18 shot at Northern Illinois University

[elite_hunter_sh3]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...305546,00.html (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1305546,00.html)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7246003.stm

http://www.wptv.com/content/breaking...a-4b19e280e371 (http://www.wptv.com/content/breakingnews/story.aspx?content_id=7ef7b368-ca6c-4953-815a-4b19e280e371)

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[Kapitan_Phillips]

Some guys in an SUV drove past a dorm building and shot at it at the college I'm going to in little town Barnesville, Georgia.


What's going on lately? :-?

[Biggles]

Oh bloody.....just stop it okay? Noone thinks it's funny anymore, go shoot some old cans or whatever, these school shootings are far too common for me to be comfortable...

[Dowly]

*sigh*

Again? :nope:

[Biggles]

As Mr. Dowly said....again?

and now I ask....Why?

[mrbeast]

.....What's going on lately? :-?

2nd Amendment? :hmm:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

.....What's going on lately? :-?
2nd Amendment? :hmm:


I'm waiting for mothers to blame videogames.

[DeepIron]

More insanity... more sadness... more tragedy... :nope:

[HunterICX]

More insanity... more sadness... more tragedy... :nope:
Indeed, I dont get it
if you want to end your own life...leave others alone for crying out loud.:nope:

HunterICX

[Letum]

So unorigional you wonder if they are trying to be post-ironic.

A tradgedy, but not a shocking one anymore.
As I said last time, there is no reason to think this won't happen again next week and
every reason to belive it will happen again soon.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

if the 2nd ammendment was respected and the damn government wasnt so PC about it, there would have been a student with a concealed and carry permit and caryying a concealed handgun, who then most likely would have saved those lives by placeing a few well placed shots to the shooters chest.. but nooooooo they have to outright ban guns fro muniversity campuses.. its like, your hunting deer, you might as well make them blind and deaf...

fyi there hasnt been a single recording of a crime commited by person with a Concealed and carry permit :yep::hmm::shifty:

[mrbeast]

if the 2nd ammendment was respected and the damn government wasnt so PC about it, there would have been a student with a concealed and carry permit and caryying a concealed handgun, who then most likely would have saved those lives by placeing a few well placed shots to the shooters chest.. but nooooooo they have to outright ban guns fro muniversity campuses.. its like, your hunting deer, you might as well make them blind and deaf...

fyi there hasnt been a single recording of a crime commited by person with a Concealed and carry permit :yep::hmm::shifty:

Yeah just like in the movies eh?! :nope:

[sonar732]

if the 2nd ammendment was respected and the damn government wasnt so PC about it, there would have been a student with a concealed and carry permit and caryying a concealed handgun, who then most likely would have saved those lives by placeing a few well placed shots to the shooters chest.. but nooooooo they have to outright ban guns fro muniversity campuses.. its like, your hunting deer, you might as well make them blind and deaf...

fyi there hasnt been a single recording of a crime commited by person with a Concealed and carry permit :yep::hmm::shifty:

The guns being banned from the university didn't stop the shooter from doing it. Even if someone had a weapon in one of those classes, he still would've shot at least 5 of them before he met his demise.

Don't get me wrong...I'm for the 2nd!

We'll find out more as the news will be interviewing their own experts as to why he carried a shot gun to the campus.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

rather 5 then 18 :-? then again even 1 is bad, id rather see students armed going to school.. or at least security with assault rifles or some decent weapons rather then some crappy baton and a flashlight... :roll: plus if everyone knew guns are allowed on campus who has the balls to try to kill armed students in a university???:dead:

[mrbeast]

rather 5 then 18 :-? then again even 1 is bad, id rather see students armed going to school.. or at least security with assault rifles or some decent weapons rather then some crappy baton and a flashlight... :roll: plus if everyone knew guns are allowed on campus who has the balls to try to kill armed students in a university???:dead:

Why stop there, give everyone a gun, and make it compulsory to carry it locked and loaded?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

if a student wants to carry a gun legally witha CCP, then let him, if they dont want to then they dont want to... if a student has a criminal record then no he shouldnt be allowed.. same goes for teachers and administration. criminal record = no CCP, if they are clean they can chose wether or not they want to carry a concealed weapon.. now go back to England if you dont want guns...:shifty:

edit: just checked, you are in the UK... that mostly explains your anti gun feelings.. :roll:

[mrbeast]

if a student wants to carry a gun legally witha CCP, then let him, if they dont want to then they dont want to... if a student has a criminal record then no he shouldnt be allowed.. same goes for teachers and administration. criminal record = no CCP, if they are clean they can chose wether or not they want to carry a concealed weapon.. now go back to England if you dont want guns...:shifty:

I have to say 18 students shot dead sounds like a pretty darn good reason not to leave England. :yep:

I just find it extraordinary that your solution to spree killings is more guns so students can have some sort of wild west shoot out! :roll:

[Letum]

rather 5 then 18 :-? then again even 1 is bad, id rather see students armed going to school.. or at least security with assault rifles or some decent weapons rather then some crappy baton and a flashlight... :roll: plus if everyone knew guns are allowed on campus who has the balls to try to kill armed students in a university???:dead:
In England we don't have much of a problem with guns in schools, but we do have a
problem with knives in schools.

Perhaps we should have more students and teachers carrying knives or at least security
with machetties rather than some crappy whistle and telephone....:roll: plus if everyone
knew knives where allowed in the university who has the balls to try and stab
a armed student in a university???:dead:

If we give students knives and let them know that it is ok to have one then
stabbings are bound to decrease.

Everyone would feel a lot safer if they knew that all the students in the class room
are ready to jump out with a 4" blade at a moments notice.



....errr....right?

[STEED]

Yet again and. What's the point we all know. :nope:

[The WosMan]

I'm sick of this crap already. There is something mentally wrong with people in our country and it is getting worse. My mother works in an elementary school with children who have severe behavior problems. You can pretty much tell who has major problems and who is the sociopath but there isn't anything that can be done about it because of political correctness and diversity. The problem gets identified but nobody does anything to nip it in the bud. Many of these kids have lousy parents and the parents were probably were addicted to drugs when carrying the kid. In any event this stuff is really getting out of control with the shootings. I am glad I am finished with college at this point and I am quite glad that many of the criminal justice professors at my university carried concealed much to the horror of many of the more liberal professors.

It is getting to the point where I feel I need to carry a gun with me everywhere I go regardless of whether or not that sign says no guns permitted because that sign isn't going to save my life if some madman runs into the mall or some store and starts firing. I hate to get all biblical but I am pretty sure there is some reference to this type of insanity increasing in frequency toward the end of times. I'm not a super religious person but sometimes the accurancy of those writings can be scary.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

I'm sick of this crap already. There is something mentally wrong with people in our country and it is getting worse. My mother works in an elementary school with children who have severe behavior problems. You can pretty much tell who has major problems and who is the sociopath but there isn't anything that can be done about it because of political correctness and diversity. The problem gets identified but nobody does anything to nip it in the bud. Many of these kids have lousy parents and the parents were probably were addicted to drugs when carrying the kid. In any event this stuff is really getting out of control with the shootings. I am glad I am finished with college at this point and I am quite glad that many of the criminal justice professors at my university carried concealed much to the horror of many of the more liberal professors.

It is getting to the point where I feel I need to carry a gun with me everywhere I go regardless of whether or not that sign says no guns permitted because that sign isn't going to save my life if some madman runs into the mall or some store and starts firing. I hate to get all biblical but I am pretty sure there is some reference to this type of insanity increasing in frequency toward the end of times. I'm not a super religious person but sometimes the accurancy of those writings can be scary.

BINGO!!! keyword diversity... :roll::shifty:

[CCIP]

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[Peto]

I'm sick of this crap already. There is something mentally wrong with people in our country and it is getting worse.

It is getting to the point where I feel I need to carry a gun with me everywhere I go regardless of whether or not that sign says no guns permitted because that sign isn't going to save my life if some madman runs into the mall or some store and starts firing. I hate to get all biblical but I am pretty sure there is some reference to this type of insanity increasing in frequency toward the end of times. I'm not a super religious person but sometimes the accurancy of those writings can be scary.

One Biblical reference kind of along those lines is *Men's hearts failing them for fear* (Revelations somewhere). Doesn't exactly corelate to school shooting but it sure fits the Fear that seems to be pervasive anymore: Fear that is the product of real events, perceived threats and something intangilble that just seems to be hanging in the air like fog.

I won't disagree with anyone's post in this thread (at least so far :hmm:) because everything that's been stated is correct from a certain perspective. The reality is, these school shootings (and violent crime in general) are becoming more & more common place. And it Sucks.

Legislating this kind of thing away ain't gonna happen. It'll take a cultural shift to do it. Probably not something we'll see real soon...

[Yahoshua]

Legislating this kind of thing away ain't gonna happen. It'll take a cultural shift to do it. Probably not something we'll see real soon...

IMO I don't think we're going to see it happen with my generation. My generation is more content to look to the government to protect them and hold their hand and tell them what to do.

[StdDev]

I'm sick of this crap already. There is something mentally wrong with people in our country and it is getting worse.

<SNIP>

Legislating this kind of thing away ain't gonna happen. It'll take a cultural shift to do it. Probably not something we'll see real soon...

But but but legislation is the OBVIOUS answer!!!
The obvious way to deal with mental health issues is legislate as if EVERYONE is a psychotic killer!! seems fair.

No more guns.
No more knives (except maybe the cute little ones that are ever so handy for opening envelopes.. nah.. them too...)
From now on rocks bigger than drive-way gravel are against the law.
You will be prosecuted for making direct eye contact. :shifty:
Use a stick.. go to jail.
Lengths of string, rope, or wire in excess of 1 foot require a permit.
Expressing your own opinion publicly.. 3 - 5 years.. hard labor.

I'm sure there are many more.. basically anything that you can pick up in your hands could possibly be a weapon.. so all of them are now out...

Remember.. this is all meant to help you live a more meaningfull, productive, and safer life!

[M. Sarsfield]

As the saying goes, "I'd rather be tried by 12 of my peers, than carried by 6 of them on my back [in a box]". I'd be packing heat on campus whether the socialist sons of b*tches that run the place like it or not.

As for Jolly Old England, the UK has surpassed the US in all crimes, except for murder and rape. Shootings happen in the UK, as well as the US, but we still get the "stupid cowboy" moniker. The fact is that if everyone packs heat, or even if 50% of people pack heat, a criminal will think twice, because there's a 1 in 2 chance of looking down the barrel of the would-be-victim's gun.

I always shake my head when I see a store or restaurant post a "no weapons" sign in their front window. If I was a robber, that would be my first stop. These campus gunmen know that most people will be easy targets, because of the campus rules. I agree that it does take a sick mind to do something like this for "glory" or similar notoriety to the 1920's gangsters, the Columbine shooters, etc.

[SUBMAN1]

.....What's going on lately? :-?
2nd Amendment? :hmm:Try lack of the second amendment. These schools violate peoples rights to the second amendment and deny all firearms on campus. The result? Crazies know this and take their shooting rampage there because they know that no one will shoot back at them and they can do the most damage for the biggest headlines and whatever else they think they can get.

These rules of gun free zones need to be stopped.

Shopping malls typically have gun free zones so that is the other place these crazies like to go.

-S

[Tchocky]

Crazies know this and take their shooting rampage there because they know that no one will shoot back at them and they can do the most damage for the biggest headlines and whatever else they think they can get.
Not exactly. Look at the perpetrators, almost always students or former students.

[mrbeast]

........These rules of gun free zones need to be stopped.

Thats got to be quote of the year! :yep:

[SUBMAN1]

Crazies know this and take their shooting rampage there because they know that no one will shoot back at them and they can do the most damage for the biggest headlines and whatever else they think they can get. Not exactly. Look at the perpetrators, almost always students or former students.In Universities, yes. This is because the students know the layout and exactly where they are going.

Mall crazies typically are non U students using this same logic.

THey go where they are familiar and not challenged.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

........These rules of gun free zones need to be stopped.
Thats got to be quote of the year! :yep:Glad you think so.

-S

[Tchocky]

Crazies know this and take their shooting rampage there because they know that no one will shoot back at them and they can do the most damage for the biggest headlines and whatever else they think they can get. Not exactly. Look at the perpetrators, almost always students or former students.In Universities, yes. This is because the students know the layout and exactly where they are going.

Mall crazies typically are non U students using this same logic.

THey go where they are familiar and not challenged.

-S

Most of the time, any suicide note/video left behind mentions other students, or the motive for the shooting is bound up in the killers' experiences at the school/university. I doubt the choice of location is entirely due to it being a gun-free zone.

[SUBMAN1]

Most of the time, any suicide note/video left behind mentions other students, or the motive for the shooting is bound up in the killers' experiences at the school/university. I doubt the choice of location is entirely due to it being a gun-free zone.It has a lot to do with it. Where it differs can be found in mall shootings. They leave notes to the same degree, but target random people in the mall. Much can be looked at in the U killings too - they pretty much kill random people. THere is no real target other than to hurt as many people as possible.

Removing gun free zones removes some of the freedom to do what they want to do as well. All a sudden, they are not guaranteed to be able to accomplish what they want to accomplish (the killing of as many people as possible) without worry that someone will possibly stop them.

You might call this - A deterrance.

Anyway, I'm just sick of these whackos. I usually don't carry a gun, but I usually don't wind up in places that you wouldn't want to be without one. Malls and Universities however always leave one with that feeling that someone is going to exploit this place when you stroll through one though.

-S

PS. The bad news is, with our single mothers (5 times more liekly to have children who end up incarcerated) and our declining morals and increasing pressures - I think this all will get worse before it gets better, if it ever gets better.

Just my 2 cents.

[Bort]

A student who attended my former high school and graduated in 2006 was killed in the shooting. Such a tragedy. :cry:

[XabbaRus]

As the saying goes, "I'd rather be tried by 12 of my peers, than carried by 6 of them on my back [in a box]". I'd be packing heat on campus whether the socialist sons of b*tches that run the place like it or not.

As for Jolly Old England, the UK has surpassed the US in all crimes, except for murder and rape. Shootings happen in the UK, as well as the US, but we still get the "stupid cowboy" moniker. The fact is that if everyone packs heat, or even if 50% of people pack heat, a criminal will think twice, because there's a 1 in 2 chance of looking down the barrel of the would-be-victim's gun.

I always shake my head when I see a store or restaurant post a "no weapons" sign in their front window. If I was a robber, that would be my first stop. These campus gunmen know that most people will be easy targets, because of the campus rules. I agree that it does take a sick mind to do something like this for "glory" or similar notoriety to the 1920's gangsters, the Columbine shooters, etc.

Could you provide dat for this? Are you basing this on crimes per 1000 people? I'd like to see the stats as I find this hard to believe.

[The WosMan]

Come on SubMan1. Don't you know that the gun talks to you and tells you to kill everyone? It's the Amitygun Horror.

Seriously, if you have a deranged person that is intent on killing a bunch of people and knows there is no way people can defend themselves from that because it is a gun free zone, that wack-job will get a gun regardless of laws.