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SUBMAN1
10-31-07, 01:32 PM
The UK's carbon footprint is over 500* million tonnes of CO2 per year. Individuals account for 45% of this. Find out how you can reduce your footprint.

Use the calculator to measure your carbon footprint and find out what practical steps you can take to make it smaller. On a personalised page, you can track your progress, update your carbon-reducing actions and see a Google Map featuring the footprints and actions of everyone taking part. To share ideas, ask advice or find people in your local area to collaborate with, join the UK Carbon Footprint discussion group.
How green can you be?


Find out here - http://www.google.co.uk/carbonfootprint/index.html

-S

waste gate
10-31-07, 01:40 PM
I had to fudge my annual energy bill a bit to bring it in line with the pounds for dollars exchange rate.

4.69 was my score. I have no idea if this is good or bad but that was the number.

There were some suggestions, but I ignored them because I don't tell others how to live and in exchange I won't be told.

ReallyDedPoet
10-31-07, 01:58 PM
Sad part is though, we live in a period\time when folks need to be told or we are
all ( including future generations ) screwed. I have three small kids and think about this now more than ever.


RDP

nikimcbee
10-31-07, 02:04 PM
I had to fudge my annual energy bill a bit to bring it in line with the pounds for dollars exchange rate.

4.69 was my score. I have no idea if this is good or bad but that was the number.

There were some suggestions, but I ignored them because I don't tell others how to live and in exchange I won't be told.

Stuff like this makes me mow my lawn more(with my gas powered mower)! I think I'll go BBQ with extra lighter-fluid:yep:

waste gate
10-31-07, 02:05 PM
Sad part is though, we live in a period\time when folks need to be told or we are
all ( including future generations ) screwed. I have three small kids and think about this now more than ever.


RDP

I believe you, as a parent can tell your children what to do. But you have no autority to tell me. Conjole and make what ever argument you wish but telling me what to do will only be met with...........well, I was born in Missouri and you'll have to show me. Proof, not consencious. That is a higher standard than children will accept. Yes, those who believe in global warming based on consencious are.

STEED
10-31-07, 02:22 PM
Stuff it!!!

I am fed up with my government banging on about this rubbish, what about the looming oil problem?

Kapitan_Phillips
10-31-07, 02:28 PM
Sad part is though, we live in a period\time when folks need to be told or we are
all ( including future generations ) screwed. I have three small kids and think about this now more than ever.


RDP
I believe you, as a parent can tell your children what to do. But you have no autority to tell me. Conjole and make what ever argument you wish but telling me what to do will only be met with...........well, I was born in Missouri and you'll have to show me. Proof, not consencious. That is a higher standard than children will accept. Yes, those who believe in global warming based on consencious are.


I agree with waste gate.



Get a doctor!

;)

ReallyDedPoet
10-31-07, 02:31 PM
Sad part is though, we live in a period\time when folks need to be told or we are
all ( including future generations ) screwed. I have three small kids and think about this now more than ever.


RDP
I believe you, as a parent can tell your children what to do. But you have no autority to tell me. Conjole and make what ever argument you wish but telling me what to do will only be met with...........well, I was born in Missouri and you'll have to show me. Proof, not consencious. That is a higher standard than children will accept. Yes, those who believe in global warming based on consencious are.


I agree with waste gate.



Get a doctor!

;)

Become a parent and come talk to me KP :yep:


RDP

Kapitan_Phillips
10-31-07, 02:39 PM
It seems I overquoted. I was agreeing with his concept that we cant be forced to do something about all that carbon footprint prevention lark.

waste gate
10-31-07, 02:45 PM
Sad part is though, we live in a period\time when folks need to be told or we are
all ( including future generations ) screwed. I have three small kids and think about this now more than ever.


RDP
I believe you, as a parent can tell your children what to do. But you have no autority to tell me. Conjole and make what ever argument you wish but telling me what to do will only be met with...........well, I was born in Missouri and you'll have to show me. Proof, not consencious. That is a higher standard than children will accept. Yes, those who believe in global warming based on consencious are.


I agree with waste gate.



Get a doctor!

;)

Become a parent and come talk to me KP :yep:


RDP

Sounds like Kpt Phillips is allowing you to teach your children whatever you wish. Why not allow him to believe what he wishes. That is the problem, stop trying to bend people toward beliefs which some follow blindly based on how it looks to others, based on consencious. Prius owners for example. Proof, Proof, Proof.

I recall that being the standard required for other topics.

wg

Jimbuna
10-31-07, 03:34 PM
As a parent, I'm also concerned for my childrens futures.
What other people want to believe and do is up to them.

Skybird
10-31-07, 04:07 PM
It's beyond doubt for me that an individual's right for individualism ends where he is being like that at the cost of others or future generations, so if it really would be like politicians today claim, that for example eneryg saving bulbs would be oh so good for our collective future, I am all for forcing individualists even by force if necessary to comply with using them (and I hate the light of such lamps, even if they are labelled "soft warm tone" or something). It's just that oh so many measurements that gets recommended for opportunistic reasons do not convince me to fulfill the holy mission they are said to be capable of. After all it all so often just seems to be the hot water only some politicans plan to set up their next cup of tea with. Bio-fuel, for example - has been found by some most recent analysis in Britain, and from two other european adresses, to be even more harmful to climate than regular fuel, becaseu of the ammount of fertilizers being needed to produce all the biomass from which biofuel should be won. Another issue that leaves me laughing are energy saving bulbs. I have read at least two calculations in print media by now showing that due to the enormously increased complexity of their production, and their higher need for ressources and energy during production, their climate-helping effect by reducing electricity consummation can be argued about, at least.

the trustworthiness of hyperactive political actionism, which alwys is run and motivated by it's own interests to gain power and hold voters for idiots, is so often very questionable.

And those giving us such kindergarten advices, all to often shy away from real confrontation with strong industrial lobbies, or from telling people the truth about what needs to be done: and that is that we need to change our living styles in such far-reaching way that no politician being honest about that would be able to make it through the next election. They lief for their careers - and our futures suffers the damage from that. Or better: our children'S future.

In the end we do not wish to save our future existence, and the planet. We are very much satisfied with just keeping our bad conscience down and silent for the duration of our lifetime. and even many parents having children and thinking their kids make them think about the future - may debate that idea in the kid's presence while chainsmoking a full box of cigarettes, that very much concerned they are.

It's like new year's eve: all good plans and intentions - merely survive just the first week.

But we have talked about it, that is important! Could I have another beer, Joe?

carbon calculator - i do not participate in such nonsens for principle reasons. On TV I saw a green politicians some months ago, a mayor of a southern city, excusing himself for having been come to the studio not on the bike, I think , but by having used a car or the train, I don't remember. He promised that at home he would click on a website where you could pay money to plant trees in the amazonas region, to compensate for your CO2 bilance's flaws during your day. I couldn't even laugh. Hat dieser Blödmann nix Besseres zu tun? The only thing I liked aboiut him that his official car was no Mercdes (he came from the region), but a Toyota, after mercedes told him they were not able to pürovide him witzh a car as ecological as Toyota could build them.

waste gate
10-31-07, 04:14 PM
It's beyond doubt for me that an individual's right for individualism ends where he is being like that at the cost of others or future generations, so if it really would be like politicians today claim, that for example eneryg saving bulbs would be oh so good for our collective future, I am all for forcing individualists even by force if necessary to comply with using them (and I hate the light of such lamps, even if they are labelled "soft warm tone" or something). It's just that oh so many measurements that gets recommended for opportunistic reasons do not convince me to fulfill the holy mission they are said to be capable of. After all it all so often seems to be the hot water only with which some poltiicans plan to set up their next cup of tea with. Bio-fuel, for example - has been found by some most recent analysis in Britain, and from two other european adresses, to be even more harmful to climate than regular fuel, becaseu of the ammount of fertilizers being needed to produce all the biomass from which biofuel should be won. Another issue that leaves me laughing are energy saving bulbs. I have read at least two calculations in print media by now showing that due to the enormously increased complexity of their production, and their higher need for ressources and energy during production, their climate-helping effect by reducing electricity consummation can be argued about, at least.

the trustworthiness of hyperactive political actionism, which alwys is run and motivated by it's own interests to gain power and hold voters for idiots, is so often very questionable.

And those giving us such kindergarten advices, all to often shy away from real confrotnaiton with strong industrial lobbies, or from telling peope the truth about what needs to be done: and that is that we need to change our living styles in such far-reaching ways that no oliticians bei9ng honest abotu that would be able to make it through the next election.

In the end we do not wish to save our future existence, and the planet. We are very much satisfied with just keeping our bad conscience down and silent for the duration of our lifetime. and even many parents having children and thinking their kids make them think about the future - may debate that idea in the kid's presence while chainsmoking a fuoll box os cigarettes, that concerned they are. It's like new year's eve: all good plans and intentions - merely survive just the first week.

But we have talked about it, that is important! Could I have another beer, Joe?

carbon calculator - i do not participate in such nonsens for principle reasons. On TV I saw a green politicians some months ago, a mayor of a southern city, excusing himself for having been come to the studio not on the bike, I think , but by having used a car or the train, I don't remember. He promised that at home he would click on a website where you could pay money to plant trees in the amazonas region, to compensate for your CO2 bilance's flaws during your day. I couldn't even laugh. Hat dieser Blödmann nix Besseres zu tun? The only thing I liked aboiut him that his official car was no Mercdes (he came from the region), but a Toyota, after mercedes told him they were not able to pürovide him witzh a car as ecological as Toyota could build them.


??? What are you trying to say SB?

SUBMAN1
10-31-07, 04:44 PM
I really don't understand you SB - At some points you are so far right, you make the US of A Republicans look like leftists, yet in the same paragraph, you make the Democrats in America look like they are from the far right!!! Which is it already? There is no middle ground in your replies.

-S

waste gate
10-31-07, 04:59 PM
I posted my CO2 number. I, for one would like to see how the rest of the forum is doing. Come on fellas.

Jimbuna
10-31-07, 05:08 PM
Mine was 4.71 tonnes :hmm:

Skybird
10-31-07, 05:14 PM
I really don't understand you SB - At some points you are so far right, you make the US of A Republicans look like leftists, yet in the same paragraph, you make the Democrats in America look like they are from the far right!!! Which is it already? There is no middle ground in your replies.

-S
Left, right, green, red, black - I simply do not think in such categories. I must not wear any colour, and I must not be applauded - I must be right, that is the only point. I must justify the results of my reason and logic only to my conscience, if I shall have peace of mind ever, and I even cannot escape that - since my conscience rules higher than any party, court, god, institution or foreign person in the world. No middle ground in my reply? My reply is "as is", and I do not care if it is middle ground or left or right.

waste gate
10-31-07, 05:22 PM
I really don't understand you SB - At some points you are so far right, you make the US of A Republicans look like leftists, yet in the same paragraph, you make the Democrats in America look like they are from the far right!!! Which is it already? There is no middle ground in your replies.

-S
Left, right, green, red, black - I simply do not think in such categories. I must not wear any colour, and I must not be applauded - I must be right, that is the only point. I must justify the results of my reason and logic only to my conscience, if I shall have peace of mind ever, and I even cannot escape that - since my conscience rules higher than any party, court, god, institution or foreign person in the world. No middle ground in my reply? My reply is "as is", and I do not care if it is middle ground or left or right.

I always assumed that all opinions were based upon your philosiphy.

I must be right, that is the only point. I must justify the results of my reason and logic only to my conscience, if I shall have peace of mind ever, and I even cannot escape that

Yet, you haven't told any of us where you stand based on that philosiphy, or your CO2 number. And you ride the fence on many other topics. I'm very frustrated on many of your posts, and I'm not the only one. Perhaps that passes as 'something' in europe but not where I live.

TteFAboB
10-31-07, 05:33 PM
3.83

That's quite a pessimistic calculator.

waste gate
10-31-07, 05:35 PM
3.83

That's quite a pessimistic calculator.

Best number so far TteFAboB :up:

waste gate
10-31-07, 05:38 PM
Mine was 4.71 tonnes :hmm:

How dare you use so much energy. :DBastard:D

Kapitan_Phillips
10-31-07, 05:41 PM
5.12 here. How does that work, a mid terrace house with two bedrooms and insulation :hmm:

(At my sisters place)

waste gate
10-31-07, 05:45 PM
5.12 here. How does that work, a mid terrace house with two bedrooms and insulation :hmm:

(At my sisters place)
It could be a rigged test. Not that suprising!, but if we are all taking the same rigged test it should give a snapshot of how 'green' Subsim GT members are.

bradclark1
10-31-07, 08:19 PM
With just my house I'm 0.24.
Add my 3.7 Ltr Grand Cherokee and 14,000 miles and I'm 6.89. If I owned another car for when I didn't need the Cherokee I could probably half that but a second vehicle isn't in the books.

ReallyDedPoet
11-01-07, 07:05 AM
Proof, Proof, Proof.

wg

Problem is WG, it's not about the truth, proof or facts anymore, it's all about the spin.
You do what you need to do, I'll do the same and we will leave it at that.


RDP

Jimbuna
11-01-07, 08:27 AM
Mine was 4.71 tonnes :hmm:

How dare you use so much energy. :DBastard:D

It's not me Mr....honest. It's the wife and kids. I'm a good green boy I am :oops:

;)

micky1up
11-02-07, 04:58 AM
The UK's carbon footprint is over 500* million tonnes of CO2 per year. Individuals account for 45% of this. Find out how you can reduce your footprint.

Use the calculator to measure your carbon footprint and find out what practical steps you can take to make it smaller. On a personalised page, you can track your progress, update your carbon-reducing actions and see a Google Map featuring the footprints and actions of everyone taking part. To share ideas, ask advice or find people in your local area to collaborate with, join the UK Carbon Footprint discussion group.
How green can you be?


Find out here - http://www.google.co.uk/carbonfootprint/index.html

-S

i dont give a hoot what mine is im in one of the most taxed nations on the planet i work hard for my money i want to drive my car have my computer and heating on just becasue some baffon wanting a grant makes up that humans are causing golbal warming these are the same scientists that said that 21 units of alchol is the safe limit for a male to drink per week when its just been prooven that its more like 63 units is safe

Tchocky
11-02-07, 09:35 AM
3.01