Accumulating Renound

[Fr8monkey]

Just how is renound acquired? You go out on a patrol and sink X number of ships and make it back to port.... is there a list of what each event is worth. If you sink a hospital ship it is massive negitive points; but how much? Just wanted to get a general idea.

[GoldenRivet]

You get renown for...

1. sinking enemy merchants
2. sinking enemy warships
3. downing enemy aircraft
4. reaching assigned patrol grid
5. remaining in assigned patrol grid for 24 hours
6. actually returning to port instead of hitting escape and selecting end mission

you lose renown for...

1. sinking friendly or neutral merchants
2. sinking friendly or neutral warships
3. downing friendly or neutral aircraft
4. sinking hopsital ships

i dont recall the exact figures, ill try to locate them for you, or someone else will post them. but each ship has its own renown value.

if i recall correctly - blowing a hospital ship out of the water will earn you NEGATIVE ten thousand renown points (yes... -10,000)... it would take several perfect patrols just to get back to zero renown for that mistake.

edit:

reaching patrol grid gives you 200 renown points
staying there 24 hours gives you another 200 renown points
actually returning to base to end you mission yields 100 renown points

each individual ship has its own renown value which can be found by locating the ships CFG file in your sh3 "sea" folder in the main SH3 directory,

for example an illustrius fleet carrier is worth 900 renown points, and a large merchant would be woth about 500 renown points etc

[Jonathan]

I had no idea that you could LOSE renown...and I have not even seen a hospital ship. I will be sure NOT to sink it..unless it is carrying enemy tonnaga.

[GoldenRivet]

not even then, technically... hospital ships are flying the flag of the international red cross, which so far as SH3 is concerned is a neutral entity. if its carrying what appears to be suspicious cargo and you sink it, the game will NOT differentiate the fact that it was under escort or looked suspicious or whatever... you still lose the 10,000 renown points no matter how strategically oriented your intentions may have been.

and the only way to get those points back is by completing several flawless patrols in a row where you bag a phenomenal total tonnage value.

NOT worth it at all IMHO.

just think what you could do if you didnt lose those 10,000 renown points.

upgrade the sub? Bold? Anti sonar coatings, radar, newest torpedoes?? get that sought after XXI class? get a promotion? or get the next award?

if you sink a hospital ship your looking at spending the entire remainder of the war catching up. :nope:

i know they are big ships, but think about what your sending to the bottom, pretty nurses & seriously injured soldiers... and you dont know what their nationality... just because it sails out of an enemy harbor doesnt meen it isnt loaded with captured German POWs.

[Jonathan]

GoldenRivet you are the conscience of this soon-to-be-Kaleun!

[GoldenRivet]

GoldenRivet you are the conscience of this soon-to-be-Kaleun!
hahaha, i just like to think like a real skipper;

fight with honor and make decisions that result in you getting back to port with your boat and all your men intact, all other objectives are secondary!

[Jonathan]

And I would seriously not think about sinking hospital ships.

How do you feel about Cruise Liners?

[GoldenRivet]

cruise liners are another story... though im sure the cruise line executives are motivated by money, they didnt get to be cruise line executives by being stupid... and nobody in their right mind plans a vacation or authorizes a holiday cruise into a war zone.

history has shown that the Brits were losing ships at a rate faster than their capacity for building replacements. so, they decided that if it would remain afloat, it would be used for transporting war materials, and/or troops.

many of the cruise liners of the era were specifically converted for this purpose, if you can confirm that the cruise liner is of enemy nationality, sink her! :arrgh!:

[Jonathan]

I would love to send my last two eels into a cruise liner...if not now, then on another patrol. Do you have any suggestions as to where I might find one?

[GoldenRivet]

you're running stock correct?

if thats the case, i dont remember stock well enough to assist you too well. but if i had to place a wager on it i would say for you to pull up the file called "SH3_MAP" in your documentation folder.

consider these routes

"Halifax Liverpool route" in the AK or AL grids
"Gibralter Liverpool Route" in the CF grids

depending on the year, troops are bound to be transported to and from north africa via the Gibralter Liverpool route... or US troops will start to arrive via the Halifax Liverpool route.

one other thing to notice on the map...

do you see the area in grid "AM" just off the coast of northern Ireland? the routes "bottle neck" here forming a traffic "choke point", the water is shallow, and there is threat of surface patrols and aircraft, there is great danger, but also grate opportunity. you might be able to exploit early war weakness there, but i would not push luck in these areas much past 41.

another such choke point occurs in the northern BF grids off the southern coast of Ireland.

you might patrol there for ages before finding that juicy cruise liner... but such is the nature of the hunt

[Jonathan]

Aye.

I went down the east British/Scottish coast like you suggest and a V&W Destroyer followed me all the way and eventually depth charged me....threw me from side to side like a ragdoll...I blew ballast, but the front end of my ship stayed down, the back went to the surface. The necks of sonar and radio men were broken upon impact, and eventually, all hands were lost at the bottom of the ocean...

I did save however...is that cheap, or should I be forced to start all over again? :up: or :down:

[Nerazzurri]

Just how is renound acquired? You go out on a patrol and sink X number of ships and make it back to port.... is there a list of what each event is worth. If you sink a hospital ship it is massive negitive points; but how much? Just wanted to get a general idea.


You'll find all the answers here http://www.mysh3.info/shiii/index.php?title=Renown

[deepboat]

I've often wondered about renown. I'm assigned a far off grid that requires me meeting up with a milk cow or steamer in a neutral port. Initially I was assigned the patrol grid but now that I have re-fueled my next patrol destination is back to my home port. Do I still get renown if I continue to the previously assigned grid and then to port or is it not counted?

[melnibonian]

I've often wondered about renown. I'm assigned a far off grid that requires me meeting up with a milk cow or steamer in a neutral port. Initially I was assigned the patrol grid but now that I have re-fueled my next patrol destination is back to my home port. Do I still get renown if I continue to the previously assigned grid and then to port or is it not counted?
No as far as the game is concerned when you dock to a Milk Cow your patrol finishes. Therefore if you want to get renown for patroling the required grid you have to do it before you dock for fuel and torpedoes.

[Hakahura]

The other thing to bear in mind about renown is realism.

Seems to me that when I first started playing the game, at lower levels of realism, my renown per patrol was much lower than it is now. Regardless of of the amount of ships sunk.

If I had to guess I would agree that each ship has a certain amount of renown attached to it, but, the game rewards you a percentage of that renown in relation to the realism settings you have selected for that career.

[Nerazzurri]

The other thing to bear in mind about renown is realism.

Seems to me that when I first started playing the game, at lower levels of realism, my renown per patrol was much lower than it is now. Regardless of of the amount of ships sunk.

If I had to guess I would agree that each ship has a certain amount of renown attached to it, but, the game rewards you a percentage of that renown in relation to the realism settings you have selected for that career.



Lifted from the community manual -

Renown and Realism

The renown you receive for sinking enemy ships is also affected by your Realism %. You will earn more renown for playing at a higher Realism %.
The formula for calculating renown (http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=36293) (http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=36293), per ship, is:
base ship renown value (see below) * ( (0.75 * realism %) + 0.25 ).Therefore, At 100% realism, you will receive full renown credit for every ship that you sink and at 0% realism, you will receive 25% of the renown credit for every ship.

[Jonathan]

Wow...I am learning so much from reading this thread...and this encourages me to ramp the realism level up. Currently, I am operating at either 27% or 35%...I might try moving on up to 50%-60%...I am so worred about 'dud' torpedoes...

[GoldenRivet]

Jonathan

Im surprised by your east coast experience... how did he locate you?

As a general rule on those realism settings when a destroyer is sighted or warship detected you want to slow to either ahead slow or all stop, rig for silent running by pressing the "Z" key and wait for the destroyer to leave the area. go deeper if possible.

just out of curiosity - what did you do when the destroyer was detected?

sounds like your situation should have been survivable - especially in stock.

Loading a save would not be considered "cheap" as you put it, especially if you are still in the stages of learning to play the game really well.

[Jonathan]

Jonathan

Im surprised by your east coast experience... how did he locate you?

As a general rule on those realism settings when a destroyer is sighted or warship detected you want to slow to either ahead slow or all stop, rig for silent running by pressing the "Z" key and wait for the destroyer to leave the area. go deeper if possible.

just out of curiosity - what did you do when the destroyer was detected?

sounds like your situation should have been survivable - especially in stock.

Loading a save would not be considered "cheap" as you put it, especially if you are still in the stages of learning to play the game really well.

I never got the "We've been detected sir" message. I went pretty far into the bay by the Filrth place, but I did not go THAT far into it. My watchmen up top sighted two ships...one was a V&W Destroyer and another was a fishing boat. I let the fishing boat alone and dropped to 10 meters depth. I had my sonarman track the V&W. Since it was the middle of the night, I went ahead and surfaced again to try and outrun it. Apparently, this was probably my un-doing as it saw me from afar with its light. I dove again to 25m only to hit the bottom kind of hard at 20m. I of course was running silent at this time and I just sayed there on the bottom not accelerating at all. I saw the ship's bow run right above my ship and he dropped a perfect line of depth charges...two direct hits on either side. I watched my ship literally flail in the water like a dead-fish. I tried to secure from running silent and start repairs, but nothing was doing. I ordered blow-ballasts, and the front or back end of my ship began to rise, but the other end remained at the bottom, too heavy due to flooding to rise up. I am sure the crew inside was realing every which way as I tried to accelerate out in some sort of last ditch effort to save the lives of my crew. It was to no avail...and the end came swiftly.

[GoldenRivet]

i think even in stock going into those areas is pretty risky, try to follow the coast line, but stay about 80 to 100 KM off coast.

you would be likely to connect with a lone merchant steaming out of norway for the Brit coast.

If you select your navigator and choose the icon for depth under keel he will report how deep the water is, try to stay out of areas where the water is shallow, trapping yourself in 30 meter waters yields no options other than to run... and if you do that the destroyer will know exactly where you are.

next thing i would do is transfer to a VII as soon as possible.

good luck out there... reload and try again :up:

[Borgneface]

S! Kaleun,
Here is an extract from a .pdf file i have in store on GWX renown; i do not know on which level of realism it is based...but it could a good guide:

MERCHANTS
Passenger Liner =870
Large Old Liner =780
Large Merchant = 530
Heavy Transport =420
Whale Factory Ship =390
Troop Transport =390
Pyro Ammunition Ship =370
Large Tanker =340
T3 Tanker =340
Depot Ship/NSD =330
Medium Tanker =320
Passenger Liner/NCHT=300
Medium Tanker (generic) =270
Large Cargo =240
Victory Cargo =230
Depot Ship/NDS=230
Liberty Cargo =220
Ore Carrier=220
Landing Ship Tank =220
Medium Merchant =190
Small Tanker =125
Small Merchant =90
Small Merchant =70
BPS russian escort ship =70
Tramp Steamer =60
Lake Ship =55
Vorpostenboot =40
Coastal Tanker =40
Trawler =40
Tug Boat =30
Small Junk=30
Medium Junk=30
Sloop =30
Schooner =30
Navigational Light Ship=25
RAF Air Sea Rescue =20
Italian torpedo boat (MAS) = 20
Fishing Boat =20
Fishing Boat 1=20
Fishing Boat 2=20
Fishing Boat 3=20
NF_boat=20
Hospital Ship = -1000
Passenger/Cargo =-10000
=======================

hope it helps.

[GoldenRivet]

sweet... is it the same for stock? i dont think it is.

[Borgneface]

S! GoldenRivet,
I really do not know for the Stock game.......The only other info I have is the renown in GWX for Warships!
If you are interested...i'll post those too...

Amicalement.

[GoldenRivet]

makes me no difference, but i think that someone in this thread was needing stock.

thanks for locating that GWX info though!

[Jonathan]

i think even in stock going into those areas is pretty risky, try to follow the coast line, but stay about 80 to 100 KM off coast.

you would be likely to connect with a lone merchant steaming out of norway for the Brit coast.

If you select your navigator and choose the icon for depth under keel he will report how deep the water is, try to stay out of areas where the water is shallow, trapping yourself in 30 meter waters yields no options other than to run... and if you do that the destroyer will know exactly where you are.

next thing i would do is transfer to a VII as soon as possible.

good luck out there... reload and try again :up:

Right now my ship and my crew rest on the bottom, 20,000 centimeters under the sea. I should have checked the depth before I dive...but I just was not thinking clearly. I panicked under the pressure...and I paid dearly for it.

I am no Kaluen! *throws war ship badge across the room*

j/k...I will try again when I get home.

[GoldenRivet]

not your fault - blame it on Bernard... :rotfl:

[Jonathan]

Who is this Bernard character that I have hear a little about?

[Manucubus]

...i decided to leave the destroyers alone. I shoot them with electric eels (no trances) only when i have a good shooting position, otherwise i stay quiet and deep and concentrate on the convoy and then dive fast and try to sneak away.
Destroyers are dangerous, hard to hit and dont give you much renown. Use your torpedoes for merchants/tankers.
Background is that i play "Dead is Dead" i.e. when i die i dont load a saved game but start a new career. This makes you act very very careful and teaches you to keep your fingers off destroyers - although i like to shoot at battleships in a convoy :arrgh!:

[GoldenRivet]

Bernard is the guy who everyone blames for every bad thing that happens on the u-boat.

did you order a crash dive only to realize your in 20 meters of water? blame bernard

did you order ahead flank out of the dock only to suddenly crash into a concrete barrier? blame bernard

just spend two hours of game play stalking a convoy and setting up the perfect firing position and order the shots to be fired only to realize you have already used your last torpedo three days ago??? blame bernard

you get the idea. :lol:

[Jonathan]

BERNARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

haha...I might name my dog Bernard.

[twexl]

hi folks, i just did acadamy got 0 renown points,dont you spose to get 500 or more?,if this anti-schnapps behaviour persists i will resort to documents /sh3 find delta renown n adjust it accordingly....not recommended for cheat types or blitzmadels..december 9:arrgh!: