SUBMAN1
12-31-07, 01:28 PM
Good news, and not so good news. The not so good news is that everything has gone commercial with botnets. No longer is it a make a name for yourself thing.
-S
Notes from the Underground
There should be no question anymore that the VX scene is dying.
On the 29A forum there was a post that roy g biv has officially left the 29A group. Given that Vallez has been silent for over a year, it seems clear that the 29A group is really dead now. We wish the boys luck in whatever legal pursuits that they find now.
On the EOF and DoomRiderz fora, we can read that neither group has enough material for a new zine. On the rRlf site there's a message that the same thing has happened to them. EOF and DoomRiderz already announced their intention to produce a combined zine and now rRlf has announced that they will join in, too. Of course, if people are submitting the same thing to multiple groups in case one of them releases a zine, then even those three groups combined might not have enough material for a zine. In any case, it will probably not happen this year.
This brings us to another point - the supposed AV-VX "symbiotic relationship." It should be clear by now that there isn't one. While the VX scene gets smaller by the day, the AV industry keeps on growing. A million Trojans later, the virus writers don't contribute anything meaningful to our workload and really don't make us any money.
We are striving to put them out of business. Once they're all gone, those Trojans will keep us in business for a long time. Not that we want them, either.
We can all find much better things to do with our time. It would be nice to take a vacation.
http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/security_response/weblog/2007/12/notes_from_the_underground.html
-S
Notes from the Underground
There should be no question anymore that the VX scene is dying.
On the 29A forum there was a post that roy g biv has officially left the 29A group. Given that Vallez has been silent for over a year, it seems clear that the 29A group is really dead now. We wish the boys luck in whatever legal pursuits that they find now.
On the EOF and DoomRiderz fora, we can read that neither group has enough material for a new zine. On the rRlf site there's a message that the same thing has happened to them. EOF and DoomRiderz already announced their intention to produce a combined zine and now rRlf has announced that they will join in, too. Of course, if people are submitting the same thing to multiple groups in case one of them releases a zine, then even those three groups combined might not have enough material for a zine. In any case, it will probably not happen this year.
This brings us to another point - the supposed AV-VX "symbiotic relationship." It should be clear by now that there isn't one. While the VX scene gets smaller by the day, the AV industry keeps on growing. A million Trojans later, the virus writers don't contribute anything meaningful to our workload and really don't make us any money.
We are striving to put them out of business. Once they're all gone, those Trojans will keep us in business for a long time. Not that we want them, either.
We can all find much better things to do with our time. It would be nice to take a vacation.
http://www.symantec.com/enterprise/security_response/weblog/2007/12/notes_from_the_underground.html