Your weapon of choice for your home defense?

[Monica Lewinsky]

Here is mine. :)

http://learnabit.homeserver.com/lab/BurglaryCommercial.wmv

Sorry, I have to charge you for the rock AND shipping fees for the rock. :p

[Ducimus]

Can't load movie at work. But to answer the question, a 12 gauge shotgun.

- Don't have to worry so much about overpenetration through walls.

-your chances of hitting something in the dark are ALOT greater since all you have to do is point the thing at COM,

-the sound a shotgun makes as you charge the weapon is enough to dissuade most anyone and convince them to GTF OUT.

[Monica Lewinsky]

Can't load movie at work.

Go home, try again - has to be a work control thing.

Can't load movie at work.

Might be an Internet Explorer thing as a trusted web site. The fix is in TOOLS menu, then INTERNET OPTIONS, SECURITY, then add as a trusted WEB Site.

Here is our perferred weapon for protecting our home:

http://learnabit.homeserver.com/lab/Medford_2006_010.jpg

yea, that is me. Come to my house I don't have one of them but two of them. One for me, one for her. We keep 3-4 thousand rounds handy in case someone decides to bother us ... just in case :) . We are prepared to defend ourselves. :p

Notice I kepted my finger[s] AWAY from the trigger.

Lot's of other stuff [a lot more guns] in reserve, too. Just in case you pay us a visit! :cool:

It's all in good fun folks .... to have a laugh or two. Don't take it to a higher level, please.

FYI: Trigger locks are on every gun and we have no kids. We are DINKs ... Double Income, No Kids.

[Ducimus]

Ive had enough of the M16 varient weapons from my stint in the service. If i ever hold one in my hands again it will be too soon. For home defense, im happy with a remington 870. It's all i need to protect my home from the wouldbe intruder.
http://mountaingunworks.com/870p_hqxf.jpg
(google image search, i dont have any pictures of mine at home)

[fatty]

Nothing; nobody seems to want to break into my house for whatever reason.

[Reaves]

BEWARE OF THE DOG!


http://www.fuzzle.info/images/SurfDog_2006/CuteDoggy2.jpg


Viscious little things.

[Monica Lewinsky]

For home defense, im happy with a remington 870. It's all i need to protect my home from the would be intruder.
It seems like the boat sailed away and I missed this one. That looks VERY interesting. thanks. Looks like her and I need to look into converting to this weapon. This appears to the new weapon for home defense as the preferred choice. :)

She is not crazy about shotguns ... too much power, too much hurt to the shoulder, too much mess to cleanup also. She prefers automatics weapons - point, shoot, get rid of them - let someone else clean up the mess.

Shoot and forget about them is her preferences and me too. And the mess is kept to a minimum with automatic weapons. Forget the "semi" stuff. Too many rules. Too much to remember if I did the right thing.

[CCIP]

Nothing; nobody seems to want to break into my house for whatever reason.
Yup :hmm:

And if they did, I have an axe within reach.

I lived in some fairly nasty places (e.g. in Russia), and honestly the best defenses I found tended to be passive ones - I mean stuff like reinforced steel doors, powerful locks and window bars (which we always had). And since we've never been anywhere close to rich, honestly, it seems absurdly stupid that someone would go through the effort of obtaining and bringing the neccesary equipment to cut through those when there's little of anything really valuable to steal - nothing that would make the break-in when the owners would have plenty of warning and would call for help and/or resist worthwhile, and nothing to really cry over if the break-in happens while you're not home. Frugalty was a good security measure there.

Meanwhile here in Canada, living mostly in smaller, lower-middle class communities, I've never once felt unsafe. Nor have I heard of anyone being seriously harmed in a break-in within miles of where I lived. So I'd sooner install an asteroid deflection device than buy a gun here. To me that seems about as paranoid, especially after living without weapons for many years in one of the world's unsafest cities (St. Petersburg, Russia).

[Yahoshua]

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb283/y4eorme/1170215087993.jpg



Anyway, nice to be back in the real world again.

Did I miss anything interesting?

[SteveW1]

AH my trusty Driver from my golf bag will do nicely dont use for golf so burglers look out

[Monica Lewinsky]

Nothing; nobody seems to want to break into my house for whatever reason.
Why would ANYONE want to enter a house in Canada? What's the point? There is nothing there to take.

Anyone else having problems with viewing the video clip?

[SteminDemon13]

http://www.gunsinternational.com/listing_images/100027419-1-l.jpg

S&W Model 29 .44 Magnum Silhouette:D

[Monica Lewinsky]

AH my trusty Driver from my golf bag will do nicely dont use for golf so burglers look out

So you can bury my balls [golf balls] next to the old bag [golf bag]? Is that what you are saying? :)

[Chock]

Being in the UK, this is a contentious issue, and has resulted in a few trials whenever anyone has shot an intruder in their home. However, whereas popular opinion has generally supported the defender, the law generally makes an example of them and bangs them up in jail, usually to much outcry from the press.

Personally, if I was on a jury on a case like that, I'd recommend they get a medal rather than a custodial sentence, but there you go. From that you can probably gather that if anyone comes into my home uninvited, I'd regard them as fair game for anything they got, which they would most assuredly have asked for.

So with that said, I have several weapons in my house and have taught my wife how to use them too. Most of them are of the fairly non-lethal variety, i.e powerful air-weapons, rather than firearms, including one that can repeat fire fairly rapidly, which is the one I've told my wife to use in an emergency, and I told her to go for headshots too. There is particularly nasty rifle though, should the situation warrant it, as well as an extremely powerful (300lb pull) crossbow with a telescopic sight which would probably do more damage than the pistol, but is obviously a one shot deal as it takes a few seconds to reload (we keep it in the bedroom with a bolt in it, but uncocked, and there are weapons distributed throughout the house in various locations, so that we could always get to one). However, if, and it's a big if, we had to use lethal force, it would be the crossbow we'd use as it is pretty accurate out to about 150 yards.

I hope I never have to use any of them, but I'm quite prepared to if it comes to defending my wife or myself, and I am a good shot too, being a member of a field target shooting club, where I usually shoot tiny (coin sized) targets outside at fairly long ranges.

But, the first line of defence in our house is the fact that we have eight dogs, including Dave, my huge German Shepherd Dog. I wouldn't feck with him if I were an intruder:rotfl:

:D Chock

[d@rk51d3]

Got a nice wrecking bar under the bed, with a sharp hooked end. Would fit nice and snug under an intruders jawbone.:yep:

[micky1up]

lol the land of the brave more like the land of the fearfull "just in case"

[Foxtrot]

http://www.diggerhistory.info/images/asstd3/white-feather2.jpg

Start tickling him till death

[Friedmann]

I have a lock on my door. If they get past that they can take what they want, thats what insurance is for.

I'm not fearful of someone coming in to my apartment and attacking me, its inconceivable.

[jumpy]

Well, across the pond here in the UK and thanks not in small part to our great and infallible legal system which favours the victim over the criminal on every third Sunday of the month each leap year, my weapon of choice for home defence is, of course, my plucky English sense if indignation and vast respect for my fellow man. Perhaps the offer of a nice cup of tea and a chat would also help in a crisis situation of this sort; you know, 'before you clean the place out and leave my family for dead, do you take milk and sugar?' ....but not in the good china, than you very much.



I own a couple of air rifles, but there's not a chance I'd use 'em for beating off an intruder, not unless I want to get shares in Tampax and free accommodation with the nations finest Travelodge.

[SteveW1]

AH my trusty Driver from my golf bag will do nicely dont use for golf so burglers look out

So you can bury my balls [golf balls] next to the old bag [golf bag]? Is that what you are saying? :)


Nah I just hate my driver so why not use it to hit someone with, at least I can be assured of hitting the burgler if not the golfball

[kiwi_2005]

A 15cm dagger with 72-104 hit damage & frost damage must have a critical hit ratio of 50% or higher and the ability to repair itself, cause you see ive trained with the masters of ashenvale how to dual with two daggers and stealth when in combat ready for that assasin hit of 10+ bleeding....:cool:

[HunterICX]

A 15cm dagger with 72-104 hit damage & frost damage must have a critical hit ratio of 50% or higher and the ability to repair itself, cause you see ive trained with the masters of ashenvale how to dual with two daggers and stealth when in combat ready for that assasin hit of 10+ bleeding....:cool:

Ok.....its time for you to stop playing World of Warcraft, mate


:rotfl:


my weapon of choise?
anything that can really hurt the bastard...

[Seth8530]

Thats how im going to defend my home. Stab em the oll fashioned way!:x





http://a843.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/52/m_c2a6904c80196bb4d939a887b8611402.jpg

[elite_hunter_sh3]

in canada i believe you have to kil lthe intruder otherwise he can sue you by simply stating " i never broke into your house, you invited me in and shot me"...:shifty:,

my 2 ways are....

http://www.blitzkrieger.com/broncoteeth.jpg
purebredd doberman pinscher(not sure if spelling is correct)
AND

http://www.wwiiguns.com/store/images/hudson_m1garand_modelgunreplica_wwii.jpg

cant beat a M1 garand.. a 12 gauge is also good :arrgh!:

[antikristuseke]

My throwing axe, hunting knife and balisong. Work well ennough.

[Happy Times]

Well, across the pond here in the UK and thanks not in small part to our great and infallible legal system which favours the victim over the criminal on every third Sunday of the month each leap year, my weapon of choice for home defence is, of course, my plucky English sense if indignation and vast respect for my fellow man. Perhaps the offer of a nice cup of tea and a chat would also help in a crisis situation of this sort; you know, 'before you clean the place out and leave my family for dead, do you take milk and sugar?' ....but not in the good china, than you very much.



I own a couple of air rifles, but there's not a chance I'd use 'em for beating off an intruder, not unless I want to get shares in Tampax and free accommodation with the nations finest Travelodge.

You have to be carefull here also what you do to the intruder, if you dont want to go in jail. Atleast we can get guns, not just criminals and goverment.:roll: Though after the school shooting politicians have made populistic statements about gun ownership. Most likely they will atleast take guns away from under 18 yrs olds, pressed by EU.:damn:

[Torpedo Fodder]

I live in a very safe neighborhood so if I bought a gun it would be for recreation, not home defense. However, if I needed one for such purpose, my first choice would be a 12-gauge pump-action, probably a Mossberg 500/590 or a Remington 870, with an 18 inch barrel (the shortest legal barrel in Canada). A shotgun would be ideal because of the distintive, unmistakeable sound of the slide being pumped combined with it's imposing size, which may convince the perp to flee without you having to fire it. However if the perp is stupid enough to try and attack you instead of flee, you can be guaranteed that one shot will put him down.

[Dmitry Markov]

I think I don't have much need in firearms since I live in city and my flat isn't that large. And in close quarters combat firearms don't give you much advantages over good old and sharp kitchen knife. Unless the intruder has passed courses for Special Forces and is training every day... By the way, I do :) And my bokuto (japanese hard-wood training sword for kendo kata) is within reach every moment of time when I'm at home. Since it is not sharp I don't even have to hide it from my daughter... And of course the kitchen is also near ;)

[Letum]

120lb old style tnt in a 2''6 cast iron case with an electro magnesium fuse.
The bomb is mounted just out side my bedroom door and the detanator button is next to my alarm clock.

I have nothing in my house that is worth more than a human life.

[Dmitry Markov]

P.S. But most of Russians would prefer a traumatic gun (a pistol or revolver firing "rubber bullets") or wonderful "Saiga" - http://www.dmazay.ru/002/Saiga20Ris.PNG

Kalashnikov-based semi automatic smooth bore assault rifle which can fire either bullets or grape-shot and is more rapid firing and reliable in service than shotguns (and in Russia it is legal to have such a thing at home).

Best Regards.

[Tchocky]

No seems to want my stuff, so no home defence as yet. Except the best, preventative, measures. Visibly strong locks on doors and windows, overgrown lawn, psychotic garden gnome, bloody handprints on the concrete streaking blood towards the door.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

I have three swords and a .22 rifle.

[Tchocky]

I have three swords and a .22 rifle.
Ah, you reminded me. My girlfriend has a sword and three or four hunting knives. The sword is very old, probably wouldn't cut a cabbage, but the knives are beautifully sharp

[STEED]

You folks in the UK who have weapons will play in to the hands of the burglar and you go to prison, what you need is fish a big one.

Note the man on the left. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMKCLyhBBwI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMKCLyhBBwI)

Result the burglar will look like a right fool in court. ;)

PS: Once you clubbed the burglar cook the fish.

[kiwi_2005]

120lb old style tnt in a 2''6 cast iron case with an electro magnesium fuse.
The bomb is mounted just out side my bedroom door and the detanator button is next to my alarm clock.

I have nothing in my house that is worth more than a human life.

:rotfl:Make sure your wide awake before you slam that alarm clock button :rotfl:

[seafarer]

I have a watch-parrot :p Bug her enough and she could wake the dead - who I'd be counting on to rush to our aid.

http://www.mbblack.name/Amina%20-%20June%202002/Amina%20-%20June%202002-Images/2.jpg


P.S. And a Ruger GP 161 .357 magnum, but that's in its case locked away in my home safe, so not really a readily-at-hand home defense weapon.

[Officerpuppy]

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b344/Officerpuppy_/Other/ed_209.jpg
"You have 20 seconds to comply":up:

[Jimbuna]

I still have my first issue 32 inch graphite baton and a Samurai sword I purchased in China, of all places in 77 :arrgh!:

[Letum]

120lb old style tnt in a 2''6 cast iron case with an electro magnesium fuse.
The bomb is mounted just out side my bedroom door and the detanator button is next to my alarm clock.

I have nothing in my house that is worth more than a human life.
:rotfl:Make sure your wide awake before you slam that alarm clock button :rotfl:

Why? Either way i wake up! :D

[Ducimus]

For home defense, im happy with a remington 870. It's all i need to protect my home from the would be intruder.
It seems like the boat sailed away and I missed this one. That looks VERY interesting. thanks. Looks like her and I need to look into converting to this weapon. This appears to the new weapon for home defense as the preferred choice. :)


My spouse prefers a handgun, its what she used the most when her father brought her shooting. I prefer a shotgun for many reasons

1. Again, no overpenetration through walls where you might accidently hit or kill your neighbor - youd be liable for that

2. A good old fashined scatter gun with double 00, will put your ass in the dirt, and your probably not going to get up. (if you dont want to kil him outright, load a birdshot shell last so its the first in the chamber, if they dont get the hint after that, your reload is a 00 )

3. More then likely, when you use this thing, it will be late at night, dark, and you'll be waking up out of bed. Point being, Aiming will be more difficult, you dont aim a shotgun, you point it.

4. Hitting center of mass with a shotgun is infintley easier, especially when your panicked or scared - and combine point 3, you more then likely will be to some degree.

5. You want to avoid that encounter to begin with, the sound of a shotgun charging is VERY distinct, and that sound alone will make someone crap their pants when they know its meant for them.

[Oberon]

http://www.acq.osd.mil/ncbdp/nm/images/missle-cruise.jpg

There are few problems in this world that can't be solved by a TLAM...

It'd probably improve the house as well as deter any intruders.

[Letum]

The smell here deters most intruders.

[Sailor Steve]

...if I bought a gun it would be for recreation, not home defense. However, if I needed one for such purpose, my first choice would be a 12-gauge pump-action, probably a Mossberg 500/590 or a Remington 870, with an 18 inch barrel (the shortest legal barrel in Canada).
If you need one, it will be too late to talk about what your first choice would have been.

@ elite_hunter_sh3: The Garand is a poor choice, as is my '03 Springfield, the earlier bolt-action rifle firing the same round. Why? because that round will go through the intruder, through the wall, through the wall across the street and through the neighbor (or his daughter). The shotgun or the .45 would be the best choice: slow lead rounds that won't go much further than the target, and are unlikely to go through the walls when you miss.

[Monica Lewinsky]

My spouse prefers a handgun, its what she used the most when her father brought her shooting. I prefer a shotgun for many reasons.

My spouse likes things simple. Yea, she perfers hand guns, too. Her second choice is this sort-of-plastic Baretta because of its light weight:

Light, simple to use, aim in the general direction, shoot and forget - wipe out the intruder in 9 rounds or less:

It is the gun in the Middle - all Black - fires 9 mm ammo. If you have one hand free, it will do the job for you.

http://learnabit.homeserver.com/lab/med0503.jpg

That Chinese AK-47 in the middle on the ground is a piece of junk. Biggest waste of money for me - I regret buying it. Weighs a ton and jams too often to shoot the intruder coming down through your hallway. And ammo for it is too expensive to use on the dirt bag in your home. Use a knife or baseball bat instead on him/her on the dirt bag and get rid of them. It's cheaper.


Some hand guns in our home that protect us from people like you :D :

http://learnabit.homeserver.com/lab/Medford_2006_019.jpg


Have a nice day!
We are firm believers of home defense. :)

[swifty]

http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/27671/2038717370102531371S600x600Q85.jpg (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2038717370102531371BeowlQ)

[stabiz]

http://www.geocities.com/nicktintimor/kingreview/advice23musk/gun.jpg

[Monica Lewinsky]

Swifty ... Stabiz .... you have something to say?

[JSLTIGER]

1916 DWM Artillery Luger
http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/bigpics/snail_drum_artillery_luger/IMG_2283.jpg

[fatty]

Nothing; nobody seems to want to break into my house for whatever reason.
Why would ANYONE want to enter a house in Canada? What's the point? There is nothing there to take.

Sorry, what are you trying to say here? I'm not sure I understand.

[Monica Lewinsky]

Why would ANYONE want to enter a house in Canada? What's the point? There is nothing there to take.

Sorry, what are you trying to say here? I'm not sure I understand.

Why bother. There is nothing there- NOTHING. :) The person is in Canada so why do it? :)

[Ducimus]

>>Some hand guns in our home that protect us from people like you


People like me? I don't go tresspassing on peoples property.

[Reaves]

>>Some hand guns in our home that protect us from people like you


People like me? I don't go tresspassing on peoples property.


I'm pretty sure you stole my my TV Ducimus. Come on, don't lie about it, we know it was you.

:shifty:

[Monica Lewinsky]

>>Some hand guns in our home that protect us from people like you
People like me? I don't go tresspassing on peoples property.
Was just pulling your leg. Your little one. The one that is rarely erect, if ever. :p

[Ducimus]

You left yourself open on that last post, but i'll leave it alone. :rotfl:

[CptSimFreak]

http://www.gunsinternational.com/listing_images/100027419-1-l.jpg

S&W Model 29 .44 Magnum Silhouette:D

Same...well.... almost.

[Monica Lewinsky]

I'm pretty sure you stole my my TV Ducimus. Come on, don't lie about it, we know it was you.:shifty:

Nah, it's in my house. real nice too using your TV for nothing! didn't cost me a dime. :-?
Gonna test a 12 gauge on it soon. Need some pics of it being tested?

[Letum]

Theres allways KITCHEN GUN (http://www.ongein.nl/ongein/item.aspx?id=7067)

BANG BANG BANG!

[SteminDemon13]

CPTSim Freak,
My 44 has the 10 5/8" Barrel as the one pictured. It's in great shape and they actually make a vertical shoulder holster for it. It was diffucult to find at first. What model 44 do you have? I would like to get the latest aniversary S&W model 29. That will be later on down the road here, but hopefully not that far away.

I am looking right now for a compact 45 Semi Auto. If anyone has had good or bad experiences with your compact, please share them. About 1 year ago I had purchased a Remington 12 gauge double barrel. Great gun and my first Side By Side, which was something I had wanted to aquire for a while.

Well, with hunting season here, and target season all year around, I would like to wish you all a safe gun, bow and hunting experience. For those of you interested in Firearm ownership, please attend a safety course. Great info for years of safe shooting. Also, Keep your firearms in tip top shape,maintain them and keep em clean.

[CptSimFreak]

I'll look at the model in the morning. Here's pictures of it...old but shoots very well.
http://xc5.xanga.com/154d80f459032130750969/b95264922.jpg

http://xf6.xanga.com/60dd945256732130325877/w94905763.jpg

[TarJak]

http://home.c2i.net/kaaby/brain4.jpg

[Letum]

Haha! spot on!

[Tachyon]

One man army for home defense :

http://bestqualitywallpapers.com/Games/Terminator.jpg



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:George-W-Bush.jpeg

[StdDev]

Keep this baby next to me nightstand..
http://www.advpow.com/images/lwh2.jpg

[micky1up]

At Least Someone Got It Right The Mind Is The Most Powerfull Weapon

[waste gate]

Why would I post on the internet my security apporatis?

[bookworm_020]

My Security is my wife!:D

[Fish]

Nothing; nobody seems to want to break into my house for whatever reason.

Same here.

[nikimcbee]

http://www.civilwarpreservations.com/catpage.asp?CategoryType=bayonets

Think carefully before climbing in my window:cool: .

Give'm the cold steel!

[3Jane]

A cricket bat. Lots of weight with the option of striking with the face or the edge. OWZAAAAAAAAAAAAT :D

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9631/showimageaspnm1.jpg

[Letum]

A cricket bat. Lots of weight with the option of striking with the face or the edge. OWZAAAAAAAAAAAAT :D

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/9631/showimageaspnm1.jpg

Ahh, the yorkshireman's weapon of choice!

After you have knocked him out then put this t-shirt on him.
Then leave him in the shambles and watch the tourists rip him apart when the
coaches arrive and he has nothing to give.
http://www.b3tards.com/u/57a418c694bc7c6296b3/cams.jpg

[SUBMAN1]

I prefer a shotgun for many reasons...

...2. A good old fashined scatter gun with double 00, will put your ass in the dirt, and your probably not going to get up. (if you dont want to kil him outright, load a birdshot shell last so its the first in the chamber, if they dont get the hint after that, your reload is a 00 )

3. More then likely, when you use this thing, it will be late at night, dark, and you'll be waking up out of bed. Point being, Aiming will be more difficult, you dont aim a shotgun, you point it...Shotgun still needs to be aimed and will have a tight grouping in close quarters, so that idea is out - that is unless you have only an illegal 5" barrel or something. THen it sprays everywhere forward. 18" barrel, and well, you get the idea.

On your choise of ammo, change to buck 01 instead of 00. It will do the same job on whomever is attacking you, but it will also be unlikely to kill your neighbors, unlike 00. 00 penetrates more than a .45. 01 does not.

Just my two cents. If you need to see for yourself, visit The Box of Truth. They put 01 and 00 through the test. If I remember correctly, the 00 penetrated a massive 12 walls.

-S

[SUBMAN1]

My personal answer to the question - whatever is handy and close by. Preferably, the uglier, the better too - for the psychological factor of course. :D If it's heavy and potentially damaging - this is good. If it slices too - that is even better. Really good is that it has bullets. Great is if it comes equipped with a high capacity mag too!!!

-S

[waste gate]

I think birdshot with a full choke will stop anyone and other penetration worries are settled.

[Steel_Tomb]

I would have a three layer defense system. Firstly...I'd have claymores layed in areas where intruders are most likely to come from, operated by trip wires. Secondly, I'd have IR guided automated gatling gun turrets, followed by me with DAO12 (the automatic shotgun from BF2?)

Lol...in reality I suppose a trusty side arm, say a pistol. Or if I was feeling adventurous perhaps the forementioned shotgun.

[Happy Times]

http://www.teraasekeskus.com/tuotteet/kivaarit/ArsenjalNet.jpg
http://www.teraasekeskus.com/tuotteet/haulikot/MossbergNet2.jpg
http://www.teraasekeskus.com/tuotteet/pistoolit/GlockPro17Net.jpg

These im going to buy before the laws change.:p

[Chock]

Buy them after the law changes instead, they'll be cheaper, that's what all the criminals are doing in the UK thanks to the ridiculous gun legislation over here. Meanwhile, all the law abiding citizens have to sit there armed with a potato peeler.

:D Chock

[waste gate]

Buy them after the law changes instead, they'll be cheaper, that's what all the criminals are doing in the UK thanks to the ridiculous gun legislation over here. Meanwhile, all the law abiding citizens have to sit there armed with a potato peeler.

:D Chock

That works if one is a criminal at heart. Law abiding folks will make their purchase before it becomes illegal to do so.

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".

[Tchocky]

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".

Tautology ahoy!

[waste gate]

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns".

Tautology ahoy!

I know it can be hard to wrap ones mind a round if you don't believe that criminals exist, or that law abiding people exist.

[Tchocky]

I know it can be hard to wrap ones mind a round if you don't believe that criminals exist, or that law abiding people exist. Speaking from experience? Oh I don't know anymore.

Saying that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns is needlessly circular, obvious, and a bit stupid. It's like saying "why should we make laws, criminals will still break them?".

[Letum]

When privately owned nuclear weapons are outlawed, only outlaws have privately
owned nuclear weapons.

[waste gate]

When privately owned nuclear weapons are outlawed, only outlaws have privately
owned nuclear weapons.

SOP for you Letum. Over the top when your argument is shown to be phlacid.

[Happy Times]

I know it can be hard to wrap ones mind a round if you don't believe that criminals exist, or that law abiding people exist. Speaking from experience? Oh I don't know anymore.

Saying that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns is needlessly circular, obvious, and a bit stupid. It's like saying "why should we make laws, criminals will still break them?".

But will banning of guns prevent crime? I dont understand that people in UK are like sheep and let the goverment take their guns. Now this stupidy is spreading in EU.

[Letum]

When privately owned nuclear weapons are outlawed, only outlaws have privately
owned nuclear weapons.
SOP for you Letum. Over the top when your argument is shown to be phlacid.

No argument, just joke.

[Tchocky]

But will banning of guns prevent crime? I dont understand that people in UK are like sheep and let the goverment take their guns. Now this stupidy is spreading in EU.Of course banning guns won't prevent crime. The world isn't that simple.
No public gun ownership = stupidity = sheep

^the world isn't that simple either^

[Happy Times]

But will banning of guns prevent crime? I dont understand that people in UK are like sheep and let the goverment take their guns. Now this stupidy is spreading in EU.Of course banning guns won't prevent crime. The world isn't that simple.
No public gun ownership = stupidity = sheep

^the world isn't that simple either^

You dont think owning guns is a basic right?

[Friedmann]

You dont think owning guns is a basic right?

Nope, its privilege.

I don't think I would be comfortable living somewhere that sanctioned the mentally unstable, criminal, blind etc etc having unfettered access to firearms.

[Swede]

I have a sign outside my house that says "intruders will be shot. Male intruders will be raped and shot"

[Happy Times]

You dont think owning guns is a basic right?

Nope, its privilege.

I don't think I would be comfortable living somewhere that sanctioned the mentally unstable, criminal, blind etc etc having unfettered access to firearms.

Heh, those people can get weapons when ever they want one.
The point is that healthy and honest citizen should have the right to own guns.
I can accept psycological tests and right to access your medical bacground when getting your license. But just banning them, what does that make us? We cant be trusted on how we think and act so goverment does it for us. Maybe thay will ban knives next? Gasoline? Rocks? I wont live like that and will emigrate to US if things start to go that stupid here. Anyone get this?

[Tchocky]

Happy Times, don't forget that you elect this cruel government that doesn't trust you.

As regards guns as a right, I agree with you, owning guns is a right. But it's not an absolute right. I believe that mass public gun ownership has an adverse impact on other rights; right to life, fair trial. Enough of an impact to justify controlling guns.

[Jimbuna]

Happy Times, don't forget that you elect this cruel government that doesn't trust you.

As regards guns as a right, I agree with you, owning guns is a right. But it's not an absolute right. I believe that mass public gun ownership has an adverse impact on other rights; right to life, fair trial. Enough of an impact to justify controlling guns.

Precisely :yep:

How the control is maintained is key to it's effectiveness and success.

[Happy Times]

Happy Times, don't forget that you elect this cruel government that doesn't trust you.

As regards guns as a right, I agree with you, owning guns is a right. But it's not an absolute right. I believe that mass public gun ownership has an adverse impact on other rights; right to life, fair trial. Enough of an impact to justify controlling guns.

Precisely :yep:

How the control is maintained is key to it's effectiveness and success.

Our goverment is pressured by the EU, the "federal goverment" of Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Finland

"mass public gun ownership" isnt a threat to anything if these are normal citizens, its BS to say so. It has worked fine here for 90+ years, we dont need anyone saying otherwise.

[Jimbuna]

Happy Times, don't forget that you elect this cruel government that doesn't trust you.

As regards guns as a right, I agree with you, owning guns is a right. But it's not an absolute right. I believe that mass public gun ownership has an adverse impact on other rights; right to life, fair trial. Enough of an impact to justify controlling guns.

Precisely :yep:

How the control is maintained is key to it's effectiveness and success.

Our goverment is pressured by the EU, the "federal goverment" of Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Finland

"mass public gun ownership" isnt a threat to anything if these are normal citizens, its BS to say so. It has worked fine here for 90+ years, we dont need anyone saying otherwise.

The EU are exerting similar pressures 'little by little' on the British, and the government are unwilling to give us the referendum they once promised in case the population rebels :nope:

[SUBMAN1]

I know it can be hard to wrap ones mind a round if you don't believe that criminals exist, or that law abiding people exist. Speaking from experience? Oh I don't know anymore.

Saying that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns is needlessly circular, obvious, and a bit stupid. It's like saying "why should we make laws, criminals will still break them?".You are very amusing - sort of like listening to a man with blinders on. :D Always Predictable, always brainwashed, always simply Tchocky. I can predict your answers in almost every sense, but I still find it amusing that you still post what I know your going to post! :rotfl: Sort of like a Troll on certain subjects, never willing to ask questions or see both sides of the fence.

Let me ask you - how do you say this, yet your criminals can buy a fully automatic AK-47 in downtown London FOR CHEAPER THAN I CAN here in the US legally? Maybe in your fantasy land, this isn't happening, but last I checked, fully auto AK-47's in London are going for about 800 British pounds. Over here, I'd probably have to pay triple for a legal fully auto AK-47 as a citizen.

So, since your point is proven completely false since in the UK, the outlaws have the guns, and law abiding citizens do not, I see a catch 22 happening on your reply. Maybe this one I can't fully predict unless you pull something from fantasy land instead of reality. Please, amuse me some more! :D


-S

[Letum]

Illegal death by fire arms is still as rare as a blue moon in the UK.

In a average year you have 0.0000000296% chance of getting shot in the UK.
Thats insanely small.

Having a gun to fend off that chance is like wearing a hard hat all the time outdoors in case a meteore knocks your head.


Chances of getting shot by an assault rifle?
haha, not worth thinking about!

[Fish]

"The only thing that jumps out is lethal violence," Hemenway says. Violence, pace H. Rap Brown, is not "as American as cherry pie," but American violence does tend to end in death. The reason, plain and simple, is guns. We own more guns per capita than any other high-income country—maybe even more than one gun for every man, woman, and child in the country. A 1994 survey numbered the U.S. gun supply at more than 200 million in a population then numbered at 262 million, and currently about 35 percent of American households have guns. (These figures count only civilian guns; Switzerland, for example, has plenty of military weapons per capita.)
"It's not as if a 19-year-old in the United States is more evil than a 19-year-old in Australia—there's no evidence for that," Hemenway explains. "But a 19-year-old in America can very easily get a pistol. That's very hard to do in Australia. So when there's a bar fight in Australia, somebody gets punched out or hit with a beer bottle. Here, they get shot."

http://harvardmagazine.com/2004/09/death-by-the-barrel.html

[mookiemookie]

Seeing as I was burglarized on Friday, I've been sleeping with a claw hammer next to my bed. That should do the job. I'll use the blunt end, of course. I don't want the claw getting stuck in someone's skull in case I need to swing again. :arrgh!:

[Letum]

Seeing as I was burglarized on Friday, I've been sleeping with a claw hammer next to my bed. That should do the job. I'll use the blunt end, of course. I don't want the claw getting stuck in someone's skull in case I need to swing again. :arrgh!:

Try to sneak up behind them and aim for the top of the head.

However unflinching you think you are you will suffer trauma to some extent if the
young man is facing you and it takes several messy blows to finish the job with a
less than surgical hand-to-hand weapon.

He may be the enemy, but you don't want the kind of dreams that the money from
veterans day trys to help people with when you go to sleep the next night.

If you really want to kill someone because they took your DVD player then go with a gun.
It's all about the distance, speed, visible damage and blame.

It is far less traumatic to kill with more speed, distance, less visible damage and to
put some blame on to an inanimate object or someone else. Guns do all 3 fairly well,
better than a claw hammer anyway.

Of course guns have limitations, the Nazis found this out when trying to kill Jews.
After shooting several hundred the people doing the shooting started to suffer from
trauma.
The gas chambers and ovens fixed this by increasing the distance, decreasing
visible damage and transferring more of the blame away from the killer and onto the gas.

If you want to push it all the way then the A-bomb is a great way to kill people trauma free.
the distances are massive, there is no visible damage to people, speed isn't a issue
and you can blame it all on the bomb, even if you don't then you can always blame it
on someone else responsible for the drop.

If those who dropped the bomb had to kill all those people with a claw hammer then
they wouldn't have got past the first hundred thousand with out breaking into a
gibbering wreck.

The other option is to avoid him and then phone the police of course.
Bear it in mind. ;)



I wonder if he has a wife and kids. Certainly a mother!

[mookiemookie]

Letum, I can understand where you're coming from, but for me it goes beyond having my stuff stolen.

I moved into my new place a week ago when my fiance broke up with me. I hadn't lived here a week when someone kicked in my door, stole my computer, my game systems, every DVD I own, as well as my knife set in my kitchen amongst other assorted items.

My hobbies include playing games and cooking. And I obviously loved my ex-fiance with every bit of my being. So therefore, the way I see it, everything that brought me joy in my life has been taken from me. To kick me while I'm down, as this (these) piece(s) of human garbage did to me, is the final straw. I'm not a violent person, and have not struck a person in anger since the 4th grade, but if they came back to finish the job and clean me out, I'd actually take great pleasure in beating them to a pulp.

Wife and kid? Too bad. Shouldn't have gotten hooked up with a piece of trash. Mother? Should have done a better job teaching your kid right from wrong. The possibility of an angry and vindictive homeowner is the risk you run when making your living as a thief.

But I'll agree with you on one thing. I live in Texas and guns are easy to get here. I'll be getting a shotgun soon and I guess the sound of me racking it while someone's in my house will be a great deterrant.

[Letum]

Yer, get the shot gun soon, it makes it much easier. you dont want to back out at the
last muinet with a hand to hand weapon only to have him turn on you.

[Tchocky]

I know it can be hard to wrap ones mind a round if you don't believe that criminals exist, or that law abiding people exist. Speaking from experience? Oh I don't know anymore.

Saying that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns is needlessly circular, obvious, and a bit stupid. It's like saying "why should we make laws, criminals will still break them?".You are very amusing - sort of like listening to a man with blinders on. :D Always Predictable, always brainwashed, always simply Tchocky. I can predict your answers in almost every sense, but I still find it amusing that you still post what I know your going to post! :rotfl: Sort of like a Troll on certain subjects, never willing to ask questions or see both sides of the fence. Eh? I might be amusing, but you're baffling.
I was pointing out a rhetorical tautology in waste_gate's post, a meaningless phrase that imparts no knowledge, that's all. Read Letum's reply, he seems to have understood.
Poster 1 - Why Argument "A"?
Poster 2 - Because "A"? How are you not getting this?!

etc
Let me ask you - how do you say this, yet your criminals can buy a fully automatic AK-47 in downtown London FOR CHEAPER THAN I CAN here in the US legally? Maybe in your fantasy land, this isn't happening, but last I checked, fully auto AK-47's in London are going for about 800 British pounds. Over here, I'd probably have to pay triple for a legal fully auto AK-47 as a citizen. My criminals? I'm not British, and I don't run a gang of Kalashnikov-wielding pickpockets. Maybe in fantasy land I'm a heavily armed Artful Dodger, not here.
So, since your point is proven completely false since in the UK, the outlaws have the guns, and law abiding citizens do not, I see a catch 22 happening on your reply. Maybe this one I can't fully predict unless you pull something from fantasy land instead of reality. Please, amuse me some more! :DEh? The only proof you've made here is that some guns are cheaper in London than the Pacific Northwest. And I wasn't trying to make that point. I wasn't making any point, bar a linguistic one. This is hilarious.
If I had been arguing about guns prices in two foreign countries, then I'd say that it's probably a lot easier to buy an rifle in the US than illegally in London. The shoeleather costs of finding someone who'll sell you one in London outweigh the price differential. You say it as if there are specialist shops for illegal guns, right on Main Street, I think you're being disingenous.

Re: blinkers, brainwashed, predictable - Have a banana. You've made a massive assumptive leap, seeing arguments where there were none.

[Happy Times]

Yer, get the shot gun soon, it makes it much easier. you dont want to back out at the
last muinet with a hand to hand weapon only to have him turn on you.

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6537/grin560lek4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Fish]

relevant post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/20/AR2007112000893.html?hpid=topnews?referrer=email

The Supreme Court announced today that it will decide whether the District of Columbia's ban on handguns violates the Constitution, a choice that will put the justices at the center of the controversy over the meaning of the Second Amendment for the first time in nearly 70 years.
The court's decision could have broad implications for gun-control measures locally and across the country, and will raise a hotly contested political issue just in time for the 2008 elections.

[DeepIron]

Well, when the Second Amendment is scrapped, they can pry my Glock G21 .45cal out of my dead, clenched fingers... :up:

[Monica Lewinsky]

Back on topic ..........

This years (2007) test of some weapons tested off site 25 miles northeast of Medford, WI by me and some friends of 25+ years - (Medford, WI is home headquarters of TombStone Pizza - each frozen pizza is made there) i.e. we tested these weapos [not in our homes shooting an intruder] but shot at tin cans full of water.

Disclaimer:
No aninmals were hurt making this presentation.

We have been doing this each year since 1983, it is an annual event for me.

104 pics for you to look at via Windows Live - hope you enjoy the "boys" in the north woods of Wisconsin (cheese heads).

http://cid-2a2a6387d72a1274.spaces.live.com/photos/cns!2A2A6387D72A1274!142/

You can also look at the pictures in the folder called November 18 on the FAR LEFT. This is my get-a-way place I own 120 miles west of Chicago, IL. It's this years picture albumn of me raking leaves by myself for 2 days, 8-9 hours each day. That sucked and I ended up with a sore back.

[Stealth Hunter]

I have a Smith & Wesson .34 Special in my drawer next to by bed.

Otherwise, a Winchester shotgun and a Springfield M1A1 1903 Rifle.

[Winston Caine]

Nothing.
In my country, home defense is not an issue. A few people still have guns, but they are mostly war veterans.