I'd pay good money if he'd just shut up...

[DeepIron]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7127198.stm

Paranoid delusional little jerk... One can't help but wonder why there isn't more co-operation and peace in this world. Constantly pointing the finger and making accusations doesn't solve anything!

Give it up DUBB-YA! You're lame duck, mentally deranged and a total PITA to America!

[STEED]

I take it your not a big fan of Mr Bush. :hmm:

[TteFAboB]

I haven't read the report yet but from what I see on the news the reason the report alleges for Iran's backing down from pursuing nukes is international pressure. If we give credibility to the report, then removing international pressure would remove the brakes on the nuke program.

[DeepIron]

I take it your not a big fan of Mr Bush. Nope, there are very few people I absolutely despise, and Bush is one of them... His continual rhetoric concerning the "war on terror" and the evil Iranians is wearing really thin on me. I'm honestly beginning to believe that he thinks anyone who is Muslim is evil and his Messianic complex is real...

haven't read the report yet but from what I see on the news the reason the report alleges for Iran's backing down from pursuing nukes is international pressure. If we give credibility to the report, then removing international pressure would remove the brakes on the nuke program.
This is possibly true though there has been more open dissent within Iran to cause MA to 'back down".

The thing that p*sses me off about Bush and his rhetoric is that IT NEVER STOPS! If, Iran is genuinely concerned with further sanctions that would create more economic hardship for the country, then why does Dubb-Ya have to pull his "jump up and down and scream" routine?

Simply more gas on the fire and an exercise to keep his already over-inflated ego propped up IMO...

[Ducimus]

He's not much of a statesman. His head is too far into the idealist world of black and white; when in fact, the real world operates in a shade of gray.

[DeepIron]

He's not much of a statesman. His head is too far into the idealist world of black and white; when in fact, the real world operates in a shade of gray.

I'd agree. I honestly don't think the guy can stop or admit a mistake. Sure, there are groups and individuals in the world that would like to see the US "eat some crow", but it's been like that for decades...

The last 7 years of the Bush administration have been the worse 7 years in US history IMO.

[Chock]

It might be nice if he actually stepped back and had a look at himself and his policies before coming out with statements such as that. If he did, it might occur to him that out of the two countries in question, Iran and the US, only one of them has recently been invading countries all around the world in a largely cobbled up excuse for a 'War on terror', in order to get what it wants. As such, you'd tend to think that saying things like 'Iran is dangerous' is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black. It might then possibly occur to him that the Iranians have a very good reason to want a nuclear weapon if it stops them being added to that list of countries that face the threat of attack if they don't bend over backwards to suit what he and his policy makers want.

I'm no fan of Islam, that's for sure, or any other religion for that matter, but I do think it's a bit rich to complain about someone building a nuclear weapon when you yourself have the largest stockpile of the things in the entire world, and have been using the threat of them to get your way for the past forty-odd years. Especially when the building of such a weapon by Iran, is clearly to negate that threat from a country that, in recent times, seems to have no qualms about invading countries to force its policies on others.

The US is a great country and it used to be a beacon of light for the world which stood for freedom and all that is good, but George W Bush is doing his very best to turn it into a bully that will make it hated around the world, a state of affairs which he might recall led to the attacks on 9/11. If I were an American, I would be unbelievably pissed off with how the guy is pissing away the country's admirable legacy and putting its citizens in harm's way to line he and his sponsor's pockets, he is a disgrace. And on top of all that, he would have to double his IQ to qualify as an idiot.

The US deserves a much better President than him, he clearly did not inherit his dad's brains.

:D Chock

[mapuc]

I'm convinced that most of the people that hate bush, don't now what politics he's has. They are, said in a plain english, just playing follow John.

Markus

[August]

The last 7 years of the Bush administration have been the worse 7 years in US history IMO.

Obviously you are too young to remember the Carter administration.

But since you disagree so vehemently with the Presidents assessment then you must believe that Irans government is no danger at all, or perhaps you are just letting your hatred of the man get in the way of your objectivity?

[SUBMAN1]

I'm convinced that most of the people that hate bush, don't now what politics he's has. They are, said in a plain english, just playing follow John.

MarkusThis is bang on! Can't be said better.

In the article, Bush is simply stating the obvious, so there is nothing wrong with it. To those that hate Bush so much (For little reason I see), I suggest you quit reading articles on him. You will feel better. Simple solution to a simple problem. :D

I'm not a fan of some of the things Bush has done, but for all the weight he has to deal with, he is doing a pretty good job on many fronts. Much more tha many people give him credit for. The more I read about things he has done and said that are off the front page news, the more I get me respect back for him that I lost when he supported Kennedy's stupid immigration bill. He is a good man at heart.

-S

[Ducimus]

Having read up on some of W's background, in my mind, he is clearly a man who should have never have been elected to begin with. It's amazing he's done as "well" as he has. He should have stuck to baseball.

[SUBMAN1]

Having read up on some of W's background, in my mind, he is clearly a man who should have never have been elected to begin with. It's amazing he's done as "well" as he has. He should have stuck to baseball.Oh yeah? So you want to replace him with what? A professional politician? :D That's worse!

What exactly qualifies a man to be in the oval office anyway? Just kind of curoius.

-S

[Ducimus]

Also amazes me people still defend him. Why can't everyone admit we the people F'ed up when our country elected and re elected him? Yes, Bush Jr is not stupid, hes acutally very intelligent - what he is not, is wise, prudent, and patient. These are what we need in the man who holds the nuclear football, the man who sends our nations sons and daughters to a war, and does not view the world through a set of horse blinders.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

The thing that really upsets me about Bush, is that he seems like a really really nice guy. Just a bit dim.

And everyone hates him. Well, why dont you try and run the largest powerhouse in the world. You cant appease everyone.

[Herr_Pete]

why wont he just die:cry:

[Skybird]

"Wer einmal lügt, dem glaubt man nicht, auch wenn er die Wahrheit spricht." (= remember the boy who cried "wolf".)

Bush's two major acchievements as president: nobody believs America anything anymore, and he helped to massively boost global anti-americanism. It is self-amde, and it is because of obvious lobbying selfishness, and lies, tricks and deceptions. After 9/11, most of the globes sympathies were with America. It either needs criminal intention, or stupidity of almost ingenious dimensions to turn that into it's exact and complete opposite.

Idiot.

[Herr_Pete]

do you think we could make a petition so he can be "accidently" mauled by a pack of wild badgers n perhaps chinchillas. Make it looks like an accident :D

[SUBMAN1]

"Wer einmal lügt, dem glaubt man nicht, auch wenn er die Wahrheit spricht." (= remember the boy who cried "wolf".)

Bush's two major acchievements as president: nobody believs America anything anymore, and he helped to massively boost global anti-americanism. It is self-amde, and it is because of obvious lobbying selfishness, and lies, tricks and deceptions.See - you are just describing what was going to happen to Kerry, or Gore, or Bush - regardless of who was in office. With the fall of the Soviet Empire in the 90's, that left one country super power. I remember reading an article in the 90's (Time Magazine - 1995?) where they predicted the exact statements you are describing here. They also predicted pretty much all the doom and gloomsayers of America. It is a given. When the fear of nuclear anilation subsides, and the tensions come down, the the jelousy starts at the one country left standing. I don't fault you for this. It is natural. It is the way the world felt about Germany at one point, and the same about the UK, as with every other power the world has known.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

Also amazes me people still defend him. Why can't everyone admit we the people F'ed up when our country elected and re elected him? Yes, Bush Jr is not stupid, hes acutally very intelligent - what he is not, is wise, prudent, and patient. These are what we need in the man who holds the nuclear football, the man who sends our nations sons and daughters to a war, and does not view the world through a set of horse blinders.I'd have to disagree with the patience part, and the wise part. He has both of those qualities, and is a very calm person. He is the perfect person to hold the keys to the nuke football. Think of what the alternative could be - Kerry could be smiling at and shaking hands with foreign leaders, all the while holding that footbal behind his back and pushing the button. If Kerry didn't get into politics, he would have made a great mob boss. He shares their exact same qualities.

-S

[Skybird]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,druck-521341,00.html


It's hard to imagine a more embarrassing setback for the White House's Iran policy. There are a number of probable consequences. The intelligence estimate will make it harder for the US government to talk the international community into tougher sanctions against Iran -- as the US had actually planned to do at a UN Security Council meeting later in December.
The new findings will also worsen the trench warfare within the US government. A rift has deepened for months between a group of advisors around Vice President Dick Cheney, who has assiduously called for a military attack against Iran, and the US State Department as well as large portions of the military, who consider such a move both dangerous and unwise.

[Skybird]

"Wer einmal lügt, dem glaubt man nicht, auch wenn er die Wahrheit spricht." (= remember the boy who cried "wolf".)

Bush's two major acchievements as president: nobody believs America anything anymore, and he helped to massively boost global anti-americanism. It is self-amde, and it is because of obvious lobbying selfishness, and lies, tricks and deceptions.See - you are just describing what was going to happen to Kerry, or Gore, or Bush - regardless of who was in office. With the fall of the Soviet Empire in the 90's, that left one country super power. I remember reading an article in the 90's (Time Magazine - 1995?) where they predicted the exact statements you are describing here. They also predicted pretty much all the doom and gloomsayers of America. It is a given. When the fear of nuclear anilation subsides, and the tensions come down, the the jelousy starts at the one country left standing. I don't fault you for this. It is natural. It is the way the world felt about Germany at one point, and the same about the UK, as with every other power the world has known.

-S
No. Bush'y attitudfe and behavior has been totally tarrible on so many occasions, every candidate you named usually behaves far more intelligent and clever, than Bush does. Also, some decisions of Bush and how he excused them were so stupid that one cannot imagine that record to be fulfilled by any of thes eother guys so easily. And finally, esoecially the democratic candidates probbaly would not have been so vulnarable to fall to the neocon's agenda, who usually are associated with the rightwinged republicans, not the democrats.

Stop defending an idiot! Loyalty to an idiot just falls back onto you. And that hardly could be seen as a compliment. "Who is the greater fool? the fool or the guy who follows him?"

[August]

Stop defending an idiot! Loyalty to an idiot just falls back onto you. And that hardly could be seen as a compliment. "Who is the greater fool? the fool or the guy who follows him?"

Stop telling us to stop defending our President. People like you make me wish i could vote him in for a third term.

[Tchocky]

I think I've internalised most of the crap coming from DC these days, living in America did that to me. It's a lot easier to complain from a long way away, gets a little more complex in the US.
What I mean by internalised is that it doesn't even raise my eyebrows anymore. So bloody used to it. Which is a shame, seeing as there's a lot to get angry about.

Oh, and saying that things "would have been worse" under a different President is a little specious. It took an event that no-one expected to turn a mild-mannered nonentity into a paranoid delusional God-bothered wreck.

[Skybird]

Stop defending an idiot! Loyalty to an idiot just falls back onto you. And that hardly could be seen as a compliment. "Who is the greater fool? the fool or the guy who follows him?"

Stop telling us to stop defending our President. People like you make me wish i could vote him in for a third term.
You do not represent a majority of your people anymore. Last number I heared is Bush support is far below 30%, and a substantial majority being against him.

Who is the greater fool - the fool or the guy who follows him...

[SUBMAN1]

You do not represent a majority of your people anymore. Last number I heared is Bush support is far below 30%, and a substantial majority being against him.Please don't confuse job approval ratings with being for or against the president. You know very well this is not the same thing.

Who is the greater fool - the fool or the guy who follows him...I say the fool who has no clue where he stands. This means you. You sit here and tell me how much you hate this and that about radical Islam for example, yet you hate the one man on the planet standing against them, and then condem him for it? You need to take a breather from society I say and go and find yourself.

-S

[Tchocky]

You sit here and tell me how much you hate this and that about radical Islam for example, yet you hate the one man on the planet standing against them, and then condem him for it? I'd say a man for whom the appearance of standing against radical islam works. Saying he's the only one is flat-out wrong.
Also, given the rhetoric coming from Bin Laden, and the increasingly polarised world, you could say that GW Bush is helping out. That "with us/against us" stuff, etc.
And there's a lot more to criticise him for than his "policies" regarding Islam.

I don't agree with Skybird on a lot of things, but I wouldn't say he has no idea where he stands.

[SUBMAN1]

So, if this is correct, who exactly is standing up then? I see no one. Maybe someone from your fantasyland? Sure, leaders give hand outs, and token forces, but they are just gestures for favor. Only the Brits have done any real good. Outside of GW then (since the Brits are pulling out), are you refering to?

-S

[Skybird]

You do not represent a majority of your people anymore. Last number I heared is Bush support is far below 30%, and a substantial majority being against him.Please don't confuse job approval ratings with being for or against the president. You know very well this is not the same thing.

I know very well that now a majority of Americans will be happy on the day he leaves office.

Who is the greater fool - the fool or the guy who follows him...I say the fool who has no clue where he stands. This means you. You sit here and tell me how much you hate this and that about radical Islam for example, yet you hate the one man on the planet standing against them, and then condem him for it? You need to take a breather from society I say and go and find yourself.

And you need to stop taking sunbaths in your own self-imagined greatness, else you end as smoking coal. Bush does not stand against islam. How could that be said of a man who lacks the intellect to understand what Islam is, and whose family has close ties with one of ther worst islamic enemies there are - Saudi Arabia, and who pushed for years a policy that officialy another ,major enemy, Pakistan, as an ally? :rotfl:

Bush making a stand against Islam. That must be the joke of the year in thois forum! :lol: Next you tell me he is the savior of New Orleans!

He is your idol. fine. leave it to that. And if you ever visit Western, Northern and Southern Europe, don't be too eager to let people know - chances are you might find yourself at the receiving end of some non-stopping joking. ;)

[mapuc]

Do you remember the 80-ies?

When there were lots of demostration almost every day in Germany, England a.s.o

against Reagans decision to place nuke in europe? BUT no one was demostrating against The russian who was placing nukes Not so far from Germany.

Nowaday every one know that it was the KGB how wad behind all this.

Maybe one day in the future we will learn, that it was Saudia-Arabia(maybe) who was behind this "anti bush-thing"

Markus

[Chock]

Do you remember the 80-ies? When there were lots of demostration almost every day in Germany, England a.s.o against Reagans decision to place nuke in europe? BUT no one was demostrating against The russian who was placing nukes Not so far from Germany.

Nowaday every one know that it was the KGB how wad behind all this.

Maybe one day in the future we will learn, that it was Saudia-Arabia(maybe) who was behind this "anti bush-thing"


That's got to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read in my life.

:D Chock


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[Skybird]

Do you remember the 80-ies?

When there were lots of demostration almost every day in Germany, England a.s.o

against Reagans decision to place nuke in europe? BUT no one was demostrating against The russian who was placing nukes Not so far from Germany.

Nowaday every one know that it was the KGB how wad behind all this.

Maybe one day in the future we will learn, that it was Saudia-Arabia(maybe) who was behind this "anti bush-thing"

Markus
Indeed, the 80s saw anti-americanism for no other reason than being anti-america, it was en vogue to be so, and the Russians indeed did their best to keep that flame alive, especially amongst the yoiung, students, the left partzies, and civil rights initiatives. However, it has faded a bit after the 80s and the fall of the wall. It then came back after Bush started to mess up his office, and plkaces in the world. But that anti-americanism this time was and is met by larger parts of the population than just the left and the young, and it is not anti-America for no other reason than being en vogue with that, but for reasons of critical, reasonable arguments about american policies installed under bush, and by the Neocon establishement, also, the chnaged media available now have rasied the awareness and information level of the public. So, the two decades do not really compare in the nature and qulaity of their anti-americanism. and I say that having lived the whole 80s in Westberlin, age 12-22, and that ctiy as the most actoive in all Germany concerning anarchistic youth movements fighting the police for some shabby houses, and anti-american protests - I remember all that very well. the present is totally different, the worldwide massive boost in anti-americanism today - is "made in the US" as a logical reaction to american climate policies , financial policies, Iraq, Iran which is a story with two faces, of course), and the perception of religious fundamentalism getting stronger in the US since Bush came to power. His poor performance during Katrina is not so much of concern for us over here, but nevertheless we took a somewhat desinterested note of his failure. Last but not least that anti-americanism is what drives quite a lot of people into a tolerant perception of Islam, thinking that it is a victim of America only, and a remedy to american predatory capitalism. this linking of thoughts is especially popular amongst the poltiical left, but has it's fans in the centre and the right as well.

[baggygreen]

Honestly, by luck or by stupidity, we were lucky a bomb wasnt used following Sept. 11. I've no doubt there were people pushing for it, but he didnt. Would any of the other potential contenders have made the same decision not to launch?

"He's" handled a number of thigns poorly. I put it in "" because i would suggest a lot of things were fed selectively to him in order to achieve the goals of others. Think about it, if person A relies on person B to tell that whats going on and who caused it, and person B has an agenda, how can person A be held accountable for decisions made based on the trusted info given by person B.

Internally i think he could have and should have done a lot more, but you can say that about every single leader in history im sure.

As far as the obvious goes, the iraq question, so many peole are complaining that they want troops home immediately. Okay, suppose that happens. How many of those people drive cars, ride busses, trains, planes, if Iraq were abandoned tomorrow, the instability there has a great chance of spilling over elsewhere in the region, which incidentally is where most the worlds oil comes from. That'll drive prices up which will hit at the bowser and ticket stalls, which people will complain about.

Are they willing to put up with tthe huge rise in price that would imo be inevitable?

I digress. Yes he's said some remarkable things, i have a book of Bush'isms at work. But i really think he's stuck between a rock and a hard place and i think he's handled a lot of things better than others may've. I feel there is a lot of sentiment there similar to here, that the incumbent govt has been there too long and lost touch and needs to go asap. Most people dont seem to realise that the tough decisions are made with the nations interests in mind with the best available info.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Bush is and will always be one of the worst leaders in this nations history. He gives tax breaks to the rich, makes the the working class pay higher taxes, runs his countrys economy into the ground, refuses to think that gloabal warming is real, the list goes on and on. We are not the freakin' world police but Bush doesn't care.
If the conflict in the Middle East continues we might have a third world war on our hands. If mankind does not learn from history it is damned to repeat it. Bush says that its "Gods" will that we will win the war and yet fewer and fewer people in this country want to go over there, and we cannot use the draft because congress will not suport it nor will the people of this country. The sooner Bush is out of office the better. President Bush, its is a democracy you IDIOT not a monarchy. This country is becoming the exact oppisite that the colonist came to this country in the first place. The church says this and that about stem cells, abortions and all this other bull. This country has a seperation between church and state, the government says what is the right thing to do not the church.

[Iceman]

I agree with alot of what is said about Bush here....what people from other places don't understand is he is a human being ...just like everyone else, and was handed the crapiest deal a president could have been handed and did the best he could with what he had available.

History or whomever can try to lay all the blame soley at his feet for what has transpired but we all know that is too easy.

anyway I watch Letterman at night and David just cracks me up with his clips on Bush so if you haven't seen this watch it and laugh...he's just a man....a hillbilly even. :) but he's ours and we love him....and if you don't go vote next year....and if your from another country lump it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa3J-L29iT8

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Iceman I do agree with you on the part that Bush is human,but he started a war with nearly no real information at all, and had his buddys put into positions that they couldn't handle properly. Just look a the Hurricane Katrina disaster. The very,very slow response was due to the person in charge of FEMA who didn't respond to it in time. And we are still cleaning it up!!! Some of the things that this president has done even oversteps the bounderies of that president is allowed and has broken international laws, mainly that of the Genevia Convention. I'm quite amazed that he has not been impeached yet.

[August]

You do not represent a majority of your people anymore. Last number I heared is Bush support is far below 30%, and a substantial majority being against him.

And support for the Democrat congress is far lower, big deal. Bush's popularity ratings are common for this stage in a presidency. It has nothing to do with how history sees him.

Besides i think someday you're gonna find yourself wishing that Bush were still President. Now there's a thought eh?

[Skybird]

You do not represent a majority of your people anymore. Last number I heared is Bush support is far below 30%, and a substantial majority being against him.

And support for the Democrat congress is far lower, big deal. Bush's popularity ratings are common for this stage in a presidency. It has nothing to do with how history sees him.

Besides i think someday you're gonna find yourself wishing that Bush were still President. Now there's a thought eh?
Old thought. I already said it during the last elections, arguing that Kerry winning would have given europeans more trouble to not rally behind the Iraq war, for he would have been less offensive, less bullying, and more clever in manners, that way making it more difficult to slam the door in his face. Being disgusted by Bush is easy, even if content and policies are not taken into account.

[DeepIron]

The US is a great country and it used to be a beacon of light for the world which stood for freedom and all that is good, but George W Bush is doing his very best to turn it into a bully that will make it hated around the world, a state of affairs which he might recall led to the attacks on 9/11. If I were an American, I would be unbelievably pissed off with how the guy is pissing away the country's admirable legacy and putting its citizens in harm's way to line he and his sponsor's pockets, he is a disgrace. And on top of all that, he would have to double his IQ to qualify as an idiot.

Well said... :up:

@August: I'm 50 and remember the Carter years quite well... :yep:

[Kapitan_Phillips]

www.cybernations.net (http://www.cybernations.net)


Lets see you all try.