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Don't vote ever again folks of England, if you do, your only voting for pigs in the money troff who don't give a sh*t about you and I at all. They are all blood suckers who will drain this country dry they should all be locked up for life breaking rocks for there crime against the voters of this country.
Democracy is dead in the UK.
As a side note I hear on the radio prisoners released early have now committed 16,000 crimes in this country, Labour tough on crime!!! What a dirty lie.
The Great Commons Gravy Train - MPs pick up £200,000 for 34 weeks a year
MPs are costing taxpayers £87 million a year in expenses alone, it was revealed last night.
The 646 members claimed an average of £136,000 each last year, with the highest payouts going to three ministers.
With salaries of £60,277, even backbench MPs are now pocketing almost £200,000 a year each. Critics said last night they should be 'ashamed of themselves' for being such a drain on the taxpayer.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=489791&in_page_id=1770 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=489791&in_page_id=1770)
Marginal MPs prove the biggest spenders in review of expenses
Three Labour ministers and MPs in marginal seats claimed the highest amounts in expenses last year. MPs’ claims rose by almost 5 per cent.
The average rose to £135,850 for the year to April, up from £128,280, with the total bill running to £87.6 million. The cost of running a second home, including food, utilities and cleaning, rose by £1,100, while average stationery bills rose from £4,612 to £5,024.
The figures released by Parliament revealed sharp discrepancies in the sums that different MPs charge for travel, London homes, office costs, computers and stationery.
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2740546.ece
Have you considered that the expenses might be justified? If my job required me to travel all over the country (or internationally), live away from home for large portions of the year or employ my own staff, of course I'd claim the expenses back.
Your rant appears to be based on the assumption that all this extra money goes into MPs' pockets. I'm prepared to accept that some of them might be on the fiddle, but that doesn't mean they all are.
Oh, and did you ever believe that Labour would be tough on crime? I certainly didn't, which is why I've never voted for them.
and these are the same high minded moral types who have instituted the restriction of life saving/extending drugs for cancer sufferers via the N.I.C.E program and are also restricting health care for obese people on the basis that it isn't "cost effective"
with the very clear inference and "public spin conceptuality" that obese folks somehow are less deserving of full and free health care than "other folks" on the basis that they are "greedy" and other such base and dark and really rather dangerous concepts
60 grand a year base salary is over 1000 quid a week (before tax etc)
if you can't live on that there's something wrong some where..and whose fault might that be?? theirs of course seeing as they are running the country (supposedly)
perhaps what they really need RTFLMAO...is a decent UNION!!! double RTFLMAO...sod 'em
Have you considered that the expenses might be justified?
Yea right £50 for a pencil (Sarcastic)
Your rant appears to be based on the assumption that all this extra money goes into MPs' pockets. I'm prepared to accept that some of them might be on the fiddle, but that doesn't mean they all are.
There all on the take and they don't give a sh*t I should know with the letters I sent them.
Oh, and did you ever believe that Labour would be tough on crime? I certainly didn't, which is why I've never voted for them.
Never voted Labour in my life. :smug:
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/ (http://www.theyworkforyou.com/)
60 grand a year base salary is over 1000 quid a week (before tax etc)
if you can't live on that there's something wrong some where..and whose fault might that be?? theirs of course seeing as they are running the country (supposedly)
Those pigs give themselves a pay rise above inflation and sod the rest of us.
Well said CB:up:
Tchocky
10-26-07, 08:22 AM
Have you considered that the expenses might be justified?
Yea right £50 for a pencil (Sarcastic) So, in answer to Prof's question, you haven't considered this possibility.
How about maintaining two houses, one in a constituency, one in London?
How about travel between them?
They are just off the top of my head. I imagine it's easier to spend money when it goes under "expenses", but gosh-freakin-darnit MP's have expenses.
How about maintaining two houses, one in a constituency, one in London?
How about travel between them?
They are just off the top of my head. I imagine it's easier to spend money when it goes under "expenses", but gosh-freakin-darnit MP's have expenses.
well of course they have expenses...every body does..
try this out for the house problem ..which is a very real one without a doubt given house prices in and around London...agreed..
the armed forces and the police provide accomadation for those who need housing these accomodations are notoriously diabolical
given the value of the service these professionals provide..yes?
so do a similar job for MP's...provide MPs with free or subsidised accomodation in London...i have no problem with that the issue is a very real one..
but you can bet your life that if they did do this ..the accomodation would be far superior to that provided to a member of the armed services..
that's the rub..why and indeed how should an MP get preferential treatment on the basis of their profession?
are they Lords and the rest of use mere serfs?
if so i thought they were trying to get rid of reduce the influence/power of the House of Lords for this precise reasoning
it's just politics and that's their job...why should they themselves be the only ones in the country exempt from their own decisions?
Captain Nemo
10-26-07, 08:48 AM
Have you just realised this about our esteemed Members of Parliament Steed?
One of their biggest expenses claims is for an MP's secretary. I don't know the exact figures, but they get around £25,000 pa to hire a secretary. A lot of wise MP's of course hire their spouses!
Nemo
Well yes but this has taken the cake.
This proves they don't care and what will the cost to the tax payer next year. Greed power and corruption go hand in hand with a nice sum of big money.
Captain Nemo
10-26-07, 08:58 AM
This proves they don't care and what will the cost to the tax payer next year. Greed power and corruption go hand in hand with a nice sum of big money.
And a fabulous pension to top it all.
Nemo
Tchocky
10-26-07, 09:00 AM
well of course they have expenses...every body does.. Don't be silly.
They are all blood suckers who will drain this country dry they should all be locked up for life breaking rocks for there crime against the voters of this country.
the armed forces and the police provide accomadation for those who need housing these accomodations are notoriously diabolical
given the value of the service these professionals provide..yes?
so do a similar job for MP's...provide MPs with free or subsidised accomodation in London...i have no problem with that the issue is a very real one..
but you can bet your life that if they did do this ..the accomodation would be far superior to that provided to a member of the armed services.. Not a bad idea there, but it would still be a cost to the public, just moving the cost from individual MP expense accounts to a Parliamentary Housing Committee or somesuch. Could work out cheaper though.
that's the rub..why and indeed how should an MP get preferential treatment on the basis of their profession? To take your example of a soldier/policeman. It's relatively cheap to train up a new soldier to replace a retired one. And there are hundreds of thousands of soldiers.
It costs quite a bit to run an election, even a by-election, and there are only 640 MP's. The renumeration to each is a reflection of their respective worth to the country.
That sounds harsh, but in terms of legislation passed and written, a single MP is worth more to the country than a single soldier.
if so i thought they were trying to get rid of reduce the influence/power of the House of Lords for this precise reasoning
it's just politics and that's their job...why should they themselves be the only ones in the country exempt from their own decisions? Public reason - House Of Lords is undemocratic and anachronistic
Real reason - It's full of Tories
:p
To take your example of a soldier/policeman. It's relatively cheap to train up a new soldier to replace a retired one. And there are hundreds of thousands of soldiers.
It costs quite a bit to run an election, even a by-election, and there are only 640 MP's. The renumeration to each is a reflection of their respective worth to the country.
That sounds harsh, but in terms of legislation passed and written, a single MP is worth more to the country than a single soldier.
that is a question issue and debate that runs to the very heart of democratic politics..one man one vote etc etc
the reality may well be different of course...but if the Politicians them selves are not prepared to live under the auspices of a democratic system why the hell should any-body else...lol.....funny old world...i am being silly i know lol...but that IS the point :know:
And a fabulous pension to top it all.
Nemo
Are don't forget they must serve two terms granted there can be a big gap between there first and second. As you say once they been reelected what a nice fat pension they get, I forget now is it £60,000 a year?
Captain Nemo
10-26-07, 10:18 AM
Are don't forget they must serve two terms granted there can be a big gap between there first and second. As you say once they been reelected what a nice fat pension they get, I forget now is it £60,000 a year?
Not sure of the actual figures, but you can guarantee it will be a darn sight more than most people get.
Nemo
After a little math it seams quite reasonable to me. Especially when compared to
figures from other countries.
Looks to me like the Daily mail et all.'s efforts to incite indignation and contempt from
the uninformed masses once again.
:shifty:
micky1up
10-26-07, 12:12 PM
Have you considered that the expenses might be justified? If my job required me to travel all over the country (or internationally), live away from home for large portions of the year or employ my own staff, of course I'd claim the expenses back.
Your rant appears to be based on the assumption that all this extra money goes into MPs' pockets. I'm prepared to accept that some of them might be on the fiddle, but that doesn't mean they all are.
Oh, and did you ever believe that Labour would be tough on crime? I certainly didn't, which is why I've never voted for them.
these expenses are not justified one bit
Looks to me like the Daily mail et all.'s efforts to incite indignation and contempt from
the uninformed masses once again.
can the DM be blamed for echoeing the level of debate we see directly from the house of commons it self? via occasions such as PM's question time etc?
it beggars belief to have to state that the intellectual level and depth of argument given in a DM article no matter how biased (either way..there are other newspapers with other biases) is actualy given with greater depth than that on public display from the Politicians them selves..ie what the politicians accuse each other of in 20 words..the newspaper at least stretch out to a column or two ..one wonders what might occur if the politicians were given a new accord to rule their debates...in that they remain speaking for no less than 5 minutes before interruption is allowed
with the caveat as a balance ..that if they cannot speak about the subject for the full 5 minutes they shall not be allowed the opportunity to speak in the first place...
why?
because if they cannot speak for that length of time on a subject of professional interest then they should be sacked immediately anyway....and again the caveat that if the opposition cannot remain silent for that length of time and listen then they haven't truly considered what was being said in any manner other than to claim indifference or contempt for what was being said..this goes either way...
we do expect our politicians to have thought about their political decisions...and if they have thought about them then they must be able to string a half decent sentence or two about why and how those decisions were arrived at..(without resorting to the assistance of spin doctors)
this myth that any one party is better than another with no middle ground is mere propoganda propogated (ahem) in order to elicit said emotional response from the public...other wise no one would have any reason to vote one way or another...
sadly this cr*p is what passes for politics ..us and them either or...black white "for or against" and it is wholy useless in the real world..in fact it is worse than useless ..it's an insult and should be treated with the contempt it deserve no matter where it eminates from..before we end up voting for our government on some insane version of "big brother" or the "X-Factor"
what i mean here is that it is what happens in the House of Commons itself that sets the tome to be repeated by the rest of the media..and sadly slowly over time the reverse has also become true...creating a whirlpool of meaningless soap opera nonsense where there should be genuine intelligent debate..whew what a scorcher...
Jimbuna
10-27-07, 01:48 PM
Politics.....Often such an entertaining word :damn:
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I might be off base here but the presence of the letter "u" in Labor was a pretty blatent tip off... :yep:
I might be off base here but the presence of the letter "u" in Labor was a pretty blatent tip off... :yep:
American settlers took words across the Atlantic, but not the correct spelling of them.
Perhaps there wasn't room. ;)
Tchocky
10-27-07, 10:36 PM
Reality - 9 of the top ten have constituencies in Scotland, and similiarly far-away-from-London places.
Sorry, English language.
bigboywooly
10-27-07, 11:08 PM
Reality - 9 of the top ten have constituencies in Scotland, and similiarly far-away-from-London places.
Sorry, English language.
Ummm dont Scottish constituencies come under the Scottish parliament now
:hmm:
No
They have their own parliament up there YET still attend the one in London
So whats the point of the Scottish parliament ?
Reality - 9 of the top ten have constituencies in Scotland, and similiarly far-away-from-London places.
Sorry, English language.
Ummm dont Scottish constituencies come under the Scottish parliament now
No
They have their own parliament up there YET still attend the one in London
Thats because decisions that are made in London effect Scotland.
So whats the point of the Scottish parliament ?
.....to legislate Scottish law?
Jimbuna
10-28-07, 05:34 AM
In the words of Mr Wallace...FREEDOM!! ;)
micky1up
10-28-07, 08:45 AM
except his words were not about freedom as we see it but not paying taxes man get you history right and dont believe the ramblings of autrailian directors
Jimbuna
10-28-07, 09:10 AM
Yer right......been watchin too many of his anti Brit films of late http://imgcash5.imageshack.us/img144/4221/jumpad9.gif
bigboywooly
10-28-07, 10:11 AM
Duplication of resources
If motions affecting Scotland still need to be made in London then no need for the Scottish Parliament
Typical waste of OUR money
Duplication of resources
If motions affecting Scotland still need to be made in London then no need for the Scottish Parliament
Typical waste of OUR money
Thats a little like saying that if decisions that effect Swindon still need to be made in London then no need for the Swindon District Council.
bigboywooly
10-28-07, 12:07 PM
There isnt
lol
But moving along
The Scottish still have local councils\authorities too
The Scottish parliament hasnt done away with them
Just added an extra tier of bureaucracy
No wonder 9 out of the top 10 expence artists are Scottish
All that travelling between the UK and Scottish parliament
I wonder if that means they have to have 3 homes :hmm:
There isnt
lol
....there is....
Swindon Council (http://www.swindon.gov.uk/)
Tchocky
10-28-07, 12:25 PM
No wonder 9 out of the top 10 expence artists are Scottish
All that travelling between the UK and Scottish parliament
Even if there was no Scottish parliament, these guys would still have to travel between.
What you're saying is that they are in the top bracket because they have the highest requirements.
bigboywooly
10-28-07, 01:34 PM
There isnt
lol
....there is....
Swindon Council (http://www.swindon.gov.uk/)
:rotfl:
No I meant there isnt a need for it
Yes of course there is a Swindon Council
Bane of my life
bigboywooly
10-28-07, 01:38 PM
No wonder 9 out of the top 10 expence artists are Scottish
All that travelling between the UK and Scottish parliament
Even if there was no Scottish parliament, these guys would still have to travel between.
What you're saying is that they are in the top bracket because they have the highest requirements.
Either that or they are travelling between both parliaments during the week when the English Mps spend the week in London so the expences are higher
Again why the need for both houses :arrgh!:
If the scots ( and the Welsh\N Irish ) want their own assemblies then they should be using them wholesale
Devolution :hmm:
Torplexed
10-28-07, 01:42 PM
Just for fun, I clicked on that Swindon Borough link. Then clicked the link regarding purchasing private property.
"Due to a lack of resources, Swindon Borough Council is currently unable to consider voluntary acquisition of private property."
Then why the hell have a link to it at all? :lol: Rather telling.
bigboywooly
10-28-07, 01:55 PM
That will be an excuse for another massive council tax hike
Jimbuna
10-28-07, 03:35 PM
That will be an excuse for another massive council tax hike
....and yet another below inflation wage rise offer next year no doubt :nope:
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