Global warming is going to be the farce of the 2000's

[SUBMAN1]

Seems we will actually be getting an Ice Age. Not good.

http://www.dailytech.com/Solar+Activity+Diminishes+Researchers+Predict+Anot her+Ice+Age/article10630.htm

-S

PS. I think we need to get more SUV's and fast and possibly turn this around a little! :D

[joea]

PS. I think we need to get more SUV's and fast and possibly turn this around a little! :D

Great deregulate the climate even more. :roll: Even if an ice age is coming.

[STEED]

Great. :D :D :D

[antikristuseke]

Well, technicaly, the last ice age isnt really over yet...

[SUBMAN1]

PS. I think we need to get more SUV's and fast and possibly turn this around a little! :D
Great deregulate the climate even more. :roll: Even if an ice age is coming.You got a better plan? :lol:

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Well, technicaly, the last ice age isnt really over yet...Well, now you get another one. :down:

-S

[STEED]

Well, technicaly, the last ice age isnt really over yet...

That is so true, but don't tell that to the global warming nutters as they may chase you out of town. :rotfl:

[Tchocky]

The farce of the 2000s? Quoting as a primary source an observsation from 1991?

Standard Asher article, really.

[SUBMAN1]

The farce of the 2000s? Quoting as a primary source an observsation from 1991?

Standard Asher article, really.A technicality. Al Gore didn't make it a big deal till the 2000's, so it doesn't matter if they thought about it in the year 1850.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

I've got a solution to the global cooling problem though: :D

http://www.dailytech.com/SUV+Not+Big+Enough+for+You+Try+an+XUV/article10626.htm

-S

[antikristuseke]

The farce of the 2000s? Quoting as a primary source an observsation from 1991?

Standard Asher article, really.A technicality. Al Gore didn't make it a big deal till the 2000's, so it doesn't matter if they thought about it in the year 1850.

-S

Arround here global warming has been in discution long before Al Gore made his movie. Allso in scientific circles there is no real debate about wether man made emissions of various greenhouse gasses are affecting the global climate, the concensus is that they are with a mound of evidence to back it up.

[STEED]

I've got a solution to the global cooling problem though: :D

http://www.dailytech.com/SUV+Not+Big+Enough+for+You+Try+an+XUV/article10626.htm

-S

Don't show that to the Governor of California he will be drooling over it for weeks to come. :roll: :rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

Arround here global warming has been in discution long before Al Gore made his movie. Allso in scientific circles there is no real debate about wether man made emissions of various greenhouse gasses are affecting the global climate, the concensus is that they are with a mound of evidence to back it up.Well, even if you can affect 20% of the climate, you are all going to need to do your part now to keep it warm, that is unless you like Ice Cream! :p All your food will be packed free of charge in Ice!

-S

[SUBMAN1]

I've got a solution to the global cooling problem though: :D

http://www.dailytech.com/SUV+Not+Big+Enough+for+You+Try+an+XUV/article10626.htm

-S
Don't show that to the Governor of California he will be drooling over it for weeks to come. :roll: :rotfl:I'm surprised he doesn't already own the demo unit! :D

-S

[STEED]

I've got a solution to the global cooling problem though: :D

http://www.dailytech.com/SUV+Not+Big+Enough+for+You+Try+an+XUV/article10626.htm

-S
Don't show that to the Governor of California he will be drooling over it for weeks to come. :roll: :rotfl:I'm surprised he doesn't already own the demo unit! :D

-S

Takes it out when no one is looking. :roll:

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[bradclark1]

What the farce is that nobody has a standardized way of studying either extreme so you can basically make your own theory and swear it's really, really the real thing. Every Tom, Dick and Subman can point to cooling. Every Bob, Steve and bradclark1 can point to warming using whatever backs your theory. To me yes the suns activity can cause cooling but is our man made enviroment causing warming? I guess if it starts getting too cool we can increase pollution to control the weather. What we do doesn't effect the sun but what we do does effect earth. The difference between freezing and not is one degree.

[geetrue]

We could start our own study right here on Subsim with such a diversified international community.

Report strange weather habits that stray from normal in your local area (not google).

Today is tuesday February 12, 2008

snow is melting wind is steady temperature expected to be in the 60's today.
Has been in the high fifties for the last three days ...

Very unusal for February here on the west coast ... simply beautiful weather.

[Skybird]

Mid-February here in Germany. I currently live in the same climate zone as I did when being a schoolboy 25-35 years ago.

this weekend, weather was like the days before: I did my first skate tour - in nothing more than shorts and T-shirt. blue sky, sun was shining.

Last year I used to sit on my balcony at this time of the year, again in shorts and T-shirt. I enjoyed icecream - like I did yesterday. The years beforer also weather was considerably warmer than during my childhood.

Flowers and trees start to blossom. the cherry tree in front of my house started blossoming short after christmas, then hesitated, and went on, and hesiotated. Tress in general become green much earlier in the year now, and colopurful autumn comes later and lasts longer, than 30 years ago.

Increasingly, we have insects now that we did not have back then, they came in from the south.

when I was at school, we used to wear tight, thick coats, and do snowball battles in February. In Decembre, snow was not a given, but January and February and sometimes March were the coldest time of the year, with temperatures around or below zero very often, and snow that lasted for days and weeks. Sometimes there even was another snowy week in April.

Taking that contrast of over 25-35 years, I do not need a statistic to see that this is not the climate I lived in during my childhood anymore 8not that statistics objects that observation). It is objective, most direct experience. Like is the vanishing of glaciers, the increasing loss of ice at both poles (last confirmed by Nasa just in January this year), changing spreading patterns of botanic and animal life.

By calendar date, we have deepest winter over here. In fact it already is late spring, at noon-time even early summer. record temperate last week climbed to 25°C in my town area. It should be around and below zero. the number of severe floodings and stronger than usual thunderstorms in germany have increased by a factor of 5 over the past 20 years, says the german weather service - that makes it a trend. Last year was the warmest year in Germany since the recording of weather data started. Same record was reached in 3 of the 5 years before 2007 - we again talk of a trend, then.

[SUBMAN1]

Well, over here in the PNW, we are having an exceptionally cold and snowy year. Worst I can remember snow wise so far, and this is going back over 30 years since I moved here!

I also have friends in AZ, and one of them was out walkin ghis dog and found ice in a puddle! This is in a place that never sees ice and is known to be hot year round!

Crazy cold weather. Something wierd is going on - I believe this Ice Age stuff. Its bad this year.

-S

[FIREWALL]

Seems we will actually be getting an Ice Age. Not good.

http://www.dailytech.com/Solar+Activity+Diminishes+Researchers+Predict+Anot her+Ice+Age/article10630.htm

-S

PS. I think we need to get more SUV's and fast and possibly turn this around a little! :D


I was looking for a good excuse to go out and buy a Hummer :p

[SUBMAN1]

Seems we will actually be getting an Ice Age. Not good.

http://www.dailytech.com/Solar+Activity+Diminishes+Researchers+Predict+Anot her+Ice+Age/article10630.htm

-S

PS. I think we need to get more SUV's and fast and possibly turn this around a little! :D

I was looking for a good excuse to go out and buy a Hummer :p I almost bought an H2 once, but the blind spots on the right front corner of that thing are terrible. I almost ran over a cadillac on a test drive since this lady sped up to get in front of me and I couldn't even see her do it!

-S

[Tchocky]

It Was Cold Today! No To Global Warming!

EDIT - Thinking about the topic title - probably not.

[nikimcbee]

Well, technicaly, the last ice age isnt really over yet...Well, now you get another one. :down:

-S

Elect Hillary Clinton now! She will save us all. All of her hot air will keep the planet warm.:up:

[SUBMAN1]

Elect Hillary Clinton now! She will save us all. All of her hot air will keep the planet warm.:up:Why would we need to elect her for her hot air? She will still continue to spill hot air regardless of what position she takes anyway!

In the end, we are all screwed. Hairy is an emotional wreck. SHe keeps shedding tears over this election. Seven to eight times now. This is exactly the person I want with their finger on the button - NOT! Maybe she thinks she can cry her way to the top.

Obama is an unproven suit. We could have a 9/11 happen and he would still be up their talking about change a month after it happened all the while waiting for his advisors to come to an idea.

McCain? I'm not even sure what party he represents, and he seems to be sitting around waiting for what other people say he should do instead of being a leader.

Who's left? Romney? Huckabee? Do they even have a chance?

What happened to Thompson? Thompson screwed up by not talking as effectively as he needed to.

Ugghhh!!!! The worst campaign in History that I can remember. Bush is a better choice than all of them!!!!!

-S

PS. Now you got me started. I'm going to stop now! :x

[nikimcbee]

Elect Hillary Clinton now! She will save us all. All of her hot air will keep the planet warm.:up:Why would we need to elect her for her hot air? She will still continue to spill hot air regardless of what position she takes anyway!

-S

wait, you're not into the socialism thing??? i thought you were;) my bad:rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

wait, you're not into the socialism thing??? i thought you were;) my bad:rotfl:

Don't even get me started! :D

-S

[August]

McCain? I'm not even sure what party he represents, and he seems to be sitting around waiting for what other people say he should do instead of being a leader.

I'm no great fan of McCain but making up his own mind has never been a problem for him afaik.

As for not knowing what party he represents, I would think that's a darn good sign of a Centrist, which is, imo what this country needs...

[M. Sarsfield]

Seeing how we've only been tracking climate for the past 100 years or so, I'd like to see a few more hundred years of collected data (not presumed from dirt and ice samples). Besides, volcanos dump a lot more crap into the atmosphere than even the oldest, dumpiest eastern bloc factory.

[Tchocky]

Seeing how we've only been tracking climate for the past 100 years or so, I'd like to see a few more hundred years of collected data (not presumed from dirt and ice samples). Besides, volcanos dump a lot more crap into the atmosphere than even the oldest, dumpiest eastern bloc factory.
Well, volcanoes have always been venting, and the fact that they've been doing so for 4 billion years says that there's a cycle.
What's new? We are.

[Skybird]

Well, volcanoes have always been venting, and the fact that they've been doing so for 4 billion years says that there's a cycle.
What's new? We are.
Yes, and I wpould recommnd some people here to inform themselves about the micro- and macro-cycles of weather and climate developement, and what is meant by that.

What this refusal of climate change is all about, is this: to stubbornly stomp oner's feet when one is demanded to change one's way of living, because the situation has changed and oneself is being called responsible for that.

One also better starts to differ between cause and symptoms. Climate research has already shown that in the future we can expect certain "paradoxical" effects that seem to indicate a cooling - but are of temporary nature only and nevertheless are caused by a global warming, and are representing a micro-cycle caused by this phenomenen which itself is not representing a macrocycle of earth'S climate undergoing another of it'S many shifts during history, but has developed irregularities in amazingly short time that (by random chance only, of course) coincides with the appearance of man's activities on earth - how could that have any meaning... Better collect another couple of centuries more data, as some lemming above suggested - that secures a life by the old habits, and being buried by the old rites after the jump off the cliffs.

One thing by which evolution is deciding survival or failure of species, is their ability to adapt while there is time. seen that way, this threat sees some dinosaurs on parade. Have been there - why doing it again...

[CCIP]

You know what my problem with the whole global warming debate is?

People who don't believe in global warming use their stance as an excuse to justify pollution. Wake up folks, you're throwing tons of poisonous substances into the athmosphere. Don't you think, whatever the effect it's going to have on climate, the effect those substances will have on YOU isn't a great thing? :hmm:

I don't think there's any question that, carbon or no carbon, the emissions produced by transportation and industry are extremely harmful and bad for health. Honestly, I don't care how hot or cold it is - it's hard to breathe on smog days. And volcanoes and solar radiation ain't causing that.

[bradclark1]

As for not knowing what party he represents, I would think that's a darn good sign of a Centrist, which is, imo what this country needs...
I'll be voting for him. Don't agree with him on a few things but he's the best of the available choices.

Back on topic:
Mildest winter since I've been here. I was in a tee shirt one day last week (62F ?).

[bradclark1]

I also have friends in AZ, and one of them was out walkin ghis dog and found ice in a puddle! This is in a place that never sees ice and is known to be hot year round!

Crazy cold weather. Something wierd is going on - I believe this Ice Age stuff. Its bad this year.

-S
TEMPERATURE – Winter season cold air masses from Canada occasionally penetrate into the state bringing air temperatures well below zero in the high plateau and mountainous regions of central and northern Arizona. Historically, the lowest air temperature readings have reached –35oF. High temperatures are common throughout the summer months at lower elevations. Temperatures exceeding 125oF have been observed within the desert areas. Great extremes in air temperature occur between daytime and nighttime hours throughout Arizona. The range in daily maximum and minimum temperatures occasionally exceeds 50oF during the drier portions of the year. During winter months daytime temperatures may average 70oF while nighttime temperatures often fall to freezing or slightly below in desert valleys. During summer the pine forests in the central portion of the state may exhibit afternoon temperatures of 80oF while nighttime temperatures drop to 35-40oF.

[kiwi_2005]

Probably old news to the Americans here as its nearly a yr old, watched this the other week.


Exposed: the Climate of Fear
Glenn Beck shows us the other side of the global warming debate which isn't told by the mainstream media, as well as exposes the REAL inconvenient truth for Al Gore

Climate of Fear (Video-google)
http://tinyurl.com/2jtxlk

[August]

At the risk of Skybird calling me a Lemming as well, the way i see it, regardless of its causes, there is nothing we can really do that will have a realistic effect on global warming.

If GW is man made then the only thing we can do that will actually make a difference is to radically lower worldwide human populations. Anything else will soon be made ineffectual as population both continues to grow and more of the world modernizes.

The only way we as a species have EVER lowered our population is either through war, disease or a combination of both. In this case we'd need one that not only kills off a majority of us but also ends in a radically lowered (ie pre industrial) standard of living for the survivors else we'll be right back in the same situation with a few generations.

On the other hand if it is natural then it is something we never have had the power to regulate and all the time and effort we waste fighting about what causes it could be much better spent preparing for what nature and time have in store for us.

[TteFAboB]

People who don't believe in global warming use their stance as an excuse to justify pollution. Wake up folks, you're throwing tons of poisonous substances into the athmosphere. Don't you think, whatever the effect it's going to have on climate, the effect those substances will have on YOU isn't a great thing? :hmm:

Yeah, those people are awful. I much prefer the people who believe in Global Warming and use their stance as an excuse to justify:

1. Ridding the world of 5 billion people.

2. Culling the freedom of people to reproduce on their will.

3. Putting a virus in the water supply to make people infertile.

4. Drinking rat or dog milk.

5. Being dirty (not in the possibly reproductive sense).

6. Ditching air-conditioning in favour of lethargy (lethargic people don't reproduce, work etc).

7. Culling the freedom of people to decide their own funerary rituals and demanding that their bodies be used as fertilizers. How about stuffing mattresses on U-boats?

8. Using manual pumps for irrigation, worsening labor conditions.

9. Adopting an all-punishing car plate system that treats all people, I mean numbers, the same, regardless if they drive 1 mile a week or 50 (which can be easily gauged by their gas bill).

10. Grounding people from flying, unless they are on a mission to save the planet.

11. Interfering with Jewish rituals.

12. Ending Democracy.

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22945744-5000117,00.html

[geetrue]

Nice list TteFAboB (what do they call you for short anyway)

I would like to add this one to the list ...

A society that promotes abortion for the poor, because welfare budgets can't handle the strain.

[STEED]

I just like to say this, go and stick it up your drain pipe. No greenie is going to stop me from having a bloody good fart. :smug: