Welsh dragon call for the Union Flag [Archive]

Rotary Crewman

11-27-07, 04:57 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7114248.stm

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg/250px-Flag_of_the_United_Kingdom.svg.pnghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Flag_of_Wales_2.svg/210px-Flag_of_Wales_2.svg.png

A Welsh MP is calling for the Welsh dragon to be added to the Union Flag. I have no bad thoughts toward this but I would like it to be tasteful. How would it look? How could the iconic Union flag be changed at all? Any thoughts?

Letum

11-27-07, 05:12 AM

A iuntresting idea that crops up every now and again.

Not going to happen tho.

Cost
Sentimentality
Tradition
Recognition

Any one of those is enough to veto it.

Skybird

11-27-07, 05:57 AM

Imagine: the dragon without the white and green bar, put in the low right corner, not bigger than 1/9 of the union jack's size.

Wouldn't look too shabby.

Rotary Crewman

11-27-07, 06:14 AM

If anywhere i'd imagine it would go in the top left as most flags seem to do it.

Skybird

11-27-07, 07:27 AM

If anywhere i'd imagine it would go in the top left as most flags seem to do it.
Let's don't be picky. :)

Only spare the centre. That would be a bit rich. :p

Rotary Crewman

11-27-07, 07:33 AM

:lol:

Sorry, my old graphic design picky-ness flowing through there!

The centre would be a catastrophe.

Here's a flag I found with not only the welsh dragon, but the Cornwall crest! Can't see this one coming to light!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Union_Flag_%28including_Wales_and_Cornwall%29.png/800px-Union_Flag_%28including_Wales_and_Cornwall%29.png

lesrae

11-27-07, 08:29 AM

There's a nicely done explanation of the flag and it's history here: http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/geography/unionjack2.html

Intersting that they say Wales aren't entitled to be on the flag because they aren't a kingdom, they're a principality...

STEED

11-27-07, 09:09 AM

Bloody Taffs :p

Rotary Crewman

11-27-07, 09:09 AM

Great little website which answered a few questions I had.

Thanks!

Happy Times

11-27-07, 09:18 AM

From the website...

"In 2003, a campaign was launched to try and modernise the red, white and blue flag by adding a touch of black to reflect multicultural Britain in the 21st Century. The proposed new flag (see right) was the work of Nigel Turner, an enthusiastic fan of the UK's transformation into a multiracial society over the past 50 years. The campaign was sucessful."

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/images/new.jpg

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/geography/unionjack6.html

:doh:

Letum

11-27-07, 09:49 AM

From the website...

"In 2003, a campaign was launched to try and modernise the red, white and blue flag by adding a touch of black to reflect multicultural Britain in the 21st Century. The proposed new flag (see right) was the work of Nigel Turner, an enthusiastic fan of the UK's transformation into a multiracial society over the past 50 years. The campaign was sucessfulululul."

http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/customs/images/new.jpg

jack6.html (http://www.woodlands-junior.kent.sch.uk/geography/unionjack6.html)

:doh:
Nigel Turner is a loon who has no influence in art, politics, history or any other
discipline that might give him the slightest authority on what a flag should look like or
represent.

It is foolish to pay the slightest attention to him.
There are hundreds of idiots, no more remarkable than him, across the globe.

The only reason this got in the news at all was because of it's base, sensationalist value.

Rotary Crewman

11-27-07, 10:51 AM

How exactly was it successful? I haven't seen one flying

Letum

11-27-07, 11:00 AM

How exactly was it successful?
It got in the sunday papers.

In Nigel Turner's insular world, (totaly disconected from any other) this means it "raised awareness".

In reality it caused a right wing media frenzy amongst all the lowest-common-denominator papers who, quite rightly, lambasted him to within a inch of him noticeing what a idiot the rest of the country found him to be.

Rotary Crewman

11-27-07, 11:18 AM

It got in the sunday papers.

Ah, thanks for clearing it up. I do love our press...:roll:

Sailor Steve

11-27-07, 07:57 PM

Great little website which answered a few questions I had.

Thanks!
Me, too.

Thanks!

Reaves

11-28-07, 01:06 AM

Let's put it this way.

UK changes the flag and we (plus many other Commonwealth nations) change our flag to not have the jack in it anymore.

I don't want that to happen.

STEED

11-28-07, 05:20 AM

This topic is on the radio as I type this post out and it's a HOT topic.

The Brits are ringing in to the show saying no, one went as far to say it's time to wage war on the Welsh. :huh:

Rotary Crewman

11-28-07, 06:10 AM

Yes! Lets rise up and fight the Welsh!

Lets march over the border with our Army...well they are all busy so maybe our Territorial Army...oh yeah they are all busy as well, well our Marines and Paras....oh they are busy too...

Nevermind, lets just leave it.

XabbaRus

11-28-07, 07:09 AM

Cut out the red dragon and stick it in the middle of the red cross.....:rock:

mrbeast

11-28-07, 07:58 AM

Wales can't appear appear on the flag because

a. Technically its part of England and has been sice the 13th Century. Therefore it is represented by the cross of St George as the national flag of England.

b. Its a principality and not a kingdom. The Union Flag only shows the kingdoms that make up the United Kingdom of England, Ireland an Scotland.

:know:

Letum

11-28-07, 08:02 AM

a. Technically its part of England and has been sice the 13th Century. Therefore is represented by the cross of St George as the national flag of England.

"Technically" Scotland and Northern Ireland are not part of England. :know:

Britain perhaps, England; no!

bigboywooly

11-28-07, 03:54 PM

Ummm yes true Letum - they are not part of England so appear on the flag
What MrB is saying is Wales IS technically part of ENGLAND so is therefore already represented on the Union flag by the cross of St George

Jimbuna

11-28-07, 04:47 PM

At least one of the British possessions got their flag right :lol:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7881/largeflagoffalklandislavz2.gif (http://imageshack.us)

Rotary Crewman

11-28-07, 04:48 PM

We could add a sheep to the flag for the Welsh...:hmm:

STEED

11-28-07, 05:16 PM

This issue will go the way of many other silly ideas right down the plug hole. ;)

Letum

11-28-07, 05:36 PM

Ummm yes true Letum - they are not part of England so appear on the flag
What MrB is saying is Wales IS technically part of ENGLAND so is therefore already represented on the Union flag by the cross of St George

ohhhhh! "IS"

Kapitan_Phillips

11-28-07, 08:50 PM

Yes! Lets rise up and fight the Welsh!

Lets march over the border with our Army...well they are all busy so maybe our Territorial Army...oh yeah they are all busy as well, well our Marines and Paras....oh they are busy too...

Nevermind, lets just leave it.

Hang on, my parents just moved to Ystalyfera. Let me get them out before you go in there and mess things up ;)