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[Skybird]

No comment - just a statistical verification:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/23/national/main3741706.shtml

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world/case-for-iraq-war-built-on-935-lies-study/2008/01/24/1201025032119.html

Two well-known facts from social and psychological sciences:

The lies being told first are what will be believed the longest by the public. Even if later lies are no lies, but the truth.

The probability that a lie is believed is the higher the more often it is repeated.

[Konovalov]

Hmm.

[August]

No comment - just a statistical verification:

No comment? You mean yet right?

Two well-known facts from social and psychological sciences:

The lies being told first are what will be believed the longest by the public. Even if later lies are no lies, but the truth.

The probability that a lie is believed is the higher the more often it is repeated.

Same post and what do we see? Commentary... :roll:

Guess you made a false statement too Skybird...

[Sea Demon]

Stories like this are just disingenous fluff. What they fail to tell you is that most of the world's intelligence agencies expressed the same views regarding Iraqi WMD program(s). And a whole gaggle of Democrats in the House, Senate, the Democrat VP Gore, and Mr. Bill Clinton himself are all on record stating the exact same "lies". Please! This stuff is useless now.

[Skybird]

Stories like this are just disingenous fluff. What they fail to tell you is that most of the world's intelligence agencies expressed the same views regarding Iraqi WMD program(s).

Wrong. ;) Most other intel agencies explicitly warned you that they failed to verify your claims, namely Russia, Germany, France, while many others failed to show up with info themselves. Except the poodle's secret service and ntheir famous missile meo, of course.

Anyhow, this thread goes only to those who still claimed just weeks ago that they are still waiting to see the first "hint" that Bush ever lied about Iraq. Of course it will not make them change their mind - but at least it must be allowed to laugh about them. :lol:

[Sea Demon]

Oh, horsepucky, Skybird. We have stories like the one below throughout the questioned period. From more than one of the world's intel agencies. Not only did you guys provide intel on the matter, some of Hussein's capabilities were being helped along by you guys:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EB05Ak02.html


In February 2001, the BND compiled a further report and intelligence chief August Hanning told Spiegel magazine that, "Since the end of the UN inspections [December 1998], we have determined a jump in procurement efforts by Iraq," adding that Saddam was rebuilding destroyed weapons facilities "partly based on the German industrial standard".

According to the report:
Iraq has resumed its nuclear program and may be capable of producing an atomic bomb in three years;
This whole issue is nonsense now. It's of absolutely no consequence. It's largely being brought about by people in the USA to try and make Bush and Republicans look like warmongers during an election year. They think it will help Democrats get elected. Nothing more. The only thing that gets me is that the very people who level the "lying" charges, are on record themselves of saying the same stuff.

[Skybird]

that does not chnage that the BND explicitly warned the US in 2003 that they failed to find evidence for any WMD ready or in production - and just btw, although you maybe do not believed, the BND is considered to be one of the best informed intel service of a Western power in the Arab sphere. Also, production sites until today have not been discovered, except traces and sites from the 80s and early 90s - when nobody was denying that they tried back then. the US failed completely to give any evidenca and proof for that Iraq had WMDs in 2003 - neverthelss bush claimed that "we are knowing they have WMD"s. For somebody "knowng that" he prooved remarkably unable to show up with any evidence at all that went beyond clues and indices pointing towards the 80s and early 90s.

so the only fact until today is: no sites have been found, no WMDs have been found, and those saying they knew proved unable to show evidence, but insist they had evidence. Well. I judge this by the facts until today, then. Making statements about evidence that one does not have is lieing in my book.

[Tchocky]

Pope still sh**ting in woods

[Sea Demon]

that does not chnage that the BND explicitly warned the US in 2003 that they failed to find evidence for any WMD ready or in production - and just btw, although you maybe do not believed, the BND is considered to be one of the best informed intel service of a Western power in the Arab sphere. Also, production sites until today have not been discovered, except traces and sites from the 80s and early 90s - when nobody was denying that they tried back then. the US failed completely to give any evidenca and proof for that Iraq had WMDs in 2003 - neverthelss bush claimed that "we are knowing they have WMD"s. For somebody "knowng that" he prooved remarkably unable to show up with any evidence at all that went beyond clues and indices pointing towards the 80s and early 90s.

so the only fact until today is: no sites have been found, no WMDs have been found, and those saying they knew proved unable to show evidence, but insist they had evidence. Well. I judge this by the facts until today, then. Making statements about evidence that one does not have is lieing in my book.

None of this changes the fact that Russian, German, and British intelligence all agreed with the intitial assessments. Not just U.S. intelligence agencies. And most government players here in the USA all listened to the assessments and made recommendations similar to the Bush administration for removal of Hussein's government. If Bush lied, everyone lied. Because everyone was talking from the same sheet of paper. Heck, Congress authorized war action based on those assessments. This charge is such a sham. It holds no water whatsoever. It's actually become quite impotent as a claim. Ain't it a wonder why it's only brought up around the time when elections are happening?

And TChocky, the Pope is not in the woods, he's at the Vatican. The world is still spinning on it's axis. ;)

[Yahoshua]

If I recall correctly weren't the French, and Russian governments also involved in the illegal exchange of food for Iraqi oil? As well as numerous allegations involving Kofi Annan and the Siemens Corporation?


Here it is:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/27/AR2005102700954.html