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SUBMAN1

11-01-07, 07:31 PM

The more I read, the more I see, the more I realize we got a major issue here. Don't even get me on welfare costs for them (about $1 billion back in 2001 for a state like Colorado, and now we have 4 million more of them, so its even way more now!) Anyway, looking to verify on more than one source, but here are some alarming statisitcs:

12 people will die today at the hands of illegal aliens due to violent crime

13 people will die today from an illegal alien drunk driving

That is 9125 Americans dead annually - dead due to illegals

In the last 6 years, 4 million more have crossed our borders illegally and settled here.

95% of all homicide warrants are issued for illegals aliens

2/3rds of outstanding homicide warrants are for illegals aliens (do the crime and split!)

8 American children a day are sexually abused by Illegal aliens

That is 2920 children per year whos lives are permantly ruined

There are almost a quarter million illegal aliens in this country that sexually abuse children, and they abuse 4 children on average each. That is 1 Million children.

I have one word - Ouch. Why are we putting up with this? And the news media harps on how many soldiers are dying in Iraq on any given day, saying 25 soldiers killed this month. Why are they not reporting on this when 775 Americans die at the hands of illegals in the same time period? Why are they reporting on that and not on the 248 children who become sex toys for illegals? Why?

Bring the friggen soldiers home and lets round up this problem already. Then they can go back to fixing Iraq.

-S

DeepIron

11-01-07, 07:45 PM

Pretty scary stuff isn't it? Well, if you thought that was scary, check out this site:
http://www.numbersusa.com/index

It's not just the illegal immigration issue, it's *much* more disturbing... This video really brings it home: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4094926727128068265&q=numbersusa&hl=en

it's 14 minutes long really worth the watching... The numbers don't lie...

elite_hunter_sh3

11-01-07, 08:18 PM

my job here just took a turning point , im very happy to hear that you are realizing a major problem :rock::rock::up::()1:

DeepIron

11-01-07, 09:14 PM

my job here just took a turning point , im very happy to hear that you are realizing a major problem... er.... ok.... I guess....???

Certainly the "uncontrolled immigration/illegal immigration" issues are major problems. However, the bigger problem is getting an unresponsive Federal Government to produce legislation to remedy it... :nope:

The best hope we have, IMO, is for the individual states to enact laws and deal with the problem at the state level, such as what Oklahoma has done. :up:

elite_hunter_sh3

11-01-07, 10:56 PM

the mayor of Oklahoma is a role model for what the rest of the major city majors should be :rock::rock:

Tchocky

11-02-07, 09:30 AM

SUBMAN - You make it look like the intent of every illegal is to come into the US and murder honest citizens and rape their children.

Source on those stats?

SUBMAN1

11-02-07, 09:50 AM

SUBMAN - You make it look like the intent of every illegal is to come into the US and murder honest citizens and rape their children.

Source on those stats?No - read again - 1/4 million - just because they are in my country. The others are responsible for other problems in my country. The point is - it is rediculous.

-S

SUBMAN1

11-02-07, 09:52 AM

my job here just took a turning point , im very happy to hear that you are realizing a major problem :rock::rock::up::()1:No, long before you I knew there was a problem. The difference between me and you is I have no problem with Mexicans or other aliens coming to my country under normal channels through the INS, where you do. I do have a problem of them coming across the border illegally, and bankrupting my country through free welfare and free medical and killing my neighbors!

-S

Tchocky

11-02-07, 10:02 AM

46 people died every day of 2005 from drunk driving in the US.

300 million Americans to 12 million aliens. That's 25 for every illegal.
One would think that 1/25th of all drunk driving deaths would be due to illegal aliens (perhaps less, seeing as how they would have a harder time of it, if stopped by police)
But you're saying that it's between 1/4 and 1/3 of all deaths.

Source?

DeepIron

11-02-07, 10:07 AM

@Tchocky, here, let's put some faces on *some* of the crimes perpetrated by illegal aliens in the US: http://www.immigrationshumancost.org/text/crimevictims.html

Every day that I'm home off the road, I read through the local paper and catch up on what's been going on while I've been away. The "Police Blotter" section always has far more latino names than "Smith or Jones".

Are they *all* illegals? Not necessarily... But he disturbing aspect for me is that crimes committed by the latino community far surpass those of other nationalities. Ie; we have a substantial number of Bosnians here and I rarely, if ever, hear or read of any law-breaking issues with that segment of our society. Why is that do you think?

I do have a problem of them coming across the border illegally, and bankrupting my country through free welfare and free medical and killing my neighbors!

Absolutely. And frankly, I'd like to see every illegal in the country rounded up and their sorry butts deported right back to where they came from...

They can start the process right here where I live...

SUBMAN1

11-02-07, 10:08 AM

SUBMAN1

11-02-07, 10:17 AM

Here is an article where they kill the 12 Americans:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53103

I'm googling this by the way, so you can too! It is easy - try it.

It has your 13 AMericans killed by drunk driving Illegals in there too.

The article is from today even.

-S

Tchocky

11-02-07, 10:18 AM

I'm googling, but mostly single-issue blogs and unsourced comments are coming up.

That 95% homicide warrant part - Looks to be rubbish

http://www.penraker.com/archives/008998.html

This is not the first time Mac Donald has played fast and loose with her facts. In an article she wrote in 2004 for City Journal, “The Illegal Alien Crime Wave (http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html),” Mac Donald asserted, “In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.” The problem is, the statistic is entirely bogus — and worse it has become one of the most ubiquitous factoids used in the debate on immigration, cited in congressional testimony, repeated ad nauseum on cable news and talk radio, and has even been picked up by some otherwise sensible voices in the immigration debate. The Los Angeles Police Department does not gather information on the legal status of those arrested, much less on people — those who have outstanding warrants — that by definition they can’t find, which I confirmed in repeated conversations with the LAPD public-information office. Moreover, in 2004, the year Mac Donald wrote the piece, there were a total of 518 homicides in L.A. Now unless every murder was committed by at least three illegal aliens, none of whom was ever apprehended, Mac Donald’s 1,200-1,500 figure should have leaped out at her as obviously problematic — the 95-percent claim alone should have set off warning bells. I contacted her after Snopes.com, the Los Angeles Times, and others had debunked her assertion. She told me “The LAPD fugitive warrants section gave me that figure.” When I asked her how she explained the 1,200-1,500 figure when there were only 518 homicides in 2004, she said, “As you know, warrants are cumulative; they do not derive only from the current year. Outstanding warrants are not the same as the murder rate.” But she did not add that qualifier to her original statement — and, besides, it wouldn’t much matter if she had since the information on illegal aliens who are the subject of warrants simply isn’t available no matter what her source in the LAPD told her.

EDIT
Yeah, I found Steve King's report.
King has cited an April 2005 GAO report [8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_King#_note-7) as the source of the statistics in his editorial, but close examination of the numbers in that report do not support King's statements. King said that 28% of all inmates at each level of the US prison system (federal, state, and local) were illegal aliens. In fact, the GAO report said only that 27% of federal prisoners were "criminal aliens," a category including both legal and illegal aliens. The GAO report has no illegal alien percentage figures for state prisons and local jails, which together have 92 percent of US prisoners. It does, however, discuss State Criminal Alien Assistance Program (SCAAP) inmate compensation numbers, which (when compared with total prisoner censuses in other government reports) show that only about four percent of state prisoners and 3.5 percent of local prisoners were illegal aliens. Those figures demonstrate that the supposed daily totals from King's editorial exaggerate the real numbers by seven times or more. That's just from wiki, I already don't like the look of this guy.

Zayphod

11-02-07, 10:18 AM

the mayor of Oklahoma is a role model for what the rest of the major city majors should be :rock::rock:

Damn straight. He was on Lou Dobbs last night, right? Went head-to-head with some guy saying that everyone is against Latinos, which is just a smokescreen.

No one is against "Latinos". We're against ILLEGALS. Love the way they always try to make it look like anyone enforcing laws is a BAD PERSON for doing so.

"We are here illegally, yes, but we are now in the millions, so by default, you have to give us rights, so there." :o

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

They love the jobs, don't pay taxes, use Social Security, public assistance money meant to assist US CITIZENS is used for THEIR benefit without their first putting money INTO the system, etc. I believe the correct definition for something like that is a leach. Leaches are best removed from the body, as they serve little, if any, useful function.

DeepIron

11-02-07, 10:24 AM

SUBMAN1

11-02-07, 10:27 AM

5 out of 10 on the FBIs Most Wantd List are Latinos:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htm

C'mon, the writing is on the wall here... When you open the flood gates, the rubbish floats in with the rest of the water...I questioned the 95% warrant thing myself, but regardless, you are right - it really doesn't matter. We have not a minor problem, but a major one and it is out of control - the flood gates are open.

-S

bradclark1

11-02-07, 11:02 AM

After all is said and done. Cut down on illegals equals cutting down on crime. Thats enough reason. A difference of percentage points doesn't matter.

Tchocky

11-02-07, 11:14 AM

Cut down on illegals equals cutting down on crime. Thats enough reason. A difference of percentage points doesn't matter. I'd argue that cutting down on illegal immigration is not the most efficient way to cut crime, and reasoning that they are equal is rather absurd.

Also, I'd question an argument that uses misleading and abused statistics. It doesn't lend credence to the proposition.

5 out of 10 on the FBIs Most Wantd List are Latinos:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fug.../fugitives.htm (http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/fugitives.htm) Since when does Latino = illegal? Also, one of those Latinos is from New York, another is a Colombian citizen wanted for activities in Colombia.

elite_hunter_sh3

11-02-07, 11:19 AM

SUBMAN1

11-02-07, 11:22 AM

I'd argue that cutting down on illegal immigration is not the most efficient way to cut crime, and reasoning that they are equal is rather absurd.

Also, I'd question an argument that uses misleading and abused statistics. It doesn't lend credence to the proposition.

Since when does Latino = illegal? Also, one of those Latinos is from New York, another is a Colombian citizen wanted for activities in Colombia.
Must be easy to say that from across the sea there, but I still don't get how you can't draw a coloration between the two. Ahh - illegals = major crime problems. Removing illegals = no more crime, and 9125 Americans who will not be killed.

Are you just mentally challenged? They account for an abnormal amount of crime per population capita, so what is there not to get?

-S

PS. When the FBI says someone is from New York, that means that is where they are residing. This is not telling what their immigration status is. 99% chance he is an illegal.

DeepIron

11-02-07, 11:27 AM

Since when does Latino = illegal? I didn't say that. I said 5 out of 10 on the list were latinos, a statement of fact. Your "logic" sounds very close to the rhetoric used by legal and illegal latinos in this country to justify the *illegal* immigration of their countrymen...
Also, one of those Latinos is from New York, another is a Colombian citizen wanted for activities in Colombia. So, New York isn't part of the US? And the Columbian is wanted for criminal activities against the US. So is bin Laden for that matter...

The math is simple, fewer Latinos, illegal or otherwise, means less crime from the latino sector. You can apply this logic using any other ethnic/socio-political/religious group you want. It just so happens that we have more of a problem with latinos right now...

As I suspect that you don't live in the US, I would find it hard to believe that you have the same perspective as those of us who do...

Last year, two people that I know personally, in my little agricultural community of 3100 were literally run over by an illegal in a truck while they were riding their bicycles on a side street. Both lived thankfully, but are now physically handicapped for life.

The illegal? Well, seeing as they lived, he'll do some time, at my expense as a taxpayer, in prison then be sent back across the border... I'm sure he'll be back...

Tchocky

11-02-07, 11:42 AM

Removing illegals = no more crime Are you just mentally challenged? If you want to cut down on crime, removing illegal immigrants is not the most efficient way to do this.
I'm not refusing to draw a correlation, I was reacting to brad's point that the two are equal.
Both are issues of law enforcement, but tackling crime via immigration law seems to be a very inefficient and roundabout way to do so.
I'm sure that illegal immigrants accounts for more than their capita share of crime in the US, that is in the nature of illegality. But I distrust manipulated stats and fear-mongering language, that's all.

PS. When the FBI says someone is from New York, that means that is where they are residing. This is not telling what their immigration status is. 99% chance he is an illegal. You could go with this 99% chance.
Or you could find out.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/gerena.htm

Since when does Latino = illegal? I didn't say that. I said 5 out of 10 on the list were latinos, a statement of fact. And you then folllowed it up with a direct reference to illegal immigration. I was making the point that the connection you were making is not as strong as it seems.

DeepIron

11-02-07, 12:01 PM

Don't confuse the two issues. We have an illegal immigration problem in the US. The larger portion of our illegals are Mexican/Latinos/La Raza/whatever. We have also had an increase in crime perpetrated by Mexicans/Latinos/La Raza/whatever as a separate issue.

If we can successfully control the huge numbers of both legal and illegal immigrants into this country, then it stands to reason that we should also be able to effect a change in the crime rate attributed to this particular ethnic group.

waste gate

11-02-07, 12:12 PM

If one is an illegal immigrant by definition one is a criminal.

SUBMAN1

11-02-07, 12:18 PM

Crime is simply one issue, since all illegal aliens are just that - illegal and already committing a crime.

Our health care is the other issue. I pay huge insurance premiums monthly because we have to pay for the uninsured that go into our emergency rooms - Illegals get treated free there at the expense of my own personal pocket! When I hardly use the doctor at all no less! This irks me terribly. :down:

Next is, I am again paying for them out of pocket - in TAXES!!!!. They are constantly raising taxes on me, providing for welfare programs for illegals. My fathers daycare is an example - they get that state funded while they go out and party all day. They do not want to work, and want to pump out babies constantly, because th emore kids you have, the more welfare you get! The men go out and work under the table, paying non of these taxes, and taking away from taxes a normal American would pay!!! In 2001, Colorado paid over $1 Billion for welfare for illegals alone, and they are not even on the border with Mexico!!! They are much farther north! What does AZ pay? Must be crazy! Now with 4 million more - (Is that 50% more of them?) what do they pay in 2007???? Crazy.

My country cannot support them. You guys acorss the pond may think us Americans are limitless when it comes to case, but I will be the first to tell you, we have major limits! This problem is greater than our National debt problem, since it will prevent us from getting out of debt in the first place!

Guesstimate what they cost the US, and I bet you are looking at 1/3rd to 1/2 a Trillion $$$ a year to support them if you factor in medical, unpaid taxes, welfare and various other programs, crime, policing, court costs, INS costs, jail, deportation, the list is endless.

The real question is not if we can afford to deport them, but how can we NOT AFFORD to deport them?

If that doesn't get you, 9,125 Americans this year should speak to you from their graves, and you can ask them what they think.

-S

PS. I forgot to mention that all school budget increases were due to Illegals. They are even setting up spanish speaking classes only now in public schools in WA and OR. Come Tuesday, I'm voting down all school levies for this reason alone.

Zayphod

11-02-07, 12:33 PM

it doesnt matter, there are over 34 million illegal immigrants in the US.. doesnt the word ILLEGAL come into mind?? they are breaking the law, and immigrants in the US who break the law get DEPORTED, kick every single illegal immigrant, round them up like sheep, then put them on a few planes of busses, send em back to mexico, tell them to fix their country before they decide to screw up the U.S:damn::damn::nope:

Agreed. I'm not against immigrants. I'm against ILLEGAL immigrants. I couldn't care less what country they're from.

They claim they have this right and that right.

The only right they have is a ride back home to their country. Period. I hate sounding like a right winger and all that, but this is a subject I feel very strongly about (and I'm a lot more liberal than most people give me credit for, too).

Zayphod

11-02-07, 12:37 PM

Crime is simply one issue, since all illegal aliens are just that - illegal and already committing a crime.

PS. I forgot to mention that all school budget increases were due to Illegals. They are even setting up spanish speaking classes only now in public schools in WA and OR. Come Tuesday, I'm voting down all school levies for this reason alone.

Amen to both points. I'd love to have all the phone systems start off:

"Push 1 for English. Push 2 to hang up until you learn English."

Next, we'll have to have them all learn Welsh (well, there might be a few of them here, and we have to acccomodate everyone, right???).

DeepIron

11-02-07, 12:39 PM

The real question is not if we can afford to deport them, but how can we NOT AFFORD to deport them? Well put! Add to the $$$ list SM1 has noted the following items: an out of control war in Iraq, a scorched SoCal, our continued support of numerous Foreign Aid programs, Welfare, and Federal Aid to the areas of the US that are being considered as "natural disaster" areas (northern Georgia comes to mind) and you know what?

We're going broke! Pure and simple. The US cannot continue to support the fiscal programs it has, let alone the additional fiscal burden of illegal immigrants!

The argument that "they do jobs Americans won't" is totally bogus! Get welfare families off their collective butts and put them to work!

"Push 1 for English. Push 2 to hang up until you learn English." I'm 50 and I'm having to learn Spanish so I can communicate with the Latinos in SoCal where I deliver... Consider it for a moment and let the implication settle in. Americans are being *forced* to adopt a foreign language in their own country.

SUBMAN1

11-02-07, 12:55 PM

...The argument that "they do jobs Americans won't" is totally bogus! Get welfare families off their collective butts and put them to work!...

I never bought that argument. Before they were in the country, Before the first illegal stepped into this country, Americans did the job. Now they do the job for a buck cheaper - so what? Pay an extra buck the the American, and he will again do the job. That's the biggest cop out the illegals have come up with.

I'm beginning to wonder if they are smarter than our collective population? How can the normal person stand there an buy that argument?

-S

DeepIron

11-02-07, 01:08 PM

I'm beginning to wonder if they are smarter than our collective population? How can the normal person stand there an buy that argument? I attribute it to being "politically euthanized"... We have been taught that our Federal Government is here to serve us, the citizenry. When, in actuality, the Fed serves only those who have the $$$ to influence it. Joe Average American is like the humans in the Matrix, only instead of electricity, we provide $$$. That's it.

We expect our elected officials to be on the ball and understand the social/fiscal issues that effect as a nation... guess not. I have nothing but contempt for the four-flushers who "rule" this nation because they consistently demonstrate a lack of common sense. You don't have to be brilliant to see where some of our problems are leading us...

The other thing is that Americans have been lied to for so long, by so many politicos, it's now second nature to not care and just accept things at face value... We no longer believe we can influence the political course of our country anymore. It's safer to watch "Dancing with the Stars" than to watch a political debate and actually take a stance on issues that would shape our, and our kids/grandkids futures.

The "All About Me" generation is coming home with a vengence...

Zayphod

11-02-07, 01:09 PM

I'm beginning to wonder if they are smarter than our collective population? How can the normal person stand there an buy that argument?
-S

"Tell any lie loud enough and long enough and eventually it will be accepted as truth."

SUBMAN1

11-02-07, 02:44 PM

Check this action center. Easily send a fax to your Congress people about your dislike for what is going on:

http://www.numbersusa.com/faxcenter

It is time to speak up about this nonsense. I've sent 3 faxes already.

-S

STEED

11-02-07, 02:48 PM

DeepIron

11-02-07, 03:03 PM

STEED

11-02-07, 03:19 PM

I hope your Representatives listen because I know our lot don't.
Well, that's really it, isn't it? Our elected officials are totally out of touch with the rest of the populace... Considering that emails, letters, faxes, etc have to go through their "staff", who knows what happens to these communications? Some office staffer who would be better suitd to serving in the fast food industry simply *deletes* your concern because he/she knows "the boss" doesn't want to hear about it...

They got so many stock answer letters I lost count, when you see them they sit there nodding there head and saying I shall look in to it. When you look at them there thinking shut up you moaning git I don't get paid enough to listen to your guff I'm running late for lunch at a swanky restaurant.

SUBMAN1

11-02-07, 03:21 PM

I hope your Representatives listen because I know our lot don't. Well, that's really it, isn't it? Our elected officials are totally out of touch with the rest of the populace... Considering that emails, letters, faxes, etc have to go through their "staff", who knows what happens to these communications? Some office staffer who would be better suitd to serving in the fast food industry simply *deletes* your concern because he/she knows "the boss" doesn't want to hear about it...I've got actual signed letters by my representatives before, but they are generic, that is for sure. They do spell out exactly where they stand however on a particular issue, so they are still informative.

-S

DeepIron

11-02-07, 03:29 PM

When it comes to anything "political", I'm getting to be too cynical...

(Whoa! That rhymes too!) LOL...;)

Tchocky

11-02-07, 03:31 PM

If officials personally answered every single piece of mail, we'd be complaining that they're not getting anything done.

Course, they don't need an excuse every time

headcase

11-03-07, 02:53 AM

After all is said and done. Cut down on illegals equals cutting down on crime. Thats enough reason. A difference of percentage points doesn't matter.

And here I thought education and employment did that. And by the way check out when the majority of immigration core policy was written. It's a different world.

bradclark1

11-03-07, 11:31 AM

And here I thought education and employment did that. And by the way check out when the majority of immigration core policy was written. It's a different world.
Educate and employ illegals? I would say thats part of being a legal citizen, but we educate, give health care and employ illegals already.