Traffic cams in the UK getting torched?

[SUBMAN1]

ANyway, this page may be interesting for you UK'rs:

http://www.speedcam.co.uk/index2.htm

-S

[Tchocky]

Obviously traffic laws don't apply to these people, and neither do property rights.
Ugh. Self-interest masquerading as moral citizenship.

[SUBMAN1]

Obviously traffic laws don't apply to these people, and neither do property rights.
Ugh. Self-interest masquerading as moral citizenship.I kind of hate your surveilance society (1984 anyone?). If I lived there, I'd tell them to have at it! :D

-S

[Tchocky]

Obviously traffic laws don't apply to these people, and neither do property rights.
Ugh. Self-interest masquerading as moral citizenship.I kind of hate your surveilance society (1984 anyone?). If I lived there, I'd tell them to have at it! :D

-S

If I lived there, I'd ask these people why they're above the law.

[lesrae]

I've seen this POS website before, they're wanabee superheroes trying to justify costing the taxpayer money. I talk to people in the pub all the time that moan about speed cameras quoting human rights, big brother yadda yadda...

My attitude is that we all know the speed limit in this country, if you break it (as I usually do) and manage to get caught by one of these big yellow cameras (as I don't) then you deserve what you get - those who bitch about them are usually those stupid enough to get caught.

[STEED]

Traffic cams in the UK getting torched?

Don't look at me. :smug:

I hear shotguns are good for a laugh. :yep:

PS: Don't look at me. ;)

[danlisa]

......we all know the speed limit in this country, if you break it (as I usually do) and manage to get caught by one of these big yellow cameras (as I don't) then you deserve what you get - those who bitch about them are usually those stupid enough to get caught.

Agreed, however, they are not SPEED CAMERAS, they are Safety Cameras.;) As such, they have been introduced to areas which have a history of accidents IIRC 5 or more in the past 3 years. Note I don't say Traffic accidents, although it should be decided upon traffic related accidents, most safety cameras are not on locations where traffic accidents have occured but rather any random accident, this could be a doddery old lady tripping and hurting her ankle, just as long as it was recorded.

As such, there is huge distain here in the UK over these cameras because they have been introduced & billed as something they are not. They are a stealth tax gathering tool. Plain & simple. Do you expect anything different from today's UK government?

Burn them all!

BTW, Expanding Foam works well.;)
Also, a non-destructive way to disable them is to wrap them in cling film.:arrgh!:

[STEED]

We know there are a percentage of speed cameras which are located in daft areas only for one reason to raise money, these are the ones that must be relocated to a spot where it really is needed.

[XabbaRus]

I agree with soem of what is said but torching them costs more money, hence they probably put up more to cover thecost of torching. The ones near me are placed in warranted areas. But if you travel at the the limit you won't get caught, isn't that the point.

[STEED]

Slightly off subject there is a junction near me which has no right hand turn and the number of cars who break the law here would make you laugh, there are about four or five signs leading up to the junction that say no right turn. :doh:

[Tchocky]

If it's a "stealth tax", then the tax is levied on people who break the law.
As far as I'm concerned that's the end of the story.

[Rotary Crewman]

A speed/safety/blackspot camera burning? Shame.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I've seen this POS website before, they're wanabee superheroes trying to justify costing the taxpayer money. I talk to people in the pub all the time that moan about speed cameras quoting human rights, big brother yadda yadda...

My attitude is that we all know the speed limit in this country, if you break it (as I usually do) and manage to get caught by one of these big yellow cameras (as I don't) then you deserve what you get - those who bitch about them are usually those stupid enough to get caught.


Agreed.


We have speed limits
There are huge signs telling you when cameras are about
They're painted bright yellow
There are lines on the ground marking its capture zoneIf you fail to heed all of those little hints, then you deserve to get fined. Whats the point in bloody speeding, anyway. Last time I checked 'Get to work on time' wasnt a human right.

[Weigh-Man]

If it's a "stealth tax", then the tax is levied on people who break the law.
As far as I'm concerned that's the end of the story.

I hope you don't suffer from vertigo up there on your pedestal:roll:

[Tchocky]

Nah, it's nice and comfy. For further information, contact your local library, or Kapitan_Phillips' post above

[Letum]

I dislike security cameras that watch people in the street 24/7. It is a oppressive
invasion of the privacy of law abiding people.

Speed cameras are different, they only watch inanimate objects (cars!) and they only take
pictures when the law has been broken, not 24/7. There is no significant invasion of privacy.


I would like to see the speed limited painted on the camera warning signs tho.

[STEED]

I dislike security cameras that watch people in the street 24/7. It is a oppressive
invasion of the privacy of law abiding people.

Here, here. :yep:

[lesrae]

I would like to see the speed limited painted on the camera warning signs tho.

I agree, it's easy to lose track of the limit especially in an area where the limit changes often - not being sure of what speed you should be doing just causes people to slam the anchors on when they finally spot the camera.

The arguments about cameras being in the wrong places is common, I guess the easiest solution to that one is just to put them everywhere - then there's no discrimination ;)

[XabbaRus]

There is on camera near me which is in teh middle of the dual carriage way and they turn it 180 degrees every now and then to keep and eye on both directions. Now it is in an area that needs it as there are two roads going into the carriage way making a cross roads and there have been some nasty accidents there. Anyway the speed camera is visible from miles out and everyone knows it is a 70mph zone but still you get people doing 65 slamming on the anchors as soon as they get into the camera zone even if it is pointing the wrong way. Annoying very much indeed as this is more likely to cause an accident than someone keeping their speed constant.

[TteFAboB]

Amateurs. When will you brits start burning real stuff, like busses?

And being a nuisance, instead of a full-front crushing assault, it will invite a slapping hand to deal with the pesky mosquito: more cameras to look and protect the cameras.

[Kron161]

Less conspicuous than burning the damned thing was what some people did in the netherlands.

They used one of those guns that shoot paint balls and splashed with paint the lenses of all the cameras in a large area. They do not damage property but leave them useless.

One of my work coleagues is from the Netherlands and he maks a point that fighting the speed cameras is a sort of religion in her country.

And yet another one....

http://www.2cm.co.uk/picture_files/217.jpg

[lesrae]

...more cameras to look and protect the cameras.
It's already in hand mate - this one's near me: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/6305321.stm

Drivers in a Somerset town claim a spy camera has been erected next to a speed camera which has been repeatedly vandalised.

[Fish]

. But if you travel at the the limit you won't get caught, isn't that the point.

It certainly is!

[Ubåtskapten]

Speeding cameras are hell. But here in Sweden they can at least be avoided by wearing a mask of santa claus or the prime minister (or perhaps hiding behind the sun visor). The law requires the driver to be identified so just taking pictures of the number plate won't help them much.:arrgh!:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I dislike security cameras that watch people in the street 24/7. It is a oppressive
invasion of the privacy of law abiding people.


I know this is a really common argument, but what exactly is meant to be private in a public street?

[Kapitan]

. But if you travel at the the limit you won't get caught, isn't that the point.

It certainly is!

certainly is not!

i was driving on the refuse collection in wickford theres a speed camera on the main drag i was parked just infront of it and a speeding car over took my lorry but guess who got the ticket?

ME

the only way i managed to get out of it was to hand in my tachograph which proved at the time the incident took place I WAS STATIONARY and if the dumbass of police saw the picture before putting it in an envelope he would have seen the two loaders loading the back end so officer how do my loaders run at 42mph and load?

But it did work wonders for my crew we are now lable best crew in the yard :D

[Weigh-Man]

Speeding cameras are hell. But here in Sweden they can at least be avoided by wearing a mask of santa claus or the prime minister (or perhaps hiding behind the sun visor). The law requires the driver to be identified so just taking pictures of the number plate won't help them much.:arrgh!:

Thats the thing, in the UK they just get the number plate and send a letter to the registered owner, the registered owner then has to tell the police who was driving the car at the time. But to me this is asking you to incremenate yourself, what happened to innocent until PROVEN guilty.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

. But if you travel at the the limit you won't get caught, isn't that the point.

It certainly is!

certainly is not!

i was driving on the refuse collection in wickford theres a speed camera on the main drag i was parked just infront of it and a speeding car over took my lorry but guess who got the ticket?

ME

the only way i managed to get out of it was to hand in my tachograph which proved at the time the incident took place I WAS STATIONARY and if the dumbass of police saw the picture before putting it in an envelope he would have seen the two loaders loading the back end so officer how do my loaders run at 42mph and load?

But it did work wonders for my crew we are now lable best crew in the yard :D

So dont stop infront of a speed camera? ;)

[Kapitan]

When you gotta clear two piles of rubbish infront of one you cant exactly help it.

[Happy Times]

We have had incidents where the cameras have been stolen or shot up with a rifle.

[Letum]

Thats a error, but far from a fundamental problem.

[Stealth Hunter]

I'm not fond of the English for these security cam reasons. I don't like the idea of constantly being watched. In fact, it somewhat makes me paranoid...:shifty:

[Letum]

I'm not fond of the English for these security cam reasons. I don't like the idea of constantly being watched. In fact, it somewhat makes me paranoid...:shifty:

I agrree with you about security cams in public places.

Speed cams are diffrent. They do not watch you all the time.

[jumpy]

I'm quite comfortable for the majority of 'safety cameras' to have a car tyre hung on them and set alight.
I think speed cameras ought to be placed outside schools, hospitals, before dangerous bends or junctions, on main roads off motorways, around proven repeated accident spots where excessive speed is a determined factor (perhaps).
Sensible and common sense places, not in the middle of nowhere or some of the obvious idiot places I have seen them in.

The trouble here in the UK is that so-called 'safety cameras' are in no way placed to promote safer motoring in sensitive areas. The people who set this up know this, but despite the best intentions in using this tool to address the problem of some drivers speeding. Such as it is, the government has seen fit to interfere yet again with an eye to make itself look good, by advocating the use of more cameras on the roads, and in the process discovered that what they actually had in front of them was a tidy little earner.

Where does all of the money from the fines go? Back to the inland revenue and eventually the salary of some lazy mp. Ok, that might be a bit cynical, having said that it's how we view such things here, because no matter what we think or say we have to bend over and take whatever is coming, like it or not.

Were the cameras properly placed and all monies generated to be ploughed back in to road safety I wouldn't feel and need to complain or feel that this is yet another instance of labour exploiting motorists for its own financial and governmental interests and perpetuating the current flawed camera system.

[Letum]

...is it safe to speed anywhere?

[Wave Skipper]

everyone here seems like such good little boys or goodie two shoes.

[XabbaRus]

Kap, you shouldn't have had to hand in your tacho. The cameras have divisor lines on the road since the thing takes two photos and from comparing the distance travelled confirm whether you were speeding or not.

As for goody two shoes, I had to top the limit the other way to get away from a driver playing silly buggers.

[Kapitan]

The cameras are like radar systems they track your speed and get it wrong sometimes ive had many lorry drivers saying i got a speeding fine but look at my tacho 27mph in a 30mph zone ive even read about it in truck and driver magasine.

I am just thankful we have opti cruise controls fitted to most lorries, that means that if your in a 30 zone you pre select your speed setting (set to 1 on my lorry) and it will hold your speed at 27mph set 2 is 47mph (for a 50mph zone) and set 3 is your limit could be upto 60mph. thats how it works on our DAF lorries not overly sure if same system is used on any others though.

[Letum]

As I understand it, the cameras take 2 speed readings and calculate a 3rd speed
reading from the distance traveled between the first and second reading.

I can't see it getting it wrong. If it did then it would show up in testing and could be
improved upon. It is far from new or unproven technology.

[Kapitan]

you can go through a speed camera at 45mph and change lanes and it will show you doing 32mph and thats already been proven reason is the camera sees that your going further same thing if your on a bend.

the hand held ones all you have to do is one flick of the wrist and it gives a totaly diffrent reading, these things are not 100% accurate and it has been proven as well.

[Kapitan]

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/8/lastscan2yk8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


heres an article the highlighted green bit referd to drivers who have been caught doing excess speed but infact were not speeding at all and proved they wern't.