Skinhead and Other White Supremacist Gangs

[SUBMAN1]

An interesting read.


-S

http://www.policemag.com/Channels/Gangs/2007/07/13/Skinhead-and-Other-White-Supremacist-Gangs.aspx

Skinhead and Other White Supremacist Gangs

Understanding the markings and motivations of white supremacist gangs.

July 13, 2007
When I make any gang presentation I usually set the fundamentals down first. After giving the definition of a criminal gang, the question most asked is, How do gangs begin?


White supremacist gangs began with young people who perceived themselves as outsiders suffering from injustice, just like every gang.


No gang began because a group of well adjusted teens were attempting to conquer the underground world to become "Godfathers." The birth of most gangs is a subtle shift from natural small group formations, to defensive groups, to pack mentality predators. But the beginnings are always the same.


"The breeding ground for all gangs begins with an excluded group who feels victimized by poverty, the establishment, or some other real or imagined injustice. It is fed by an anti-establishment culture of drugs, crime, hate, and racial separatism." This applies to the long established African American and Hispanic gangs and the newer groups like the "Trench Coat Mafia" of Columbine. It also applies to the non-traditional or alternative gangs like Skinheads.


For the 1,000 white gang members in the 20 white Los Angeles gangs and the over 40,000 white prisoners in the California prison system, no one group is more excluded by the system than whites. They strongly feel that the government—that their white forefathers established, fought, and died for—today gives preferential treatment to minorities and illegal aliens. The system seems to tolerate Black, Hispanic, Asian, and Native American racists and radicals but loves to hate the Whites and especially the Nazis. Listen to the rhetoric and emotion so well depicted in the movie "American History X" and you'll get a feel for these groups' beliefs.


The same feelings spawned the Punk and Skinhead movements in England in the 1960s. They were a rebellion against the proper British establishment and designed to shock and offend the older generation. They were a rejection of corporate mass produced music. Groups of white blue collar youths formed in opposition to the influx of immigrants into the old neighborhoods. The "Mods" fought with Jamaican "Rude Boys" at scooter (motorcycle) rallies and football (soccer) games.


These early forefathers of the Skinheads often spoke out against drugs. They blamed the minorities for spreading drugs in their neighborhoods. They hung out at pubs and drank beer and beat up Gays and Asians. They listened to Ska and Reggae rhymes mixed with Punk and Alternative music. Musical writer Gary Bushell coined "Oi" as the name of this music style. In the early 1970s Skinheads shaved their heads, wore swastikas, and separated from their Punk brothers. After all, what could offend and shock the older English generation more than their identification with the hated Nazis?


In the early 1970s the author of "In the Heat of the Night," John Ball, rode with me in my East L.A. gang unit. He said he was there to study and write about ELA gangs. He told me that he had recently returned from England where he had ridden with Scotland Yard and other British cops who were involved in combating Punk and Skinhead gangs. They had told him that the English gangs were imitating our Los Angeles gangs.


Like other Los Angeles gangs, Skinhead gangs cannot be lumped together in one homogenous style. SHARP Skinheads are "Skin Heads Against Racial Prejudice." They claim to be more of what those early English Skins were about. "Unity" is their logo and it can often be seen on their clothing or tattooed on their bodies along with the crossed out swastikas. But Sharps believe in the use of violence to settle disputes, drink lots of beer, and listen to the same Oi bands, although they may have mixed racial band members. Sharps traditionally war with the Nazi Skinheads.

Straightedge Skins are another form of Skinheads. Straights look like other Skins but do not advocate the use of alcohol, drugs, premarital sex, hate, or violence.


However, they sometimes also beat up Nazi Skinheads. They often are identified by their use of the letter "X" on their person or clothing. This was originally a symbol marked prominently on the back of the right hand so the bartenders at clubs and raves would not serve alcohol to minors with this mark. It became the Straight Edge identity card. The more "X's the more extreme the Straightedger. "XXX" is the most extreme Straightedge Skinhead; very often this type of Skin is also a Vegan. They do not eat or utilize animals or animal products. These are the Skinheads who might be involved in bombing a McDonald's restaurant or the animal lab at the local university.


Most intimidating to most Americans are the Nazi Skinheads. Nazi Skins are the white backlash predicted by civil rights workers of the mid-sixties. Dressed in their Doc Martin Boots, plaid shirts, and work pants with matching suspenders (braces) and boot laces, they are a growing problem. White braces and laces mean white power.


Yellow are for Sharps, and red for hardcore violent skinheads. Green laces and braces are for support of the Aryan Brotherhood. In the violent mix of the Mosh Pit they draw everyone's attention with their "Heil Hitler" salutes. They cover their bodies with Nazi and White Power tattoos. They have numerous Websites on the Internet, spreading their propaganda over cyber space.


Nazi Skinheads have formed alliances with the KKK, some Punk groups, European Nazis, and other white supremacists. Although official government sources continue to deny it, they are a real problem in all branches of the military. Remember, Navy Commander George Lincoln Rockwell founded the American Nazi Party and decorated Army Gulf War veteran Timothy McVeigh bombed the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. In January of 2004, the infamous Tom Metzger addressed the Skinheads gathered at the Phoenix Volksfront. "Don't operate like a battleship!" he shouted. "Operate like a Nazi submarine! Use your periscope! We have to infiltrate! Infiltrate the military! Infiltrate your local governments! Infiltrate your school board! Infiltrate law enforcement!"

When these white Skinheads and Punk gang members go to jail they fall under the authority of the prison gangs. These white kids are protected from the predatory minority prison gangs and security threat groups by members of the Nazi Lowriders (NLR) and the Aryan Brotherhood (AB or Brand). The AB and NLR recruit and brainwash these gang members to utilize them to continue their prison race wars and the control of narcotics trafficking inside and outside of prison. However, very often the whites kill other whites. The real motivation of these groups in prison is not white supremacist ideology but financial profit and power through terrorism.


As a representative of the system that places them below the latest illegal immigrant, you are seen as the enemy. Their grievances have been ignored and their way of life threatened. There is a lot of angry young white kids out there tapping into the hate music and hate Websites and forming into self protection groups. Their "right back at you" attitude and willingness to fight for what they think is right can be dangerous. This is a prescription for further gang proliferation and increased violence.


When you see a Skinhead drop his braces off his shoulders, no matter what color those braces and laces are, he is telling you he is going to war. Don't get caught unprepared.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

right:roll:.... but tell me one thing, why is it for every 1 white guy in jail there are 3-5 blacks or mexicans??? :hmm: by the looks of it blacks are more prone to violence and more prone to uncontrollable rage.... maybe thats why africa is so undeveloped.. they are stuck 1000 years behind the rest of the world :roll:

im surprised automatically you associate white nationalists with white supremacists, i believe you are being racist agaisnt white people, but these days its cool to be racist agaisnt whites right??? :roll::roll:

[The WosMan]

I notice the reference to Timothy McVeigh. I wish they hadn't been so quick to execute him mainly because I believe there was more to the story than what he and the Feds had shared with us at the time. Once they waterboarded or tortured the crap out of him then they should have killed him.

I don't believe that it was an inside job of one man who was a US citizen. There is evidence floating around that he was tied in with an Iraqi terrorist and there were some Al Qaeda things going on as well. I wouldn't be surprised if these nutjobs racists allied themselves with terrorist groups and are waiting in sleeper cells. Sounds like a strange alliance but the IRA has been known to send support to the Palestinians so you never know.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

I notice the reference to Timothy McVeigh. I wish they hadn't been so quick to execute him mainly because I believe there was more to the story than what he and the Feds had shared with us at the time. Once they waterboarded or tortured the crap out of him then they should have killed him.

I don't believe that it was an inside job of one man who was a US citizen. There is evidence floating around that he was tied in with an Iraqi terrorist and there were some Al Qaeda things going on as well. I wouldn't be surprised if these nutjobs racists allied themselves with terrorist groups and are waiting in sleeper cells. Sounds like a strange alliance but the IRA has been known to send support to the Palestinians so you never know.

are you saying palestinians are terrorists????

[SUBMAN1]

right:roll:.... but tell me one thing, why is it for every 1 white guy in jail there are 3-5 blacks or mexicans??? :hmm: by the looks of it blacks are more prone to violence and more prone to uncontrollable rage.... maybe thats why africa is so undeveloped.. they are stuck 1000 years behind the rest of the world :roll:

im surprised automatically you associate white nationalists with white supremacists, i believe you are being racist agaisnt white people, but these days its cool to be racist agaisnt whites right??? :roll::roll:Actually I posted it both for it's knowledge for other people here and for your benefit, so that you can see what you will become is no better than that you despise! There is still some hope for you however.

-S

[elite_hunter_sh3]

what i despise letting in illegal immigrants steal my neighbors jobs and my jobs, watching as blacks bring gangs drugs, shootings , murders violence while the police do nothing???

what you posted was racist agaisnt me and my heritage, hell what you posted is racist agaisnt any white person, automatically you brand me as a crazy terrorist who wants to nothing but kill kill kill... :roll:

what i WANT, is simple, illegal immigrants out, no wars for israel (ie iraq and soon to be iran :roll::nope:) , stop sending BILLIONS of $ in "aid" to israel even though they have a strong economy, use that money to fix whats left of the us economy, maybe you should think about fixing your own country first before going around the world to "fix" other countries... in their eyes the US is no worse then nazi germany or the USSR...

[The WosMan]

right:roll:.... but tell me one thing, why is it for every 1 white guy in jail there are 3-5 blacks or mexicans??? :hmm: by the looks of it blacks are more prone to violence and more prone to uncontrollable rage.... maybe thats why africa is so undeveloped.. they are stuck 1000 years behind the rest of the world :roll:

im surprised automatically you associate white nationalists with white supremacists, i believe you are being racist agaisnt white people, but these days its cool to be racist agaisnt whites right??? :roll::roll:Actually I posted it both for it's knowledge for other people here and for your benefit, so that you can see what you will become is no better than that you despise! There is still some hope for you however.

-S

Yes. Nothing ticks me off more than watching that lockdown show on MSNBC and all these white guys in jail running around with swastikas and other stupid things tattooed on their bodies or the other gangs calling the system racist because they were locked up because their skin was darker than someone elses. You are in that jail because you broke the law and you deserve to be there. I have a very low tolerance for criminals in general having friends and family in law enforcement. I can tell you that most of these scumbags in prison aren't worth the tax dollars we are shucking out to keep them in there. They are twisted, sick individuals who often are repeat offenders. I should have my one friend who is a probation officer sign up here and he can share his daily stories of drug addicts, DUI alchies, wife beaters, shop lifters, married men who go to the park bathrooms to fruit other guys, and other dummies. His stories will make you laugh but then they will also piss you off at the human race.

[baggygreen]

are you saying palestinians are terrorists???? I think he is getting more at the fact that there are palestinian terror networks which the IRA has supported.

Theres no need to instantly get so defensive.. there are bad people in every nation and for example, you dont see the poms getting up in arms any time someone says the july train bombings were caused by homegrown terrorists - because they think for a microsecond and see that yes, its true.

Back onto the topic, I've read that there are more and more neonazis in Germany these days, maybe skybird can let us know a german perspective on it - is it a reaction to the increasing influence of islam throughout Europe?

[elite_hunter_sh3]

are you saying palestinians are terrorists???? I think he is getting more at the fact that there are palestinian terror networks which the IRA has supported.

Theres no need to instantly get so defensive.. there are bad people in every nation and for example, you dont see the poms getting up in arms any time someone says the july train bombings were caused by homegrown terrorists - because they think for a microsecond and see that yes, its true.

Back onto the topic, I've read that there are more and more neonazis in Germany these days, maybe skybird can let us know a german perspective on it - is it a reaction to the increasing influence of islam throughout Europe?
i will definetly say YES!!!! :up: on the dot.

edit : and more jewish too, now governments are becoming paranoid, if you do the roman salute in germany you go to prison for up to 2 years,
and surprisngly enough more white germans are EMMIGRATING from Germany...:dead::roll:

http://www.teachertube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=77b16a03aa81f09499f2

[baggygreen]

what i despise letting in illegal immigrants steal my neighbors jobs and my jobs, watching as blacks bring gangs drugs, shootings , murders violence while the police do nothing???

what you posted was racist agaisnt me and my heritage, hell what you posted is racist agaisnt any white person, automatically you brand me as a crazy terrorist who wants to nothing but kill kill kill... :roll:

what i WANT, is simple, illegal immigrants out, no wars for israel (ie iraq and soon to be iran :roll::nope:) , stop sending BILLIONS of $ in "aid" to israel even though they have a strong economy, use that money to fix whats left of the us economy, maybe you should think about fixing your own country first before going around the world to "fix" other countries... in their eyes the US is no worse then nazi germany or the USSR... Elite, you confuse me. From your posts over the past 6 or 9 months I thought you were originally from the balkans, moved to canada. but you have previously called the palestinians your brothers (are you palestinian then?) and you complain about 'foreigners' taking your jobs in the US.

Maybe i'm imagining it all and you've spelled it out before, but im really confused, and i doubt im the only one - could you enlighten us some? Maybe in PM, so as not to hijack any more

[bigboywooly]

The same feelings spawned the Punk and Skinhead movements in England in the 1960s. They were a rebellion against the proper British establishment and designed to shock and offend the older generation. They were a rejection of corporate mass produced music. Groups of white blue collar youths formed in opposition to the influx of immigrants into the old neighborhoods. The "Mods" fought with Jamaican "Rude Boys" at scooter (motorcycle) rallies and football (soccer) games.

Not stricly true
Punk was a 70s thing

Rude boys werent all Jamaican either - was the style of music as much as ethnic background
Plenty of white " Rude boys "

And they all fought each other
lol
Skins\Mods\Rockers and Rude boys

[joea]

what i despise letting in illegal immigrants steal my neighbors jobs and my jobs, watching as blacks bring gangs drugs, shootings , murders violence while the police do nothing???

what you posted was racist agaisnt me and my heritage, hell what you posted is racist agaisnt any white person, automatically you brand me as a crazy terrorist who wants to nothing but kill kill kill... :roll:

what i WANT, is simple, illegal immigrants out, no wars for israel (ie iraq and soon to be iran :roll::nope:) , stop sending BILLIONS of $ in "aid" to israel even though they have a strong economy, use that money to fix whats left of the us economy, maybe you should think about fixing your own country first before going around the world to "fix" other countries... in their eyes the US is no worse then nazi germany or the USSR... Elite, you confuse me. From your posts over the past 6 or 9 months I thought you were originally from the balkans, moved to canada. but you have previously called the palestinians your brothers (are you palestinian then?) and you complain about 'foreigners' taking your jobs in the US.

Maybe i'm imagining it all and you've spelled it out before, but im really confused, and i doubt im the only one - could you enlighten us some? Maybe in PM, so as not to hijack any more

So am I, I mean I understood you (elite_hunter_sh3) were of Serbian origin, and someone in your family (Dad??) was working for the state...you would defend the communist system, and now you are sympathising with people who deny what happened in Yugoslavia 60 years ago, if not approve??

[elite_hunter_sh3]

deny??? :doh: , no i now know socialism in theory is good, but in RL it will never work, capitalism forces people to be competitive, because of higher paying jobs vs lower paying jobs, thats why people want to go university, to get a good job..therefore if a countries population want to get good jobs they go to school, thus they compete and overall the population gets smarter, more civilized, less crime stronger economy which = more jobs...

socialism jus basically says "we are government, we take care of everything, everyone gets same pay, you go work" that basically makes you think " well if everyones getting same amount as me, why do i have to work, government pays all taxes and covers health /education already..."

[P_Funk]

I remember reading a similar essay about the source of South-Central LA gangs, and that story goes all the way back to WW2. What this guy says about them being a group that feel marginalized is the same as with the LA gangs. Interestingly enough it goes that lots of blacks moved to LA for jobs during the the war in the 40s. They were forced to live in very carefully secluded neighbourhoods in the South-East. The best part is that the first 'gang' of the WW2 era was actually a white gang that went into the black neighbourhoods to beat up and keep in check the blacks. Obviously here the marginalization felt was having all these blacks around. The first black gang was a response to them. Eventually the white people of south-west LA moved away and the blacks moved in there too. So it wasn't always south-central but when it became that the gangs turned into an interblack thing as opposed to a fight with the white people of the area. This generation of gangs died out with the Watts riots in the 60s, but after the collapse of the Black panther party in the 70s the marginalization was felt again and a group of kids got together to emulate the BPs. Well they weren't smart or mature enough and just went violent. These guys became known as the Crips. The Bloods were a consolidation of many gangs as a self-defense movement against the Crips.

All very messy. But yea gangs are a fascinating social study. I'll find the article and link it if you guys like.

[AVGWarhawk]

These threads on this matter seem to be a once a week round table discussion. Perhaps one day there will a be a conclusion. Please keep it nice!

Sincerely,

AVGWarhawk

[Officerpuppy]

...maybe thats why africa is so undeveloped.. they are stuck 1000 years behind the rest of the world...

The book, Guns, Germs and Steel by Jared Diamond speaks over that matter quite well, excluding the slave trade, enviromental factors such as lack of certain trees,climiate, even horses which are taken for granted now a days and general beasts of burden can affect the development of whole regions.:know:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

[August]

I hate nazis...

[Kongo Otto]

@elite_hunter_sh3
White supremacy?
Arian Nation?
Arian Nation in the USA?
Won´t work pal,because the only race which has the right to be called
"Arian" is the Nordic Race like Germans,Swedish etc.
But not you US Guys overthere,which never got the real meaning of
National Socialism.
You are just uneducated retards,which are poison for our political movement.
Sooner or later we get rid of you,like we did with the SA.
I am Nazi and i am proud of it,i am not a Skinhead,i dont want discuss this publicly.Anybody can PM me if he/her wants and i will answer questions if you have them.
Its my religion.
Real National Socialists are like me,iam a honored Member of my Community.I have a very well paid job.
People treat me with respect.Even Members of the Sozial Democratic Party of Germany discuss with me.
We do volunteer jobs for the old and other stuff,we do all that what the so called "Federal Republic of Germany" ,which in reality is a American Banana Republic, doesn´t do anymore, because it is more important for them wasting tax payers money for anything but not for germans.
We help the unemployed to fill out the Papers,we help unemployed families with children,we do Neiborhood watch etc.
There are regions in Germany we have more Streetworkers than the state,know why?
Because they have no money(thats what they say),they never have
money for the poor.
We are back,thats for shure.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

@elite_hunter_sh3
White supremacy?
Arian Nation?
Arian Nation in the USA?
Won´t work pal,because the only race which has the right to be called
"Arian" is the Nordic Race like Germans,Swedish etc.
But not you US Guys overthere,which never got the real meaning of
National Socialism.
You are just uneducated retards,which are poison for our political movement.
Sooner or later we get rid of you,like we did with the SA.
I am Nazi and i am proud of it,i am not a Skinhead,i dont want discuss this publicly.Anybody can PM me if he/her wants and i will answer questions if you have them.
Its my religion.
Real National Socialists are like me,iam a honored Member of my Community.I have a very well paid job.
People treat me with respect.Even Members of the Sozial Democratic Party of Germany discuss with me.
We do volunteer jobs for the old and other stuff,we do all that what the so called "Federal Republic of Germany" ,which in reality is a American Banana Republic, doesn´t do anymore, because it is more important for them wasting tax payers money for anything but not for germans.
We help the unemployed to fill out the Papers,we help unemployed families with children,we do Neiborhood watch etc.
There are regions in Germany we have more Streetworkers than the state,know why?
Because they have no money(thats what they say),they never have
money for the poor.
We are back,thats for shure.

umm.. wtf??? :damn::damn:

dude, read what ive been saying earlier, IM NOT A ****ING SUPREMACIST , i am a WHITE NATIONALIST, THERES A DIFFERENCE...

surprisingly enough thats the first time ive outbursted in this area of discussion (ie WN, immigration etc..) i try to be civil and have a good clean debate, but nooo, always has to be someone who bargs in and starts calling me a crazy nazi who wants to massacre alot of people, get ur facts right....:nope:

[kiwi_2005]

@elite_hunter_sh3
White supremacy?
Arian Nation?
Arian Nation in the USA?
Won´t work pal,because the only race which has the right to be called
"Arian" is the Nordic Race like Germans,Swedish etc.
But not you US Guys overthere,which never got the real meaning of
National Socialism.
You are just uneducated retards,which are poison for our political movement.
Sooner or later we get rid of you,like we did with the SA.
I am Nazi and i am proud of it,i am not a Skinhead,i dont want discuss this publicly.Anybody can PM me if he/her wants and i will answer questions if you have them.
Its my religion.
Real National Socialists are like me,iam a honored Member of my Community.I have a very well paid job.
People treat me with respect.Even Members of the Sozial Democratic Party of Germany discuss with me.
We do volunteer jobs for the old and other stuff,we do all that what the so called "Federal Republic of Germany" ,which in reality is a American Banana Republic, doesn´t do anymore, because it is more important for them wasting tax payers money for anything but not for germans.
We help the unemployed to fill out the Papers,we help unemployed families with children,we do Neiborhood watch etc.
There are regions in Germany we have more Streetworkers than the state,know why?
Because they have no money(thats what they say),they never have
money for the poor.
We are back,thats for shure.
You should visit New Zealand so you can tell the idiot skinheads here believe they are doing something good for their brotherhood in Germany. They are a laughing joke here. Im sure your kind do help others, but its when you send out the thugs to beat up blacks, jews, asians and even whites who dont have the same beliefs, because they are what they are thats when you show the world your true colors. You can't gain respect through violence, you say ppl respect you they probably fear you ppl who fear another usually turn against them in the end.

[August]

dude, read what ive been saying earlier, IM NOT A ****ING SUPREMACIST , i am a WHITE NATIONALIST, THERES A DIFFERENCE...

Hey Hunter you lie with dogs you arise with fleas. To my mind there is little difference between you and him.

[elite_hunter_sh3]

theres a difference, you are blind to see it, Suprmacists want to exterminate, kill, massacre, commit GENOCIDE because they believe they are superior to everyone else,

i believe white people should have their own nation rid of "diversity", if the japanese can enfore such strict immigration rules, why cant we??? :shifty: atomatically when white people say that people scream "RACISM RACISM!!"....:roll: but when the japanese make their laws even more strict what happens?? no one complains... and besides look what is happening to the U.S and canada, and look at Japan, they are a prosperous nation, no major problems such as immigration or gangs ( they have yakuza but at least they make money on legit businesss (they were into illegal business years ago but im not sure about now), they dont have illegal immigrants with fake ids mooching off the welfare system and social security system WHILE they dont work and live in areas riddled with crime and hispanic gangs such as MS-13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mara_Salvatrucha) wreak havoc on the LEGAL hard working american citizens

[elite_hunter_sh3]

Hey Hunter you lie with dogs you arise with fleas. To my mind there is little difference between you and him.


and please listen to the moderators and keep it clean, although i was waiting for a comment like that... very civil of you to participate in this debate :up:

[baggygreen]

This is probably on topic, but very loosely...

Anyway, supremacist does not necessarily mean one who wants genocide and so on. It means they believe they are above all others. They might well take it to the extreme of advocating genocide, but so do so many other people for other reasons.

Point is, at least to my eyes, there is little difference between a white supremacist and a white nationalist. To my mind it is simply changing the name to appear more acceptable. What reinforces this is that there is no white 'nation' to be a nationalist of.

Regardless of what i think though, you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else. As im sure you're aware by now, you're very much in the minority on these boards with your point of view, but that doesnt mean you're not entitled to one. Just because you're in the minority doesnt take away your right to be here, expressing views that most of us disagree with.. Can you see a little irony in that?

Dont take it as an attack either, its not meant to be.

Im still wondering what Sky thinks........:yep:

[AdlerGrosmann]

My opinion is that skinheads & white-supremist gangs did not understand the Nazi's. They don't do the real things the Nazi's did..instead they acted like idiots just wanting to be a Nazi. I don't know what's in there mind, but I do know one thing..they have lost it, they do not understand what they are actually believing and listening to. Disgracing their own race and the real Nazi's themself.

[August]

Hey Hunter you lie with dogs you arise with fleas. To my mind there is little difference between you and him.


and please listen to the moderators and keep it clean, although i was waiting for a comment like that... very civil of you to participate in this debate :up:

And what is not clean about my post?

I only speak the truth. White nationalists/supremacists/nazis, call them what you want young feller, they are all the same thing in the eyes of the world.

[August]

They don't do the real things the Nazi's did..instead they acted like idiots just wanting to be a Nazi.

By "real things" you mean like running death camps, torturing and murdering millions of people, conducting medical experiments on children, enslaving entire countries and starting the most horrific war the planet has ever known?

IMO nazis are an evil stain on mans already violent history and should be hunted down and locked away from the world forever.

[Tchocky]

Sounds like a strange alliance but the IRA has been known to send support to the Palestinians so you never know. A lot of Irish Nationalist types try to draw parallels between the perceived Israeli occupation of Palestinian land and the perceived British occupation of Irish land.
It doesn't quite work out, but who expects perfect analogies from drug dealers.
meh

IMO nazis are an evil stain on mans already violent history and should be hunted down and locked away from the world forever. Sounds familiar

[August]

Sounds familiar

Does it? Maybe the millions who fought and gave their lives to rid the world of this scourge the last time were wrong for doing so huh?

[P_Funk]

Sounds familiar
Does it? Maybe the millions who fought and gave their lives to rid the world of this scourge the last time were wrong for doing so huh?
Maybe we just did it to become them?
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=124443

(hopes people will get the point and stop bickering)

[antikristuseke]

Indeed, seems like the age old saying of "You become what you hate" strikes true again, this time on an alarming scale.

[Takeda Shingen]

@elite_hunter_sh3
White supremacy?
Arian Nation?
Arian Nation in the USA?
Won´t work pal,because the only race which has the right to be called
"Arian" is the Nordic Race like Germans,Swedish etc.
But not you US Guys overthere,which never got the real meaning of
National Socialism.
You are just uneducated retards,which are poison for our political movement.
Sooner or later we get rid of you,like we did with the SA.
I am Nazi and i am proud of it,i am not a Skinhead,i dont want discuss this publicly.Anybody can PM me if he/her wants and i will answer questions if you have them.
Its my religion.
Real National Socialists are like me,iam a honored Member of my Community.I have a very well paid job.
People treat me with respect.Even Members of the Sozial Democratic Party of Germany discuss with me.
We do volunteer jobs for the old and other stuff,we do all that what the so called "Federal Republic of Germany" ,which in reality is a American Banana Republic, doesn´t do anymore, because it is more important for them wasting tax payers money for anything but not for germans.
We help the unemployed to fill out the Papers,we help unemployed families with children,we do Neiborhood watch etc.
There are regions in Germany we have more Streetworkers than the state,know why?
Because they have no money(thats what they say),they never have
money for the poor.
We are back,thats for shure.

Preserved for reference.

[Takeda Shingen]

are you saying palestinians are terrorists???? I think he is getting more at the fact that there are palestinian terror networks which the IRA has supported.

Theres no need to instantly get so defensive.. there are bad people in every nation and for example, you dont see the poms getting up in arms any time someone says the july train bombings were caused by homegrown terrorists - because they think for a microsecond and see that yes, its true.

Back onto the topic, I've read that there are more and more neonazis in Germany these days, maybe skybird can let us know a german perspective on it - is it a reaction to the increasing influence of islam throughout Europe?
i will definetly say YES!!!! :up: on the dot.

edit : and more jewish too, now governments are becoming paranoid, if you do the roman salute in germany you go to prison for up to 2 years,
and surprisngly enough more white germans are EMMIGRATING from Germany...:dead::roll:

http://www.teachertube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=77b16a03aa81f09499f2

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[Takeda Shingen]

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