UK Prisons are great

[STEED]

Once again the stinking liberal scum of this country allow Prisoners to get there way, welcome to Wakefield prison the home of the convicted child murderer Ian Huntley who killed two girls. This piece of vile excrement of a scumbag has got his way, he complained the prison warders were keeping him awake at night with there prison issue shoes so now prison warders have a choice slippers or trainers and there is more. Prison warders can only use a low level light bulb at night when they inspect him. A spokesman from the prison said they have human rights and we must take in to account prisoner complaints, excuse me this is a child murderer. :mad:

Heard this on TalkSport radio and 99% who rung in said they were disgusted and so am I, what the hell is this country coming to? :nope:

[Godalmighty83]

wakefield contains 700 prisoners from many groups, do they all deserve sleep deprivation? this issue was raised in general and was not a specific complaint from huntley.

your sensationalist posts don't help your argument sometimes.

[STEED]

wakefield contains 700 prisoners from many groups, do they all deserve sleep deprivation? this issue was raised in general and was not a specific complaint from huntley.

your sensationalist posts don't help your argument sometimes.

A spokesman from the prison said Huntley has raised the issue on more than once, granted with a number of category A prisoners.

Are you forgetting this swine killed two children? I got no time for liberals who make me sick pandering too this scum.

[Letum]

Prisons are not there to keep people awake.

[kiwi_2005]

Its more rights for the criminal these days than it is for the victim and the families.

Prisoner jumps over wall of Aucklands NZ main prison lands braking both his legs, puts in a ACC claim recieves $50,000:nope:

Recently a guy who was up for murder of a woman, judge lets him out on bail, police strongly against it, but judge hjas final word. within 3 weeks the guy beats to death a two yr old kicked her to death and gouged her eye sockets, doctors said they never seen anything like it. Finally gets locked up on sentencing he was given 9 years! He'll be out in 6 for good behavior. :nope: He should of been shot.:damn:

[STEED]

Prisons are not there to keep people awake.

STUFF LUCK

They are fecking criminals

[Letum]

Prisons are not there to keep people awake.
STUFF LUCK

They are fecking criminals

They certinaly are!
but I don't see what the point of wakeing them up every night is.

...what is the point?!

[Kapitan]

They are there for a good reason so yes they should have to suffer being woken up its thier hard luck as the old saying goes if you cant do the time dont commit the crime.

[STEED]

The last thing I saw on the news of Huntley is was on suicide watch as he tried to take his life a second time so I must assume he still is.

I get woken up every night by my new neighbor due to the hours he dose and I have to put up with it. Granted a bit off topic. ;)

And to add to the topic we have a lord Chief Justice making remarks we are barbaric.

[STEED]

They are there for a good reason so yes they should have to suffer being woken up its thier hard luck as the old saying goes if you cant do the time dont commit the crime.

Thank You Kapitan. :up:

[Kapitan]

The families of murder victims will have to suffer for the rest of thier lives, that criminal who took that life is still there alive, we cant kill him so why not make him suffer for the rest of his days like he has made the person who he murderd families life suffer.

Whats good for the goose is good for the gander right?

[DeepIron]

Everytime that an incarcerated felon wins an appeal like this Huntley guy, it weakens the penal system. If someone is convicted of a capital crime, then ANY personal rights or priviledges they had should be gone. Period.

And frankly, I think they should bring back public hangings too... :up:

[Kapitan]

Yes its a good idea to bring back capital punishment, but then the murderers wont have sufferd enough or rapists.

you forget its not only victims but families who suffer so a nice long wait is nice before that long drop to the end of the rope, and in that wait you should make them feel small humiliate them and deprive them of near enough everything and make them suffer.

[STEED]

I want Huntley breaking rocks not playing on his games console. Along with all the rest of the murderous, rapists and pedophiles.

[Kapitan]

i work and im being punished my wages are being docked i used to get £331 a week im now down to £223 reason i was caught taking tips and also emptying non council refuse bins, i make a loss there plus the tax i pay why should these people be given TV's DVD's PS3's WII's when i pay for thier pleasure of staying at HMP.

When your passed sentance you cease to be a normal civilian (ive had first hand experiance of this one) you sign a piece of paper waving your rights to be subject to any formal and informal change with or without any notice.

Ive been there done that got the tee shirt it was a walk in the park, we as the tax payer pay for thier food clothes games consoles and everything else, while we the tax payer often live in worse conditions than they do, please dont forget they dont pay tax rent or bills we pay it all for them, they have got a cushtie life.

We on the outside however have to struggle.

[Winston Caine]

My country (Croatia) has a problem with this too.
1. Our maximum sentence is 40 years. I never heard anyone got it, though.
2. A tycoon's son drives his Mercedes Benz into two schoolgirls and kills them. He ends up not guilty and immigrates to Switzerland.
3. Another tycoon's son does similar, driving drunk at 230km/h and ramming his limo in a small car. He kills the young driver and leaves her boyfriend in a wheelchair. He's in trial at the moment. Max he can get is about 15 years.
4. Pedophiles and rapists are let out because of good behaviour all the time, coming back soon for commiting same crimes.
And the list goes on.
The absurdity of it (I'm not supporting marijuana legalisation; on the contrary), being caught with the smallest amount of weed gets you 3 years in prison.

[STEED]

OK, let's open up this thread.

So is law and order working in your country?

[lesrae]

While I have little sympathy for those residing at Her Majesty's Pleasure, I still believe that they have their human rights. As for the re-introduction of the death penalty, those people that call for it would soon change their tune if falsely convicted of a capital crime.

[PERSONAL RANT]Has all correct spelling and grammar in the UK gone to rats, if this thread is anything to go by then it has.[/PERSONAL RANT] ;)

[Kapitan]

With the DNA advancies today it would be hard to disprove a guilty person, however im not 100% for the capital punishment i just think they should be made to suffer like thier victims and thier families have to killing them would be too easy.

[Kapitan]

You do realise that the three catagories are not kept in the same areas dont you?

If your catagory A your a maximum risk so your kept on a maximum security site or part of the prision

Catagory B is violent and medium sized crimes and some cat B's can be kept alongside Cat C prisioners.

Cat C are petty offencies not likely to re offend some will Cat CA are housed in open prisions on tags and curfews.

[AVGWarhawk]

OK, let's open up this thread.

So is law and order working in your country?

Simply...no it is not.

[STEED]

Capital Punishment will never return to the UK unless we withdraw from the EU. It's true to say that CP dose not always work, from my point of view CP is the easy way out and you save money so it's a double edge sword that one. The system we have needs to be sorted out by cutting away the the red tape and all the paper work as well. But as we all know the government of the day will do little or nothing until it effects them.

[jumpy]

As for the re-introduction of the death penalty, those people that call for it would soon change their tune if falsely convicted of a capital crime.
Amen to that!

With so many variables that can lead to a bad conviction (or not) like duff evidence or incompetent legal representation, bias, lack of evidence or new evidence come to light after sentencing, the right of the state to kill certain criminals is on very shaky ground indeed.

Life imprisonment in spartan conditions, and in the worst cases, virtually solitary confinement is a much crueller punnishement as the inmate is constantly reminded of his circumstances every minute of every day he is alive and serving his sentence.

Capital punnishement is revenge, nothing more. Whilst it may, for a time, bring some recompense for a victims families loss, it will not bring them back.

[Letum]

I hear a man with a IQ below 60 was put to death in America not so long ago. :nope:


You guys think we should have some kind of siren to wake up the prisoners that can
sleep through the wardens checks just to make it fai on them all?

If not, whats the differance?

[Skybird]

The law does not define a prison term to be a time where people are to be made suffering, getting tortured, so I see no meaning in trying to keep criminals serving their penalty awake at night. the rejection of freedom to move and to act as they wish is understood as the penalty nowadays. A lower noise level inside prisons is the least of my concerns. Howveer, if prisoners must be allowed this and that "luxury" they may wish for, or - like widespread in europe - must be understood not as evil-doers, but as objects of resocialising efforts, remains to be argued. But as long as you do not make every court sentence an execution order, many prisoners will and must be released one day. So trying to enable them to have a better stzrat inbto their new civial life after their release makes sense. If it really can be acchieved to that degree as today many specialists would argue, is something different. I also have a problem with penaltiy on suspension, shortened penalty lengths due to good behavior, and free walks outside. A penalt nevertheless is a peny<lty, and if this penlty is the rejection of freedom, this freedom should not be allowed in small doses nevertheless, or as a reward. the sytem become corruptible by that, and the spycholoigy mechanism behind "pealty" often gets derailed, too.

One should never forget that if you release a social low class criminal and he returns into his former social milieu, the chance he will become criminal again is very, very high. Whereas the workdesk-offender, the big boss being corrupt, the manager who abused the system and took advantage of it, still has all his knowledge, and his criminal contacts, and thus also is a risk to do his crime again once he was released. This is an acute problem. The first example means to fight against Meduasa, and the second i see no real solution, only a hope that eventually an effect of deterrence can be achieved if the offender serves a pelty time that is aversoive enbough (long enough).

All in all I have not much trust into the laws and the courts, last but not least becasue ridiculous experiences I had to go through myself, and my parents having an issue running my mother takes suffering from.

Law and justice more and more often is not ihn congruence these days. A system where your wealth has a direct influehnce on the qulaity of attorney you can afford, and thus the chances you face, and the severity of a penalty, is even worse, of course.

so let the wards wear their sneaker at night. if that would be the only problem there is, we would have all reason to be satisfied. Wanting justice is one thing. Wanting revenge is a very different.