encounter with US SUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[boneman]

i encountered a us gatoclass sub in my VIIC type german u-boat 50 miles SW of Brest. Is that historical? I am playing in a clan www.seedrache.webs.com (http://www.seedrache.webs.com).
We use GWX 2.0 and i ask myself and the community this simple question:
Is it normal that in GWX 2.0 we encounter a pacific fleet boat in european waters? IS THAT REALISM? i ask the developers of GWX is that realistic or just a joke from you guys? another thing. i struck the gato with one torpedo why DID IT NOT SINK??????? IS THAT REALISM? a SHAME FOR GWX 2.0
Alex Bauer U-52 proud seedrachemember

[danlisa]

Nice way to ask a question.:nope:

I'll be surprised if you even get an answer.:down:

[GlobalExplorer]

with some imagination, why shouldnt the US have sent a sub to France? British subs did operate close to thew german ports (see Wolfgang Hirschfelds Diary of a U-Boat).

It did not sink? I have sunk some German subs (testing purposes with GWX 1.2) and it worked perfectly. don't see why there should be a prob with 2.0. One torpedo was not enough maybe, these US boats were pretty large compared to German / British ones.

P.S. Comments about GWX ignored. Personally I would rejoice if I encountered an US sub, because it spices up the game.

[melnibonian]

Because shame and manners cannot be taught or payed for here is your answer
"The Gato class served mainly in the Pacific (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific) ocean but they did operate from the Caribbean (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean) and the Atlantic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic) for short periods of time. In the latter case, in support of TORCH, the allied landings in North Africa (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Africa) in 1942 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1942). " (from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gato_class_submarine).

In the future I would suggest you be more careful with your choice of words as what you said is hurting quite a few people who put loads of hours for you to enjoy your game.

[GlobalExplorer]

Ok that clears it up, US did use their subs near France. Maybe we never heard of it because there was not much to do for them anyway.

[boneman]

:down: Yes its true i was to rude. I really enjoy GWX 2.0 and i will take back my words. sorry when i insulted the developers. But its strange to have an encounter with a us sub at such a place! THANKS FOR GWX! ITS THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:oops:

[melnibonian]

:down: Yes its true i was to rude. I really enjoy GWX 2.0 and i will take back my words. sorry when i insulted the developers. But its strange to have an encounter with a us sub at such a place!
It's Ok mate. We don't bite here (a lot at least ;) :D ). Appology accepted. Now enjoy your game and send the Allies to the bottom of the sea :arrgh!:

For future reference I will tell you that the GWX Team has spent a lot of time researching the U-Boat war and everything you see in the game is as realistic and accurate as the game engine allows. Have a look through the manual as well. It's a great read and you will find loads of information about a number of side-issues concerning the U-Boat War (and not only).

Good Luck and Good Shooting :up:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Its a good thing cooler heads answered before me.

I'll bet boneman didn't even realize that Japanese subs visited Bordeaux... and if I am not mistaken, one of them was even sunk in the Bay of Biscay.

[joea]

Ah yes, the history everyone thinks they know vs. what real research will turn up. ;)

[Ducimus]

Submarine squadron 50 comprised of about 6 gato's and 1 sub tender, and operated out of roseneath or holy loch, in the UK. This SubRon was created around 9/42, and left the atlantic theater sometime on, or after 4/43. As the US submarine war goes, it was a very minor footnote, but they were there for about 7 or 8 months.

http://www.subvetpaul.com/SAGA_6_98.htm
http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87/usw/issue_6/silent_victory.html
(section in yellow towards the bottom)

edit:
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08221.htm
9th and 10th picture down (site doesnt allow hotlinking)

[seafarer]

The USS Gunnel's first war patrol was part of Torch

You can read her patrol report - http://www.jmlavelle.com/gunnel/patrol1.htm

(a nightmare of engine problems btw, she came back to port on her backup, "dinky", engine)

[boneman]

lightvessels in GWX? GREAT STUFF! but what is the use of them? i encountered a lightvessel 75 km SW of spain (vigo) so my question is what is the use of lightvessels?

[melnibonian]

lightvessels in GWX? GREAT STUFF! but what is the use of them? i encountered a lightvessel 75 km SW of spain (vigo) so my question is what is the use of lightvessels?
As stated before the whole idea of GWX is to make the experience as realistic as possible (keeping the gaming aspect of the game as well). The ocean was full of ships at the time and especially close to the coast one could find loads of smaller ships like trawlers, fishing boats etc. That's why they're there. You can always sink them with your Flak guns and get some renown as well ;)

[Jimbuna]

Check the yellow section at the bottom.

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/cno/n87/usw/issue_6/silent_victory.html

[linerkiller]

I havent sunk any gato or balao yet,only a nice schkuka in the blacke sea and a T class in the med, and both sank after one torpedo hit. I dont think that a sub could stand a torpedo hit and survive more than some minutes, even the 2500 ton fleet boats. In particular, USS Tang, was hit by one of his own torpedoes ( the last one:damn: !!!) in the after part, (not in the center of the hull), and managed to stay afloat for only about 5 minutes.

Where your torp exploded Boneman?:hmm: (in which part of the gato's hull?)

[boneman]

my torpedo exploded amidships and the gato did not sink?!?!??!?!! really strange. (but GWX 2.0 is GREAT!)

[Kpt. Lehmann]

my torpedo exploded amidships and the gato did not sink?!?!??!?!! really strange. (but GWX 2.0 is GREAT!)

The AI subs in GWX take a long time to sing boneman. You simply didn't wait long enough.

Its complicated to explain, but the damage models for the AI subs are that way for a reason.

I've sunk Gatos myself to test the damage model. They do sink. You just have to be patient.

[BulSoldier]

I believe it is engine limitations that cause the ai subs to be that hard to sink.

I think in rl the torpedo would rip the sub,after all it has quite a big explosive power.BUt i guess someone with more knowledge on the matter should say.

[boneman]

I am happy with the answer and i believe you. I did not wait long enough for its sinking The gato was zigzagging away from me at a speed of 8 kts It was really hard to hit him THAT IS REALISM and i love it. Kpt Lehmann you and the team did a great job in making sh3 what it is today. thank you very very much for it.
I LOVE GWX!:sunny:

oh yes when is GWX 2.1 coming out? 31 januari?

Core to duo 2.13 Ghz ATI RADEON X1600 seegate 160 GB HD 2 GB RAM windows xp

i use silent hunter 3 patched to 1.4b GWX 2.0 SH3commander and SH3gen.

[Hanomag]

Kaluen,

If a Gato class sub was dispatched to the atlantic anywhere during WW2 or any other time for that matter, the GWX team knows it... they know what time the capt eats his breakfast.. they KNOW. Trust me.

Im sure they can tell you the exact weakest point in the hull for optimum sinkage. :yep:

Not only do they know but the 100's of other L33t UBERS who patrol this forum also KNOW. :yep:

Personally I dont know much and I have come to learn not to question their godlike knowledge in these matters.

So next time if your cruising the the Nordatlantischer Ozean and you see the USS Nimitz its because at that moment they were sent back in time by a blackhole and we just never heard of it because it was top secret or something. :rotfl:

In other words if its in the game.. it was there then.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

oh yes when is GWX 2.1 coming out? 31 januari?



Well, that was the plan, but it may take us a couple of weeks extra... in part due to illness.:oops:

[Jimbuna]

The Gato....surfaced

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7535/40253152wx8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The Gato....sunk

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/9904/gato2qx6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/640/gato3mv1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[AVGWarhawk]

You found out.....this has nothing to do with GWX. It is the developers sneaking the submarines to SH3 and the uboats sneaking over to SH4 for the add-on. The cats out of the bag fellas. ;)

[Jimbuna]

You found out.....this has nothing to do with GWX. It is the developers sneaking the submarines to SH3 and the uboats sneaking over to SH4 for the add-on. The cats out of the bag fellas. ;)

LOL :rotfl:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Looks like we've been busted, Jimbuna! :lol:

[NealT]

It had to happen sooner or later...:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

[Flamingboat]

Be glad I can't program. I would have had a giant octopus eat your Uboat :know:

[Jimbuna]

Looks like we've been busted, Jimbuna! :lol:

Looks like it Kpt http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/evillaugh.gif


Be glad I can't program. I would have had a giant octopus eat your Uboat


Now that you come to mention it http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/badwerewolf.gif

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