Obama's crazy "end poverty" bill....

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Sen. Barack Obama, perhaps giving America a preview of priorities he would pursue if elected president, is rejoicing over the Senate committee passage of a plan that could end up costing taxpayers billions of dollars in an attempt to reduce poverty in other nations.

The bill, called the Global Poverty Act, is the type of legislation, "We can – and must – make … a priority," said Obama, a co-sponsor.

It would demand that the president develop "and implement" a policy to "cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief" and other programs.

When word about what appears to be a massive new spending program started getting out, the reaction was immediate.

"It's not our job to cut global poverty," said one commenter on a Yahoo news forum. "These people need to learn how to fish themselves. If we keep throwing them fish, the fish will rot."

READ ON: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=56405 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56405)

ok, the US is broke.. and this fool wants to give 845 BILLION Dollars to broke countries....
at this rate he isnt even president, and he already wants to drive the US into the ground...hooray :roll:

[Tchocky]

Applauding the passage of a bill doesn't make it his bill.

Anyway, this is only legislating what the US has already committed to.

http://www.unmillenniumproject.org/press/07.htm

[SUBMAN1]

Applauding the passage of a bill doesn't make it his bill. But being a cosponser does make it his bill! :D :p

-S

[Tchocky]

Applauding the passage of a bill doesn't make it his bill. But being a cosponser does make it his bill! :D :p

Ah crap.

*reads it again*

Still though, US has already pledged to this.

[August]

Applauding the passage of a bill doesn't make it his bill. But being a cosponser does make it his bill! :D :p
Ah crap.

*reads it again*

Still though, US has already pledged to this.

Nobody including Congress or the President can pledge the US to something that violates the constitution.

[Tchocky]

Does it violate the Constitution?

[SUBMAN1]

Does it violate the Constitution?I don't think it does, and its an admirable goal, but I think it is money better spent at home fixing problems and dealing with critical research before we think of sending it overseas. Sometimes, I think the US does big things overseas to cloud the picture of what is happening at home. Its all one big political game.

-S

[sonar732]

I, for one, hate those commercials about the starving kids in underdeveloped nations who need your money to buy them food, clothes, and clean drinking water.

What happened to the poverty in the good 'ol USA?

[Letum]

"It's not our job to cut global poverty," said one commenter on a Yahoo news forum. "These people need to learn how to fish themselves. If we keep throwing them fish, the fish will rot."

Not really the most insightful and indepth analysis of the global economy is it?

[baggygreen]

Yeh.... i woulda thought itd be much better to spend all that cash on the poverty-stricken folk of the US first...

[Stealth Hunter]

I get tired of hearing the same **** everyday. It's always, "Let's just talk this subject to death, and do nothing," with people on the news and in Congress. I'm getting sick of it. Day in and day out, that's all that happens, it seems like.

[The WosMan]

It absolutely violates the constitution because it would allow for a global tax imposed on US citizens run by the United Nations (and the guy at the UN said he would like it to be a carbon tax...cough cough global warming crowd). This violates the Article I powers of the legislative branch. Congress has the power to lay and collect taxes for the common defense and general welfare of the United States. This means that not only can they not legislate this against us because it does not provide for the United States, it puts the control of this money into the hands of the UN. It completely violates the constitution and our sovereignty. The constitution does not allow the handing over of our authority to global bodies. This bill, the treaty of the sea bill, all of them go against everything my country was founded on. If anything, this proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Senator Obama has no business serving as POTUS. The founding fathers are spinning in their graves right now.

[Sea Demon]

Good post Wosman. This is only one of many reasons why Obama is unfit to lead. This seems to be more of the same old "let's throw US taxpayer money at em'" with no accountability, and no concern over results. This approach has been tried before, many time in fact. It doesn't work, time for something else. And lets try to do something that doesn't hand control of US taxpayer money over to the corrupt UN.

[The WosMan]

True, but I think it goes much further than that. Obama is very mysterious about his agenda. When he gives speeches they are very vague and he talks in circles and everyone thinks it's great. Even though this is parody, it pretty much sums up Obama: http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/New/obamaspot.asx

The fact is in his short political career he is the most liberal senator in the US Congress. I think the guy has an agenda that goes beyond the normal pandering. Be prepared to learn this new anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpKRd2xQeq8

[Stealth Hunter]

Can't say I would want McCain or Clinton in there, either. DEFINITE NO TO HUCKABEE.

[Peto]

I'd be most interested in a good old fashioned balanced budget before looking over-seas for empty piggy banks.

The more this election goes on, the more I think that anyone who would want to be POTUS now has got to be just a little crazy. You couldn't pay me enough to take on that kind of stress.

[orwell]

I, for one, hate those commercials about the starving kids in underdeveloped nations who need your money to buy them food, clothes, and clean drinking water.

What happened to the poverty in the good 'ol USA?

I wholeheartedly agree. And if we insist on helping others, yes, basic needs should be met. But, what if we gave them jobs, and stability? Capital would go a long way, especially if the population were given skills to be independant, and the chance to compete with their products globally.

[baggygreen]

True, but I think it goes much further than that. Obama is very mysterious about his agenda. When he gives speeches they are very vague and he talks in circles and everyone thinks it's great. Even though this is parody, it pretty much sums up Obama: http://mfile.akamai.com/5020/wma/rushlimb.download.akamai.com/5020/New/obamaspot.asx

The fact is in his short political career he is the most liberal senator in the US Congress. I think the guy has an agenda that goes beyond the normal pandering. Be prepared to learn this new anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpKRd2xQeq8 Sounds like our PM:D

[Stealth Hunter]

Well... I don't know. None of us really know what's going to happen when the new president is elected. They might do what they say... they might not (as was Bush's case with "significantly lowered taxes" among other things). However, I'd take a chimp over the idiot running the country at the moment. At least chimps can actually think out ways to solve a problem... and they also know to chew their food ("Dammit Laura! We've got to stop feeding George so many pretzels!").

Whatever happens will happen. Nothing we can do. In the end, it comes down to the super delegates. Our votes don't mean much at all. It's who the super delegates want to be president, pure and simple.

[Tchocky]

Anyone else sick & tired of all these Communists pretending to be real Americans?

[JSLTIGER]

My question is simply why elite cares so much...he's not an American, he doesn't even live here on a permanent basis! Granted, in this case I happen to agree with him, but still...

[STEED]

Anyone else sick & tired of all these Communists pretending to be real Americans?

I thought they were all locked up in the 1950's & 60's. :hmm:

[Stealth Hunter]

Anyone else sick & tired of all these Communists pretending to be real Americans?

I thought they were all locked up in the 1950's & 60's. :hmm:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg2CSNczMmY

:rotfl:

[STEED]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg2CSNczMmY

:rotfl:

The good old days when reds were under the bed. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcffD41vu2s&feature=related

Obama bill: $845 billion
more for global poverty


Throwing money at the problem and hoping it will go away is not the answer for example back in the days if Tony Blair he tried it here by throwing money at it and still the problem remains.

[Stealth Hunter]

I couldn't believe McCarthy. That man was like an Inquisitor and not like a politician (although much like a politician since he was only doing this for personal gain).

This country exists on the idea that all men are created equal and all inhabitants are entitled to inalienable rights, something that was totally smeared and nearly erased from American history during the late 1940's and early 1950's. We went from being sensible people to the equivalents of witch hunters in the 16th century. "A commie! Arrest him! Arrest him!"

Patriotism involves you blindly following the government without question. If history has taught us one thing, it's that we should always question what our leaders do. That's what led to the creation of the United States in the first place.

[SteminDemon13]

Why not send some farm equipment over there? Why cant they teach them how to fend for themselves? We could also send Farming for Dummies, Building a working sewer system for dummies, survival for dummies, where to go if the land you are inhabiting is unable to support plant life for food for dummies, medicines for dummies. We are just shelling out all this money, with the same result for all these years. No one has thought about a tractor, farm equipment and soil drop.

[XLjedi]

I really don't understand why we can't just get Socialism established here in the US first?

Is that being too selfish?

[XLjedi]

Was there not a time in history when the victors of war required restitution be paid? ...how exactly did that concept get passed over? ...and replaced even with this idea that my children need to pay to rebuild these self-destructive nations.

If the gulf conflict occured back in the 50's Hillary & Obama would be arguing about whether or not to count the Iraqi delegates. (alright, so I jest... but still!)

[StarFox]

Its better then spending the same ammount of mony in Iraq....at least it has a purpose

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Its better then spending the same ammount of mony in Iraq....at least it has a purpose

Does it? People all over the world have been pouring money into it for years, but there's been no real progress. Its gotten to the extent where they get money but dont really know what to do with it.

I agree with SteminDemon - send them stuff they can actually use to work their way out of the rut, rather than make them dependent on handouts. That might sound callous, but its just pissing money away otherwise.

[The WosMan]

I couldn't believe McCarthy. That man was like an Inquisitor and not like a politician (although much like a politician since he was only doing this for personal gain).

This country exists on the idea that all men are created equal and all inhabitants are entitled to inalienable rights, something that was totally smeared and nearly erased from American history during the late 1940's and early 1950's. We went from being sensible people to the equivalents of witch hunters in the 16th century. "A commie! Arrest him! Arrest him!"

Patriotism involves you blindly following the government without question. If history has taught us one thing, it's that we should always question what our leaders do. That's what led to the creation of the United States in the first place.

Your knowledge of US history is limited to the crap they serve as educational material today. If you did some actual research into the guy you might walk away with a different conclusion. What is always funny to me is how he seemed to be blamed for being some horrible person when the body that would hold all the hearings and go after people was the House committee on un-american activities and McCarthy was a US Senator and not a member of the House of Representatives. He named people as communists, true....but he was also right. After the Soviet Union fell and many soviet documents were made available in 1993 and also the Venona Intercepts it turns out McCarthy was right on the money.

Unknown to us, between 1943 and 1980 the NSA intercepted and recorded every Soviet communique to and from the United States. In 1995, 1,400 of these files became public information and the people McCarthy went after were known communists on this list. As a matter of fact, of the 10,000 people in the government that were exposed as communists only about 40 were exposed by McCarthy.

[nikimcbee]

I get tired of hearing the same **** everyday. It's always, "Let's just talk this subject to death, and do nothing," with people on the news and in Congress. I'm getting sick of it. Day in and day out, that's all that happens, it seems like.


...that's why they're in the Senate:roll: It's just speech club from high school, just over paid:roll: .

[Tchocky]

Yeh.... i woulda thought itd be much better to spend all that cash on the poverty-stricken folk of the US first... That's governement intervention in the free market!

If you're poor, it's nobody's fault but yours!

(am I doing it right?)

@ WosMan - I think the nasteist part of that era was the idea that the governement could legislate for "Un-American activities", a definition so vague it expands to "whoever I disagree with".
And so what if someone is a communist?

[Konovalov]

Yeh.... i woulda thought itd be much better to spend all that cash on the poverty-stricken folk of the US first...
That's governement intervention in the free market!

If you're poor, it's nobody's fault but yours!

(am I doing it right?)

:lol: :lol:

That sounds like the usual script around these parts along with 'commie pinko' yada yada. :roll: