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von hally
10-30-07, 01:26 PM
lo all
was just reading an old wwII submarine book whilst crossing the vast ocean at *1060*....in it, theres a passage that reads..." the boat wasnt a week out when it had success.....sinking a fishing boat/trawler"...is it fair to attack even fishing vessels and trawlers? they obviously arent carrying cargo or troops...or is tonnage the most important thing? seems a bit outwith the conduct of war?
Rykaird
10-30-07, 01:46 PM
Trawlers and fishing boats are why Uncle Karl gave us flak guns.
You don't honestly use those things against planes, do you?
von hally
10-30-07, 01:50 PM
yea good point mate....targets are targets...hope mr Donitz appreciates the rotten feeling and uneasy concience i'll be experiencing tonight lying on my captains bed...after the two fishing boats i just sent to the bottomo the birne didnt stand a chance:up:
There are two types of ships:
SUBMARINES and TARGETS
:yep:
Rykaird
10-30-07, 02:15 PM
Wast of ammo. :nope:
What else are you going to do with it?
Wast of ammo. :nope:
What else are you going to do with it?
Take on a plane that jumps on you and you no time to crash dive.
headcase
10-30-07, 03:02 PM
Think about how many soldiers a fising boat or a trawler can feed in a year. Now do you have a problem throwing 20mm at 'em? We are at war.
xristoskaiti
10-30-07, 03:12 PM
in the trial of Nuremberg only 1 skipper U-BOOT was condemned for
crime of war. the Germans made a clean naval war:sunny:
in the trial of Nuremberg only 1 skipper U-BOOT was condemned for
crime of war. the Germans made a clean naval war:sunny:
Is that the one they based that scene in U-571 on? (Blowing the survivors away with the flak)
Dekessey
10-30-07, 03:19 PM
Think about how many soldiers a fising boat or a trawler can feed in a year. Now do you have a problem throwing 20mm at 'em? We are at war.
Hehe, good argument.
in the trial of Nuremberg only 1 skipper U-BOOT was condemned for
crime of war. the Germans made a clean naval war:sunny:
Is that the one they based that scene in U-571 on? (Blowing the survivors away with the flak)
you can read more about it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz-Wilhelm_Eck
Ping Panther
10-30-07, 03:42 PM
I am reading "Unrestricted Warfare", and it discusses U.S. Submariners attacking fishing boats along the coasts in the Pacific. It was considered an alternate target when no other was available, and it was rationalized that it depleted the local enemy of food resources.
Jimbuna
10-30-07, 05:04 PM
Soft easy targets that can't fight back.....I prefer to fight planes with them. http://imgcash5.imageshack.us/img265/250/shootingsmilie2ik0.gif
GoldenRivet
10-30-07, 11:52 PM
There are two ways of looking at it.
1. it depleats the local enemy of a food source
2. its a waste of ammo
Personally, i dont attack civilian fishing vessels and yachts.
for starters submariners considered it bad luck to attack a boat that was rigged with a sail, and two... if they are able to radio in my position before i sink them the target wasnt worth the hassel of being located by an HK group or planes etc.
Torplexed
10-31-07, 12:17 AM
I am reading "Unrestricted Warfare", and it discusses U.S. Submariners attacking fishing boats along the coasts in the Pacific. It was considered an alternate target when no other was available, and it was rationalized that it depleted the local enemy of food resources.
According to Clay Blair's Silent Victory, Admiral Christie in Fremantle got fed up with it and issued a policy change. He wrote, "The destruction of a small sailing vessel is regretted. We are not at war with inhabitants of the Netherland East Indies and Philippine Islands. The destruction of their craft does the enemy little or no harm and is forbidden."
On the other hand this was the same guy who defended the defective magnetic detonators on USN torpedoes. ;)
Lzs von swe
10-31-07, 05:16 AM
If you are in the 30th flot. you should sink any and all Russian ships. They used whatever ship, boat, vessel they found to ferry troops and supply's with.
The C/38 Zwilling is perfect for shooting fishing boats and the like to pieces, and planes:yep:
Jimbuna
10-31-07, 07:44 AM
Personally, i dont attack civilian fishing vessels and yachts.
Pretty pointless anyway.....they just respawn as soon as ypu sail on :p
Pretty pointless anyway.....they just respawn as soon as ypu sail on :p
Telling me, I remember sinking the HOOD and on my next patrol I came across her again. :lol:
I only target big stuff and leave the little stuff alone.
The British used trawlers and the like to ferry secret agents and resistance members to Norway, the so called Shetland Express or Shetland Bus. So whenever im in the North Sea and spot a fishingboat etc I sink it (by either flak or ramming) ;)
Wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shetland_bus
Ping Panther
10-31-07, 10:27 AM
So, do local fishing boats/trawlers actually call-in their sub sightings in SH3? And if they do simulate calls on your position, does this then have the big guys come running for your location? :hmm:
Jimbuna
10-31-07, 10:48 AM
If your an enemy....yes, there is a chance assistance will be called upon.
The level of response is down to factors such as the closeness of any surface vessels and the distance to the nearest airbase.
seafarer
10-31-07, 11:26 AM
I don't know any numbers from WWII, but german u-boats supposedly sank 675 British trawlers between 1914 and 1918, killing 434 fisherman in the process (almost all sunk by gunfire, but at least one by ramming).
A fishing trawler was even used as bait by HM submarine C24 to lure U-40 into torpedo range in 1915 (the tactic was to tow the British sub with the trawler, and lure the U-boat into a quick torpedo kill).
Anyone know any actual figures for attacks/losses of fishing boats in UK waters during WWII?
PapaG39
10-31-07, 11:59 AM
hmmm, I have passed up each and every fishing boat or trawler that I came across.
In the IIA/D sub you only have the puny pop gun which is next to worthless. Usually the weather is stinko so I couldn't get a crew on the gun anyway.
Now with the VIIB boat I do have a gun, but the ones I saw along the coast of Norway were in a high wave condition so I couldn't gun em anyway.
My Uncle Ray Thomason was a fisherman out of Petesberg, Alaska "The Shirley" and I knew to many fisherman....Be really hard for me to sink a fishing boat...Even in "just-a-game".
Don't bother with them, Regardless of what Doenitz says.
The German fighting men won a reputation in WWI ,and to an extent WWII, of not only being very efficiant and deadly soldiers. But also to be rather gentlemanly, Trawlers and fishing boats are of no military value and their meagre tonnage are not worth the stain on your honour.
Plus for practical reasons it's a waste of ammo, And wasting time, fuel, chasing and sinking them instead of searching for proper targets as well as having as much ammunition available to sink them. And last but certainly not least, why have a boat spot you and call you in for 50 tons worth of shipping. That's a lousy deal.
Bismarck
10-31-07, 01:36 PM
Only with star shells. Once a destroyer appeared behind a trawler and i had flee. I had no eels. :(
GreyBeard
10-31-07, 02:46 PM
For me it's just a freakin' game. If it floats and doesn't fly my flag it's going to the bottom, unless it's a neutral or I'm out of ammo. :lol:
For me it's just a freakin' game. If it floats and doesn't fly my flag it's going to the bottom, unless it's a neutral or I'm out of ammo. :lol:
Screw neutrals I sunk three American Tankers today July41.
I was awarded the Iron Cross First Class for it. :D
Jimbuna
10-31-07, 04:09 PM
For me it's just a freakin' game. If it floats and doesn't fly my flag it's going to the bottom, unless it's a neutral or I'm out of ammo. :lol:
Screw neutrals I sunk three American Tankers today July41.
I was awarded the Iron Cross First Class for it. :D
You sure your not from Viking Ancestry :lol:
Bismarck
11-01-07, 12:20 PM
For me it's just a freakin' game. If it floats and doesn't fly my flag it's going to the bottom, unless it's a neutral or I'm out of ammo. :lol:
Screw neutrals I sunk three American Tankers today July41.
I was awarded the Iron Cross First Class for it. :D
You sure your not from Viking Ancestry :lol:
Launch the latest norwegian sub!!
http://www.stratics.com/content/previews/images/longboat.jpg
Who needs a VIIC?
NiclDoe
11-01-07, 12:25 PM
I use flak guns for these people! http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/images/avatars/4771885724701ed97b4244.gif
For me it's just a freakin' game. If it floats and doesn't fly my flag it's going to the bottom, unless it's a neutral or I'm out of ammo. :lol:
Screw neutrals I sunk three American Tankers today July41.
I was awarded the Iron Cross First Class for it. :D
You sure your not from Viking Ancestry :lol:
Never looked in to my history just as well. :lol:
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