A rant

[Penelope_Grey]

Ok this I don't get at all... I can take off and land a jumbo jet in a high winds in FSX... yet in IL2 I can't even get the sucker to lift off even on nice days, heaven only knows what I would do in mid air.

Another thing that winds me up a treat about IL2 is that you can't actually click stuff in the cockpit to operate things... so you really do have to memorise the keyboard and that aint an easy task there are sooo many buttons... honest to god, how do you play this thing?

Its like trying to dig a ditch with a teaspoon!!

I know I said I was going to learn but this is like trying to learn photoshop a learning curve like a hook!

End transmission.

[Skybird]

I would say a good HOTAS and a clever keymapping is almost as much a must as are rudder pedals in IL2. TrackIR is nice, but goes third only.

What is your stick and throttle?

If you have FSX, get an addon aircraft with 1-2 undercarriage configuration, or even an old fighter to practice landings and takeoffs - in these regards I always considered IL2 to be a bit weired, or strange. If FSX includes a default acrobatics plane, you have a good chance that that has the old undercarriage configuration as well.

[Penelope_Grey]

Well thanks for that Skybird, but whats a HOTAS?

I think FSX is just plain different to IL2 so all my practicing in FSX for flight basics... the so called realistic simulator were for nought.:cry:

[Skybird]

HOTAS: hands on throttle and stick. It is a combo of stick and throttle with many buttons on them, famous devices are Cougar, Saitek X-somenumber, and CH gear. You program keyboard functions onto the buttons and that way can call up to dozens of commands without needing to use the keyboard, which is nice when being in the middle of a fight. Also, if not using TrackIR, you can put padlock commands onto your device, which helps enormously to maintain SA. You use them blindly, like a musician plays the sax without looking at the buttons.

Oh, SA. Situational Awareness. :)

I have a Spitfire, a BF109 and a Hurricane for FS9, and muist say their flightmodel is less hectic, less hypersensitive and more believable than in IL2. while the flight dynamics in IL2 are showing plenty of diversity and in that regard serve their purpose, I never were too enthusiastic about them. I find them feeling "too light", and almost hysteric for most planes. Callibration of input sensitivity must be conducted with great care and lot of expermenting. My favourite plane in IL2 was the Hurricane, for that reason. for IL2, it had not enough "bite", though.

Landing and taking off with a 1-2 and 2-1 gear confoguration makes big differences in how it is done, and even how you manage to keep on the runway when you can't see anything at the front. Landing is done faster, but not as steep with an old WWII fighter. It is easy to bounce, but hard to land, and they had more accidents for that reason back then. I found it very helpful to practice all this in FS8 and then going back to IL2 - the training really helped me immensely.

You should try it, if you have problems with landing and taking off. that way you get a better image of how it should be done, ideally. there are free downloads for a good hurricane and BF109 available, including virtual cockpits. search this foirum, i or somebody else have posted links some months ago. Or buy a package. for the soitfrire, there are several good packages available. I choosed the one by RealAir. chances are there is an acrobatic plane in FSX included - that maybe will have a 2-1 gear configuration, like older aircraft of WWII.

I do not fly IL2 much anymore. It seems my years when I enjoyed to be in the middle of a hectic messup are over, and the flight models and functionality simply do not give me what I am now looking for in a flightsim. These days I prefer co0mplex functionality beasts with hundreds of systems, lights and switches, or acrobatics. Currently heading for a dedicated soaring simulation.

[danlisa]

LOL Pen. IL2 is so much easier to grasp the basics of than MS FS.

To take off in IL2:

Press (I) to start engine
Apply Take Off Flaps (F x2)
Apply parking Brake (B press & hold)
Power up throttle (about 80-90%)
Release brake (take finger off B)
Apply left/right rudder (as required, easy if you have a twisty joystick)
Power up to 100%
As you accelerate, your tail will bounce, apply some forward tilt on the joystick to lift your tail.
When you hit approx 100kph, start to pull up.
When airbourne, retract gear & raise flaps (V x2)

You're now flying.:up:

As for there being too many keys to remember, well, after awhile you learn what you need and even then during dogfights, you'll only need a fraction of what's available.

Failing that, the best way to learn is jump in with the lads. They'll get you airbourne very quickly. I think we had Jim in the air after the first couple of tries.

[Penelope_Grey]

No, its embarassing to suck at something in front of people. At least I can suck in private and not feel that bad.

I don't have a twisty joystick, but I actually crashed the plane while on the ground! I didn't know it was possible to crash a plane and be on the ground.

[danlisa]

Let me guess, you kept drifting off to the left or right. Which then in turn caused you to put the prop in to the ground.

To take off in IL2 you need to apply rudder correction. As I said, easier with a twisty joystick but you can do it via the keyboard. IIRC, it's the , & . keys but you'll need to make sure by looking in the ingame control screen.

[Penelope_Grey]

ugh....

If I'm having trouble taking off, Im wondering what Im gonna do for landings....:oops:

[Skybird]

ugh....

If I'm having trouble taking off, Im wondering what Im gonna do for landings....:oops:

Exactly. Not to mention winds from the side (are these simulated in IL2? I do not remember).

Pen, you need analogue rudder control for aimin at the enemy, for maitaining control on the ground when rolling, and landing, too. Get a twisting stick as a compromise, or rudders pedals. If you don'T, I am sure it is only a question of time before you give up on IL2 in frustration. You NEED rudder control during dogfights, else you cannot have your bullets flying where you really want them - the opportunity to score a kill will be over long before you have managed to get your sights onto the target.

If the target does not roll or turn.

The torque of the propeller makes the plane moving left or right while on the ground, since the torque chnages with chnaging throttle settings, the movement also chnages. Trying to compensate that with keys only is - well... why not play a nice game of chess instead. :D

Also, where is the feeling of actually flying (even if only simulated) when hacking around on your keyboard?

[XabbaRus]

Pen don't worry about landings, Kratos and Hunter gave up on them a long time ago.

Keep trying we had a lot of fun tonight.

[Skybird]

Pen don't worry about landings, Kratos and Hunter gave up on them a long time ago.

Keep trying we had a lot of fun tonight.
"Heretic...!"

:lol:

[Kratos]

Pen don't worry about landings, Kratos and Hunter gave up on them a long time ago.

Keep trying we had a lot of fun tonight.

cheers for that Xabbaus :oops:

[Dowly]

Skybird is right, a joystick with a twist handle for the rudder is almost as important as the joystick itself. My old old old joystick didnt have the twist handle and with a bit of luck, I maybe got 2 kills a mission, bombers mainly. Not much of a change against fighters. :yep:

[Penelope_Grey]

Thanks for the tips... I suppose I best invest...

oh well I got the game for £3 can't have it all ways. :D

[XabbaRus]

Pen get a cyborg evo no need to get the force feedback one. It is a good stick and the price is good.

[NiclDoe]

Well thanks for that Skybird, but whats a HOTAS?

I think FSX is just plain different to IL2 so all my practicing in FSX for flight basics... the so called realistic simulator were for nought.:cry:
Dont worry about it just fly normally and fly with us we need a sexy ledy to fly with us;)

[Kratos]

Dont worry about it just fly normally and fly with us we need a sexy ledy to fly with us;)

settle down there man-cub...Its your aircraft thats suppose to take you to great heights not your hormones. http://www.simhq.com/forum/images/moods/default/cowboy.gif ;)

[Dowly]

Dont worry about it just fly normally and fly with us we need a sexy ledy to fly with us;)
settle down there man-cub...Its your aircraft thats suppose to take you to great heights not your hormones. http://www.simhq.com/forum/images/moods/default/cowboy.gif ;)

:rotfl:

[kylesplanet]

Ok this I don't get at all... I can take off and land a jumbo jet in a high winds in FSX... yet in IL2 I can't even get the sucker to lift off even on nice days, heaven only knows what I would do in mid air.

Another thing that winds me up a treat about IL2 is that you can't actually click stuff in the cockpit to operate things... so you really do have to memorise the keyboard and that aint an easy task there are sooo many buttons... honest to god, how do you play this thing?

Its like trying to dig a ditch with a teaspoon!!

I know I said I was going to learn but this is like trying to learn photoshop a learning curve like a hook!

End transmission.

I just got IL2 two days ago and I'm as lost as you, probably more. I forgeting you can't click anything and I really miss my 2D panel.:x I will admit I have had a ball riding around in a B-25 bomber, switching to different positions in the plane, I really like being in the top gun turrett if there are some bad guys close enough and playing bombadier. Maybe we'll figure it out.:hmm:

[NiclDoe]

Dont worry about it just fly normally and fly with us we need a sexy ledy to fly with us;)

settle down there man-cub...Its your aircraft thats suppose to take you to great heights not your hormones. http://www.simhq.com/forum/images/moods/default/cowboy.gif ;)
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[TarJak]

No, its embarassing to suck at something in front of people. At least I can suck in private and not feel that bad.

I don't have a twisty joystick, but I actually crashed the plane while on the ground! I didn't know it was possible to crash a plane and be on the ground.I took to the air (finally) with the lads on the weekend. It took me 6 wrecks to get the hang of taking off all of which were in front of them. They may have laughed but I couldn't hear it on TS and once I got airborne I didn't need to worry about landing, I either crashed the plane myself from stalls or spins or got shot down. I'm not concerned I'll be back when I can match time zones and have another crack and hopefully will be better next time. In the meantime I'll practise when I have time and keep trying.

[Dowly]

No, its embarassing to suck at something in front of people. At least I can suck in private and not feel that bad.

I don't have a twisty joystick, but I actually crashed the plane while on the ground! I didn't know it was possible to crash a plane and be on the ground.I took to the air (finally) with the lads on the weekend. It took me 6 wrecks to get the hang of taking off all of which were in front of them. They may have laughed but I couldn't hear it on TS...
Aye, we all had the same problems when we started. IL2 has one of the most complex flight models you get in flightsims. Once you get hang of it, all other flightsims feel arcadish, trust me. ;)

And here's the basics of recovering from a stall. There's two main things ppl use, either ease up on the throttle and give rudder to opposite side of the spin and then there's the way of putting your throttle to the max and giving rudder to the opposite direction of the spin, this however varies between the planes, some might need an rudder to the direction of the stall. You can see which is the right way by looking at your speed dial, when the speed is rising, that's the way to use rudder on. The latter method is what I use, obviously because stalling means the plane doesnt have the speed to maintain itself in the air anymore.

Here's an example of a stall and what I do to get out of it. My plane stalls and starts to spin to the left. I throttle up to the max, push my stick forward and to the top-left corner and apply full rudder to the right. Depending of the speed, your plain should wobble abit after a few seconds and go into a straight dive. This is the part where most rookies make the mistake by pulling the stick too hard to level up and instead of surviving, they go to another stall, which will be worse than the first one because of the low speed. No matter how close to the ground you are DO NOT pull the stick hard!! If you dont have the altitude to pull up gently, then you die, but by pulling the stick too hard you lose the changes to recover you had in the first place.

[HunterICX]

No, its embarassing to suck at something in front of people. At least I can suck in private and not feel that bad.

I don't have a twisty joystick, but I actually crashed the plane while on the ground! I didn't know it was possible to crash a plane and be on the ground.I took to the air (finally) with the lads on the weekend. It took me 6 wrecks to get the hang of taking off all of which were in front of them. They may have laughed but I couldn't hear it on TS...

Aye, we all had the same problems when we started. IL2 has one of the most complex flight models you get in flightsims. Once you get hang of it, all other flightsims feel arcadish, trust me. ;)

Its still a bit tricky sometimes, especially when the damage model kicks in.
try to land with a couple of holes here an there, too slow and you roll over and crash

HunterICX

[Dowly]

No, its embarassing to suck at something in front of people. At least I can suck in private and not feel that bad.

I don't have a twisty joystick, but I actually crashed the plane while on the ground! I didn't know it was possible to crash a plane and be on the ground.I took to the air (finally) with the lads on the weekend. It took me 6 wrecks to get the hang of taking off all of which were in front of them. They may have laughed but I couldn't hear it on TS...
Aye, we all had the same problems when we started. IL2 has one of the most complex flight models you get in flightsims. Once you get hang of it, all other flightsims feel arcadish, trust me. ;)
Its still a bit tricky sometimes, especially when the damage model kicks in.
try to land with a couple of holes here an there, too slow and you roll over and crash

HunterICX
True mate. When your wing gets holed, then the dance with the death begins. ;)

[Kratos]

@ Tarjak you were no better or worse than me when I first took to the game,'''some would say I'm getting no better''' just get yourself in single missions and a bit of practise and you''ll be up there slugging it out. ;) Come to think of it a free for all dogfight might not have been the ideal scenario for you at the weekend,the co-op mission might have been better suited.That way everyone might have had a bit time to explain a few basics while we were all sitting on the runway for take-off :up:

[HunterICX]

@ Tarjak you were no better or worse than me when I first took to the game,'''some would say I'm getting no better''' just get yourself in single missions and a bit of practise and you''ll be up there slugging it out. ;) Come to think of it a free for all dogfight might not have been the ideal scenario for you at the weekend,the co-op mission might have been better suited.That way everyone might have had a bit time to explain a few basics while we were all sitting on the runway for take-off :up:

The thing was we didnt took the time to explain Tarjak stuff

a Co-op would be even worse
as everytime someone crashes I need to restart the whole map.
with a Dogfight server you just hit Refly and try again.

so the next time Tarjak or Penny are up for a flight we are going to act as flying instructors.

HunterICX

[Kratos]

Sounds like a good idea :up:
will you teach me as well :p

[Dowly]

Sounds like a good idea :up:
will you teach me as well :p

Nah, you know everything you need to know already. The position of the cord in parachute. :rotfl:

[kylesplanet]

Well here is a real embarassing thing. I was taking off fine in the B-25 but I cranked up the realism and started a fighter campaign and could'nt get off the ground. I kept winding up to the left and up on my nose.:nope:

I was at the point that I was ready to fling the joystick out the window until I ran thru the controller assignments. Damn.:oops: Somehow I had the axis reversed:oops: :damn:

Well I'm getting off the ground now but the flight leader stays on my butt constantly and I'm pretty much getting smoked.

[NiclDoe]

Sounds like a good idea :up:
will you teach me as well :p
me 3 :lol:

[CCIP]

Damn guys, I want to join you so badly (have wanted to for months now), but I just need a break at work/school :doh:

[HunterICX]

Damn guys, I want to join you so badly (have wanted to for months now), but I just need a break at work/school :doh:

the hangar door is always open mate :yep:

HunterICX

[XabbaRus]

Maybe when tarjak and Penelope are flying the rest of us should all fly a different plane representing different abilities. Then they take us on one at a time while the rest of us circle and watch the fight and give advice or better yet we all sit on the ground except for one instructor so that the rest don't crash while viewing, then when instructor is shot down or crashes the next one goes up.

That way they can figure out some moves.

[Dowly]

..then when instructor is shot down or crashes the next one goes up.

Sooo, how many hours have you reserved for this? :rotfl:

[FIREWALL]

Ok this I don't get at all... I can take off and land a jumbo jet in a high winds in FSX... yet in IL2 I can't even get the sucker to lift off even on nice days, heaven only knows what I would do in mid air.

Another thing that winds me up a treat about IL2 is that you can't actually click stuff in the cockpit to operate things... so you really do have to memorise the keyboard and that aint an easy task there are sooo many buttons... honest to god, how do you play this thing?

Its like trying to dig a ditch with a teaspoon!!

I know I said I was going to learn but this is like trying to learn photoshop a learning curve like a hook!

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What joystick do you have ?

[XabbaRus]

..then when instructor is shot down or crashes the next one goes up.
Sooo, how many hours have you reserved for this? :rotfl:

I reckon about 1/2 hour should do. :rotfl:

[Mikey_Wolf]

Ah Penelope, some people just aren't meant to fly, perhaps you should stick to U-Boat's where you are safe.:D

[Kratos]

Ah Penelope, some people just aren't meant to fly, perhaps you should stick to U-Boat's where you are safe.:D


Ouch!!!!! I can hear the slap from here...:lol:

[Dowly]

Ah Penelope, some people just aren't meant to fly, perhaps you should stick to U-Boat's where you are safe.:D

Ouch!!!!! I can hear the slap from here...:lol:

:yep:

[Penelope_Grey]

Ah Penelope, some people just aren't meant to fly, perhaps you should stick to U-Boat's where you are safe.:D

Up yours brother!

In fact triple up yours!! You said the same thing about SH3 and I am just as good as you are at it.. when I get the right joystick and the time to play it, watch your arse, because I will show you how its done.

This is not over, not by any stretch.:hulk:

[Dowly]

http://www.funnyville.com/funny-pictures/scared.jpg

[Oberon]

:o

I'm doomed if I ever log on again, aren't I? :lol:

[Kratos]

MAM!!!! ''THERE FIGHTING AGAIN'' ;)

run Mikey while you still can :D






http://www.free-animations.co.uk/transport/aircraft/images/aircraft_32.gif http://www.free-animations.co.uk/transport/aircraft/images/aircraft_5.gif
Penny's a coming to get you :p

[HunterICX]

Ah Penelope, some people just aren't meant to fly, perhaps you should stick to U-Boat's where you are safe.:D

Up yours brother!

In fact triple up yours!! You said the same thing about SH3 and I am just as good as you are at it.. when I get the right joystick and the time to play it, watch your arse, because I will show you how its done.

This is not over, not by any stretch.:hulk:

:smug: thats the spirit girl!

never give up!

HunterICX

[NiclDoe]

Go Penny!!!!:lol: Kick him!!!! :rock: :rock: Come on IL2 please and fly the BI-6 1942 its rocket awesome becuase i got Hunter in it

[XabbaRus]

OK guys this should be fun at the weekend.

I'm just going to circle and watch.

[TarJak]

I might just have pay a visit this weekend as well.

[Kratos]

Yea a might be there as well ..if they keep the stupid jets off the server :shifty:

[Dowly]

Yea a might be there as well ..if they keep the stupid jets off the server :shifty:

:yep:

[Oberon]

Yea a might be there as well ..if they keep the stupid jets off the server :shifty:

:yep:

Jets? Flying BBQs most of them :lol:

[Dowly]

Yea a might be there as well ..if they keep the stupid jets off the server :shifty:
:yep:
Jets? Flying BBQs most of them :lol:

Yep, but when they arent, you cant catch them and it becomes quite boring for the players that dont use jets. Like in the last game, Nicldoe was in his BI jet, I was in my 109. He couldnt hit me, but I couldnt catch him either, he only had to give up when he ran out of fuel.

[Oberon]

Yea a might be there as well ..if they keep the stupid jets off the server :shifty:
:yep:
Jets? Flying BBQs most of them :lol:

Yep, but when they arent, you cant catch them and it becomes quite boring for the players that dont use jets. Like in the last game, Nicldoe was in his BI jet, I was in my 109. He couldnt hit me, but I couldnt catch him either, he only had to give up when he ran out of fuel.

Yeah, the only time I managed to get a 262 was Kratos, I was in a Hurri, and I managed to spook him into too sharp a climb or turn and I think he stalled and got into a spin. Unfortunately, all during the chase I had pushed my engine waaaay beyond its limits, and it promptly stopped shortly after Kratos went into a spin. I managed to crashland next to his flaming wreckage, have a screenshot lying around somewhere of the landing :lol:

[XabbaRus]

The jets are dumb. You take ages to get up speed just to lose it in a turn and when you bump your throttle up your engine catches fire.

Though saying that did anyone see my attempts to fly that BI-6 ramjet rocket thing at the weekend?

[Dowly]

Well, here's a rant for you. The AI in IL2 has to be the most stupid I have ever seen on a flightsim! On my current BoB campaign, I have been rammed 3 times, the crappy fecks have stolen my kills half a dozen times and I have been literally been shot down twice thanks to the ******* shoulder shooting AI.

"Weee, I can flllyyyy!!! Oh look, there's Dowly chasing a Hurricane! Number 2, you ram his rudder off, number 3 you steal his kill and me, I'll shoot the fecka down just for the **** and giggles! All hail the Luftwaffe!"

:damn::damn::damn::damn:

EDIT:

Oh and wtf are the radio commands for!? I told my wingman to get the fock away from my target while I was chasing it, he acknowledged the order, rolled on his side, farted and was again on my tail shoulder shooting. I cant wait to be promoted so I can command the whole fecking squadron, I order them to tighten formation while we are taking off = *CRASH*. Tossers... :nope:

[Oberon]

Looks like they're the same guys who formed the 'Lolwaffe' I encountered with U-35 :lol: