Hunger Strike for Peace

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Mrs. Kapitan_Phillips states her intentions

Link (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UKcuTClf4Zk)


(and yes, that is the real Frau_Phillips.)
(and yes, I'm totally dating that.)
(and no, I'm not a sharer of such hippie beliefs)

:arrgh!:


Do comment, I'll pass them on :)

[STEED]

Tell her the powers to be will not bat an eye lid if she kills herself from this action or anyone else.

KP, time to prove your man and do what must be done to save her from this mad idea.

[Stealth Hunter]

Interesting idea, but I fail to see what it will accomplish.

As long as the people who have the power to bring about such changes are happy and fat, this manner of attempting to gain recognition (and henceforth allow a proper statement on demands) shall go unnoticed and will be declared futile.

I would personally play the game of politics the way everyone else does. Start petitions, gather money, and organize rallies (ADVERTISE, too).

First, you get the recognition, then you get the power, then you get to try to make the changes that you think need to be top priority.

[The WosMan]

I hear a whip crack in the distance.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Tell her the powers to be will not bat an eye lid if she kills herself from this action or anyone else.

KP, time to prove your man and do what must be done to save her from this mad idea.


Already have, Steed. She's organising but not participating. I laid those groundrules down right away and with an iron fist.


First, you get the recognition, then you get the power, then you get to try to make the changes that you think need to be top priority.

Who are you, Tony Montana? ;)

[Stealth Hunter]

Unfortunately (money terms), no.

However, look at his statement in the film ("First you get the money. Then you get the power; then the women."). It's very true, and it adds up like 1 + 3 + 2 = 6, as does mine.

Funny how many things can relate to one simple thing.:)

[STEED]

@KP

If you have to then do it, spank her. :roll:

[Stealth Hunter]

I was thinking about contributing an idea to STEED's statement, but nevermind...:rotfl:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

@KP

If you have to then do it, spank her. :roll:


:rotfl:

As if I hadnt already thought of that.

[STEED]

I was thinking about contributing an idea to STEED's statement, but nevermind...:rotfl:

Now, now we can't have that. :lol:

[STEED]

@KP

If you have to then do it, spank her. :roll:


:rotfl:

As if I hadnt already thought of that.

May be not, she may like it or you or both of you. ;) :shifty: :lol:

[Stealth Hunter]

Just kidding, STEED.:smug:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

When did this thread go on the steep downhill curve to the chasm of crassness? :lol:

[STEED]

I can not tell a lie it was..........................................









Send me the sum of £10,000 to

STEED
No.10 Downing Street Bunker
London
England

And I shall tell you. ;)

[Skybird]

Me personally, hunger strikes and self-burnings in protest of something always leave me wondering how this is supposed to work together - however, I wish her good luck.

But public spanking sounds promising. :p

[STEED]

But public spanking sounds promising. :p


Just when I figured out Skybird he goes and dose that. :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Back to square one. :yep: :damn:

[Reaves]

Kong Jong-il will have to take notice of this!



:rotfl:



Seriously though it's a nice gesture but will have 0 results. A better thing to do would be donating toys to childrens charities. Christmas is coming and all....

[Frau_Phillips]

Hi there guys :D

Thought I'd drop in and say:

I've spent about $70 so far this season on toys for less fortunate kids, get petitions in my mail about once a week that I sign and send off...I do all of that too. I have about 25 c/p emails in my inbox from the president, senate, and house "thanking me for my time" when I send form emails from groups like Save Darfur and Peace Now.
I don't want to be radical, I don't like radicals. I want to make a stand. I know it probably won't accomplish anything, but it's something I believe in and I want to try. Ghandi did it and gained temporary peace in India and Pakistan :P

Plus: Spankings =/= punishment when coming from Kapitan_Phillips ;)

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Plus: Spankings =/= punishment when coming from Kapitan_Phillips ;)

http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Ezh0c0n/Quagmire.gif


(P.S. Love you darling :88))

[Chock]

Well, it may not accomplish anything positive (pretty sure it won't in fact), but on the other hand, not doing anything at all will definitely not accomplish anything, so good luck to you and full marks for at least trying something you believe in instead of just bitching about things.

Although you might want to note that most troops in Iraq are now actually reporting that their presence is definitely having an effect on people's lives and contributing to a peaceful return to trade and such (just watched a report on that very subject on Newsnight less than half an hour ago in fact), and you can be damn sure that if they pull out now, all that work and the sacrifices soldiers have made, will end up being for nothing, and many more people will die. So be careful what you wish for - you know what they say about roads being paved with good intentions...

:D Chock

[Frau_Phillips]

Chock,

Please don't think I'm not happy about the progress our boys make when they're over there. I know the violence is going down statistically, which is good. But I also know that this year is the deadliest so far for our troops.
I'm not saying that some of the causes we're over there for aren't worthy. I'm saying that our presence probably is doing more harm than good to a lot of them...I also know for a fact that there's a lot of politics in this war, and a lot of people (in both parties I might add) are supporting this war for bad reasons. I'm glad of our accomplishments, and will continue to be as long as we're there. But I still want them to come home, because -in my opinion- it's doing more harm than good.

My two cents :)

[STEED]

Plus: Spankings =/= punishment when coming from Kapitan_Phillips ;)

http://members.iinet.net.au/%7Ezh0c0n/Quagmire.gif


(P.S. Love you darling :88))

Are Feck, this thread turn in to a sloppy hugs and kisses.

Feck, feck, fecking feck.

[Stealth Hunter]

I say we all join together and run about the capital naked! THAT ought to get their attention.:rotfl:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Chock,

Please don't think I'm not happy about the progress our boys make when they're over there. I know the violence is going down statistically, which is good. But I also know that this year is the deadliest so far for our troops.
I'm not saying that some of the causes we're over there for aren't worthy. I'm saying that our presence probably is doing more harm than good to a lot of them...I also know for a fact that there's a lot of politics in this war, and a lot of people (in both parties I might add) are supporting this war for bad reasons. I'm glad of our accomplishments, and will continue to be as long as we're there. But I still want them to come home, because -in my opinion- it's doing more harm than good.

My two cents :)


Unfortunatley, its one of those situations where the a military presence of some degree is necessary to ensure that Iraq doesnt fall into turmoil again. The Iraqi Security force wont last five seconds without help, and theres a boatload of rebuilding to do.

Its a novel idea, bringing everybody back, but as Chock said, it'd more than likely unravel what progress was made and put everyone back in square one.

[Skybird]

Hi there guys :D

Thought I'd drop in and say:

I've spent about $70 so far this season on toys for less fortunate kids, get petitions in my mail about once a week that I sign and send off...I do all of that too. I have about 25 c/p emails in my inbox from the president, senate, and house "thanking me for my time" when I send form emails from groups like Save Darfur and Peace Now.
I don't want to be radical, I don't like radicals. I want to make a stand. I know it probably won't accomplish anything, but it's something I believe in and I want to try. Ghandi did it and gained temporary peace in India and Pakistan :P

Plus: Spankings =/= punishment when coming from Kapitan_Phillips ;)

Now I'm impressed. I recognize your good intention. :up:

May I advise one thing? Don't try to save all world - focus on one thing that is realistically within your reach.

But with that one thing found and clearly identified - put your heart into it. You might find out that you actually acchieve more that way.

[Stealth Hunter]

I want them home because of our economy.

Just today CNN had a huge program on about a recession which is definitely going to happen soon unless something is done. So much money by our "much loved" president is being thrown into this senseless and needless war, and we're slowly going down in value. Hell, something that is 36 pounds is equivalent to about $75 American.

Where we will be in 5 years no one can honestly say. All I know is we have got to get our troops home before we become a clone of Mexico.

[STEED]

I want them home because of our economy.

Same here, It's costing us £2000 a second and for what?

The problem is we all pull out and the whole place will go to hell, we are stuck in this hole until someone with power and more importantly a brain comes up with a real working solution.

[Stealth Hunter]

Indeed.

The situation is a log tower. We pulled Saddam out (the one keeping the show together), and it made the tower nearly collapse. We're holding it together now, and if we go, then the tower WILL collapse.

The Iraqi's are and always have been weak in government management. Hell, my brother would tell you the same thing during his negotiations with them during the war.

The situation is EXTREMELY delicate (like an ancient Chinese vase), and we must find quick yet extremely effective counter measures to hold the Middle-East together. Otherwise, we risk going to war with a huge section of the world.

There again though is the problem of war. The Middle-Easterners have all the oil. They've got us by the balls. We play our cards wrong, and they could destroy every western country by simply denying us precious fuel (like the 1973 crisis). We invade to get that oil, they set the wells on fire, and we're all screwed then.

The whole thing is a mess, and it's NEVER going to heal fully.

[Frau_Phillips]

Skybird,
Everyone has a cause that hits them in a different way than anything else. I do things for local charities, champion equal rights here, but nothing, NOTHING makes me feel the way seeing statistics on the genocide in Darfur or the numbers of American dead in this war do.
If we don't do it, who will?

[Stealth Hunter]

Let's consult iGod!!


Me:
God, if we don't end the War in Iraq and genocide in Darfur, who will?

God:
I am a Christian.

Goddamn AI.

[Reaves]

Let's consult iGod!!


Me:
God, if we don't end the War in Iraq and genocide in Darfur, who will?

God:
I am a Christian.

Goddamn AI.


Careful, he might start talking dirty like Santa did!

[Stealth Hunter]

Santa touched my neighbor last year...:o

[Frau_Phillips]

See, God won't even bother.
It's up to Hannah :rock:

[Stealth Hunter]

To The Bat-cave!!

[Skybird]

Skybird,
Everyone has a cause that hits them in a different way than anything else. I do things for local charities, champion equal rights here, but nothing, NOTHING makes me feel the way seeing statistics on the genocide in Darfur or the numbers of American dead in this war do.
If we don't do it, who will?
I did not mean to criticise you, Fräulein! :) Your previous posting just gave me the impression that you were hushing around and maybe spending more effort to get to the next opportunity than you actually spend in engaging at that event, opportunity, whatever, ending up with spending a lot of time and getting nothing really done, you see. Focus is a virtue.

concerning Dafhur, it honours you that you feel affected somehow, but the situation is much more intentional than you may perceive. are you sure you have the means available to counter such inhumane intentions, and the powerpolitics of religous and political ideologies? ;)

You are young, and most people at your age (me included, for me it were the 80s! ;) ) are full of energy, but lack focus and experience, and are strongly driven by idealism and want to do and want to act and want to chnage the world. that is the youth's right, and maybe even it's duty. If one has not been an anarchist for some time during one's youth, than one probably have never been young at all. But sense of realism cannot hurt to channel the very limited options and material possebilities one has at that age, usually. So I still would advise to focus on those issues that are really within your range, and where you can put your very own hands onto, so to speak, by walking there and start helping by your own presence, and tell them: here I am, how could I help you people?

Sorry if sounding like an old grandfather. It is not meant like that. I am almost 41, that doesn't make me that old at all.

I hope. :lol:

[Frau_Phillips]

Just thought I'd give you guys a little update..
The guy I mentioned in the video who's organising the original strike, (who's been on every US news channel and the BBC) is getting in touch with me and might endorse the Atlanta strike.
It's very possible that with this guy, one of the most popular on Youtube, protests could be staged in every major city.

So while one strike in Atlanta might do little to nothing, a strike in several major cities might do little to something :)

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Just thought I'd give you guys a little update..
The guy I mentioned in the video who's organising the original strike, (who's been on every US news channel and the BBC) is getting in touch with me and might endorse the Atlanta strike.
It's very possible that with this guy, one of the most popular on Youtube, protests could be staged in every major city.

So while one strike in Atlanta might do little to nothing, a strike in several major cities might do little to something :)


It'll probably annoy alot of people, you know.

[Chock]

I fail to see what it will achieve toward your goal be honest. Look at it this way: If when hostages are taken in a foreign land and threatened with execution unless the troops withdraw fails to make the government change its position, then how is someone skipping a few burgers going to affect matters? It seems rather tame in comparison.

The 'hunger strike' may well be well intentioned, although I suspect it is more a case of someone living out their own personal John Lennon fantasy than any well thought-out scheme to achieve something. But to announce that your hunger strike will be limited to a 72 hour period is no threat at all, just wait 72 hours and the threat is gone.

There is however one thing that it will definitely achieve; anyone who is a prominent supporter of this action will find likely themselves getting their own personal file opened in Langley, and marked as a potential political agitator. Be aware of that, because it will almost certainly affect your job prospects in the future.

:D Chock

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I fail to see what it will achieve toward your goal be honest. Look at it this way: If when hostages are taken in a foreign land and threatened with execution unless the troops withdraw fails to make the government change its position, then how is someone skipping a few burgers going to affect matters? It seems rather tame in comparison.

The 'hunger strike' may well be well intentioned, although I suspect it is more a case of someone living out their own personal John Lennon fantasy than any well thought-out scheme to achieve something. But to announce that your hunger strike will be limited to a 72 hour period is no threat at all, just wait 72 hours and the threat is gone.

There is however one thing that it will definitely achieve; anyone who is a prominent supporter of this action will find likely themselves getting their own personal file opened in Langley, and marked as a potential political agitator. Be aware of that, because it will almost certainly affect your job prospects in the future.

:D Chock


Now you see, if I'd have said that, I'd probably get my ass kicked ;)

[Frau_Phillips]

My goal is not to end this war, I am not so vain that I think there's any way I could sway the minds of any high-level politician.

My goal is to add to the national discussion already going on about this war. I want to show that I and much of my generation cares.

It's only 72 hours because we don't want anyone hurt. I don't see this as a threat, but rather, a statement.
Question my intelligence, question my judgement, but please don't question my intentions.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I see that, darling. My primary consideration is for your safety, you should know that by now. Its great that you're doing something and creating something that's going to be talked about, but only do it after you consider the repurcussions. Just think what would happen if someone became ill during those 72 hours. Who is to blame? The protester, or the organiser?

[Chock]

I'm certainly not questioning your intentions in wanting to bring attention to the matter at a hand, it's apparent that is the case. But of course when you are young, you have the advantage of being idealistic, wanting to kick ass and change the world, something that unfortunately disappears as you get older and you start thinking more about what makes the world go around and less about how you could change it! You've probably heard the saying: 'if you aren't a socialist when you are young, you've got no soul, but if you're a socialist when you are older, you've got no brain' - now, personally, I don't think that things can be wrapped up so neatly as that saying would have it by any means, but it does point up how attitudes change as responsibilities grow. Despite losing our idealistic streak as we get older, we do get the compensatory advantage of experience - not to mention the dubious experience of witnessing numerous disappointments - and so the things people point out when they are older may of course seem patronising or jaded, and of course to some extent they probably are, but there's a good chance that you will hold those opinions too in years to come. I'm certain that thought is not an attractive prospect to you now, but it's probably going to turn out to be the truth nonetheless.

So you stick to your guns and screw us old farts trying to tell you what to do. I admire you for getting off your ass and doing something about a matter you feel strongly on, regardless of whether I think it will have any effect. Good on you girl.

:D Chock

[Stealth Hunter]

^

Well said and extremely true.