Sorting the Sheep from the Greywolves

[Mush Martin]

OK lads Im concerned that in 60 yrs we havent learned that
the best defence is a good offence.

who among you when in contact with enemy escorts dives
deep and goes silent

or

who among you grapple with the enemy at Peridepth.

[ReallyDedPoet]

You know my story on this one, be interesting to hear what others have to add. The majority of the time I go deep on this one on the rare occassion I will stary close to the surface and try and launch some eels, but this has proven costly for me on more than a few occassions.


RDP

[Jonathan]

I have not run into any convoys yet, but typcially I go low and slow...and then come back hard with the deck gun.

[headcase]

Depends on the situation. HK groups or convoy escorts? Weather conditions, including night. What I currently have for an ordanance loadout. How good is my crew? What is the current state/ attitude/ relative position of my Boat. I try to evaluate the entire situation, and make the call based on what I can do with a reasonable chance of sucess and survival. Everything I put on the bottom hurts the enemy. And the longer I can avoid being put there hurts them even more.

[Mush Martin]

I admit I had considered a neutral option but I decided that what I meant
was your preference what comes more naturally to you
M

[Chock]

Normally I prefer going for long shots with several simultaneous hits on things by timing the shots, so hopefully I never get into trouble, but if it comes to close stuff I generally stay close, go deep and hide under the convoy, then when the escorts get bored or look in the wrong place, I sometimes come up and have a crack at them, the deciding factor usually being how many tubes and fish I have and how good I think they are. It requires a lot of careful listening on the hydrophones, but I think that's one of the fun parts of the sim to be honest.

If it isn't favourable, I'll feck off in the opposite direction. So neither one nor the other, but both, depending on how good they are.

:D Chock

[Mush Martin]

Well I endorse the simultaneous first strike method for sure.

No warning
too late
no detection

good pass.
M

[headcase]

Sink 'em all. I just try not to do anything too stupid.

[TarJak]

It is really situational with me. Mostly I avoid the escorts as much as possible, but when there is an opportunity too good to resist I'll give them a red hot go.

[d@rk51d3]

It depends what the escorts are escorting. If it's a few small ships, I'll ignore it and slip away. If the target's big enough, go in with tubes blazing and send the lot to the bottom.

[Brer Rabbit]

Slow and quiet, in order to fight another day. To paraphrase an old military addage: There are Old Kapitans and there are Bold Kapitans, but there are on Old Bold Kapitans.

[Mush Martin]

The Reasoned argument

less consumed air
better situational awareness
escort weapons a danger to themselves
although reduced shooting times targets are larger
Eliminated escorts are permanent evaded escorts arent.
although the turning fight consumes your power faster
its over faster and the pickens can come after a recharge
or if equipped you can use schnorkel in game at least
to make sudden high speed maneuvers in evasion or positioning.
this often solicits perimiter escorts to fire inadvertantly on the
escorts in close proximity to you causing a protracted friendly fire
issue between the escorts. and removing you from there attention
also its somewhat more stimulating than sitting on bottom for hours.
:arrgh!:M

[Oberon]

If it's a lone warship then I'll see about taking a shot, however if it's a group of the sods, then I steer WELL clear, at the moment anyway, primarily because I'm usually in shallow water when I come across them.

[JohnnyBlaze]

With an Uber boot like yours (in the picture) I would happily stay on the surface, but with my standard IXB I rather dive deep and go silent just to fight another day as it was pointed out by Mr. Brer Rabbit


hmm I just realized that it's been well over 3 months of my last visit here at the Subsim. Clad to see some familiar "faces" still around

[Mush Martin]

In this case I did mean Standard subs I still stay up even in a typeII
for the above stated advantages of the position.
M

[edit] especially in a type II as I need the
enemies D/C's as I dont have enough
torpedos without cheating on the reloads.

[sasquatch]

I generally stay close to periscope depth because sonar conditions are terrible there when there are waves. Or, at least that is my theory...

[Mush Martin]

With an Uber boot like yours (in the picture) I would happily stay on the surface, but with my standard IXB I rather dive deep and go silent just to fight another day as it was pointed out by Mr. Brer Rabbit


hmm I just realized that it's been well over 3 months of my last visit here at the Subsim. Clad to see some familiar "faces" still around

Im not sure but I think that deserves a thankyou:up:

[JohnnyBlaze]

With an Uber boot like yours (in the picture) I would happily stay on the surface, but with my standard IXB I rather dive deep and go silent just to fight another day as it was pointed out by Mr. Brer Rabbit


hmm I just realized that it's been well over 3 months of my last visit here at the Subsim. Clad to see some familiar "faces" still around
Im not sure but I think that deserves a thankyou:up:


You're welcome :lol:

[Jonathan]

I really think that there is something to be said for playing it safe and still completing your goals and sinking ships. I always think about it this way: What confuses and scares the enemy more? Knowing that when they are attacked, it will come a seen and confirmed enemy or, knowing when they are attacked, they will be the last to know it?

[Avatar]

I selected "go deep," as that is my SOP. But weather permitting I try to stick around at PD and go for some more tonnage.

[JohnnyBlaze]

In this case I did mean Standard subs I still stay up even in a typeII
for the above stated advantages of the position.
M

[edit] especially in a type II as I need the
enemies D/C's as I dont have enough
torpedos without cheating on the reloads.

That's some bold tactics you're using :up:

I've been rammed too many times and by that lost the situational awareness so I'll just be a sheep and dive lol

[STEED]

It is really situational with me. Mostly I avoid the escorts as much as possible, but when there is an opportunity too good to resist I'll give them a red hot go.

Same here. :yep:

[Mush Martin]

In this case I did mean Standard subs I still stay up even in a typeII
for the above stated advantages of the position.
M

[edit] especially in a type II as I need the
enemies D/C's as I dont have enough
torpedos without cheating on the reloads.
That's some bold tactics you're using :up:

I've been rammed too many times and by that lost the situational awareness so I'll just be a sheep and dive lol


it requires a bit of luck and a lot of deceptive maneuvering
in anycase..........

I tend to have the enemy approaching me from the bow
when Im in reverse as my sudden speed and change
of angle is too agile under that circumstance.

or at least most times they get there share of me I suppose.
M

[Mush Martin]

It is really situational with me. Mostly I avoid the escorts as much as possible, but when there is an opportunity too good to resist I'll give them a red hot go.
Same here. :yep:

Hiya Steed long time no see.
M

[Mush Martin]

Sink 'em all. I just try not to do anything too stupid.

its a bit belated but "this is me we're talking about"

[STEED]

Hiya Steed long time no see.
M

Where you been in the pub? :rotfl:

[Mush Martin]

That would be a big headache

been reading and researching about
eight or so subjects I just seem to have
A-D-D at times

[mr chris]

People who have played MP with me will say that my motto is Go Hard and Go At Em Fast:arrgh!:

[STEED]

That would be a big headache

been reading and researching about
eight or so subjects I just seem to have
A-D-D at times

These -
Best pub guide 2008
How to drink and look cool
Drinking and Zen the art of going to the toilet

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Just joking back to the topic.

[Kpt, Otto]

I tend to run silent run deep when being hunted. However when I cant shake them off and its me or them then I go on the offensive and blow them out of the water!

Convoys, Warship encounters, sneak in sneak out if I can. :yep: I try to keep things as real as possible.

[kiwi_2005]

Take the enemy on or die trying.

[Oberon]

I came close to giving one of the five destroyers that were harrassing me a torpedo yesterday, they'd all run out of D/Cs and I was beginning to get nervous about my Battery, CO2 and O2 supply, but thankfully, seven hours after they started, they sodded off and left me alone. :D

[robj250]

I didn't vote because the options were not suitable for my choices.

Normally, on my way to my grid zone and come across a lone warship, I'll take her out if the situation allows it.

If I'm attacking a convoy, I prefer nights and/or bad weather. I'll take out as many merchants as I can. But, when I'm being bothered by an escort, I'll try to take it out. But if that is not possible, then I'll go deep and sneak away.

However, I never attack a convoy in shallow waters.

I have just engaged a convoy at night and in bad weather and was able to take out two ships before a J Class DD came after me and I had to go deep, then silent running at 1 kt manouvering to get away. This time I had some top damage. I managed to get away and surface and make my repairs and load my externals. Now, there were two Troop Transports in that convoy, so, I'm going to shadow it and hope the weather stays bad and when it is suitable, I'm go in and take out those two transports and anything else I can. I'd love to take out that J Class DD which caused me to cut off my attack and gave my ship some damage.

I will be posting my attack sometime today as soon as I get it up on Youtube.

Rob

[Mush Martin]

Danke herr Rob Danke :up:

still its about what feels more comfortable
not necessarly are you limited to a single approach
you should vote with your feelings.
M

[robj250]

OK lads Im concerned that in 60 yrs we havent learned that
the best defence is a good offence.

who among you when in contact with enemy escorts dives
deep and goes silent

or

who among you grapple with the enemy at Peridepth.

Okay Mush Martin, I voted and I'm surprised there are so many which "Go Deep and Go Quiet".

Hey, Donitz sent the boats out to take on the enemy, preferably, but can't you take on a warship?????

Take out a warship and it takes the enemy (well in the real world) more time to build more escorts.

[Mush Martin]

it was a viable strategem that I feel Doenitz should have tried in the
first two years of the war.

the extreme shortage of escorts in the early war indicated a vulnerability
that should have been exploited.

The assault on escorts yeilds long term dividends in the enemys overall
vulnerability.

M

[Herr_Pete]

I tend to stay on periscope depth no matter what im up against. Il stay at silent running n keep the scope as low down as possible! i don;t like to go down deep n then come back up and have to move myself into a better position. keep track of what happening. Obviosuly il go deep if the situation gets out of hand.

I also like to go for the front escorts. If i manage top take them out il stay on periscope depth and go ahead flank so i am in closer then back to silent running. Then work from there. So far so good.

[Jonathan]

Remember, we're using unterseeboots here...not battleships. :up:

[Thunder]

I normally do a Kretchmer, and go deep into a convoy , then shack up next to one of the slower merchies,real close, the escorts try to get you but don't, for fear of the merchant, so they circle round, and when they do...
In the early war years it possible to take out all the escorts,even with manual firing(300 meters roughly) ,sure you use alot of torpedoes,sometimes all but if its a calm day and the escorts are taken care of, you go up top and its a wolf in the henhouse...:D
just stay real close to the merchant.

[Wreford-Brown]

PD and hammer them.
It can get very expensive in acoustic torps!

[Oberon]

Just to show I'm not always a sheep...

I didn't have enough time to get out of the way, so I stuck to the surface and hammered it out with torps and deckgun. Cost me 50% hull and an officer for 15K tonnes.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7526/sothatswhatitlookslikesa5.jpg

[Mush Martin]

No one would accuse you of sheepish behaviour even before this
action.

condolences to the widow of your crewman and to the officers
and men of your Boat.
M

[Oberon]

Thanks Mush, won't seem the same without him. I'm very lucky that the TIIs I fired in vain at it before he came into proper gun fire range actually hit. Had to limp back to Wilhelmshaven, but received a Ritterkreuz mit Eichenlaub...I'm having a word with Uncle Karl about getting a Ritterkreuz for my departed watch officer.

[Mush Martin]

So guys when were talking about Oberon please kindly in the spirit
of sympathy use the word Mutton.
:rotfl:
M out

[STEED]

I am :cool:

[bookworm_020]

I stay at periscope depth for as long as I can, reloading tubes and knocking off Merchants and tankers till either they're all sunk or the escorts come after me and I need to be else where!:arrgh!:

[Sigurd]

My usual plan is to go to PD and watch. I dont like going after escorts, as I have a habit of my eels bouncing off the hulls (and this is with auto-plotting :huh: ), which usually ends up with me being depth charged.

If the escort will pass by me without noticing, I'll look for targets and plan accordingly. If I'll need to take it out, I try using magnetic triggers, as I've had more success with them recently. If I'm detected, I see if there's any good targets I can shoot at before diving (and cry a little when I see large tankers and other big tonnage ships outside a good gyro angle).

[sasquatch]

My usual plan is to go to PD and watch. I dont like going after escorts, as I have a habit of my eels bouncing off the hulls (and this is with auto-plotting :huh: ), which usually ends up with me being depth charged.

If the escort will pass by me without noticing, I'll look for targets and plan accordingly. If I'll need to take it out, I try using magnetic triggers, as I've had more success with them recently. If I'm detected, I see if there's any good targets I can shoot at before diving (and cry a little when I see large tankers and other big tonnage ships outside a good gyro angle).

"Good gyro-angle." Isn't any angle good for magnetic torps? I have better success with them at "bad" gryo angles than "good" ones.

[Mush Martin]

I agree with Sasquatch on this one in magnetic shooting a longditudinal
shot is much more effective than a perpendicular one seemingly because
the momentum in a perpendicular shot seems to carry the blast effect
out from under the ship a little where in longditudinal shots all the blast
is centered. or so it seems in testing.
M

[Koondawg]

depends alot on the time of day/night...weather conditions, fog, rain? all of these I take into consideration....
calm seas at sunup...im taking a shot at one of the escorts on the corner while I head a course through the convoy, bobbing up and down from 25-13m spending 1 tube on any one ship...ill come back to finish em off later...seems to work for me

now rainy and whitecaps...gota be carefull...Ive had a Black Swan park on my ars and 5 sailors knock on the hatch before I new what was going on....

at night its anyones ballgame...cause I cant see sheyot so I put my walking stick out tube one and just feel around till I hit something :huh:

[Brag]

I am a quiet, cowardly, silent skulker of the deep. :|\\

[Brag]

I agree with Sasquatch on this one in magnetic shooting a longditudinal
shot is much more effective than a perpendicular one seemingly because
the momentum in a perpendicular shot seems to carry the blast effect
out from under the ship a little where in longditudinal shots all the blast
is centered. or so it seems in testing.
M

Mush is right. A magnetic perpendicular may go past the target and exploding on the opposite side. whereas a torpedo arriving at an angle will habe more time under the keel for the pistol to activate. I have often aimed forward of the bridge and had the torp explode under the engine room, causing catastrophic damage. :know:

Check out magnetic torpedo article on my webbie.

[Mush Martin]

Say Brag where does JSB weigh in on this question..........?
as if I need ask
M

[Brag]

Say Brag where does JSB weigh in on this question..........?
as if I need ask
M

Lt.z.S. Otto Kalb writes:

Captain Balz approaches convoys at PD and gets inside the convoy. He picks three large targets, usually two for front tubes and one for stern. By the time torpedoes begin to explode, we are at thirty or so meters deep and doing Brag's wiggle-waggle.

By the time escorts arrive, we are deep and silent, softly humming the Hoochie-woochie.

Capt. Balz saves his bravado for the officers' club.

[Sigurd]

I agree with Sasquatch on this one in magnetic shooting a longditudinal
shot is much more effective than a perpendicular one seemingly because
the momentum in a perpendicular shot seems to carry the blast effect
out from under the ship a little where in longditudinal shots all the blast
is centered. or so it seems in testing.
M

Mush is right. A magnetic perpendicular may go past the target and exploding on the opposite side. whereas a torpedo arriving at an angle will habe more time under the keel for the pistol to activate. I have often aimed forward of the bridge and had the torp explode under the engine room, causing catastrophic damage. :know:

Check out magnetic torpedo article on my webbie.
Hmm, interesting. I guess that's why the tanker rolled away from me when I shot it :hmm:

Thanks for the heads up in any case, maybe I'll increase my tonnage per patrol now :up:

[GoldenRivet]

i selected go deep and go quiet.

i know in the end its just a game, and one great thing about SH3 is that the realism can be tailored to meet the play style of each individual player.

personally, i like a challenge, and i like to follow historical u-boat doctrine as closely as possible within the constraints of SH3.

this includes (on my realism campaigns) manual target data gathering and manual solutions.

anyone who plays the game on higher realism settings or - any u-boat commander in real life - who tried to tough it out at periscope depth grappling with 3 or 4 or more destroyers would be fish food. :nope:

but if you have arcade firing solutions and no dud torpedos and unlimited batteris and unlimited oxygen selected ON then grappling with anything at periscope depth is going to be a piece of cake... no contest.

[Sigurd]

but if you have arcade firing solutions and no dud torpedos and unlimited batteris and unlimited oxygen selected ON then grappling with anything at periscope depth is going to be a piece of cake... no contest.
Not nessicarily. I play this way cause I just havent gotten good enough yet, but its still difficult to sink ships at times. Just because the computer does everything for me doesnt mean I automatically sink everything in my path. I cant even count the number of torpedoes I've had bounce off the hulls of ships, and others just plain miss (often times leading to me getting attacked).

[GoldenRivet]

we all learn to play the game that way... and like i said... its a good thing about SH3 that it allows such a wide range of realism settings.

and dont get me wrong, im not ripping on any particular play style... im just saying that from a realism standpoint it would be pretty unlikely for a u-boat commander to duke it out at periscope depth against an armada of destroyers.

[Tex]

I stay at pariscope depth and attack them by simply pivoting the boat around as needed. Draw them in close, about 500 meters, then use a fast torpedo on them... works everytime. If there are too many I'll attack everyone I can then go deep and escape. :)

[U49]

My primary task is to interrupt the supply routes to the european theater.
Secondary task is to neutralize enemy battle assets.

That secondary task can be fulfilled either by inflicting damage to high profile target like carriers or battleships, or by threatening primary targets, so valuable destroyers are bound to defend my primary targets.

To fullfill these tasks I need to close in on my targets. That means passing the outer screen....
If I have a good position and good target solution (to a convoy) I go deep and silent to break UNDER the screen but TOWARDS my targets.
If my posrion is not favorable or I'm still missing data about my target I need to stay on at least PD. Even if this means to fight my way THROUGH the escort screen. :rock:

[Pablo]

Hi!

It all depends on the situation. Destroyers as targets are pretty lean on tonnage and renown, but if there are only one or two guarding a convoy, I'll go for the escort(s) first and then slowly pick the convoy to pieces over the next couple of days.

I won't pursue a patrolling destroyer, but I will attack if they give me a good shot.

In a well-defended convoy, I'll use the forward tubes on merchants and save the stern tubes in the event a destroyer is chasing me and getting too close.

Best exploit: torpedo a destroyer patrolling near a port or in an area with a bunch of islands or peninsulas. Every patrolling destroyer for miles will come running in a straight line, and often run themselves aground doing so. Then you can torpedo the folks who have run aground or you can try to go for the now-undefended port (watch out for the minefields and nets, though).

Pablo

[Samwolf]

"He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day"

Go deep and silent 98% of the time. I have been known to try and fight it out at periscope depth on occasion.

[Kaptain Hans Wolf]

i always go low, and stay very quiet! i guess it depends on the realism settings people play on.

[Platapus]

The orders I receive are "sink enemy shipping"

Seems pretty clear to me


Wir Fahren Gegen Engelland

[seafarer]

There is a fine line between valor and recklessness, between a strong fighting spirit and a feckless lust for action. A good captain walks that tightrope with every enemy encounter, and must treat each one uniquely as presented to him at the time.

That said, I'm just really glad that I have the safety net of merely being a virtual captain, not a real one :D (I clearly have crappy balance some days :damn: or someone's been greasing the tightrope).

[Gezur(Arbeit)]

I dont waste my torps for bloody escorts.....

[flag4]

get out the way, stay down, no heroics - i've done the 'stand and fight' and always got lamped.

thinking as though i had a real crew always makes me pull back and breathe, plot and wait...

[SubCommander7142]

I place faith that somehow, someway I am able to turn an advantage in the conflict between a Destroyer and myself. If I can't then more than likely I will dive. Often they make mistakes and I capitlize on it with an eel or two, but never have I done a toe to toe number against one with a deck gun and fowl language :arrgh!:

[-SWCowboy.]

I throw caution to the wind and torps at my enemies... Koon will vouch for me on that remark.

It gets me in trouble half the time though... :nope:

[Jimbuna]

Deep and quiet mostly.....unless the bugger can't be shook off before batteries or air runs out. Then it's PD and have a go with an eel :x

[Mush Martin]

Deep and quiet mostly.....unless the bugger can't be shook off before batteries or air runs out. Then it's PD and have a go with an eel :x

you never did mention if you tried that "Leading Reversal"
tactic of a few months back?

[Grayson02sept1980]

depends on the boat I have

With a IX I kill the pesky escort
with my VII i sneak in hit hard and evade

"Mean - green and unseen" :smug:

[Konovalov]

A torpedo for an escort just doesn't seem a fair trade. ;) I almost always avoid engaging escorts. I tend to slip away and look to re-engage the convoy at a place of my choosing. I try to remember that this business is all about racking up as much tonnage as possible. So I always try to maximise my tonnage to torp ratio. :yep:

However having said all that it was only the other day that I took on an escort at periscope depth with a Type VIIb and won. The situation was a little unique in that the convoy had comprised of about 15-18 merchant vessels along with a single escort at the front and one large capital ship at the center, which I can't remember what it was called, possibly a Nelson. Anyway I made my first approach on the convoy and targeted the capital ship with three eels along with a fourth eel at a merchant tanker. My initial attack was a success sending both ships to the bottom. Happy days. I then withdrew by going deep and silent while above the lone escort got angry but to little effect.

About five hours later and it was dawn and I had managed to position myself infront of the convoy for a second attack. This time however I decided to take on the lone escort because firstly it was the only offensive ship left in the convoy and the weather was perfect for the deck gun to be used on the rest of the convoy in combination with my remaining torpedoes. I lined myself up and tought I had a decent solution on the lone escort. I set my torp to magnetic and fired from a range of around 750 yards. I missed. :damn: The escort responded by doing a sweeping turn and heading straight towards me. At this stage the distance apart was around 1000 yards so rather than dive as fast as I could I just pointed my bow directly atthe steaming escort who was heading right for me. I quickly set the settings of another torpedo to magnetic to detonate below it. By the time I launched the distance between us was only 550-600 yards. Surely I wouldn't be cursed with two magnetic pistol failures in a row. Thankfully there was no torpedo malfuction as I viewed the escort heave out of the water from the force of the torpedo explosion. :arrgh!:

And after that rare engagement of an escort I happily surfaced my boat smack bang in the middle of a wounded convoy and began pounding it with my 88 deck gun and torps for the entire day until I sadly ran out of ammo and had to return back to base. The early days really were happy days. :sunny: Can't say I'm looking forward to a convoy full of armed merchant vessels. :down:

Edit: Having returned home from work I checked my Captain's log in SHIII Commander and can confirm that it was the HMS Nelson and all 36,000 tons of her that I sunk. :smug: It was on my third patrol December 3rd 1939. Total return for that patrol was 16 ships sunk for total tonnage of 89289. Happy days. :up:

[FIREWALL]

To start with I am useing GWX2.0 at 100% realism.

I am currently reading the bio of Wolfgang Luth an agressive and competent u-boat Ace for the third time and am trying to copy his career as best as SH-3 and GWX2 will allow.

He knew when to Holdem and knew when to Foldem. :D

[Jimbuna]

Deep and quiet mostly.....unless the bugger can't be shook off before batteries or air runs out. Then it's PD and have a go with an eel :x

you never did mention if you tried that "Leading Reversal"
tactic of a few months back?

You got me there mate :hmm:

Pray tell, remind this tired old brain :lol:

[Jimbuna]

To start with I am useing GWX2.0 at 100% realism.

I am currently reading the bio of Wolfgang Luth an agressive and competent u-boat Ace for the third time and am trying to copy his career as best as SH-3 and GWX2 will allow.

He knew when to Holdem and knew when to Foldem. :D

A true wolf in sheeps clothing http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/wolfinsheepsclothing.gif

[Keelbuster]

ALVAYS ATTACK!!!

(a theme from the U-boat Commander's Handbook)

[FIREWALL]

To start with I am useing GWX2.0 at 100% realism.

I am currently reading the bio of Wolfgang Luth an agressive and competent u-boat Ace for the third time and am trying to copy his career as best as SH-3 and GWX2 will allow.

He knew when to Holdem and knew when to Foldem. :D

A true wolf in sheeps clothing http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/wolfinsheepsclothing.gif

Wolfgang Lüth (15 October (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_15) 1913 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1913) – 13 May (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_13) 1945 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1945)) was the second most successful German (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany) U-boat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-Boat) ace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aces_of_the_Deep) of World War II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II). He also was the youngest German ever appointed captain, and the youngest to ever command the Naval Academy Mürwik (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Academy_M%C3%BCrwik). Lüth was one of the only two German Navy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Navy) officers, both U-boat (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-boat) captains, who received the Knight's Cross (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knight%27s_Cross) with Oak Leaves, Swords, and Diamonds

[danurve]

Sometimes by chance you find your boat in a particular situation that unveils a convoy attack method to be very (tonnageable). :yep:
With at least 4 escorts around, if I can aproach, attack, & escape at PD going deep is an after thought or last resort. Of course not all goes by the book, and in calm seas going deep is a safe bet.

[Mush Martin]

Deep and quiet mostly.....unless the bugger can't be shook off before batteries or air runs out. Then it's PD and have a go with an eel :x
you never did mention if you tried that "Leading Reversal"
tactic of a few months back?
You got me there mate :hmm:

Pray tell, remind this tired old brain :lol:


Leading the approach of the escort with an aft 2/3rds
inside sharp curve and breaking contact with an all
ahead short straight run followed with a shallow inside curve.
lead em in and leave em behind.
( the tricky bit is making the timing so you still
make it outside the pattern diameter)


admittedly its been a while.

[Redfoxx]

If faced with only one escort, I will stay at scope depth, turn my stern to him, set a torp to 2 metres and wait until he registers about 800 metres and closing. Up the throat, crash dive with hard left turn and PRAY REAL HARD. More than one escort and it is no contest- get out of Dodge fast.
Sic volvare Parcas " So spin the Fates"

[kiwi_2005]

Depends i think on the year. Early in the war im a happy trigger mad hatter. 41 onwards i weigh my posibilities of survival if it dont look good then i'll fire wildly into the convoy at 2-3000 yrds and go deep and run.

[T.Von Hogan]

They be bad in gwx 2.0 i got sunk by a tribal early 42 bastage dodged 4 different shots, i'll give em hell this career starting with the nelson on my current and 1st mission in my 2nd gwx 2 career.

[Sniper_Fox]

all you need is good men.

and anti-sonar hull coatings:rotfl: