I hate Bush-but I don't know why

[mapuc]

Let me say it first, I do not hate or love Bush.

But however I have met people how hate Bush and som of them just don't know why.

let me give you some exampels

A work colleague said once to me

-LOL and he(Bush) got a veto
I asked him for what
I don't no, he replied
(Either do I) I know that Bush gets a veto almost everyday

And another one
There's aint and have never been chemical weapon in Iraq.
It's all a Goebbel like production from Bush

Then there are those who love Bush

I have found out that those who hate him or love him are scanning the internet to find just the things that can helped them in their debat or strenghten their believes

Markus

[kiwi_2005]

How i see bush from down under - hes a modern day warrior who wasn't afraid to put his presidencey on the line by going to war. The one i think is the biggest clown and would probably make americans cringe when he said on live TV.

'I, did not have sexual relations with that woman' :rotfl: He lied to his fellow americans:hmm: Who doesn't but he was as smooth as they come looking down the camera eye to eye contact with not a hint of guilt... He should of worked for the CIA:p



Anyways ignore my post this is coming from a kiwi, who only know about your presidents from what i read here :) or see on TV.

[porphy]

He should of worked for the CIA
maybe he did! :p

[mapuc]

My thread are to show, that many people can't think for them self they are to say it in plain english playing "follow John"

Hope you understand what I mean

Markus

[Ducimus]

I cant say im a fan of Bush, and i know why.

A few reasons why, that do not relate to Iraq:

- Gross, frequent, and blatant abuse of signing statements. Hes been tap dancing around and circumventing our nations laws, and otherwise using it as a line item veto, and has made more signing statements then any president in US history.

- Sneaky Back door appointments.

- Sneaky back door, passing of bills, such as recent one which would have allowed mexican truck drives the full run of the US. This would have put MANY americans out of work, and could conviebly cause all shipping, and shipping ports to move to mexico. More US jobs outsourced.

- Speaking of outsourcing.. the presidental debates on his second election, his stance on outsourcing is wholly unsatisfactory, and only caters to corporate or speical interests, and NOT the average American. This was my breaking point with Bush. The American people should always come first, MR president.

Anyway, im sure i could make this list alot longer if i thought about it long enough. Ats all i have to say about this.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Bad:
- rigged the 2004 elections in florida...
- went to war in iraq over oil , elite israeli lobbyists who want him to fight the wars for their own interests..
- allowed millions of ILLEGAL immigrants to flood and invade the southern United states, bringing crime and disease....
- illegal immigrants now a huge drain on welfare and social security system..
- created a http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/debtiv.gif deficit (this picture updates.. the deficit every 30 min or so)
-debt increases by $1.48 billion per day :dead:
- now wants to go to Iran because Israeli lobbyists are telling him to...:roll:
- outsourced US economy and jobs to communist China...
-allowed 9/11 to happen...

good:
- dont think there is anything good about this fool :roll::shifty:

[August]

- dont think there is anything good about this fool :roll:

Well you don't like him and anyone who is disliked by white supremacists does have at least that in their favor.

Oh and BTW you got your lies mixed up young Stormtrooper. He's supposed to have rigged the 2000 Florida election not the 2004.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Sorry my superior Officer Lord Vader is on business meeting with lord sidious our leader the rebels have been harrasing us with weak attacks the last few weeks.... oh and im on temporary leave my E-11 blaster rifle had a malfunction and got some small damage.. so its in for repairs..hopefully it'll be fixed soon :cry:....

"During the 2004 U.S. presidential election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._presidential_election), numerous allegations of irregularities were made concerning the voting process in Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida). These allegations included missing and uncounted votes, machine malfunction, and a lack of correlation between the vote count and exit polling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_poll). Additionally, 58,000 absentee postal vote forms were lost (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3960679.stm) in Broward County; Broward County is heavily Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29), and Democratic Party officials accused the Republican state government of trying to "steal the election"."
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/Exit_poll_small_florida.jpg

:hmm:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._election_voting_controversies%2C_Florida

[Wave Skipper]

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[baggygreen]

As i understand it, exit polls are voluntary, with people coming out and saying i voted for this person... am i right or wrong? thats the impression i had anyway.

If this is the case and im right, exit poles mean diddly squat and can hardly be grounds for an accusation of rigging.

If im wrong, hey, i'll get back in my box with something new learnt :)

[August]

"During the 2004 U.S. presidential election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._presidential_election), numerous allegations of irregularities were made concerning the voting process in Florida (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida). These allegations included missing and uncounted votes, machine malfunction, and a lack of correlation between the vote count and exit polling (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exit_poll). Additionally, 58,000 absentee postal vote forms were lost (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3960679.stm) in Broward County; Broward County is heavily Democratic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29), and Democratic Party officials accused the Republican state government of trying to "steal the election"."

Well first off allegations alone do not convictions make. There are those who allege that you are a closet nazi. Does that automatically make you guilty?

Secondly, maybe you don't realize it but absentee ballots are mostly used by service people who have voted overwhelmingly Republican in the last dozen or so Presidential elections. They are hardly votes the GoP would be tossing.

If there were any voting irregularities you might look at the Democrats running that county. They're the ones who would be counting (or not) those votes not Republicans.

Finally, it has been four years since those allegations were made but they remain unproven in spite of the many people. such as yourself, who would dearly love to pin something like this on the President. Now why do you think that is?

[Stealth Hunter]

Bush all the way around is a stubborn jackass who won't admit when he's wrong or when he's made a mistake (and "jackass" is an insult to the poor pack-mules).

[Reaves]

I don't like Bush because he is simply a fool who shouldn't and wouldn't have become president if it wasn't for daddy.



Democrat/Republican your all Americans to me! :p

[Stealth Hunter]

I'll drink to that.:yep:

[Skybird]

Why to dislike Bush...???

There is no word in English that translates it adequately, sorry, he is a hipocryte "Moralapostel" who has caused a lot of suffering in the name of his queer morals. He is incomptent, uneducated, and intellectually dumb. He is highly polarizing. He betrayed his own people, and intentionally gave them wrong impressions. He did massive damage to certain basic rights and fundemantal laws. He selfishly abused laws for his purposes, and manipulated law making processes in favour of his agenda. He does not know what the world "international" means, and knows nothing about the world, and other countries. He is an alcoholic. He is a puppet of lobbies. And he thinks he has a special commline to "God" and he boasts in public with what he considers to be his religion, which ultimately fails his case for me. Two controversial elections (I spare us to put together all the implicated details of both events). He actively interferes with indepedenant sciences, and tries to hide unwelcomed truths from his own people, and manipulates what data gets publicated, and what not. He openely supported creationism at public schools. He caused a hilarious deficits, with no sign that he ever considers it to be necessary to pay American debts back. He sent thousands of his countrymen into death and tens of thousands of families into suffering, over an unneeded but politically wanted war. He needed a 9/11 in order to boost support for himself on an emotional only level - before that, the majority laughed about him, and on his way into the White House, if you remember, his limousine for minutes stood still in the rain with no shiny support by huge crowds, but many protesters standing at the line of the road. His family has close financial relations to the Saudis, the masters of treachery and double-play. He wastes money in supporting Pakistan - at the cost of American soldier's lifes, and european ones.

and generally, he has massively hurt his country. He did not raise sympathy for america, but antipathy to it. He casued mistrust to it, no trust in it. He turned away old friends. He created deficits, not profits. He weakened the strategic position of America in the world. He made more enemies, not less. He decreased the number of american options. He massievly decreased global security and stability. He damaged plenty of important international relations. He wasted a stellar ammount of money on a stupidly motivated and incompetently handled war. He acts irresponsibly as if climate challenges do not exist.

All in all, his major error was: he allowed imself into office. The most stupid and uneducated president in the history of American presidents, I'm sure. Call a garbage truck to get him out of office. His god obviously played a very divine joke on this figure of fun. He should leave the White House through the backdoor at night, with a lowered head and a red face, all in a hurry, and never show up again anywhere.

[Wave Skipper]

have a good day

[STEED]

George Bush went down hill fast after 9/11 on those dreadful decisions he made, US troops and Allied troops are paying the cost of revenge. Don't get me wrong, what was done on that fateful day sicken me to my stomach what those bastard terrorist did, but I feel G.B. should had taken a step back and seriously looked into the consequences of the invasion of Iraq before kicking down the door.

Granted as a non citizen of America I can not really comment what G.B. is like in taking and making decisions at home.

[Tchocky]

George Bush went down hill fast after 9/11 on those dreadful decisions he made, US troops and Allied troops are paying the cost of revenge. Don't get me wrong, what was done on that fateful day sicken me to my stomach what those bastard terrorist did, but I feel G.B. should had taken a step back and seriously looked into the consequences of the invasion of Iraq before kicking down the door. Once more STEED, we are in total agreement :up:

Granted as a non citizen of America I can not really comment what G.B. is like in taking and making decisions at home. I think we get enough coverasge on this side of the pond to make at least a half-assed comment :)

I actually think I've got outrage fatigue from the last decade or so.

[mrbeast]

How i see bush from down under - hes a modern day warrior who wasn't afraid to put his presidencey on the line by going to war.

But he wasn't willing to put his life on the line. This is a man that joined the US Air National Guard, opted not to serve overseas and then couldn't even be bothered to turn up half the time.

Some Warrior.

The one i think is the biggest clown and would probably make americans cringe when he said on live TV.

'I, did not have sexual relations with that woman' :rotfl: He lied to his fellow americans:hmm: Who doesn't but he was as smooth as they come looking down the camera eye to eye contact with not a hint of guilt... He should of worked for the CIA:p
Anyways ignore my post this is coming from a kiwi, who only know about your presidents from what i read here :) or see on TV.

Bill Clinton's dishonesty over his relationship with Monica Lewinsky has to date cost zero lives and destroyed nothing, save some of Clinton's (though if IIRC he left office with a high approval rating) credability.

Bush and his governments lies and incompetance have, to date, cost thousands of lives.

[August]

But he wasn't willing to put his life on the line. This is a man that joined the US Air National Guard, opted not to serve overseas and then couldn't even be bothered to turn up half the time.

Some Warrior.

The man flew fighter jets. That, even in peace time is a very dangerous profession. Maybe not as dangerous as say, Infantryman, but certainly more hazardous than sitting in an airconditioned Saigon office pushing paperwork.

[Tchocky]

But he wasn't willing to put his life on the line. This is a man that joined the US Air National Guard, opted not to serve overseas and then couldn't even be bothered to turn up half the time.

Some Warrior.
The man flew fighter jets. That, even in peace time is a very dangerous profession. Maybe not as dangerous as say, Infantryman, but certainly more hazardous than sitting in an airconditioned Saigon office pushing paperwork. True. However, when you take into account what else was going at the time, ie the war, it is a relatively safe way to spend your time in the armed services.
Of course it's a lot safer not to show up.

[August]

True. However, when you take into account what else was going at the time, ie the war, it is a relatively safe way to spend your time in the armed services.
But relative to what Tchock? "Recreation Center Specialist" handing out basketballs at an army resort in Austria? (an actual military job). Like I said, a Fighter Pilot, even just in Texas, was far more dangerous occupation than Saigon pencil pusher.

Of course there was always the Bill Clinton route; avoid military service altogether. Apparently even that backround allows a President to send our young men into harms way.

[Tchocky]

True. However, when you take into account what else was going at the time, ie the war, it is a relatively safe way to spend your time in the armed services.
But relative to what Tchock? "Recreation Center Specialist" handing out basketballs at an army resort in Austria? (an actual military job) Like I said, a Fighter Pilot, even just in Texas, was far more dangerous occupation than Saigon pencil pusher.That statement implies that all the US soldiers in Vietnam drove desks. Very misleading, that.
I mean relative to a pilot in theatre. Bush's unit contained quite a few privileged Texans. Coincidence or not, I don't know for sure but it smells damn funny. Especially when he didn't bother showing up and nobody seemed to mind. Even when his flight status was suspended nobody cared. A dangerous, yet seemingly inconsequential job.
Speaking of jobs, any vacancies for the basketballs? Sounds like one of those low-paying fun jobs with lots of free time :)
Of course there was always the Bill Clinton route; avoid military service altogether. Apparently even that backround allows a President to send our young men into harms way. Bill-O's no saint either. One could argue that he was a little more honest than W :p
I wouldn't, but someone on DU might.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Bad:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/debtiv.gif




Also known as "Current UK Price Per Litre for Diesel" :88)

[August]

That statement implies that all the US soldiers in Vietnam drove desks. Very misleading, that.

That certainly wasn't my intention, but you do realize that the ratio of support to combat troops in any war zone is about 10 or 15 to 1.

Re: Rec. Ctr Specialist.

I met one of those guys while i was stationed in Germany. Arguably the best job in the Army.

[geetrue]

President Bush is not the first president that has had popularity problems, even President Truman had problems and he won WWII by dropping the A bomb.

I think President Bush will someday be considered one of our better Presidents.

History will prove that other countries are scarred to death to have the terroist that attacked America on 9/11 be in charge of their internal affairs.

President Bush's speeches were an encourgement to me and many others during the dark months after 9/11.

The fact that Iraq is showing improvement with it's troop surge tactic, plus 3,000 more US Marines are being sent to Afghanistan ...
proves America is doing something about terroism besides waiting for the next attack.

President Bush is my Commander in Chief and I am proud of it, except for the national debt that he has caused that is.

[Ishmael]

President Bush and his entire administration are war criminals who should be impeached, tried for treason, convicted and turned over with all supporting documentation to the International War Crimes Tribunal in the Hague.

Bush is merely the true face of the Republican Party. These people don't think government works, so why are you surprised when they can't make it work? What Bush has done besides eviscerating the Constitution and the Bill of Rights is foster the growth of private, corporate mercenary armies while all of his rich friends feed off the blood of our soldiers.

As far as his stint in the Texas Air Guard shows, he never really was a "fighter pilot" since he never took his final physical to be placed on Active status(he might have had to actually go to Vietnam and fly combat missions), then he deserted his post to go to Alabama. So that "service" can be summed up in two words, Shirker and Deserter.

I remember reading an article stating Bush's belief that the Anti-Christ is alive in the world. All I could think of was to suggest he either look in the closest mirror or ask the Vice-President to step in to see the proof of his statement. His entire life has been marked by failure, evasion of responsibility and leaving the messes he created for others to clean up. The other thing I noticed is how death seems to follow him wherever he goes. At a fundraiser for Domenici here last summer, one of his motorcycle police escorts was involved in a fatal accident. Then there was his appearance in Omaha the same day as the mass killings there.

[Ducimus]

As far as his stint in the Texas Air Guard shows, he never really was a "fighter pilot" since he never took his final physical to be placed on Active status(he might have had to actually go to Vietnam and fly combat missions), then he deserted his post to go to Alabama. So that "service" can be summed up in two words, Shirker and Deserter.

This.


Theres a reason why his military record is unavaiable or otherwise sealed. Paystubs indeed!

He was a rich kid who mucked about to get out of going to vietnam. I know first term Airman in the USAF that have served with far greater distinciton then Bush Jr.

[mapuc]

I think my thread has been, somehow, misunderstood, if it's because my bad english grammar, then I must apologize.

My postin' was only to tell you all, that there are people that hate Bush or love him, but just don't know much of his politics, no more what they hear/read or see on the telli/internet.

Markus