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letting children name a Teddy bear Muhammad.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20071126/tuk-woman-held-in-sudan-over-teddy-name-6323e80_4.html
What is the matter with these people. :nope:
Well it's all been said before. :yep:
Let's just hope they decide not to.
waste gate
11-26-07, 03:27 PM
Perhaps if muslims understood how revered for love and tenderness teddy bear is known the lash would be withheld. Or maybe not. I don't know.
Perhaps if muslims understood how revered for its love and tenderness the teddy bear is known for the lash would be withheld. Or maybe not. I don't know.
I'll bet at least half the kids in that class are named Muhammed...
Jimbuna
11-26-07, 05:39 PM
Absolutely bloody crazy :damn:
I bet she's glad she isn't sharing the same fate as Gordon http://imgcash1.imageshack.us/img265/4009/shockedyi3.gif
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Skybird
11-26-07, 05:51 PM
I would like to have a present box with little Muhammads made of marcipane, so that I can bite their heads off. I love marcipane, at least as long as it is made by Niederegger.
Actually, considering the Teddy was orignally named after a US president, you'd think they'd view renaming it that as a plus point! Guess irony isn't big in that part of the world.
:D Chock
Tchocky
11-26-07, 05:55 PM
Actually, considering the Teddy was orignally named after a US president, you'd think they'd view renaming it that as a plus point! Guess irony isn't big in that part of the world.
:D Chock
There's a lot of that about these days
"You call us murderers!?! DIE!"
And my favourite -
"You're the axis of evil!"
"No, you're the axis of evil!"
bookworm_020
11-26-07, 07:23 PM
Actually, considering the Teddy was orignally named after a US president, you'd think they'd view renaming it that as a plus point! Guess irony isn't big in that part of the world.
:D Chock There's a lot of that about these days
"You call us murderers!?! DIE!"
And my favourite -
"You're the axis of evil!"
"No, you're the axis of evil!"
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
I hope she gets a fine. Can the kids be charged as they were part of the crime? they should have all known better!
I would like to have a present box with little Muhammads made of marcipane, so that I can bite their heads off. I love marcipane, at least as long as it is made by Niederegger.
I thought you Germans already have a supply of little Muhammeds.
http://www.gummibears.com/images/gummi_bears/gummi_bears_250x251.jpg
I hate fanatics of any religion but Islamic countries really peeve me.
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Hey look, I drew Muhhamed! Does that mean there is a Jihad on me?
Torplexed
11-26-07, 08:35 PM
I hate fanatics of any religion but Islamic countries really peeve me.
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Hey look, I drew Muhhamed! Does that mean there is a Jihad on me?
Die infidel swine!!!!!
Yeah...I guess so. :rotfl:
Die infidel swine!!!!!
Yeah...I guess so. :rotfl:
Hahah I got you! it was actually Jesus! hahahaha.
Does that mean there is a crusade on me now? ;)
Torplexed
11-26-07, 08:41 PM
Hahah I got you! it was actually Jesus! hahahaha.
Does that mean there is a crusade on me now? ;)
Considering how contemporary artists have approached the subject of Jesus you're probably due an appearance on some cable network talk show after the appropriate news media furor....or Oprah. ;)
bookworm_020
11-26-07, 08:43 PM
Hahah I got you! it was actually Jesus! hahahaha.
Does that mean there is a crusade on me now? ;)
Considering how contemporary artists have approached the subject of Jesus you're probably due an appearance on some cable network talk show after the appropriate news media furor....or Oprah. ;)
Well at least he would get some money!:hmm:
Pfft there's no money in religion....
:rotfl:
Ducimus
11-26-07, 09:50 PM
Pfft there's no money in religion....
:rotfl:
LOL are you kidding me? It's big buisness! Religion takes in millions of dollars a year, and pays no taxes! We are all in the wrong line of work i tell ya!
And wow, 40 lash's for naming your teddy bear mohammad. I can see their court judge now... "Silence! I kill you!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
Pfft there's no money in religion....
:rotfl:
LOL are you kidding me? It's big buisness! Religion takes in millions of dollars a year, and pays no taxes! We are all in the wrong line of work i tell ya!
Hehe i'm joking. I've seen this teleavangelist asking people to donate money so he could spread the word of the lord.... in a learjet. :damn:
Religion is a great thing, until it's taken too far.
Put all Muslim extremists on an island and nuke it!:yep:
If you want immigrants to the west to adopt our culture to some extent, then we
should not be surprised that we are asked to adopt a different culture when we emigrate.
At the very least, the rule of law.
I don't agree with the law of that country, but if it is there, we should not be shocked
when it is used.
When in Rome...
I hope she gets a fine.
Lets hope the case falls through!
Skybird
11-27-07, 06:09 AM
In principle I agree with Letum, just want to add that we should aslo cancel all relations and trading with them.
Which of course has a precodntiion to become independant from Muslim oil first. Which nobody really cared for since the world oil crisis in the early 70s.
Conclusions, anyone? ;)
Saudi Arabia - pfffft. What else to say. that does not save from our self-choosen fate to work FOR them once they have run out of oil - becasue we allowed them to buy themselves into our economical and industrial properties, and own them.
So yes, complain about the lacking humanism and reason in that place. but please be fair :) : also complain about our own stupidity and shortsightedness.
we should aslo cancel all relations and trading with them.
I'm not sure the UK can afford to cancel trade with every nation that has such
barbaric laws.
I don't think the EU could impose trade restrictions, but if it could then that would be
much more effective.
That said, we certainly should have better conditional trade agreements with them.
Trade agreements are more lasting and effective at changing policy abroad. The
changing of Turkish law to fit in to the EU's membership criteria and the
commonwealth criteria are good, obvious examples. However, there are countless one-to-one
examples with other countries.
Of course, it wouldn't be easy with politically isolated countries like the Sudan. Total
cessation of trade and diplomatic relations will only make it more politically isolated.
It might help, but it's a poor long term strategy.
Skybird
11-27-07, 06:41 AM
we should aslo cancel all relations and trading with them.
I'm not sure the UK can afford to cancel trade with every nation that has such
barbaric laws.
I don't think the EU could impose trade restrictions, but if it could then that would be
much more effective.
That said, we certainly should have better conditional trade agreements with them.
Trade agreements are more lasting and effective at changing policy abroad. The
changing of Turkish law to fit in to the EU's membership criteria and the
commonwealth criteria are good, obvious examples. However, there are countless one-to-one
examples with other countries.
Of course, it wouldn't be easy with politically isolated countries like the Sudan. Total
cessation of trade and diplomatic relations will only make it more politically isolated.
It might help, but it's a poor long term strategy.
Here is where our agreeing ends.
Diplomatic relations and trading with them must be brought to a halt, because it is the vehicle by which they support and widen the spreading of Sauid-payed Islamic propaganda centres in the West, with regard to Germany especially this totally unacceptable king Fahd academy in Germany is my concern, but there are so many others ways, and almost all Muslim terror groups and "peaceful" organisations that nevertheless propagate the openly or hidden to overthrow the constiotutional orders inWestern nnations get finacially supported by Saudi Arabia. Their fiancial network is like a cancer deep inside the body of Western nations, and they are poisening it more and more with the clear intention to make it break down, so that Islamic ideology can take over.
Trading with the,, deliver them our latest technology, military goods and weapons, make their representatives acceptable guests in our capitals, aloow them to abuse world trade structures as a vehucle to let islami's influence infiltrate them more and more, means nothing but to help a determined enemy's effort to attack and destroy us.
[see above]
Ohhhh! A global conspiracy huh? :hmm:
Financial networks eating away our society from within?
One that's slipping right under the noses of our benignly ambivalent political leaders!
Could have sworn I've heard something like this before.
I wonder if there are any historical counterparts to this theory of yours SB...
Skybird
11-27-07, 07:18 AM
[see above]
Ohhhh! A global conspiracy huh? :hmm:
No. Just Islam, so don't worry.
BTW, accoridng to Western intelligence service and in Germany: Staatsschutz, BVS, it is no conspiration theory, but hard, solid fact, to be read in numbers black on white. Saudi support for cultural infiltration centres in the West is measured in several hundred million dollars per year in central europe alone - and that is the money investigators know of. the black humbers is considered to be much higher. That is because for somebody who buys TWO A380 just for his private use, such sums are not really money. Only peanuts.
You can also check foreign investors in western industries. China and Saudi arabia lead the list of buying western industries, when seing it on a global scale. Is anyone stup0id enough to assume the Saudi do not know they are runningmout olf time sooner or later? Buying foreign industries is their way to secure their future income.
So no hostile Muslim army at the horizon, no threat of war, and no siege at Vienna. Don't worry, all is good. Really.
Jimbuna
11-27-07, 07:34 AM
So really, what your saying is.........they're acting no differently to how we (the west) have acted previously :hmm:
Skybird
11-27-07, 08:27 AM
So really, what your saying is.........they're acting no differently to how we (the west) have acted previously :hmm:
Yes. Previously. They are a living museum, seen that way. They even display inqusisition-style of acchievements. Looking at them, we look into our past.
Anyone wanting to book a trip back? It's not expensive, but it is cheap: converting is free. ;) Colonization and that way having the tourist ressort coming to you, on the other hand will cost you all you have. There are better ways to spend your holidays, not to mention your children's future.
Jimbuna
11-27-07, 08:45 AM
I try never to look back, learning the lesson first time around is the best way. Looking forward and being prepared is always my preferred option.
The balance of financial preparedness is fast shifting to the Gulf States. Better to keep them onside with regard to investment opportunities in the west than disencouragement and running the risk of them investing in the geographical areas we may later have fear of.
If Russia (in particular) and China had the funding to be more 'robust' in terms of building up their military might, we could well of already been in the midst of the second cold war.
Zayphod
11-27-07, 04:19 PM
letting children name a Teddy bear Muhammad.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/pressass/20071126/tuk-woman-held-in-sudan-over-teddy-name-6323e80_4.html
What is the matter with these people. :nope:
Well it's all been said before. :yep:
Let's just hope they decide not to.
My feelings are that we should remove ALL educational materials from that country and let them wallow in ignorance.
micky1up
11-28-07, 08:58 AM
the problem is these counties happily take our AID in cash and food and expect us to be tollerant then act totally intolerant to slight infringes i say threaten them with the withdrawl of AID cash and food close all flight to and from sudan until see is released
Jimbuna
11-28-07, 09:13 AM
the problem is these counties happily take our AID in cash and food and expect us to be tollerant then act totally intolerant to slight infringes i say threaten them with the withdrawl of AID cash and food close all flight to and from sudan until see is released
Agreed http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/images/smilies/palmas2maosfn8.gif
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Skybird
11-28-07, 10:37 AM
the problem is these counties happily take our AID in cash and food and expect us to be tollerant then act totally intolerant to slight infringes i say threaten them with the withdrawl of AID cash and food close all flight to and from sudan until see is released
Agreed http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/images/smilies/palmas2maosfn8.gif
Yes indeed, agreed. Just not far-leading enough.
You have to forgive them, though. From Islamic perspective it is only fair and just that infidels pay them "taxes". It comes as a natural part of the religion of theirs. It is their natural right to get payed by others.
Jimbuna
11-28-07, 10:59 AM
the problem is these counties happily take our AID in cash and food and expect us to be tollerant then act totally intolerant to slight infringes i say threaten them with the withdrawl of AID cash and food close all flight to and from sudan until see is released
Agreed http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/images/smilies/palmas2maosfn8.gif
Yes indeed, agreed. Just not far-leading enough.
You have to forgive them, though. From Islamic perspective it is only fair and just that infidels pay them "taxes". It comes as a natural part of the religion of theirs. It is their natural right to get payed by others.
Yeah....in Britain it's called Social Security. Paid for out of British workers taxes http://imgcash2.imageshack.us/img134/9742/angry8se2.gif
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seafarer
11-28-07, 01:47 PM
Religion is a great thing, ....
No, it's not. It really is not, nor ever has been. Especially to anyone who is not a member (follower, believer, whathaveyou) of the religion (any religion).
I see in the news the women in question has now been charged. :nope:
Jimbuna
11-28-07, 03:11 PM
The Right Hon David Milliband, Foreign Secretary and MP for South Shields has summoned the Sudanese Minister in for questioning :hmm:
I hope we don't have to pay his taxi fare back :x
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The Right Hon David Milliband, Foreign Secretary and MP for South Shields has summoned the Sudanese Minister in for questioning :hmm:
I hope we don't have to pay his taxi fare back :x
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David Milliband is a pr*ck and wet behind the ears. :x
David Milliband is a pr*ck and wet behind the ears. :x
Couldn't agree more :up:
:D Chock
If only there was an international group that would stand against all barbaric countries like Sudan. Untill that time things like this will continue. The media has ignored Sudan for a long time. Not so long ago people were crucified there.
SUBMAN1
11-28-07, 08:23 PM
Where are the British SAS already? This is pathetic. Make it painful already for both parties if they go through with this.
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Kapitan_Phillips
11-28-07, 08:41 PM
Just imagine the backlash if us British had such a punishment for a Muslim who called their teddy Elizabeth.
Just imagine the backlash if us British had such a punishment for a Muslim who called their teddy Elizabeth.
The sadest thing is that this comment is true. I'm a strong believer in equality for everyone but more often nowadays it seems western nations are compromising our way of life to please others. This allows hatreds to grow on both sides of the fence.
Our judgement is being clouded by hatred of fanatics!
Once upon a time this was my idea of a muslim:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/specials/images/1237_muslim_women/4123432_muslim_woman_usa2.jpg
Now it's this:
http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0507/Nahr_al_Bared_Palestinian_terrorist_camp.jpg
I miss being ignorant.
Stealth Hunter
11-29-07, 01:05 AM
I hate fanatics of any religion but Islamic countries really peeve me.
Watch your tongue, Reaves. I'm an Iranian Muslim, and I'm not going to tolerate you mocking our religion (downsized by violence, though it be), and I know the mods won't either.
In case you didn't get it, I'm joking, although I am a Muslim.
I hate fanatics of any religion but Islamic countries really peeve me.
Watch your tongue, Reaves. I'm an Iranian Muslim, and I'm not going to tolerate you mocking our religion (downsized by violence, though it be), and I know the mods won't either.
In case you didn't get it, I'm joking, although I am a Muslim.
It doesn't bother me at all if your a muslim. :up:
I dislike fanatical Christians or whatevers as much as fanatical muslims. We all have the same God if you ask me but that's a topic for another thread.... another forum even! :hmm:
I hope you understand my comment about Islamic nations though. It's not just things like equal rights for women, some of those nations are pretty messed up. When it comes to it I also don't condone the death penalty in the USA so don't worry, I dislike everyone equally. :D
See my last post, I hope that explains it. If anything I admire you for your faith as if you follow it correctly, religion generally makes you a better person. It's a shame the few loud ones taint the name of everyone.
Stealth Hunter
11-29-07, 01:24 AM
Oh, I do understand. I just wanted to crack out one of those sarcastic jokes/statements. It's always fun to ponder the reaction of those to whom it is aimed at, and then their thoughts, then wonder their feelings towards the final, "I'm joking!" part.:rotfl:
I too dislike the fanatics of the world, and I believe very strongly that perhaps they should be taught to respect the rights and beliefs of others without being so stuck-up and arrogant, claiming they have all the answers. Should this seem hypocritical of me to be uttering these words from my mouth (to anyone who may be reading this without full understanding), just note that I do not claim to have all the answers.
The Muslim Council of Britain reacted angrily to the news, saying it was "appalled" and demanded Mrs Gibbons' immediate release. "This is a disgraceful decision and defies common sense. There was clearly no intention on the part of the teacher to deliberately insult the Islamic faith," said Secretary-General Dr Muhammad Abdul Bari, in a strongly-worded statement.
"We call upon the Sudanese President, Omar al-Bashir, to intervene in this case without delay to ensure that Ms Gibbons is freed from this quite shameful ordeal," said Dr Bari.
Earlier, the Sudanese Embassy in London had said the situation was a "storm in a teacup" and signalled that the teacher could be released soon, attributing the incident to a cultural misunderstanding.
But Sudan's top clerics have called for the full measure of the law to be used against Mrs Gibbons and labelled her actions part of a Western plot against Islam.
And some muslim countries are confused at being labeled as 'backward' by western nations - we might not say it directly to your face, but we certainly think it; that's called diplomacy. :roll:
I am saddened over this whole event and whilst naivety is no excuse for not being aware, I have to say, loudly, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!
Personally I hope Gillian Gibbons returns to the UK as soon as possible and never sets foot on Sudanese soil again, they will probably be poorer for it but it appears that's just how they like it. Should that be the case it's a shame her school kids will no longer benefit from her skills and attention. :down:
EDIT:
some interesting and balanced thoughts in the (article and) comments at the bottom of the page here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7115821.stm), in particular
What we really have here is a non-Muslim teacher in a school run by a non-Muslim board that allows Muslims and non-Muslims to educate and be educated together. While some would applaud this, I am sure that many "Islamists" in Sudan would be appalled at such a thing and have been waiting for an excuse to close the school down. There are bigger issues than soft toys and ignorant children and teachers. In truth, I suspect this last is closest to the mark with this incident.
Oh, I do understand. I just wanted to crack out one of those sarcastic jokes/statements. It's always fun to ponder the reaction of those to whom it is aimed at, and then their thoughts, then wonder their feelings towards the final, "I'm joking!" part.:rotfl:
I too dislike the fanatics of the world, and I believe very strongly that perhaps they should be taught to respect the rights and beliefs of others without being so stuck-up and arrogant, claiming they have all the answers. Should this seem hypocritical of me to be uttering these words from my mouth (to anyone who may be reading this without full understanding), just note that I do not claim to have all the answers.
Sarcasm is one of my favorite styles of humour so don't worry I got it, brought a smile to my face and all.
You obviously feel similar to me about the world. No one has all the answers, all we can do is respect each other enough. A good person is a good person no matter what colour or creed they speak about.
except New Zealanders, they be evil spawn I tell ya!!! :rotfl:
Just imagine the backlash if us British had such a punishment for a Muslim who called their teddy Elizabeth.
It's not too long ago that we where burning Catholics at the stake.
It isn't an excuse, but don't think we are different, we just have a different culture here
now, which they do not yet.
AVGWarhawk
11-29-07, 12:22 PM
Some are asking for execution! A bit over the edge for me:down: I'm really sensing a mountain out of a mole hill here.
Tchocky
11-29-07, 12:56 PM
Dang political correctness
BREAKING NEWS
Gillian Gibbons has been found guilty of inciting religious hatred and has been sentenced to 15 days in prison and deportation.
Mikey_Wolf
11-29-07, 01:46 PM
BREAKING NEWS
Gillian Gibbons has been found guilty of inciting religious hatred and has been sentenced to 15 days in prison and deportation.
That is probably the greatest kindness she could have hoped for. Particularly the deportation part. She's British, she should be where she belongs. Here.
AVGWarhawk
11-29-07, 02:02 PM
Well, that is nice news to hear. I hope 4 of those days already served are part of the 15 day term. Deportation sounds good. I would be leaving pronto:lurk:
Am I the only one who thinks the verdict was fair and justified?
Let me start by saying that, as far as I'm concerned, there should be no law regarding 'insult to religion', except possibly in the case of inciting hatred (although I've not yet made up my mind on that).
However, such a law does exist in Sudan and the legal authorities there have decided that Mrs Gibbons broke it. As such, they have no option but to punish her. I think they've been very reasonable in only sentencing her to 15 days and deportation.
The UK government has no right to interfere in the legal proceedings of other nations, so they should keep their noses out. Of course, it's the trendy thing to jump on the bandwagon and condemn the judgement without considering that the laws of a nation have been broken. By all means protest the existence of the law, but don't complain when it is enforced.
waste gate
11-29-07, 02:42 PM
The atrocity which is Darfur hasn't stopped these folks. Why would the British Government have any more influence (perhaps it did). The lady is indeed lucky to get the fifteen day sentence. The deportation is a blessing.
seafarer
11-29-07, 02:55 PM
The UK government has no right to interfere in the legal proceedings of other nations, so they should keep their noses out. Of course, it's the trendy thing to jump on the bandwagon and condemn the judgement without considering that the laws of a nation have been broken. By all means protest the existence of the law, but don't complain when it is enforced.
Gotta' disagree with that one. Nazi Germany declared it legal for the state to kill off an entire race of people. Should all we have done is merely protest the existence of the law, but allowed its enforcement to continue?
There are times when a state's laws cross boundaries that are deemed unacceptable, and it is the right of every affected state to then step in and act on the behalf of their own citizens. It's not only a state's right to do so, but it's their responsibility, if the values they and their society hold regarding basic human rights, decency and fair and just treatment mean anything to them.
In this case, the punishment, by most western cultural' standards, far exceeded the crime. Just as we would deplore cutting off the hands of petty thieves, we should protest the flogging or other extreme violent punishment for a crime of insult, where no permanent nor lasting harm has been done, and no physical or direct harm to any specific victim was committed.
It wasn't the crime that was being protested, it was the extreme punishment, and that was fair game for the UK Government to step in on, on behalf of one of their citizens.
Konovalov
11-29-07, 03:31 PM
The comments of a fellow muslim on a muslim forum sum it up for me best:
http://www.sudan-embassy.co.uk/ (http://www.sudan-embassy.co.uk/)
http://sudan-embassy.co.uk/en/compon...t/ampItemid,3/ (http://sudan-embassy.co.uk/en/component/option,com_contact/ampItemid,3/)
Contact Us
Sudan Embassy London
General Secretary
Embassy of the Republic of the Sudan
3 Cleveland Row
St. James’s
London
SW1A 1DD
020 7839 8080
020 7839 7560
email, phone and tell these muppets how f-ing stupid they look and relese the poor woman
That's all for now before I tear anymore of my hair out. :damn:
Am I the only one who thinks the verdict was fair and justified?
Let me start by saying that, as far as I'm concerned, there should be no law regarding 'insult to religion', except possibly in the case of inciting hatred (although I've not yet made up my mind on that).
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That does make logical sense.
However, if follows from that that if we do not wish to tolerate the law, we should not
tolerate it's use; to do so would be hypocritical.
It's a case of the proverbial bolted horse now.
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Haha that's great.
Good news about the court case, but I still think it should have never happened. A sign of improvement maybe, these things don't happen over night afterall. It wasn't long ago where segregation was common place in many of our own countries, now the idea of that is just as wrong as being whipped for naming a teddy bear after a diety.
bookworm_020
11-29-07, 09:49 PM
Well, that is nice news to hear. I hope 4 of those days already served are part of the 15 day term. Deportation sounds good. I would be leaving pronto:lurk:
The 5 days she has already served will be considered part of her sentance, so she has 10 days to go.
I'm glad she got out of it as lightly as she did, but I think Sudan will suffer more for it overall.
Glad she's outta there. I bet the judges knew the "back lash" would of been far worse for them.
Can you say LAWSUIT?! assault with a deadly weapon, bodily harm, cruel and unusual punishment, torture, that list would go on and on.
Kapitan_Phillips
11-30-07, 02:27 AM
There's something to be learnt from this charade.
We must start lashing all Hispanic people called 'Jesus', as they clearly insult the Miracle Meister.
:lol:
There's something to be learnt from this charade.
We must start lashing all Hispanic people called 'Jesus', as they clearly insult the Miracle Meister.
:lol:
All I want to know is if Jesus turned water into wine, why does the church turn wine back into water?
There's something to be learnt from this charade.
We must start lashing all Hispanic people called 'Jesus', as they clearly insult the Miracle Meister.
:lol:
All I want to know is if Jesus turned water into wine, why does the church turn wine back into water?
And if you revers the same process to you get wine again?
(Sounds painful, any volounteers?)
Jimbuna
11-30-07, 04:39 AM
I'm glad it's all over and a semblence of common sense prevailed.
Had she of been punished more harshly, it would have been the people of Sudan who would have suffered the probable repercussions of withdrawl of aid etc. and not the idiots who imposed any such punishment :damn:
I'm glad it's all over and a semblence of common sense prevailed.
Had she of been punished more harshly, it would have been the people of Sudan who would have suffered the probable repercussions of withdrawl of aid etc. and not the idiots who imposed any such punishment :damn:
Had she not been punished at all, the people of Sudan may have sufferd as well due to
riots from the hard-liners.
Thats not a justification, but is something to consider.
Jimbuna
11-30-07, 07:29 AM
I'm glad it's all over and a semblence of common sense prevailed.
Had she of been punished more harshly, it would have been the people of Sudan who would have suffered the probable repercussions of withdrawl of aid etc. and not the idiots who imposed any such punishment :damn:
Had she not been punished at all, the people of Sudan may have sufferd as well due to
riots from the hard-liners.
Thats not a justification, but is something to consider.
I suppose either way, the general population of Sudan would be the real sufferers.....not discounting the British woman of course.
micky1up
11-30-07, 08:23 AM
now thousands are marching in the streets calling for her execution ,thats enough i say cut all aid and all ties with this barbaric and intollerant nation to put it plainly ******* them
DeepIron
11-30-07, 08:37 AM
This episode was one of the most absolutely stupid exercises of Islamic intolerance I've ever read about... And who suffers the most in this? The kids... :nope:
Skybird
11-30-07, 08:53 AM
Desert religions.
Leave deserts wherever they show up.
To hell with it. Especially Arabia once was a place where many cultures, cults, sects, ethicities lived together, sometimes robbing each other, sometimes lving peacefully side by side. That colourful mixture could have been one of the centres of today's global trade and knowledge, the precodntions were almost ideal: great advanatge over europe during the early medieval, many trading routes into all directions, many different people alraedy having made contact to each other. then came the religion of peace, and look what the place degenerated into: an intolerant, aggressive, devious mono-culture. Something similiar could be said about Persia/Iran.
What is, and what could have been. Tragic. Praise to Muhammad. One knife in one man's throat - how much would mankind have been saved from. Instead: many knifes in many people's throats, hate, intolerance, aggression, intimidation. Praise to Muhammad. If I would believe in hell, I am sure he would have been booked for one of the president's suite they have down there.
AVGWarhawk
11-30-07, 09:46 AM
Now it has just turned into blood thirsty fun and way out of hand. It looks to me that it is crazed lunacy and certainly this woman has now been vilafied beyond the scope of just naming a bear after a Diety.
DeepIron
11-30-07, 09:46 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7121025.stm
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/africa/11/30/sudan.bears/index.html
This is clearly getting out of hand...
"The marchers took to the streets after Friday prayers to denounce the sentence as too lenient."
Ah-ha, pray first, kill later?
"Marchers chanted "Shame, shame on the UK", "No tolerance - execution" and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad"."
If I were a Westerner in Sudan, I'd be getting on the next aircraft out and leave these ignorant peasants to their hatred, intolerance and stupidity... :damn:
Kapitan_Phillips
11-30-07, 10:02 AM
"Marchers chanted "Shame, shame on the UK"
And thus the UK assembled, men, women, children, pets, animals, and joined each other in perfect harmony with a unanimous gesture to Sudan:
http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/IGS/IGS174/IS33028.jpg
DeepIron
11-30-07, 10:10 AM
You Brits are much more tolerant. In America, we'd remove the index finger...:up:
AVGWarhawk
11-30-07, 10:34 AM
If I were a Westerner in Sudan, I'd be getting on the next aircraft out and leave these ignorant peasants to their hatred, intolerance and stupidity...
Actually, in support of this woman all that are not part of the country should leave and any aid offered to Sudan should be leaving with them. I mean really, it has turned into a pack of wolves who smell the kill. They are not thinking straight. Lunacy!!!
Skybird
11-30-07, 10:41 AM
This is clearly getting out of hand...
"The marchers took to the streets after Friday prayers to denounce the sentence as too lenient."
Love it when mortals take it onto themselves to judge and penalize in place of their superior "dieties".
DeepIron
11-30-07, 10:46 AM
http://www.northrim.net/jhouck/images/dance2.gif
Heibges
11-30-07, 10:50 AM
Has anyone read the book Starship Troopers?
Heinlein argues that corporal punishment is more effective and more humane than locking someone away for 30 years.
Wasn't there a case like this a few years ago regarding a teenage boy caught painting graphiti in like Malaysia?
Heibges
11-30-07, 10:51 AM
This is clearly getting out of hand...
"The marchers took to the streets after Friday prayers to denounce the sentence as too lenient."
Love it when mortals take it onto themselves to judge and penalize in place of their superior "dieties".
What's the saying?
Judge not lest yee be judged.
or
Those who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones.
DeepIron
11-30-07, 10:53 AM
Wasn't there a case like this a few years ago regarding a teenage boy caught painting graphiti in like Malaysia?
It was a drunk Swedish guy... and he got a stiff sentence and imprisonment from the Malaysian courts for his insulting grafitti against the King.
The point: Don't drink and draw in Malaysia...
Heinlein argues that corporal punishment is more effective and more humane than locking someone away for 30 years.
Even if that is the case (and I don't think it is) it does not prevent reoffending in the
same way prison does and it certinaly does not help reform.
DeepIron
11-30-07, 11:58 AM
Of course, you can always change "corporal punishment" to "capital punishment" and be both more effective AND certain that the criminal won't be committing the same crime again...
micky1up
11-30-07, 12:05 PM
yeah all for naming a teddy bear which her kids named not her lol over the top by i dont know how many miles
Skybird
11-30-07, 12:57 PM
In the European medieval, church and judges had animals sentenced for having committed crimes of blasphemy (a pig farting at a church door, or whatever it was).
In the medieval.
Teddy teacher moved to secret location
A British teacher jailed in Sudan for insulting Islam by allowing her class to name a teddy bear Mohamed has been moved to a secret location for her own safety.
The dramatic move was made after thousands of weapon-wielding protesters gathered outside the presidential palace in Khartoum to demand a harsher sentence.
http://www.itv.com/News/Articles/Jailed-teacher-to-appeal-against-decision.html
Just watching the ITV News and these hot heads want her dead. :nope:
I just like to add it is only a bunch of hot heads not all of Sudan.
DeepIron
11-30-07, 01:36 PM
Dreadlocked protester Yassin Mubarak, swathed in green and carrying a sword, said: "It is a premeditated action and this unbeliever thinks that she can fool us? What she did requires her life to be taken."
Well Yassin, just hope your Islamic extremist buddies don't consider your Western influenced dreadlocks offensive to Allah....
AVGWarhawk
11-30-07, 01:53 PM
Dreadlocked protester Yassin Mubarak, swathed in green and carrying a sword, said: "It is a premeditated action and this unbeliever thinks that she can fool us? What she did requires her life to be taken."
Well Yassin, just hope your Islamic extremist buddies don't consider your Western influenced dreadlocks offensive to Allah....
Yah know, Yassin thinks he is living in the past. For crying out loud, other countries do not run around looking to lynch UNBELIEVERS. This is just fanatics smelling blood and a good time in the town square.
DeepIron
11-30-07, 02:01 PM
This is just fanatics smelling blood and a good time in the town square.
It's ludricrous. These people don't even have decent beer... How can you run amok in the town square, calling for an execution, without beer? :huh:
What is this world coming to? :roll:
AVGWarhawk
11-30-07, 02:52 PM
This is just fanatics smelling blood and a good time in the town square. It's ludricrous. These people don't even have decent beer... How can you run amok in the town square, calling for an execution, without beer? :huh:
What is this world coming to? :roll:
I guess you would build up quite a thirst after runn'in amuck! :doh:
Muslims in the middle east are different then those few that have become westerners. The main groups in the middle east consists of extremists, Moderates that follow the extremists lead and believers that do not agree but do not speak up in fear of retrobution ( Good example: Usually those kidnapped in Iraq and killed in mass executions).
The thing is we dont say "Death to all of Arabia" and protest in the streets when they draw cartoons about our religion.
I have a Muslim friend and he is what you consider a believer by their standards over there. He said it best " Todays muslims should of been around during the time of the crusades, then all the idiots would of died together". He's right back then we were the crazies.
This is just fanatics smelling blood and a good time in the town square. It's ludricrous. These people don't even have decent beer... How can you run amok in the town square, calling for an execution, without beer? :huh:
What is this world coming to? :roll:
All you really need is a goodly supply of torches and pitchforks...
DeepIron
11-30-07, 03:34 PM
All you really need is a goodly supply of torches and pitchforks...
Oh yeah, a BONFIRE! Thanks August, forgot that... Yeah, really cold beer and a bonfire would do the trick... :lol:
All you really need is a goodly supply of torches and pitchforks... Oh yeah, a BONFIRE! Thanks August, forgot that... Yeah, really cold beer and a bonfire would do the trick... :lol:
:yep::D
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Am I to take it that ebay has removed a bear called muhammed from its listings because they have no spine?
I was hoping to not let myself get irritated by the crazies of the world again, but it seems like the usual suspects are doing what they do best.
I have two messages, one for the sudanese crazies and one for our government:
- Religious nutters; you can keep that fly-blown, poverty stricken mediaevally intolerantly suspicious craphole you choose to call home - I hope it chokes you with it's dusty spitefulness. Surely it is all you will ever deserve.
- Our government; when are you going to wake up and put an end to the political duplicity which necessitates continued dealings on an even hand, with people who have nothing but undisguised contempt and denigration for the values that by rights ought to be the inheritance of all who dwell on this earth? They will never see others as equals and will only take advantage of any olive-branch extended to them. Stop serving your own cynical interests and start to represent those who chose to elevate you to the positions of power you currently occupy.
The irony of all of the incidents like these is that the more I hear about things like this and the older I get, the more intolerant I become. So I guess at some point the crazies of the world and I will achieve some degree of equilibrium. :hmm:
Yay! Bigotry and opprobrium for all!
Foxtrot
11-30-07, 04:57 PM
The thing is we dont say "Death to all of Arabia" and protest in the streets when they draw cartoons about our religion.
Had they?
kiwi_2005
11-30-07, 04:58 PM
Just heard last night, 15 days in jail for naming a teddybear Muhammad! :nope:
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Someone pinch me is this really planet earth im living on or was that nutmeg root from sudan i tried many years ago still working!
Oh well on a positive note when she gets back to england she'll be able to sell her story to the newspapers for 1 million! :rock:
The thing is we dont say "Death to all of Arabia" and protest in the streets when they draw cartoons about our religion.
Had they?
Not directly related to 'our religion' (whatever that may be), but these (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/img/arabcartoons12.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/ArabCartoons.htm&h=352&w=400&sz=34&hl=en&start=17&tbnid=FmC4b6QsW9FQ8M:&tbnh=109&tbnw=124&prev=) and these (http://www.sandmonkey.org/2006/04/02/egyptian-cartoonists-strike-back-at-denmark/) certainly dispel any myth that the arab/muslim world are not guilty of the same spiteful caricaturisation of people and religions.
Jimbuna
11-30-07, 05:34 PM
Someone pinch me is this really planet earth im living on or was that nutmeg root from sudan i tried many years ago still working!
LMAO http://imgcash3.imageshack.us/img240/9117/pointingqq8.gif
Venatore
11-30-07, 06:00 PM
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q237/Venatore/Alternate/MrBean.jpg
Skybird
11-30-07, 07:50 PM
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q237/Venatore/Alternate/MrBean.jpg
Me.
"Bear, from now on your true name shall be: MUMMYHEAD ! Wear this cross around your neck with happiness and as a sign that you had been vaccinated."
Who spilled the red paint on my shirt? :-?
Stealth Hunter
11-30-07, 08:08 PM
You think that jail for 15 days is stupid for naming a bear after the Prophet?
Check out these laws that are punishable:
IN THE UNITED KINGDOM:
All land must be left to the eldest son.
Divorces are outlawed.
Those wishing to purchase a television must also buy a license.
London Hackney Carriages (taxis/cabs) must carry a bale of hay and a sack of oats.
Picking up abandoned baggage is an act of terrorism.
IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
One may not test their physical endurance while driving a car on a highway.
Drivers may not pump their own gas
A door on a car may not be left open longer than is necessary.
Ice cream may not be eaten on Sundays.
One may not bathe without wearing "suitable clothing".
Canned corn is not to be used as bait for fishing.
You think that jail for 15 days is stupid for naming a bear after the Prophet?
Check out these laws that are punishable:
IN THE UNITED KINGDOM:
All land must be left to the eldest son.
Divorces are outlawed.
Those wishing to purchase a television must also buy a license.
London Hackney Carriages (taxis/cabs) must carry a bale of hay and a sack of oats.
Picking up abandoned baggage is an act of terrorism.
IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
One may not test their physical endurance while driving a car on a highway.
Drivers may not pump their own gas
A door on a car may not be left open longer than is necessary.
Ice cream may not be eaten on Sundays.
One may not bathe without wearing "suitable clothing".
Canned corn is not to be used as bait for fishing.
Assuming any of that is true when was the last time anyone was prosecuted under them and what was the punishment?
Stealth Hunter
11-30-07, 08:44 PM
Lemme look those numbers up.
EDIT:
Did you know it's illegal to die in the houses of Parliament?
Those wishing to purchase a television must also buy a license.
Screw the BBC License Fee, almost every year those fat cats put the fee up so they can over pay there presenters and also wast money as well, I would not put it pass the BBC to put £50 notes in the toilets so you can wipe your backside with them.
Stick your fingers up to the Bloated Bias Corporation and tear up your TV license, the more people do this the quicker we can bring the BBC to there knees and scrap the license fee.
AVGWarhawk
12-03-07, 09:56 AM
She has been pardoned and is free. Should have never gotten this far in the first place. I'm glad someone with some power was able to pardon this stupid mess and let here move on and out.
She has been pardoned and is free. Should have never gotten this far in the first place
I second that one. :yep:
Jimbuna
12-03-07, 01:32 PM
She has been pardoned and is free. Should have never gotten this far in the first place. I'm glad someone with some power was able to pardon this stupid mess and let here move on and out.
I didn't think Sudan was known for it's compassion and common sense :hmm:
More likely the result of a behind the scenes deal, promising millions in aid :yep:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/pasquarade/wolf-38.gif
AVGWarhawk
12-03-07, 02:35 PM
[quote=AVGWarhawk]She has been pardoned and is free. Should have never gotten this far in the first place. I'm glad someone with some power was able to pardon this stupid mess and let here move on and out.
I didn't think Sudan was known for it's compassion and common sense :hmm:
More likely the result of a behind the scenes deal, promising millions in aid :yep:
That is a given.
Jimbuna
12-03-07, 02:46 PM
Well AVG....if ya fancy a trip over there, I've no problem with being your negotiating agent....for 50% of the take,that is :lol:
I'll even supply the teddy bear :rotfl:
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd320/pasquarade/wolf-38.gif
Skybird
12-06-07, 09:15 AM
It's not about teddybears anymore. Now the dogs enter the arena as well.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/dec/05/bbc.radio
The BBC was forced to broadcast an on-air apology today after a local radio presenter in Nottingham joked that freed British schoolteacher Gillian Gibbons had a dog named Muhammad.
Whenever you think it cannot get worse or more ridiculous and more off-scale - you'll be tought immediately that you were wrong.
Let's have a "Laugh at Sudan" where it all started.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NhWT0_SRZc
Jimbuna
12-06-07, 09:28 AM
Just so long as goldfish are able to keep their names :lol:
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