How can I give SH4 back to UBI because multiplayer don't work yet?

[diplomatic]

A game that can't played online is worthless.
The most people have not used a router - only a modem - but starting a session is not possible.

I have no router and made all port-exeptions in my firewall, but nobody can connect (I don't block popups set my explorersecurity to medium).
I have the suspect that you can only connect with the IP of your first login.
I talked with the people hosted a game - they had a static IP or were the first time online.
The most people get a dynamic IP from their provider. The people didn't manage to host a game despite the fact they are not using a router.
(I don't want to play it offline!)

[CaptainHaplo]

Welcome aboard Diplomatic....

As for returning the app to Ubi - you would have to ask them. However, even people who dont "have a router" still use routing functions - its built into the cable/dsl modem you use. While I don't play online, to say a game is "useless" without it - well - perhaps for you personally, but many of us find the game more than enjoyable as single players. Most games would be - but sims such as this are a "different breed". However, your entitled to your opinion of it. I can state that most folks who have tried the multiplayer indicate to me that it does work.

Almost all current cable/dsl modems have a web interface where you can open specific ports on the modem to allow connections. My guess is this is where your having an issue. Run ipconfig and find the "gateway" IP of your computer. The gateway is the internal IP of your modem. Type that into your web browser (usually its something like 192.168.x.1 or x.254 where x is usually 1 or 0) and you should get a web connection to your modem. It may require a login - but that will be where you configure your port forwarding, etc. Enjoy.

[diplomatic]

but this dsl-modem works like a telephone-modem without an interface.

[Rockin Robbins]

Never ask for help. Insult the game. Insult the developers. Insult the game company. Wonder why no one helps. Go figure. Enough from you. Get lost.:down:

[CaptainHaplo]

Diplomatic - if your modem doenst have a configuration you can modify, then contact your ISP to have them set it up to allow the proper ports to be open. (I am a network engineer by trade - just because your IP changes isnt going to keep you from playing online - this game does NOT require static IP's.)

I have seen the occasional DSL Modem that doesnt have a end user interface - but they are rare. Your best bet is to contact your ISP and either give em the specific port numbers to open - or tell em to just open it fully and you will have to do your security on a one line stand - your pc firewall. *God I hope you arent using windows firewall if thats the case - or Nortons internet insecurity*

RockinRobin - relax man - we have all had our frustrations with the game, and while I agree with the sentiment of lets not jump on the people that gave us a great game, we all have to remember that we can't control others, just our own responses. Who knows - if ole Diplomat gets his connection problem fixed - he might be loving the game as much as you and I - if not - then he wont last long on the forum anyway.

[jdkbph]

Why don't we just answer the man's question?

Question:
How can I give SH4 back to UBI because multiplayer don't work yet?

Answer:
Step 1: Place DVD and all accompanying printed materials back in box
Step 2: Wrap box in brown paper (be sure to seal all ends and seams with scotch tape)
Step 3: Address package as follows:
UbiSoft Worldwide Headquarters
28 Rue Armand Carrel
93 108 Montreuil Cedex
Step 4: Drive to your local post office, hand package to clerk and pay postage as requested.


Not too difficult, and I think that will solve the problem nicely.

JD

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Dowly]

Never ask for help. Insult the game. Insult the developers. Insult the game company. Wonder why no one helps. Go figure. Enough from you. Get lost.:down:

Could you point me the part where he insults the game or the devs or the company? :hmm:

[-Pv-]

I suspect getting the ports solved will still be dissapointing. Online play is not the game's strong point and those who only play online games will have an expectation higher than this game can deliver as it was not the focus of the game but a minor feature. Most who have tried it still complain. It's NOT EVE!
-Pv-

[seafarer]

but this dsl-modem works like a telephone-modem without an interface.

I have never encountered a DSL modem yet that does not have either a web interface, or a telnet/console interface, and most have both. How else do you set it up to connect to your given ISP?

Yours may have come from your ISP ready to connect, but I'd bet money that there is an interface to it (http://192.1.1.1 or some such most likely, or telnet into it).

[Rockin Robbins]

Never ask for help. Insult the game. Insult the developers. Insult the game company. Wonder why no one helps. Go figure. Enough from you. Get lost.:down:
Could you point me the part where he insults the game or the devs or the company? :hmm:
An archetype of negative Kentucky Fried Mole type people who think somehow their negativism is going to detract from the greatest submarine simulation franchise in history. Although I don't "doubt his habilities" (Kentucky Fried Mole quote) even his great "habilities" won't influence me to help as long as he persists in his attitude. When someone like this surfaces he can change that attitude or forget about getting any help. We've had enough of this broken record. Some people are not worthy of help.

That being said, if he looks around, realizes he is wrong and asks for help like a human being, not passing judgment from a lofty position of ignorance, my attitude would change also. But if we reward insolence, we will get more of it. I, for one, won't be bashful in urging that we don't reward troublemakers. Someone who leads off with "How can I give SH4 back to UBI because multiplyer won't work yet. A game that can't played online is worthless." is not asking for help, he's displaying his posterior.

To quote STEED, "use the search function" and learn the error of your ways. Five minutes will show you that many play the game online with no problem. Therefore, you are the problem. Ask nicely and we'll help you fix it. Otherwise leave.

I should quit beating around the bush and just state my opinion.:rotfl:

[pythos]

I have to agree with you on this one RR. This fellow asked a rather absurd question, then basically reveals the problem is not with his game, but with his DSL router.

Now, if the game were World of Warcraft, then it would be absolutely pointless to own the game. But this is a submarine simulation, where time compression is used A LOT. On line I think would make the game unbearably boring.

I have not played any subsim online, in case you could not tell.

[Torplexed]

A game that can't played online is worthless.
I found that statement a bit sweeping. There are lots of games out there designed for, and excellent for soliatire play. However I realize that with the increasing popularity of onlines games, games desgned for single players are probably going to become increasingly marginalized. Designing a good AI is a headache most developers would rather avoid.

[stabiz]

Never ask for help. Insult the game. Insult the developers. Insult the game company. Wonder why no one helps. Go figure. Enough from you. Get lost.:down:

He has a valid point.

[Monica Lewinsky]

I have to agree with you on this one RR. This fellow asked a rather absurd question, then basically reveals the problem is not with his game, but with his DSL router.

Now, if the game were World of Warcraft, then it would be absolutely pointless to own the game. But this is a submarine simulation, where time compression is used A LOT. On line I think would make the game unbearably boring.


Well said.
Would qualify as an absurd question by the author.

Assuming game play is a non-issue, so you want money back over a crap DSL modem/router or a crap DSL modem/router provider?

ROFL - Rolling on the floor LAUGHING! :rotfl:

[AkbarGulag]

SH3 was awesome to play LAN. Especially when you are a nub (like me and my mate were) and start blowing eachother up with acoustic torpedoes from 5km outside a convoy. I still remember the screams 'Akbar you B'Strd! stop ganking me!!!'

and my reply 'Huh?' :rotfl:

[Dowly]

Never ask for help. Insult the game. Insult the developers. Insult the game company. Wonder why no one helps. Go figure. Enough from you. Get lost.:down:
Could you point me the part where he insults the game or the devs or the company? :hmm:
An archetype of negative Kentucky Fried Mole type people who think somehow their negativism is going to detract from the greatest submarine simulation franchise in history. Although I don't "doubt his habilities" (Kentucky Fried Mole quote) even his great "habilities" won't influence me to help as long as he persists in his attitude. When someone like this surfaces he can change that attitude or forget about getting any help. We've had enough of this broken record. Some people are not worthy of help.

That being said, if he looks around, realizes he is wrong and asks for help like a human being, not passing judgment from a lofty position of ignorance, my attitude would change also. But if we reward insolence, we will get more of it. I, for one, won't be bashful in urging that we don't reward troublemakers. Someone who leads off with "How can I give SH4 back to UBI because multiplyer won't work yet. A game that can't played online is worthless." is not asking for help, he's displaying his posterior.

To quote STEED, "use the search function" and learn the error of your ways. Five minutes will show you that many play the game online with no problem. Therefore, you are the problem. Ask nicely and we'll help you fix it. Otherwise leave.

I should quit beating around the bush and just state my opinion.:rotfl:

Righto...

I still cant see where he insults the game nor the devs. He just states that a game he cant play online is worthless (to him). As he also says that he doesnt want to play it offline, doesnt it then make it worthless to him? Now, you can see from his post that his english isnt perfect (no offence Diplomatic), maybe this gives the post a tone he didnt mean? Maybe he is just a player seeking for help from the forums? But instead of help, ppl come out carrying torches and yelling "HERETIC!!". :roll:

[John Channing]

Well.. I think both sides have made their point and the OP has his answer, so lets just all move along, shall we?

Thanks

JCC

[d@rk51d3]

Now, you can see from his post that his english isnt perfect (no offence Diplomatic), maybe this gives the post a tone he didnt mean? Maybe he is just a player seeking for help from the forums?

I agree Dowly, quite often the translation from German to English results in something sounding quite "aggressive", while it is (often) unintentional to do so.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

Whoa! The drama! The guy should not have started off this way. BTW if you decide to give away SH4 can you send it here please? I know someone who wants one.:yep:

[SteamWake]

Meh dont worry about it.

Even if he does get it to work chances are finding a match up with compatible versions are going to be slim to none.

Also he will find it quite lonely out there a virtual ghost town. I think there is maybe 10 people whom play online.

Frankly I think UBI made a mistake by putting efforts into trying to integrate multi player ability into what was designed to be a single player game.

[DavyJonesFootlocker]

Yes. Out in the Pacific no one can hear you scream. I agree SH4 Multiplayer has gone the way of Destroyer Command multiplayer.

[Dantenoc]

Frankly I think UBI made a mistake by putting efforts into trying to integrate multi player ability into what was designed to be a single player game.

Indeed... seems they made a lot of wasted efforts in different areas to make the game more appealing to mainstream players, when sadly, SH4 will never appeal to anyone outside us "niche" players. No controversy intended, it's just the way it is... for starters, SH4 requires a big time commitment from the player, which is something the "casual" player just isn't willing to do.

Anyway, it's off topic so I'll stop here, I just wanted to second your opinion.

[Skyhawk]

Apply as required:

1) The view must be nice from that lofty perch,

2) You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

I thought that garnering support for this community and computer game genre was an important thing to do - serves our interests as subsim fans the best (e.g. buying an expansion pack I don't personally want). But evidently it is the honest opinion of some that sometimes it is better to burn a bridge rather than try and help create a new fan of the product/s. Or perhaps this forum is supposed to be an exclusive club rather than a public forum. Yup, sometimes, people who don't "worship at the same altar" pay us a visit, but that doesn't mean we have an obligation to make certain they don't come back or further support the genre. How 'bout we show a little class when those visits occur?

The user was obviously frustrated. Something impossible about just letting it go rather than make sure to kick him in the arse on the way out the door? :roll: :hmm:

Ever hear the old adage, "If you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything at all."?

SH4 is indeed an excellent product thanks to the modders and dev's. Absolutely no need to get overly defensive. Matter of fact, as part of this "community" that intolerant and defensive attitude bothers me more than anything the OP said.

Before anyone else replies with some witty crap about me doing the same (keeping my mouth shut that is), I would highly advise you to look at my post count then look at your own.

". . . and that's all I have to say about that."

-Forest Gump-

Forgive me JC but I thought that maybe there was something to be learned here. All due respect. Moving on.

[AkbarGulag]

Although many people don't use this online... I really like LAN with this game... seriously, any halfwitted nub with basic motorfunction can enjoy this game when set to easy and is spawned near enemy action.

I am still trying to get a LAN going with 4+ people here... really want to do this 'control the fleet' stuff. Although usually none of my friends will let me play VS them :cry:

Ever hear the old adage, "If you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything at all."?

I get in trouble for that all the time, makes me no friends... but still, sometimes things need to be said. I had a dopey friend once that made me laugh when he quipped this little statement "I hate people that say stuff" ^^