Worlds deadliest shotgun

[AVGWarhawk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ebtj1jR7c

[sonar732]

SWEEEET! :rock::rock:

[Ishmael]

I saw this and the ones they had mounted on the top of the BW APC. My first thought on countermeasures were the following:

1 or 2 RPG rounds to take out the shotgun mount and EFPs mounted at 45 degree angles to hit the sloped sides at a perpendicular angle.

[Dowly]

Wohoo! Awesome! More weapons to end lives! :rock:

:nope:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

The Taliban just got a new laxative :P

[CCIP]

HOLY MOTHER OF
:o:o:o:o:o:o:o






Why I demand someone mod this one into STALKER! :huh:

[SUBMAN1]

The recoil looks really manageable. I've never shot anythign like that however. Probably because this would be classified as a destructive device, and I don't know anyone with a destructive class license.

-S

[Brag]

Bring a big appetite if ya go duck shootin' :|\\

[VipertheSniper]

I guess that was developed out of the Saiga 12K? Or atleast the idea behind it... In comparision to the Saiga the recoil looks really manageable.

[SUBMAN1]

I guess that was developed out of the Saiga 12K? Or atleast the idea behind it... In comparision to the Saiga the recoil looks really manageable.Totally manageable - way better than a Street sweeper too.

-S

[sonar732]

I saw this and the ones they had mounted on the top of the BW APC. My first thought on countermeasures were the following:

1 or 2 RPG rounds to take out the shotgun mount and EFPs mounted at 45 degree angles to hit the sloped sides at a perpendicular angle.

Leave it to Ishmael to come up with countermeasures to our weapons.:damn:

[Reece]

Totally manageable - way better than a Street sweeper too.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Yahoshua]

It certainly shows alot of influence of the striker 12 and Armsel striker.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armsel_Striker

Bring a big appetite if ya go duck shootin' :|\\

You can only have a maximum of 3 shells in the magazine during fowl hunting.....so that's a no go there bud.

As for some of the terms and/or phrases I have a problem with that I feel the need to elaborate on:

Recoil, or the lack of it, doesn't make the firearm more accurate. Lack of or less recoil in the firearm allows for faster follow-up shots.

Assault is a behavior, not a device (ie. Assault rifle).

Any shotgun can fire lethal rounds, just because a shotgun was designed for the military from the ground up does NOT make it more or less lethal than any other shotgun in existence (who the hell wrote the script for the damn story here?).

[sonar732]

Recoil, or the lack of it, doesn't make the firearm more accurate. Lack of or less recoil in the firearm allows for faster follow-up shots.


Which, in turn, leads to more accurate shots.

[jumpy]

lol
This episode of Future Weapons was showing on discovery 1 this morning. Interesting stuff.

[Rotary Crewman]

Almost as deadly as this sniper rifle. If you hit the target, the round comes back to you!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=laSRfJ8WgwQ

[jumpy]

^

twat! "No more iron"
What were they doing? Shooting at a flat iron plate at a couple of hundred yards?
Fools.

These ranges are more like it:
http://www.fcsa.co.uk/images/radnor/radnor-distances.JPG
http://www.fcsa.co.uk/images/radnor/radnor-targets1000y1.JPG

From the (would you believe it?) '50. Cal Shooters Association UK'. When I first saw the site I was amazed that our government would allow peeps to play with such monsters. Unlike you guys in america, we generally don't have the luxury of being able to play with some of the firearms 'toys' you enjoy. :cry:

[seafarer]

The downside to a rotary magazine full-auto shotgun (for military use anyway), IMO, is the magazine itself though. It's freakin' huge, and looks like it takes a fair bit of time to reload. It's way too bulky to drape a bunch of pre-loaded spare magazines over your body, so your left with using bandoliers or some such, and having to stop and re-fill the magazine after your 20 or 32 rounds are spent. Not a weapon I'd want to be carrying into a firefight.

[sonar732]

The downside to a rotary magazine full-auto shotgun (for military use anyway), IMO, is the magazine itself though. It's freakin' huge, and looks like it takes a fair bit of time to reload. It's way too bulky to drape a bunch of pre-loaded spare magazines over your body, so your left with using bandoliers or some such, and having to stop and re-fill the magazine after your 20 or 32 rounds are spent. Not a weapon I'd want to be carrying into a firefight.

Good point. I would use both...have a standard 12 guage drapped on my shoulder with rounds on my hip for when the big guy ran out of ammo.

[Urspankd]

How about they redesign it and make it a belt fed AA-12!

[Ishmael]

I saw this and the ones they had mounted on the top of the BW APC. My first thought on countermeasures were the following:

1 or 2 RPG rounds to take out the shotgun mount and EFPs mounted at 45 degree angles to hit the sloped sides at a perpendicular angle.

Leave it to Ishmael to come up with countermeasures to our weapons.:damn:

But it's not one of "our" weapns. It was designed for and used by a private mercenary organization with no ties nor alliegance to either Constitution or government. They'll use them for whoever pays them the most money against the "Inevitable Consequence of Progress" of people unable to resist.

[JSLTIGER]

The downside to a rotary magazine full-auto shotgun (for military use anyway), IMO, is the magazine itself though. It's freakin' huge, and looks like it takes a fair bit of time to reload. It's way too bulky to drape a bunch of pre-loaded spare magazines over your body, so your left with using bandoliers or some such, and having to stop and re-fill the magazine after your 20 or 32 rounds are spent. Not a weapon I'd want to be carrying into a firefight.
Good point. I would use both...have a standard 12 guage drapped on my shoulder with rounds on my hip for when the big guy ran out of ammo.

There is an eight round box option though...

[sonar732]

I saw this and the ones they had mounted on the top of the BW APC. My first thought on countermeasures were the following:

1 or 2 RPG rounds to take out the shotgun mount and EFPs mounted at 45 degree angles to hit the sloped sides at a perpendicular angle.
Leave it to Ishmael to come up with countermeasures to our weapons.:damn:
But it's not one of "our" weapns. It was designed for and used by a private mercenary organization with no ties nor alliegance to either Constitution or government. They'll use them for whoever pays them the most money against the "Inevitable Consequence of Progress" of people unable to resist.

You and your left-wing spin crack me up...you obviously have such issues with the contracting companies in Iraq that you can't see the history of the AA 12. The history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun) of this weapon is plainly before Iraq...wait...you'll state that in 1972, we had an interest in giving this weapon plans to our contractors knowing that in the 35 years we'll be in Iraq. They spent another 18 years refinning the weapon.

Beyond our military are elements of Homeland Security that have expressed great interest in the AA-12, such as or the guarding of our nuclear facilities. Foreign governments who are allies of the U.S., such as the Philippines, are also very interested, but in addition to them the AA-12 will be available only to the military and agencies of our Federal Government.

Defense Review Article (http://www.defensereview.com/article892.html) with so many video links you can't shake a stick at...not to mention the continued interest by the US Marine Corps!


It's all a conspiracy!!!!!! :damn::damn::damn::damn:

[STEED]

Now that is a gun I can use when my country breaks down. ;)

[Ishmael]

The weapon I was referring to was the BW APC. But the key question is whether one of those would stop in inbound cruise "model rocket". Besides, if it does get so desperate that I have to give up my vow of non-violence, my target won't be the security contractors but the homes of their bosses and employers.

[sonar732]

The weapon I was referring to was the BW APC.

Really?

I saw this and the ones they had mounted on the top of the BW APC. My first thought on countermeasures were the following:

1 or 2 RPG rounds to take out the shotgun mount and EFPs mounted at 45 degree angles to hit the sloped sides at a perpendicular angle.

Now...we are talking about the AA-12, you follow up with the above quote. The statement regarding the BW APC immediately follows the "I saw this and the ones they had mounted..."

But the key question is whether one of those would stop in inbound cruise "model rocket".

The key question is how the AA-12 will help our Marines fighting in close urban combat...NOT if the Blackwater APC will stop an inbound rocket! :yep::yep:

[silentrunner]

Almost as deadly as this sniper rifle. If you hit the target, the round comes back to you!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=laSRfJ8WgwQ
That kinda reminds me of these neigbors I used to have they were in a group called On Target for Christ. They killed deer and gave to the hungary. Except most of the time they didn't hunt they just fired military weapons they had aquired. The got fined one time for fireing a Browning 30 cal. machine gun in one of the guys back yards.:o

[JSLTIGER]

That video of the sniper rifle is SICK!!!!:rock:

[Boris]

Sad

[Yahoshua]

Recoil, or the lack of it, doesn't make the firearm more accurate. Lack of or less recoil in the firearm allows for faster follow-up shots.


Which, in turn, leads to more accurate shots.

Faster follow-up shots means more rounds into the targets' direction in a shorter time span, not more accuracy.

If I fired a rifle or shotgun that had no recoil whatsoever, I can still flinch or have a hard time aiming the weapon because of weight and/or fatigue from carrying it around. Also, accuracy depends equally on both the shooters' ability to handle the firearm and the firearms' designed accuracy.

An example would be the Remington 870 and a Browning Citori. Both shotguns are capable of perfect accuracy in trap shooting, but their effectiveness depends on the type of ammunition being fired and the ability of the handlers' use of the firearm.

[Yahoshua]

As for the sniper rifle vid. It's best to tilt the plate toward the shooter so impacting rounds will angle downward into the ground when striking the target. Hopefully this guy will learn and remember that lesson.:yep:

[sonar732]

...but their effectiveness depends on the type of ammunition being fired and the ability of the handlers' use of the firearm.

Point taken...which coinsides with my comment about the recoil. If the shooter can't handle the gun; whether it be due to flinching, recoil, or what not, his accuracy will suffer.

[Iceman]

How about they redesign it and make it a belt fed AA-12!

You know that's coming...awesome weapon.

[Jimbuna]

I hope the British army get supplies of this :yep:

[em2nought]

Awesome, I'd love to have one for my hurricane kit.