The Red Baron (2008) Movie Clips

[Stealth Hunter]

VFX Reel (first clip released to the public)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJghJNAjc1k


MovieTrailer (second clip released to the public)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIcgfxSP_f4


Looks awesome. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if it will be released in the United States or not.

[Sailor Steve]

I saw that first clip a long time ago, but the second one is new to me. I'm hoping it's better than the awful Flyboys was, but it looks like some of the CGI planes are doing some pretty impossible stuff, like instantly rolling right between two oncoming planes. Still, I'm looking forward to it.

As to a US release, if they don't , it will be on DVD soon enough. Still, I'd like to see it on the big screen.

[STEED]

Not sure on the grounds there was stuff in there that was plain BS. In the terms, how historically accurate is it?

[Platapus]

I hope the awful music in the trailer is not in the music. period music would be much better, even if newly composed.

Neither clip really explained the story or the movie. I hope it is not just special effects

[Stealth Hunter]

Not sure on the grounds there was stuff in there that was plain BS. In the terms, how historically accurate is it?

9/10 on the accuracy. Notice the guy with the nightcap? That was Kurt Wolff, and that was also true to history. How about Voss' paint scheme? Also correct.

[Heibges]

A trailer for Peter Jackson's Crossing the Line also appears as a Related Video on the same link.

It looks pretty off the hook.

[Reaves]

Camels ftw!

[Stealth Hunter]

Camels ftw!

Fokker DR.1.:stare:

[Biggles]

I'd love it if these kind of movies became a smash hit, 'cause then maybe the gaming industry would hook up. WWI Dogfighting was truly something of another world, and the best game that has tried to handle it is the Over Flanders Fields mod (freeware that is), which is based on Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3. Now I want something real though!

[Boris]

Honestly, these clips look as if like they're from flyboys 2. The action looks way overdone, and I get the impression they're going with am annoying modern edge to get the young audience. I hope I'm wrong

[Dowly]

I'd love it if these kind of movies became a smash hit, 'cause then maybe the gaming industry would hook up. WWI Dogfighting was truly something of another world, and the best game that has tried to handle it is the Over Flanders Fields mod (freeware that is), which is based on Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3. Now I want something real though!
True, but the movies would have to be like Das Boot. Or otherwise we'd have gaming industry make tons of arcade shooters that just happens happen between aircraft.

As for the movie itself, it looks awfully fast paced. In a bad way that is. Some of the scenes look like the planes are going 450km/h. Also, wtf was that scene where the pilot shot the zeppelin with a flare gun? Rrrrright...

[August]

Camels ftw!
Fokker DR.1.:stare:

Underpowered and dangerous to fly.

Now the Dr.7 was the Fokker to have on the western front imo.

[Skybird]

And there I was, wondering about what mighty specs a PC would need to run this sim... :damn:

[sonar732]

And there I was, wondering about what mighty specs a PC would need to run this sim... :damn:

I was hoping to see a Snoopy-Red Barron music video. ;):rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[Biggles]

Hm, Dowly, you know that some pilots where equipped with singal pistols, and obs. balloons were a prioritated target. However, balloon busting missions was EXTREMELY dangerous.

[Dowly]

Hm, Dowly, you know that some pilots where equipped with singal pistols, and obs. balloons were a prioritated target. However, balloon busting missions was EXTREMELY dangerous.

Yep, and what I also know is that the flare takes up to the wind easily. And considering the distance to the balloon and that era flare guns + add the wind there might be and the motion of the aircraft going 130+km/h. :roll:

[Oberon]

Some of those kites seem to be performing like F-18s and MiG-29s :p
However, it does make a nice change to see some Sopwiths and Fokkers taking the limelight. :up:

[Oberon]

Hm, Dowly, you know that some pilots where equipped with singal pistols, and obs. balloons were a prioritated target. However, balloon busting missions was EXTREMELY dangerous.

Yep, and what I also know is that the flare takes up to the wind easily. And considering the distance to the balloon and that era flare guns + add the wind there might be and the motion of the aircraft going 130+km/h. :roll:

I always thought they used incendary bullets for obs balloons rather than a Very pistol... :hmm: Bit of Hollywood-ing there, methinks.

[StdDev]

Camels ftw!
Fokker DR.1.:stare:

Underpowered and dangerous to fly.

Now the Dr.7 was the Fokker to have on the western front imo.

Fokker D-VII (D7) did not go into combat production until after Manfred's death.

The DR 1 was actually a fairly (relatively) nimble aircraft that could out manouver most other aircraft.. but it was slow.

Balloon busting was extremely dangerous because of the concentration of antiaircraft guns positioned around them.. the chances of taking one out with a flare gun is pretty d*mn low.. and if the pilot was not concentrating on dodging the AA fire, taking the time to load and fire a flare pistol at the balloon would prolly (I know.. probably.. easier to spell prolly :p ) be his last act.

At least the clips show some Albatross DIIIs in action (Richtoffen made 56 of his 80 confirmed kills in an Albaross DIII) ... unlike Flyboys where you'd think the Germans only flew DR 1s.

[Officerpuppy]

http://http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/index_en.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Baron_(film)

I might see an Euro release only but who knows, maybe it will be screened in those indie type move theaters as well, if not, the dvd release will surely come to the US coast.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Camels ftw!
Fokker DR.1.:stare:

I remember when I shot one of those down in Red Baron 3D. My mum came in and said "Did you get one?" I said "Yeah, I just shot a Fokker."

"WHAT DID YOU SAY?! :stare:"

:arrgh!:

[Oberon]

"Yes Michael, but those Fokkers were Messerschmits!" ;) :lol:

[Dowly]

Camels ftw!
Fokker DR.1.:stare:
I remember when I shot one of those down in Red Baron 3D. My mum came in and said "Did you get one?" I said "Yeah, I just shot a Fokker."

"WHAT DID YOU SAY?! :stare:"

:arrgh!:

:rotfl:

[Jimbuna]

Camels ftw!
Fokker DR.1.:stare:

I remember when I shot one of those down in Red Baron 3D. My mum came in and said "Did you get one?" I said "Yeah, I just shot a Fokker."

"WHAT DID YOU SAY?! :stare:"

:arrgh!:

LOL :rotfl:

[Biggles]

The Camel was a real bugger to fly, but performed well. Apparently it could do a bloody fast right turn. It's also stated that amongst the allied aircrafts, pilots using the Sopwith Camel shot down the highest number of enemies.

Otherwise, the S.E.5a was a real treat according to some.

[XabbaRus]

Crap. Seen better IL-2 movies.

Oh the Red Baron got his kills more from stalking than dogfighting.

[Biggles]

Oh the Red Baron got his kills more from stalking than dogfighting.

Same goes for Erich Hartmann.

[Stealth Hunter]

As for the movie itself, it looks awfully fast paced. In a bad way that is. Some of the scenes look like the planes are going 450km/h. Also, wtf was that scene where the pilot shot the zeppelin with a flare gun? Rrrrright...

Remember that planes accelerate when going in dives. Also, it's a balloon, not a zeppelin, and flare guns were occasionally used against them when incendiary ammunition was low.

Underpowered and dangerous to fly.

The DR.1 was actually a much more nimble aircraft than any available at the time (better than the Camel). Although slow, it was a great dogfighter to experienced pilots, such as Werner Voss' last battle. Voss, against 5 British aces from No. 56 Squadron, single handedly engaged every one of them, putting rounds into every plane. Unfortunately, he made one fatal flying error that cost him the battle: he flew head on into the fire of Arthur Rhys Davids. The rounds apparently wounded Voss, and he either died in the cockpit or lost consciousness, for the Fokker went into a steep dive and made no attempt to pull up thereafter, smashing itself into a thousand fragments on the ground below.

In the case of Heinrich Gontermann, however, he was just a stupid buck trying to impress his Jasta by doing dangerous loops and dives. Thus, the upper wing broke away, and he smashed into the Earth, killing him instantly.

The DR.1 wasn't a bad plane. When given to a competent and skilled pilot, it could decide the very outcome of a battle. Aces such as Voss, the Richthofen brothers (Manfred and Lothar), Wolff, and Lowenhardt knew how to handle the plane adequately, and in the time that they did use them, it was to great success. Do note, however, that Lowenhardt was the only one who did not die in a DR.1 in combat. He was killed August 10, 1918 when he collided with Leutnant Alfred Wenz of his Jasta. He attempted to bail, and although he did his best, his parachute failed and he plunged to his death from 12,000-12,500 feet.

The D.VII, though, was definitely the best fighter of the war on any front, however; although one must remember that even the D.VII was not able to match the DR.1's amazing climbing abilities (hence the nickname "elevator"). The WORST plane of the war, however, I'd say was the fragile and underarmed Halberstadt. With only one Spandau machine gun and a very slow speed, the plane was vulnerable to enemy attack and was prone to break to pieces whilst going down.

[Gorduz]

I don't like the flying action at all, half of the fun with playing the old Red Baron game was its slow pace. You got an enemy on your tail, but you cannot just du anything to shake him ,I dont know how many times I ruined my plane by flying out of its structural limit.. Actions should be slow paced and with suspence, not like this :nope: And way to many planes I think as well.

[Stealth Hunter]

You mean Red Baron 3D? Red Baron (1990) was very fast in pace. Dogfights might last a maximum of two minutes!

[Gorduz]

I mean the original one. And I know for sure I could not du the stuff they are doing in the movie.

[Biggles]

Try OFF. Really, you never know what's about to happen. Once me and my other two Camels got jumped by an entire flying circus (not Monty's);) of at least 20 Fokkers over No-mans-land. I thought I was buggered, but then a big bunch of Pups came out of the clouds and it resulted in a huge dogfight with machines tearing eachother to pieces everywhere! And under us, the battle of the trenches raged on, the artillery hammer on so that you can hear the blasts from quite an altitude.

Talking about aircraft safety, it was much bigger chance to survive a crash in World War I than beyond. Slower planes, made of wood, you know.

Oh, and if you'd ever get in a spin in an Avro 504, you'd never get out.

[elanaiba]

Looks good, but those planes are definetly out of their envelope. IMO of course.

[mrbeast]

Looks pretty good to me, I wouldn't take it as a documentary on WWI fighter planes but its cool that there are some WWI films in the pipeline.

As to the portrayal of the WWI aircraft I'm not sure how realistic it is. Think most people are famliar with the way that a WWII era fighter or a modern jet moves through the air but would a WWI era aircraft behave in the same way? A Sopwith Camel or a DR.1 was esentially a stiffened wind sock with an engine at one end, they were of very light construction compared to an all metal aircraft. So for example the effect of the wind and air currents might be greater.

Does anyone have any information of the performance of WWI era aircraft?

Also I was watching the trailer for Peter Jackson's new WWI film and something strikes me as being a little odd, namely the landscape in the scenes........was this film made in New Zealand? :hmm:

[Sailor Steve]

The Camel was a real bugger to fly, but performed well. Apparently it could do a bloody fast right turn. It's also stated that amongst the allied aircrafts, pilots using the Sopwith Camel shot down the highest number of enemies.

Otherwise, the S.E.5a was a real treat according to some.
Yes, but more than 5000 Camels were built. It's kind of like the Grumman Hellcat in WW2: highest kill-to-loss ratio of any aircraft of the war, but then they built 7000 of them in just two years.

[stabiz]

Wow, they couldnt have done much worse with the music.:stare: It would fit American Pie 29 better.

[Biggles]

Wait, Peter Jackson is making a WWI movie? I had no idea...

[STEED]

I have no interest in modern big SFX films as the story lines are always naff. I got better things to do with £20 than wast it on seeing a drul film.

[nikimcbee]

Camels ftw!
Fokker DR.1.:stare:

I remember when I shot one of those down in Red Baron 3D. My mum came in and said "Did you get one?" I said "Yeah, I just shot a Fokker."

"WHAT DID YOU SAY?! :stare:"

:arrgh!:

time to suck on some soap.

[nikimcbee]

Wait, Peter Jackson is making a WWI movie? I had no idea...

Yeah. its called: "Hobbits at the Western Front."