U-boats with SH4!!?

[Fenris_Wolf]

http://www.subsim.com/sh4/silent_hunter4_addon.php :o

I would like to know more..

..and

Discuss!

Personally I'm not sure U-boats would be the same outside the Atlantic but look at the new features and if my suspicion is correct there will be AI wolfpacks.

[Torplexed]

We're all gonna meet in the Indian Ocean, and have a party. :cool:

[Fenris_Wolf]

Now, only if they add allied vs. axis warfare in it's multiplayer.

I can imagine the chaos. :p

[Chock]

There's already a long thread on it in the SH4 forum and it got quite heated, rather needlessly I thought.

I just welcome any new sub sims that come along and I think the efforts to make the crew more human sound like a great idea, although I know many are against that kind of thing, as they were when MS bravely tried to move combat flight sims along by adding similar elements in CFS3, which, again, I thought made it much more fun and interesting, but it seems I was in a minority with that.

Anything that blurs the join between SH3 and SH4 is great as far as I'm concerned, as it blunts the swords of those with a them and us attitude about the two sims. If anyone doesn't like it, they don't have to buy it, but if that's the case, it kind of makes me wonder what they are doing frequenting a place called Subsim.

:D Chock

[Reece]

a long thread on it in the SH4 forum and it got quite heated Yeh, the same old SH3 vs SH4, why anyone would want to compare to the point of exploding (dummy spit), I don't know, I've been playing SH3 since it came out & as soon as SH4 1.4 patch is released will be installing that!:up: I want both flavours!:yep:

[SmokinTep]

Same here. Plan on giving SHIV a go now that a bunch of patches are out now.

[Torplexed]

SH4 add-on is such a clumsy name. Perhaps they should call it SH4.5? :yep:

I'll certainly pick it up. Given the niche market nature of subsims, I'm amazed that they're going this far.

[xristoskaiti]

incredible....... in them we say in a open letter that the
improvements want the community subsims......:damn: :damn:

[me262]

I will enjoy taking my IXd2 for a cruise around the pacific, and viset a few harbours, and sink some.....beer:arrgh!:

[STEED]

German U-Boats great but to sail in them!!! SH4 is a Allied game and it should be kept that way, if you want to go to the Indian ocean and the rest get GWX 1.03 and a IXD2 boat.

[Fenris_Wolf]

There's already a long thread on it in the SH4 forum and it got quite heated, rather needlessly I thought.

I respect their wishes. If somebody like their eggs scrambled then they should be allowed to speak out and have scrambled eggs. There is very little tolerance left among people these days.

There is also GWX 1.04 to look forward to. Even the current game has not lost it's replayability value for me. However I believe the addon will add a lot more new content not only for players but for the modding community as well. :up:

[bigboywooly]

The thread does get a bit heated
:oops:

Not from the addon or the uboats
Tis the fantasy XVIII that was the issue on my part
Oh and the Spee\Scheer model which both visited the I O long before the monsoon boats ever there

True it will aid the port of SH3 to SH4 a lot easier
The uboat interiors are one of the hardest parts to get across

Tis just a pity they plan to use the XVIII which will be no good to man nor beast
IXC would have been more appropriate

Still
More cash in the Ubi coffers and a leg up on getting the rest of the Atlantic over to SH4

Who knows may be the first of a few addons

Br subs anyone ????

[Kipparikalle]

That addon is the only reason I'm buying the SH4 now.

[bigboywooly]

That addon is the only reason I'm buying the SH4 now.

Ah see it works
More cash for Ubi
:rotfl:

There will be many more posts\thoughts like that which is good for the game and the future of SilentHunter

[STEED]

That addon is the only reason I'm buying the SH4 now.

Ah see it works
More cash for Ubi
:rotfl:

There will be many more posts\thoughts like that which is good for the game and the future of SilentHunter

Someone is on good form tonight. :yep:

[bigboywooly]

Tis friday and have the house to myself

:rotfl:

[STEED]

Tis friday and have the house to myself

:rotfl:

One man party, cool. :D :cool: :|\\

[NealT]

Tis friday and have the house to myself

:rotfl:

I can only hope I get that lucky some day...

:doh::yep::lol:

[GoldenRivet]

This looks like a cool add on - probably will have to go on a clean, patched un modified install though :shifty:

[Iron Budokan]

I guess I don't understand the "us vs. them" debate.

[Stealth Hunter]

We're all gonna meet in the Indian Ocean, and have a party. :cool:

"Pack your bags; we're goin' ta Memphis." -Frylock, ATHF

As for that post, I'll bring along Bernard.

[Ducimus]

I guess I don't understand the "us vs. them" debate.

I think i do. Although im not sure of myself on this subject anymore, it all gets muddled after awhile. I think the bottom line is that Sh4 was meant as a tribute to the US submarine service in the pacific theater. Or at least, that is the common perception. So The term "uboat" is like a slap in the face, because they always get all the hype and attention. So I think for many reasons, alot of people in the SH4 community are just tired of hearing about them.

[Chock]

I don't see anywhere on the DVD case for SH4 that says Silent Hunter 4 is supposed to be a tribute to US submariners. It just says 'Silent Hunter 4 Wolves of the Pacific' which could mean any nationality, as could the term Silent Hunter.

Although if we want to get really picky on stuff, if anything, the Wolf reference is more applicable to German subs than any other nation at all, since they were the ones that hunted in packs and coined the epiphet (not that they exactly darkened the Pacific horizon with U-Boat periscopes), in addition to which, there is a Rising Sun behind where it says 'Wolves of the Pacific' too, which hardly seems to fit a 'US submariner tribute' notion, although we could put that down to naff graphic design I guess, since the box also depicts a sub engaging in a major suface action with carriers and Kamikazes all over the place. As far as I'm aware, UBI pitched it as more appealing to casual players, rather than any sort of tribute.

I like both sims, I really don't see why it has to turn into a petty war about things, there's nothing stopping anyone driving a Gato alone if they want to, although to be fair, I think UBI ought to add in that wierd Yank one - the Narhwal is it? before they put an obscure Jerry one that never even got built, in numbers.

Anyway, I'd like to see Jap, British and Italian ones too, but I'm not about to start slagging forum members and developers off, just because I'm not getting exactly what I in particular want.

Edit: Hey look at my post count! I am 1337, cool, (or pehaps I mean kewl) I am teh roxxor (whatever that means)

:D Chock

[Jimbuna]

Agreed Sir :yep:

[Ducimus]

I don't see anywhere on the DVD case for SH4 that says Silent Hunter 4 is supposed to be a tribute to US submariners.

Not that anyone RTFM's this day and age, but try looking at the last sentence of page 20 in the game manual.
Here, ill save you the trouble:

Silent Hunter: wolves in the pacific is our hommage to the U.S Silent Service and the feats they accomplished.

[Hartmann]

Very interesting.

the game is about the pacific , but everybody is free to install or use some features or future mods, like u-boats. Also , it happens before when a team convert SH2 to the pacific using stuff from DC (destroyer command) :yep:

the addon opens a door to import units and things from sh3 to sh4 and a very wide array of possibilities.

[madmike81]

Very interesting.

the game is about the pacific , but everybody is free to install or use some features or future mods, like u-boats. Also , it happens before when a team convert SH2 to the pacific using stuff from DC (destroyer command) :yep:

the addon opens a door to import units and things from sh3 to sh4 and a very wide array of possibilities.

That is what crossed my mind....i wonder how the subs will look when crossed back from sh4 to sh3......

[Chock]

Not that anyone RTFM's this day and age, but try looking at the last sentence of page 20 in the game manual.
Here, ill save you the trouble:


If it says that in your manual, fair enough, but it doesn't say that anywhere in my SH4 manual that I can see, this is page 20 of it:

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j105/AlanBradbury/SilentHunter4Manual20.jpg

:D Chock

[Ducimus]

Yeah, i can do that too.

http://www.ducimus.net/sh4/whatevernazilover.jpg

[Capt. Shark Bait]

We're all gonna meet in the Indian Ocean, and have a party. :cool:

who's gonna bring the curry?:D . i think it's good for the series to bring a Uboat campaign to that region:ping: . it's something that's little explored, even possobly historically

[AVGWarhawk]

I guess I don't understand the "us vs. them" debate.


Nor do I! Now I have two threads to watch :damn: Perhaps it is just the passion of the sea and the souls that like sailing it! Now get to grid whatever and sink a vessel;)

[Chock]

So, we have confirmed that the US and European manuals are different, I don't understand why you want to be antagonistic about it, I'm just pointing out that it doesn't say something in my manual. Secure from General Quarters.

:D Chock

[Torplexed]

I guess I don't understand the "us vs. them" debate.
Me neither. I remember when back in my days of tank miniature simulations, there were certain players who weren't interested in playing anything but the Eastern Front. (British and American tanks weren't as cool as Tigers and T-34s tangling) and vice versa. I guess every community develops it's schisms.

[Ducimus]

I have to admit, on this debate, i have to take a good long look at the inside of myself to understand why i get antagonistic, i know i do it, and its not intentional. Normally with debates, i don't have an emotional attachment, but with SH4, i do. And i admit this.

I think its because, quite simply of nationlistic feeling, or some odd sense of patriotism. I mean, ive played uboats, for 3 years. I learned all about their history, but how now, heres a game that was about my country's history! I love my country with all heart and served my stint in the military like many before me, and here is a game about my own countries history. So i think when people put the game down, or slight the US sub service, i just get angry. It feels like an indirect insult. I know thats now how people intend it, but it feels that way none the less.

Ive often thought about this portion of history. Here was a theater when were were not the aggressors, here was a war where the cause was just, and what we had to do was clear. The other day i read this passage, and in my mind, it encapsuled what the PTO, and ultimatly SH4 is all about:


"The jack entered Pearl Harbor on May 21 1943- some sixteen months after the strike on Pearl Harbor. It was a solemn moment for all of us as we went past Ford Island and saw the place where our battle fleet had been destroyed. Work was still under way on some of the sunken battleships, and the mainmast of the Arizona was still serving as a coffin for the more then one thousand officers and sailors trapped in her, could be seen in the distance.

Looking at the actual scenes of this disaster, i felt as though something very sacred to my country has been raped and pillaged - not in the fair give-and-take of war, but without warning on a calm and peaceful sunday morning, while men slept in their bunks.

I do not consider myself a vengeful person, but that morning i felt a deep burning desire to show these people they could not do that to the United States without paying a dreadful price. To my young mind, the day those red-ball-marked planes winged in from the north was one that indeed would live in infamy and change the world forever"


And you know, it isn't so much that people want to add uboats to Sh4, its the enthusiam to do so. Its like people are so eager to cast aside what was truly a just cause and, drape it with the flag of the third reich. Thats what hurts the most.

[DeepIron]

I'm not trying to add "gas to the fire" here, but I also get the feeling from posts in the other thread that there were still aspects of the SH4 Pacific War that were lacking from SH4: Jap sub types, missing but "crucial" IJN and Merchant marine vessels, to name a couple of items. The PTO community felt a bit slighted that these issues were not being addressed in the add-on, but that the predominantly SH3 ATO community was being served...

[bigboywooly]

Remember the SH3 release was woefully short of ships too
C and T type units for every nation
The same armed trawler for everyone too and US fleet tug - which has made another appearance as 3 different units in SH4 with variations

I have no doubt in time ppl will add more units in SH4 other than some of the kitbashed and ported ships that are available now
All takes time to get right

Who knows what units Ubi will release in the addon - if any apart from the Scheer\Spee shown so far

RE the missing Jap sub types - agreed - with Ubi this time managing to sort out air drop torps it would ( hopefully ) have been easier to add AI subs with the capability of fire

Again no doubt will be sorted if not by Ubi then by others

[DeepIron]

If Ubi would release some of their tools for getting new assets into SH4, I would be in 7th heaven... and I think it would go a long way with both ATO/PTO communities. I know there are tools in development, but the idea of an "official, we used this tool" would be SO cool...;)

[bigboywooly]

If Ubi would release some of their tools for getting new assets into SH4, I would be in 7th heaven... and I think it would go a long way with both ATO/PTO communities. I know there are tools in development, but the idea of an "official, we used this tool" would be SO cool...;)

True to a certain extent
Still needs someone to actually make a 3d model first
I believe thats harder than the importing part

[DeepIron]

Still needs someone to actually make a 3d model first
I believe thats harder than the importing part

Depends on the modeler really. I'm sitting on a couple vessels for the PTO from this thread: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=111177
it would be so much simpler to add them if Ubi would release the tool(s)... :up:

[Friedmann]

And you know, it isn't so much that people want to add uboats to Sh4, its the enthusiam to do so. Its like people are so eager to cast aside what was truly a just cause and, drape it with the flag of the third reich. Thats what hurts the most.

You know, when modifications and addons cause this level of emotional turmoil perhaps its best to walk away from the keyboard and get some fresh air.

I mean seriously, its a game not a shrine.

Relax and have a Corona or something :cool:

[Fenris_Wolf]

True there haven't been many tributes to the American silent service lately except SH4. And it's a beautiful game, isn't it? Though, with all due acknowledgment and respect, almost every other game is a tribute to the US military if you come to think of it. That repetition gets a bit boring for some gaming enthusiasts like myself. Also, SH3 community and U-boat fans have the right to be entertained every once in a blue moon, too. No? :cry:

Playing a video game from the "other" side won't hurt/change you one bit either in my humble opinion. I get sad when people think SH3 players are not so politically positive, or the "us and them" bollocks. My personal set of ideas and values that I respect are not so weak that playing a video game from the enemy's side would affect them. Variety is the spice of life, remember! :sunny:

As for what other games? Please allow me to point out a few examples. US soldiers with M1 Garands, Tommy guns, M16's, UZI's. Games: medal of honor, company of heroes, call of duty, brothers in arms to name a few. American spies/commandos get their games: Splinter Cell (with patriotic stuff too), etc. American pilots get <insert popular air sim names here>.

Now, my friends, you have to realize that not every gamer (especially those well beyond and past the teens era) would love to fire the same old 5.56mm (weak caliber tbvh) modern rifle or the old M1 rifle/tommy gun in -every- other shooting game. Or fly a F-15/16/18/22 in every flight sim, or always be a spy who overcomes the security of some north african rural settlement. Or drive a submarine that rarely gets depth charged enough for you to break a sweat. That's how I see this matter and I'm glad UBI sees it that way, too.

However, I'm all for a Apache helicopter sim though, and it's been ages since I've played a good one.

[clayton]

I guess I don't understand the "us vs. them" debate.

I think i do. Although im not sure of myself on this subject anymore, it all gets muddled after awhile. I think the bottom line is that Sh4 was meant as a tribute to the US submarine service in the pacific theater. Or at least, that is the common perception. So The term "uboat" is like a slap in the face, because they always get all the hype and attention. So I think for many reasons, alot of people in the SH4 community are just tired of hearing about them.

Bingo!

[dcb]

I mean seriously, its a game not a shrine.

Relax and have a Corona or something :cool:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Absolutely right!:up:

[kiwi_2005]

Im looking forward to SH4 addon with Uboats have you seen the pictures of the boats? WOW! :D No SH3 graphics can beat the SH4 engine folks.....Good luck:lol:

Yet im guessing its going to be a free download? If not, im more than happy to pay $100 for the addon if so.

:rock:

[Jimbuna]

Im looking forward to SH4 addon with Uboats have you seen the pictures of the boats? WOW! :D No SH3 graphics can beat the SH4 engine folks.....Good luck:lol:

Yet im guessing its going to be a free download? If not, im more than happy to pay $100 for the addon if so.

:rock:

Shush!!.....someone might hear you :lol:

[Ducimus]

My guess is it will be a commercial product that you buy in addition to the orginal game. No developer makes "add on's" (IE, expansions) for free. Patch's are one thing (product support), but add ons are entirely different i would think.

[Fenris_Wolf]

Sorry for bumping an old thread but I had to express this concern of mine about the graphics of the new expansion. Perhaps it is possible to use Directx 10 or 10.1 for it's graphics? I just saw a comparison between DX9 and DX10 and I sure would like DX10 in my new games. :D

A Pic with DX9:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/767/767311/windows-vista-vs-xp-gaming-part-1-directx-10-20070223020137861.jpg

Same Pic with DX10:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/767/767311/windows-vista-vs-xp-gaming-part-1-directx-10-20070223020138924.jpg

PLEASE UBISOFT GIVE US DX10 IN THE NEW EXPANSION :arrgh!:

[Dowly]

Sorry for bumping an old thread but I had to express this concern of mine about the graphics of the new expansion. Perhaps it is possible to use Directx 10 or 10.1 for it's graphics? I just saw a comparison between DX9 and DX10 and I sure would like DX10 in my new games. :D

A Pic with DX9:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/767/767311/windows-vista-vs-xp-gaming-part-1-directx-10-20070223020137861.jpg

Same Pic with DX10:
http://pcmedia.ign.com/pc/image/article/767/767311/windows-vista-vs-xp-gaming-part-1-directx-10-20070223020138924.jpg

PLEASE UBISOFT GIVE US DX10 IN THE NEW EXPANSION :arrgh!:

IIRC, that second pic is an "photoshoppped" pic of how FSX COULD look like with DX10 and was made before the game was even released. :p What gives it away is the water, there's no repeating seen anywhere on the lake, that would require so big texture sizes that it would need some kazillion $ super rig to be able to play it. ;)

[Fenris_Wolf]

The website where I got the pics claims that it's scenery from Flight Simulator 10: Acceleration. A directx 10 title that has been released.

Give please! :rock: I don't care, just make it look that beautiful somehow :88)

[Dowly]

The website where I got the pics claims that it's scenery from Flight Simulator 10: Acceleration. A directx 10 title that has been released.

Give please! :rock: I don't care, just make it look that beautiful somehow :88)

;)

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/2006/222/reviews/931252_20060811_screen001.jpg

[Fenris_Wolf]

Well, you're right Dowly.

http://www.flightsimworld.com/gallery/albums/userpics/fsscr002%7E4.JPG

Maybe upgrading to Vista (and hardware upgrades) for the screenshot shown above is not worth the price then? I don't know.:shifty:

[Fenris_Wolf]

Some more screens :D Just for discussion's sake.

http://www.flightsimworld.com/gallery/albums/userpics/5t6455.JPG

http://www.flightsimworld.com/gallery/albums/userpics/FSX_rain_series1.jpg

http://www.flightsimworld.com/gallery/albums/userpics/FSX_missions_09_BL.jpg

[onelifecrisis]

Some more screens :D Just for discussion's sake.



http://www.flightsimworld.com/gallery/albums/userpics/FSX_rain_series1.jpg



:o

Nice!!

[ReallyDedPoet]

Modded SH4 water:


http://static1.filefront.com/images/personal/r/reflections/112772/luowlkovnf.thumb500.jpg

http://static1.filefront.com/images/personal/r/reflections/112772/nisxfwmvdj.thumb500.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y96/Cladean/SH4-SalmoninMoonlightlongshot.jpg

From the ROW Thread.


RDP

[bigboywooly]

Yeah no doubt the graphics are better
Actual gameplay isnt though

Yet

[ReallyDedPoet]

Gameplay is getting there, graphics are night and day now compared to stock. Put these two together and things look very promising going forward, be it 1.4, the add-on and future modding for both.


RDP

[Paajtor]

More about this expansion on Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/sim/silenthunterwolvesofthepacificuboatmissions/news.html?sid=6183021&tag=nl.e513).

http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/319/reviews/943866_20071116_screen003.jpg

[Kaleu_Mihoo]

Ober Kommando? Does it mean waiter's command? A nice teaser, isnt't it?