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I've been seeing a few documentaries popup about this date and while i'm not normally a fan of tin hat type stuff every now and then i'll take it out of the lead box and pop it on.
The Mayan calendar ends on December 21, 2012 and apparently this will be the big end of days. The thing that gets me with this one is that there is actuall scientific proof that on that date the Earth will in alignment with the Sun and the centre of the milky way and it's believed that this effect will cause the polarity to reverse. North will be south etc, etc.
August 15, 2006: On July 31st, a tiny sunspot was born. It popped up from the sun's interior, floated around a bit, and vanished again in a few hours. On the sun this sort of thing happens all the time and, ordinarily, it wouldn't be worth mentioning. But this sunspot was special: It was backward. "We've been waiting for this," says David Hathaway, a solar physicist at the Marshall Space Flight in Huntsville, Alabama. "A backward sunspot is a sign that the next solar cycle is beginning."
"Backward" means magnetically backward. Hathaway explains:
Sunspots are planet-sized magnets created by the sun's inner magnetic dynamo. Like all magnets in the Universe, sunspots have north (N) and south (S) magnetic poles. The sunspot of July 31st popped up at solar longitude 65o W, latitude 13o S. Sunspots in that area are normally oriented N-S. The newcomer, however, was S-N, opposite the norm.
This tiny spot of backwardness matters because of what it might foretell: A really big solar cycle. Solar activity rises and falls in 11-year cycles, swinging back and forth between times of quiet and storminess. Right now the sun is quiet. "We're near the end of Solar Cycle 23, which peaked way back in 2001," explains Hathaway. The next cycle, Solar Cycle 24, should begin "any time now," returning the sun to a stormy state.
Satellite operators and NASA mission planners are bracing for this next solar cycle because it is expected to be exceptionally stormy, perhaps the stormiest in decades. Sunspots and solar flares will return in abundance, producing bright auroras on Earth and dangerous proton storms in space.
The Mayans were known for their calendar as it predicted solar ecplises and similar occurances correctly. Not a small feat for a civilization that was consider barbaric by the Europeans of the time.
Now forget about you climate change, if that happens the crap won't just hit the fan, it'll engulf the thing.
Anyone else interested/seen/read anything on this?
I do remember hearing that they (i.e. astronomers) were expecting another major sunspot frenzy to come along soon. Apparently it can have a drastic effect on transmissions and really screw up communications and navigation fixes for ships and aircraft, and that has the potential for some fairly disastrous stuff.
Someone must have put the batteries in the sun the wrong way around, like I always do with the TV remote,
:D Chock
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm
The Sun's magnetic north pole, which was in the northern hemisphere just a few months ago, now points south. It's a topsy-turvy situation, but not an unexpected one.
"This always happens around the time of solar maximum," says David Hathaway, a solar physicist at the Marshall Space Flight Center. "The magnetic poles exchange places at the peak of the sunspot cycle. In fact, it's a good indication that Solar Max is really here.
Above: Sunspot counts, plotted here against an x-ray image of the Sun, are nearing their maximum for the current solar cycle. The Sun's magnetic poles will remain as they are now, with the north magnetic pole pointing through the Sun's southern hemisphere, until the year 2012 when they will reverse again. This transition happens, as far as we know, at the peak of every 11-year sunspot cycle -- like clockwork.
Earth’s magnetic field also flips (http://istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/earthmag/reversal.htm), but with less regularity. Consecutive reversals are spaced 5 thousand years to 50 million years apart. The last reversal happened 740,000 years ago. Some researchers think our planet is overdue for another one, but nobody knows exactly when the next reversal might occur.
I'm worried about what will happen if the earths polarity reverses, i'd be avoiding air travel around that date that's for certain.
DeepIron
12-03-07, 10:27 PM
Ever wonder what would happen to the Earths atmosphere if a sufficiently strong solar wind were to blow by? :hmm:
http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Venus_Express/SEM0G373R8F_0.html
Huge storms can start from the faintest of breezes... ;)
Torplexed
12-04-07, 12:10 AM
The Mayan calender does NOT end in 2012. It just simply rolls over. Sure, the long count comes to an end, and the Mayans believed many bad things might happen,(to Mayans) BUT on December 22, 2012 a new long count begins. It's very similar to what happened in 2000 in the Gegorian calander (in more ways then one) It just rolls over, like your car odometer does at 100,000 miles, like your watch does twice a day at 12:00.
However, we humans have an obession with 'magic' numbers and 2012 is shaping up to be the next big end of the world (non) event. *sigh*
And the bad news is we have 5 long years to listen to hucksters selling us on books, videos, misleading documentaries. :damn: Doomsday sells.
I have a calender right here on my wall that ends December 31st. OMG! :o
And the bad news is we have 5 long years to listen to hucksters selling us on books, videos, misleading documentaries.
If you think that's bad, can you imagine what it must have been like in 1337, with everyone going on about how elite they were going to be when the computer was eventually going to be invented?
:D Chock
nikimcbee
12-04-07, 12:38 AM
The Mayan calender does NOT end in 2012. It just simply rolls over. Sure, the long count comes to an end, and the Mayans believed many bad things might happen,(to Mayans) BUT on December 22, 2012 a new long count begins. It's very similar to what happened in 2000 in the Gegorian calander (in more ways then one) It just rolls over, like your car odometer does at 100,000 miles, like your watch does twice a day at 12:00.
However, we humans have an obession with 'magic' numbers and 2012 is shaping up to be the next big end of the world (non) event. *sigh*
And the bad news is we have 5 long years to listen to hucksters selling us on books, videos, misleading documentaries. :damn: Doomsday sells.
Will windows still work or will it be another Y2k meltdown again?:hmm:
Magic numbers....hhmmm, maybe the vikings will win the superbowl with these magic numbers? Where can you get these "magic numbers" you speak of? Wal-mart? Target? Do you need to plant them? Are they IRS proof?
Torplexed
12-04-07, 12:57 AM
I'm going to spend the year 2012 in a cave, not to avoid the end of the world but to avoid all the conspiracy theorists and ex-Y2K survivalists pushing this stuff.
I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that what we will see in 2012 is the Summer Olympic Games in London.
And since it's the XXX Olympiad it might get a bit racy. Know what I mean? Know what I mean squire? Nudge, Nudge. Wink, Wink...;)
nikimcbee
12-04-07, 12:59 AM
I'm going to spend the year 2012 in a cave, not to avoid the end of the world but to avoid all the conspiracy theorists and ex-Y2K survivalists pushing this stuff.
I'm also going to go on a limb and say that what we will see in 2012 is the Summer Olympic Games in London.
And since it's the XXX Olympiad it might get a bit racy. Know what I mean? Now what I mean? Nudge, Nudge. Wink, Wink...;)
So who win a superbowl first" Vikes or Seahawks?
Please tell me Nostratorplexed:rotfl:
nikimcbee
12-04-07, 01:04 AM
Are you auditioning to host "Coast-to-Coast"?
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/
Torplexed
12-04-07, 01:06 AM
When the Seahawks win the SuperBowl find yourself a deep hole...because it will be the end of the world as we know it. :rotfl:
"And I'll feel fine...."
nikimcbee
12-04-07, 01:13 AM
When the Seahawks win the SuperBowl find yourself a deep hole...because it will be the end of the world as we know it. :rotfl:
"And I'll feel fine...."
Any other predictions?
Rotary Crewman
12-04-07, 02:05 AM
I have a calender right here on my wall that ends December 31st. OMG! :o
Why have you kept this to yourself for so long!? Let me check mine...ARGGGH!!!! 31st as well! Run for the hills!!
Actually, the polarity does reverse itself on earth from time to time. A tidbit I learned in Geology. According to the Geologic record though, it has no major extinctions linked to it. But your fan might run backwards ;).
Actually, the polarity does reverse itself on earth from time to time. A tidbit I learned in Geology. According to the Geologic record though, it has no major extinctions linked to it. But your fan might run backwards ;).
That's the part i'm kind of interested in. I know it's all just another revelations omg y2k thing but i've read many places from people who arn't nut cases that the earth will be in an alignment with the sun (and apparently some black hole in the centre of the universe :88) ) and it's possible that this will cause polarity to reverse.
We live in a world full of magnets and electricty, if North turns to south will positive swap with negative? That will screw everything electronic on a larger scale than going back to 00 would have with y2k.
It's not the first end of world theory i've gone through but this one has at least SOME credibility to it imo. I'm not about to stock up on water and duct tape though.... I've just always been interested in philosophies and the hole 'golden age' that comes with them.... A certain country in WW2 used to preach about the hole 1000 years of peace, strange for such a murderous evil bunch...
Maybe too many beers. :rotfl:
Kapitan_Phillips
12-04-07, 05:55 AM
And the bad news is we have 5 long years to listen to hucksters selling us on books, videos, misleading documentaries.
If you think that's bad, can you imagine what it must have been like in 1337, with everyone going on about how elite they were going to be when the computer was eventually going to be invented?
:D Chock
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
Skybird
12-04-07, 06:00 AM
Make sure your Windows has the proper updates installed before Decembre 2012.
Simply, I do not know if the earth's poles may switch anytime soon. It has happened before, though, and that seem to have been no pleasant experiences for dear old Earth's surface. If it happens now again, and so soon in the future, I think there is little or nothing we could do abut it anyway, and cannot avoid to suffer whatever is to be suffered from it. Since there is nothing we could do about preventing it, we could stay calm and stoic and wait and see without panicking and without going hysteric.
I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that what we will see in 2012 is the Summer Olympic Games in London.I admire your optimism :)
Tchocky
12-04-07, 07:38 AM
And the bad news is we have 5 long years to listen to hucksters selling us on books, videos, misleading documentaries.
If you think that's bad, can you imagine what it must have been like in 1337, with everyone going on about how elite they were going to be when the computer was eventually going to be invented?
:D Chock
Let's see if I can punch through this monitor :p
If the earths magnetic poles do switch it's not like we'll wake up one fine day and find all our compasses pointing to the south. The switch is a process that takes anywhere from 100 to a few thousand years to complete.
One cool thing about a pole switch is that we may see things like the Aurora Borealis on the equator.
TteFAboB
12-04-07, 08:50 AM
The central american black plague > Mayan calendar.
Is the Mayan Calendar the one with the pictures of cute kittens on it? Or am I thinking of another one?
:D Chock
DeepIron
12-04-07, 10:23 AM
Will windows still work or will it be another Y2k meltdown again? LOL! What non-event!
Back in 2000 I was an IT consultant and boy! did I make a LOT of $$$ leading up to the "New Millenium" crossover... and I did it honestly. I tried to advise my clients concerning the irrational fears regarding mass computer failures on 1/1/2000 that were being propagated in the media and otherwise but people hear and fear what they want.
I did a lot of "upgrades" (mostly MS patches) for my clients and didn't have a single instance of "meltdown"... All my LINUX servers BTW, just kept going....
As was pointed out earlier, the Mayan calendar "rolls over" in 2012. The Doomsayers however, will seize upon anything that even remotely looks "apocalyptic"...
SUBMAN1
12-04-07, 11:06 AM
Who is smoking crack about us being at 'The Center of the Milky Way' in 2012? If you've ever taken astronomy, you would know you are probably 100+ million light years from that center. You are so far from it...
Uggh! Conspiracy theories and and future prophecies. They make great scinece fiction, but are far far far from science fact.
-S
PS. Need I remind you and say you want no where near that center. Black Hole City.
PPS. With our reliance on GPS, I think a sudden magnetic switch would be of minimal disruptiuon if flying.
Conspiracy theories belong in the rubbish bin. :yep:
Furthermore. if any of this should happen, there will not be a believer left to say this, to the disbeliever
-SEE! I was right
Markus
SUBMAN1
12-04-07, 02:33 PM
Furthermore. if any of this should happen, there will not be a believer left to say this, to the disbeliever
-SEE! I was right
Markus:rotfl::D Typical conspiracy theorist.
-S
Who is smoking crack about us being at 'The Center of the Milky Way' in 2012? If you've ever taken astronomy, you would know you are probably 100+ million light years from that center. You are so far from it...
It's not us that's at the centre. Apparently the sun will be passing the 'galactic equator' and we will be in some weird alignment.
This kind of explains it. Lot's of sites out there with little information. Understandable due to the crazy person nature of it.
http://www.geocities.com/astrologyages/images/wintersolsticeanimation.gif
Winter Solstice Animation 1992 - 2020. How to understand the Star Map: The line which goes top left to bottom right is the Galactic Equator. The Sun starts slightly to the left of the Equator at the time of Winter Solstice in 1992 and at Winter Solstice 1997 reaches alignment. By 2012 it's 15 years past alignment, and the disc of the Sun moves completely off the Galactic Equator by 2020. [The horizontal line is the Ecliptic and the other features are nebula which lie in this area of the Milky Way].
The first I read about this was on a Nasa site and it mentioned the possibility of a poles shift due to the sun passing the galactic equator.
Will windows still work or will it be another Y2k meltdown again? LOL! What non-event!
Back in 2000 I was an IT consultant and boy! did I make a LOT of $$$ leading up to the "New Millenium" crossover... and I did it honestly. I tried to advise my clients concerning the irrational fears regarding mass computer failures on 1/1/2000 that were being propagated in the media and otherwise but people hear and fear what they want.
I did a lot of "upgrades" (mostly MS patches) for my clients and didn't have a single instance of "meltdown"... All my LINUX servers BTW, just kept going....
As was pointed out earlier, the Mayan calendar "rolls over" in 2012. The Doomsayers however, will seize upon anything that even remotely looks "apocalyptic"...
LOL!!! I made a bundle on that too! Working new Years Eve alone netted me 4 days of paid vacation :yep:!
Seriously. I believe a magnetic realignment will happen. Today, tomorrow, a million years? I don't claim to know. But if it does happen tomorrow I think the lights will still work. It's be like turn the plug in the socket 180 degrees.
Now, compasses on the other hand... And we'd have to name a South Star so we wouldn't get lost in the Northern Hemisphere :hmm:.
Tchocky
12-04-07, 06:31 PM
Seriously. I believe a magnetic realignment will happen. Today, tomorrow, a million years? I don't claim to know. But if it does happen tomorrow I think the lights will still work. It's be like turn the plug in the socket 180 degrees.
Then we're screwed in Ireland. Damn triangular plugs :p
You and your damn apocalypse!
Person one
I know it's the end of the world
Person two
Really?
Person one
Yes it's the end of the world
Person two
Tell all
Person one
People are having wall to wall sex
Seriously. I believe a magnetic realignment will happen. Today, tomorrow, a million years? I don't claim to know. But if it does happen tomorrow I think the lights will still work. It's be like turn the plug in the socket 180 degrees.
Now, compasses on the other hand... And we'd have to name a South Star so we wouldn't get lost in the Northern Hemisphere :hmm:.
That's pretty much what I think, as I said i'm no conspiracy theory nut I just find it interesting.
baggygreen
12-04-07, 06:33 PM
Well, if it shifts, Down Under will legally be On Top :smug:
Camaero
12-06-07, 03:06 AM
Make sure your Windows has the proper updates installed before Decembre 2012.
Simply, I do not know if the earth's poles may switch anytime soon. It has happened before, though, and that seem to have been no pleasant experiences for dear old Earth's surface. If it happens now again, and so soon in the future, I think there is little or nothing we could do abut it anyway, and cannot avoid to suffer whatever is to be suffered from it. Since there is nothing we could do about preventing it, we could stay calm and stoic and wait and see without panicking and without going hysteric.
Yeah, we could do that...
Or...
We could start the looting! Whoohoo!
Takeda Shingen
12-06-07, 03:40 AM
Person one
People are having wall to wall sex
What those walls do in the privacy of their own homes is one thing, but I'll be dammed before they are allowed to marry. Vote no on Prop 556!
Oh, and the 2012 thing is a load of hoo-haa. The magnetic pole will not shift. Sunspot activity will not fry our satelites. Our atmosphere will not be stripped away due to massive particle bombardment emminating from the center of the galaxy. You'll still be able to complain about the rigged BCS ranking on 1 January.
Skybird
12-06-07, 06:04 AM
Person one
People are having wall to wall sex
What those walls do in the privacy of their own homes is one thing, but I'll be dammed before they are allowed to marry. Vote no on Prop 556!
Oh, and the 2012 thing is a load of hoo-haa. The magnetic pole will not shift. Sunspot activity will not fry our satelites. Our atmosphere will not be stripped away due to massive particle bombardment emminating from the center of the galaxy. You'll still be able to complain about the rigged BCS ranking on 1 January.
You are in need to see this fantastic thriller from New Zealand, "The Quiet Earth", to get yourself grounded again! :D
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