. If you've never met me, I don't expect you to shell out a bunch of cash to help me. (But if you'd like to, I'll provide a PO Box ;)). The thing that is broken IMO, is Insurance Companies on the Take. They get money from huge policies that Doctor's Must have, then turn away people who have been paying them for coverage for years when they get sick. Fixing these problems are the 1st and--IMHO--best step toward Health Care Reform.

We, as a country, can't allow ourselves to be bankrupted by insurance companies sitting in the middle reaping the rewards.

[AVGWarhawk]

Peto is right. Health care is way out of control. I went to see a urologist last year. Just to sit down and say hello cost me $373.00. :o I had one test done it cost $10.00. :o. Last year I was the only one to see a doctor. Total out of pocket when done with this urologist, $1800.00. He prescribed $200.00 worth of pills. That was 30 pills or $6.66 for one pill. Thankfully my wife and two kids did not need to go to the doctors. Any doctor visit has the potential to put you out of your house. The cost out of pocket is that high. Where does a doctor justify $373.00 for less then 10 minutes in his office?

[August]

The minor heart attack i had last summer cost $74,000 to repair. Insurance paid $73,000 of that. No way could i have paid for that myself.

[StarFox]

I think the democrates are crazy for trusting a black man or a women to be their elected offical to run our country ...
Because? :-?

HEY NOW!!!! I am an African American, I take offense to that comment!

Aiming that at GeeTrue btw

[baggygreen]

I think the democrates are crazy for trusting a black man or a women to be their elected offical to run our country ...
Because? :-?

HEY NOW!!!! I am an African American, I take offense to that comment!

Aiming that at GeeTrue btwread the rest of the thread starfox, he clarified his comments a bit after

[JSLTIGER]

Peto is right. Health care is way out of control. I went to see a urologist last year. Just to sit down and say hello cost me $373.00. :o I had one test done it cost $10.00. :o. Last year I was the only one to see a doctor. Total out of pocket when done with this urologist, $1800.00. He prescribed $200.00 worth of pills. That was 30 pills or $6.66 for one pill. Thankfully my wife and two kids did not need to go to the doctors. Any doctor visit has the potential to put you out of your house. The cost out of pocket is that high. Where does a doctor justify $373.00 for less then 10 minutes in his office?
The doctor justifies the $373 because when he submits that bill to a health insurance company, he'll get maybe $20. The prices aren't really set for those with insurance versus those without insurance because the doctors then get slammed for bias against those with insurance if they make the non-insured prices lower. However, in order to make any money with insured patients, the prices have to be that high. Medicine is the only industry where the doctor says the price is one thing and those paying can say, no...we'll pay you 10%. It's like walking into a supermarket, buying $500 worth of groceries, ringing it up and telling the cashier that regardless of the total you'll pay $50 and then walking out the door with all of the groceries.

Additionally, if you don't follow his directions, you could potentially turn around and sue him for multiple millions for malpractice, and thus he needs to charge to cover the costs of insuring himself from these lawsuits (which requires that he pay the now-exorbitant rates for malpractice insurance as a result of all the frivolous lawsuits that have gone through the system and actually won).

As far as the cost of the pills go, that is not the doctor's fault, but the pharmaceutical company. The doctor is simply prescribing the medication that will get the job done based on what's available on the market. The pharmaceutical company is charging out the nose for each pill because: 1) they can get away with it because they're likely the only ones with that medication on the market and 2) they need you to fund the R & D on both this and their next drug.

[StarFox]

Ok, I can agree with that. That a major problem with health care too, the Insurance company's are "For Profit" not "For the good of the people"

major flaw. Although short of either enacting strick laws against the Insurance Company's, or creating a National Health care system, there is nothing any one can to do stop them. Its capitalism at its finest, ripping people off for something they NEED

Not like capitalism is bad, but with Health Insurance and Credit Card Company's, and Casino's to some extent (their busniess is to steal from people), they stretch out what is and is not ethical.

[geetrue]

The doctor justifies the $373 because when he submits that bill to a health insurance company, he'll get maybe $20. The prices aren't really set for those with insurance versus those without insurance because the doctors then get slammed for bias against those with insurance if they make the non-insured prices lower. However, in order to make any money with insured patients, the prices have to be that high. Medicine is the only industry where the doctor says the price is one thing and those paying can say, no...we'll pay you 10%. It's like walking into a supermarket, buying $500 worth of groceries, ringing it up and telling the cashier that regardless of the total you'll pay $50 and then walking out the door with all of the groceries.

Additionally, if you don't follow his directions, you could potentially turn around and sue him for multiple millions for malpractice, and thus he needs to charge to cover the costs of insuring himself from these lawsuits (which requires that he pay the now-exorbitant rates for malpractice insurance as a result of all the frivolous lawsuits that have gone through the system and actually won).

As far as the cost of the pills go, that is not the doctor's fault, but the pharmaceutical company. The doctor is simply prescribing the medication that will get the job done based on what's available on the market. The pharmaceutical company is charging out the nose for each pill because: 1) they can get away with it because they're likely the only ones with that medication on the market and 2) they need you to fund the R & D on both this and their next drug.

I learned a lot from just one post ... Your alright tiger :yep:

I thought they charged more if you had insurance ... Why?

Just because insurance was paying ... Don't some doctors pile it on if you have insurance and perhaps let you slide on a couple of test if you don't?

I have met a couple of medical mal-practice under cover agents and they are tough.

[Tchocky]

Optional medical insurance has the unfortunate consequence of making things more expensive.
If it's optional, then healthy & confident people won't bother, most insurance will be bought by moderate-high risk people. Premiums rise due to more claims, leading to fewer low-risk people buying insurance. This continues for a while.
Mandatory insurance could come out, on average, to be a better deal. But that depends on thinking on a national level, which voters hate to do.

[bradclark1]

One good thing about Texas is that they have the homestead act. Nobody can take your house. Most bankruptcies in the U.S. are medically related.